In Iowa last night, Tucker gave a ringing endorsement of Trump for 2024: “Maybe this person isn’t fully sincere, maybe this person is even borderline repulsive. But please, you know, compared to what?”
The leading member of conservative media in the United States is endorsing for president a man who tried to overthrow the US government. Think about that.
No indictments, etc. ... does not mean nor does it even indicate that Trump is innocent. Presumption of innocence is not a legal determination ... our system renders a determination of guilty or not-guilty and not-guilty is not the same as innocent.
'Same end result' (no conviction) is not what you claimed. You claimed:
Greg @1.1 ☞ No indictments or convictions indicates innocence.
So if Trump is not indicted or is indicted but not convicted the results would be the same (no punishment) but that does not in any way imply that Trump is innocent.
Real simple, all sorts of criminals get away with their crimes either because they were not caught or no charges were filed or they were found not-guilty, a hung-jury, a mistrial, etc. Not being found guilty does not mean they are innocent nor does it imply they are innocent.
Why do you attempt to argue against such a basic concept?
If Trump is not indicted, the partisan R's will (obtusely) claim that this means he is innocent. They will be wrong. His guilt will simply be legally undetermined.
So the Clintons are guilty of all the crimes people say the are guilty of even though they have never been convicted or even indicated.
It is nice to finally see a liberal admit that they think that just because they accuse someone that that person is automatically guilty. You won't mind if I reject your "system of justice. "
You are dead wrong so now you try to move the goalposts.
Answering your 'move the goalpost' deflection: evidence of a crime requires that a crime be charged. When (if) Trump is charged of a crime (I will wait for the DoJ to do that) we can then discuss which of the mountains of extant evidence supports the charge.
I predict you will nuh'uh reject every item of evidence.
Given you do not understand the basics of legal guilt.
I understand. I also understand that the liberal idea of guilt or innocence is if you are conservative and they say you are guilty you are guilty even without a shred of evidence or the amount of evidence that proves you are not. They also think that uf a liberal is accused they are not guilty despite the amount of evidence that shows their guilt.
You either do not understand or are pretending to not understand. Either way you are dead wrong.
I also understand that the liberal idea of guilt or innocence is if you are conservative and they say you are guilty you are guilty even without a shred of evidence or the amount of evidence that proves you are not.
Are you truly unable to see that partisans find guilt on 'the other side' based on a whiff while defending 'their side' against overwhelming evidence? You do not see this??
They also think that uf a liberal is accused they are not guilty despite the amount of evidence that shows their guilt.
This is not a liberal or a conservative phenomenon but rather a group-think / cultish / partisan phenomenon. Look around, for example, at all the Trump supporters denying every bit of evidence against him. It is pathetic. Hell this thread begins with Greg claiming that the lack of an indictment implies Trump is innocent of wrongdoing in his Big Lie campaign.
so you are proud of Trump, and his BIG LIE, that a prominent respected groupmof conservatives, after a thorough investigation, determined Trumpm LIED and LOST,then continued to push and promote his LIE, causing some to Die, but, there is nothing to be ashamed about when your leader tries to overthrow US, and steal an election, now is there ?
I guess that is why those that rioted for weeks and looted and burned businesses across the country and took over while sections of towns when Hillary lost and during the BLM riots had their charges dismissed while conservatives who protested for less than one day, looted no businesses and committed no acts of arson are hunted down using any and all technology and getting the book thrown at them.
You seem to be ok with people attempting to burn and loot several cities for several days to get the 2016 election overturned or to have a BLM spokesman state the aim of his group to destroy the country.
The only person to die on Jan 6 was an unarmed white woman shot and killed by a black officer who was not charged with a crime. (BTW the were no protest before ir after the determination that no charges were to be filed)
THere were , i believe, 4 officers that died ffrom injuries most likely suffered that day by the hands of ignorant Trump supporters, stupidity hoarders, armed and directed to go 'save their country' by Don the CON as he obviously has no borders to cross, that are too far or over a line, as he thinks, he is divine
all while setting the divide deeper between the everyday citizen, all, just to benefit scumbag him
You seem to be ok with people attempting to burn and loot several cities for several days to get the 2016 election overturned or to have a BLM spokesman state the aim of his group to destroy the country.
That is bullshit.
Reactionaries (the so-called "conservatives") spew whatever fraudulent and defamatory statements they want, when they are the ones who hate America and want to destroy the American way of life. That is a provable fact.
It was Obama that claimed he wanted to fundementally change the country. Was Obama a conservative?
destroy the American way of life.
Hm conservatives want to preserve life, they want to keep the morals that kept this country going. The want people to be responsible for themselves and their own actions, they want to keep America strong and number one in the world they want it to be " the shining city on the hill". They believe in strong individualism
Liberals on the other hand think every one is owed a living. That morals are passed and no longer relavent. They think that some human beings (those not born yet) do not have a right to life.
Reactionaries want America to be more like Russia, an autocratic neo-fascist state
Liberals on the other hand think every one is owed a living. That morals are passed and no longer relavent. They think that some human beings (those not born yet) do not have a right to life.
More fraudulent reactionary propaganda.
Forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth is an example of reactionary morality.
Well I am proud that he nominated three excellent Justices to the Supreme Court, I am proud that he kept taxes low. I am proud that he presided through one of the best times for employment ( Biden is only benefiting from the replacement of those jobs list because of the pandemic). I am proud that he started construction of the border wall. I am proud that he lowered the numbers of illegals trying to enter the country. I am proud that he was beginning to deport those that were already told to leave. I am proud that he moved our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem I am proud that he cut off funds to the Palestinians. I am proud that he made us energy independent and a net exporter of energy. I am proud that he encouraged the production of the COVID vaccine at " warp speed".
There is a hell of a lot more to be proud of Trump for that there is or will be from biden
You must be very proud to support a traitor who plotted a violent coup to overthrow the government.
I have never in my life supported Hillary Clinton and I never will.
Trump's appointees to the Supreme Court are the exact opposite of "excellent".
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In any case, while I can neither say anything negative or positive about Biden's SCOTUS pick, judge by his other decisions over the last two plus years I don't have much hope she will be any good.
plotted a violent coup to overthrow the government.
Who did that and when did they do it? When were they charged and convicted of treason?
Don't give me any bullshit from the jan6 committee. They are nothing but a bunch of hand pick pelosi hack that have as much in common with the truth, facts, fairness and justice as a Mexican drug carrel has with pure pharmaceuticals
On the first anniversary of Jan. 6 attack, government leaders said more than 700 people have been criminally charged in connection to the day.
During a recent speech, U.S. Attorney General Merrick B. Garland laid out some of the information regarding the alleged perpetrators of the Capitol riots. He also discussed the variety of ways in which the government is looking to find those who took part in the day’s events.
Perpetrators punched dozens of law enforcement officers, knocking some officers unconscious.
Some perpetrators tackled and dragged law enforcement officers. Among the many examples of such violence: One officer was crushed in a door. Another was dragged down a set of stairs, face down, repeatedly tased and beaten, and suffered a heart attack.
Some perpetrators attacked law enforcement officers with chemical agents that burned their eyes and skin.
And some assaulted officers with pipes, poles, and other dangerous or deadly weapons.
Perpetrators also targeted, assaulted, tackled and harassed journalists and destroyed their equipment.
To date, there have been more than 725 defendants charged in connection to the day, Garland said.
The U.S. Department of Justice has also issued more than 5,000 subpoenas and search warrants, seized 2,00 devices and gone through 20,000 hours of video footage.
Citizens have also provided more than 30,000 tips about people connected to the riot.
In Garland’s speech, he also emphatically added that “those involved must be held accountable, and there is no higher priority for us at the Department of Justice.”
“In charging the perpetrators, we have followed well-worn prosecutorial practices. Those who assaulted officers or damaged the Capitol face greater charges,” Garland said, according to his prepared remarks.
They are nothing but a bunch of hand pick pelosi hack that have as much in common with the truth, facts, fairness and justice as a Mexican drug carrel has with pure pharmaceuticals
That is willful ignorance. Almost every witness was a high-ranking Republican official connected to Trump. Every one of them risked their careers to testify. You willfully dismiss all these testimonies simply because the committee is D-biased?
Do you actually (inexplicably) believe all these witnesses are lying??
So for yo it is ok that business were stolen from businesses were destroyed by arson and other means, that government office were attacked and were attempted to be burned by protesters while occupied, that rocks, bottles and other debris was thrown at LEOS, that officers were blinded by having lasers shined into their eyes. Do you think that it was right and fair that those that perpetrated those crimes were allowed to to go free without charges.even if they were caught in the act? Why weren't others that engaged in the riots id'd using facial recognition programs and chased down across the country to be prosecuted?
I can claim the same exact thing about democrats with proof. All you need to look at is the fuck up in the White House today and the policies that are damaging this country that will take a long time to recover from.
Well I am proud that he nominated three excellent Justices to the Supreme Court,
Delusional.
I am proud that he kept taxes low.
Adding 6.7 TRILLION to the deficit.
I am proud that he presided through one of the best times for employment ( Biden is only benefiting from the replacement of those jobs list because of the pandemic).
Bullshit.
I am proud that he started construction of the border wall.
By misappropriating the military budget at the detriment of those who defend us and their families.
I am proud that he lowered the numbers of illegals trying to enter the country.
By separating families, some of whom will never be reunited.
I am proud that he was beginning to deport those that were already told to leave.
More delusion.
I am proud that he moved our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem
Shinny obviously impress you.
I am proud that he cut off funds to the Palestinians.
Cruelty is nothing to be proud of.
I am proud that he made us energy independent and a net exporter of energy.
More delusion.
I am proud that he encouraged the production of the COVID vaccine at " warp speed".
Wow, pride for doing the LEAST he could do.
There is a hell of a lot more to be proud of Trump for that there is or will be from biden
All of that pride in Trump is built on a 2-legged stool.
Do you think that it was right and fair that those that perpetrated those crimes were allowed to to go free without charges.even if they were caught in the act?
Stupidity won out in the Republican Party in the spring and summer of 2016.
And who won the election in 2016. If the Republicans were so stupid in in the summer , how stupid were the Democrats that the Republicans beat them in November?
As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
I agree. In addition, I suspect the reason for this phenomenon is the continued support by R voters for Trump. The politicians are very likely thinking that they will lose if they do not go along with Trump. In result, people shy away from challenging Trump because he is seen as the defacto leader.
In short, the problem is first with Trump supporters and then next with the politicians who rely (in part) on these voters for reelection.
Yeah, he’s no better. On the issues, I feel DeSantis is more conservative than Trump. He’s just not as psycho by comparison. We’re damned either way there.
In result, people shy away from challenging Trump because he is seen as the defacto leader.
You’re right, but I’m amazed at his staying power when I compare him to Bush. Granted, Bush couldn’t be reelected in 2008, but things went so badly for him in the last year that no one in the party wanted to be associated with him that year. No one sought his endorsement.
Compare Bush’s 2008 with the Insanity Shitshow of Trump and it’s a miracle anyone in the Republican Party will even say his name. Incredibly, they’re actually waiting for him to run for president - or not.
Anyone that endorses donald for office has lost any and all credibility.
For people that complain about everything, complain about the state of the union, then turn around and want him in the office, shows they are incapable of rational thought.
The leading member of conservative media in the United States is endorsing for president a man who tried to overthrow the US government. Think about that.
So you're thinking he won't be charged for sedition, conspiracy, etc?
No indictments or convictions indicates innocence.
What a staggering failure to understand the justice system. Even if a trial were held and Trump found 'not guilty' that does not mean 'innocent'.
I understand it perfectly. No indictments...no charges...no trial...no case...equals presumption of innocence.
I would hope you believe in due process.
Trump's being "Kavanaughed"
Why do you say so many ridiculous things? Do you enjoy it?
No indictments, etc. ... does not mean nor does it even indicate that Trump is innocent. Presumption of innocence is not a legal determination ... our system renders a determination of guilty or not-guilty and not-guilty is not the same as innocent.
If Trump is not convicted of anything, he's not guilty. Same end result as innocent.
'Same end result' (no conviction) is not what you claimed. You claimed:
So if Trump is not indicted or is indicted but not convicted the results would be the same (no punishment) but that does not in any way imply that Trump is innocent.
Real simple, all sorts of criminals get away with their crimes either because they were not caught or no charges were filed or they were found not-guilty, a hung-jury, a mistrial, etc. Not being found guilty does not mean they are innocent nor does it imply they are innocent.
Why do you attempt to argue against such a basic concept?
If Trump is not indicted, the partisan R's will (obtusely) claim that this means he is innocent. They will be wrong. His guilt will simply be legally undetermined.
If you murder someone and never get caught, are you innocent?
Your logic is silly.
So the Clintons are guilty of all the crimes people say the are guilty of even though they have never been convicted or even indicated.
It is nice to finally see a liberal admit that they think that just because they accuse someone that that person is automatically guilty. You won't mind if I reject your "system of justice. "
That is what you have been saying about the Clintons for years now. Just ask Vince, Seth, Jeffery and dozens of others associated with the clintons
Where is the evidence he's committed a crime.
How on Earth do you get that? What possible value is it for you to pretend to not comprehend this basic idea?:
Now here are the possibilities:
That is two things you got wrong. Same basic principle in your prior confusion.
If someone is not conservative that does not mean they are liberal
If someone is not liberal that does not mean they are conservative.
No shit Texan. You totally missed the point.
I have seen your comments and they show that you are as liberal as they come.
You are dead wrong so now you try to move the goalposts.
Answering your 'move the goalpost' deflection: evidence of a crime requires that a crime be charged. When (if) Trump is charged of a crime (I will wait for the DoJ to do that) we can then discuss which of the mountains of extant evidence supports the charge.
I predict you will nuh'uh reject every item of evidence.
Then you also have no concept of liberal vs. conservative. Given you do not understand the basics of legal guilt this does not surprise me.
According to (some people) any one that is a little bit left of Genghis Khan is a Liberal.
So Tex, you believe Trump is as innocent of any wrongdoing what so ever.....
because, he said so ? Don't lie to us, like Ttrump would and does.
Well for one thing I know I am a conservative and I can prove it. I know what a woman is and I also know a man can not get pregnant.
Believe me, everyone can see it.
I understand. I also understand that the liberal idea of guilt or innocence is if you are conservative and they say you are guilty you are guilty even without a shred of evidence or the amount of evidence that proves you are not. They also think that uf a liberal is accused they are not guilty despite the amount of evidence that shows their guilt.
I am also proud to be an American a citizen of the best country on the planet. Liberals can not say the same.
This 'Liberal' can be proud of the country and ashamed of the conservatives in this country at the same time...
You either do not understand or are pretending to not understand. Either way you are dead wrong.
Are you truly unable to see that partisans find guilt on 'the other side' based on a whiff while defending 'their side' against overwhelming evidence? You do not see this??
This is not a liberal or a conservative phenomenon but rather a group-think / cultish / partisan phenomenon. Look around, for example, at all the Trump supporters denying every bit of evidence against him. It is pathetic. Hell this thread begins with Greg claiming that the lack of an indictment implies Trump is innocent of wrongdoing in his Big Lie campaign.
You don't do stuff, like think....oh, ok.
Too bad you never show it
Conservatives have nothing to be ashamed of
The subset of conservatives who still support Trump have plenty to be ashamed of. The fact that they are not ashamed is the problem.
I never show it? I didn't see any of yall having a 4th of July thread.
Keep telling yourself that. After a while it might seem true...
so you are proud of Trump, and his BIG LIE, that a prominent respected groupmof conservatives, after a thorough investigation, determined Trumpm LIED and LOST,then continued to push and promote his LIE, causing some to Die, but, there is nothing to be ashamed about when your leader tries to overthrow US, and steal an election, now is there ?
I guess that is why those that rioted for weeks and looted and burned businesses across the country and took over while sections of towns when Hillary lost and during the BLM riots had their charges dismissed while conservatives who protested for less than one day, looted no businesses and committed no acts of arson are hunted down using any and all technology and getting the book thrown at them.
So storming the capitol with the idea of stopping/overturning an election is just a protest...
Yeah, ok.
You seem to be ok with people attempting to burn and loot several cities for several days to get the 2016 election overturned or to have a BLM spokesman state the aim of his group to destroy the country.
The only person to die on Jan 6 was an unarmed white woman shot and killed by a black officer who was not charged with a crime. (BTW the were no protest before ir after the determination that no charges were to be filed)
If you think the protests were trying to overturn the 2016 election, there is no point in going any further...
THere were , i believe, 4 officers that died ffrom injuries most likely suffered that day by the hands of ignorant Trump supporters, stupidity hoarders, armed and directed to go 'save their country' by Don the CON as he obviously has no borders to cross, that are too far or over a line, as he thinks, he is divine
all while setting the divide deeper between the everyday citizen, all, just to benefit scumbag him
Four officers died by suicide and one died from natural causes. None were killed by the protesters.
That is bullshit.
Reactionaries (the so-called "conservatives") spew whatever fraudulent and defamatory statements they want, when they are the ones who hate America and want to destroy the American way of life. That is a provable fact.
It was Obama that claimed he wanted to fundementally change the country. Was Obama a conservative?
Hm conservatives want to preserve life, they want to keep the morals that kept this country going. The want people to be responsible for themselves and their own actions, they want to keep America strong and number one in the world they want it to be " the shining city on the hill". They believe in strong individualism
Liberals on the other hand think every one is owed a living. That morals are passed and no longer relavent. They think that some human beings (those not born yet) do not have a right to life.
Reactionaries want America to be more like Russia, an autocratic neo-fascist state
More fraudulent reactionary propaganda.
Forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth is an example of reactionary morality.
Racism, bigoty, hatred of others...Yep them morals alright.
Well I am proud that he nominated three excellent Justices to the Supreme Court, I am proud that he kept taxes low. I am proud that he presided through one of the best times for employment ( Biden is only benefiting from the replacement of those jobs list because of the pandemic). I am proud that he started construction of the border wall. I am proud that he lowered the numbers of illegals trying to enter the country. I am proud that he was beginning to deport those that were already told to leave. I am proud that he moved our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem I am proud that he cut off funds to the Palestinians. I am proud that he made us energy independent and a net exporter of energy. I am proud that he encouraged the production of the COVID vaccine at " warp speed".
There is a hell of a lot more to be proud of Trump for that there is or will be from biden
She had an abortion.
G2 was speaking in general terms about what Bopp, et. al. seeks: to force 10 year old rape victims to give birth.
The glaring clue was that he wrote victims (plural).
Would you force a 10 year old rape victim to give birth?
Three extreme partisans that lied while being interviewed.
Mine didn't change. If they did it was miniscule.
I could say donald only benefited from what he inherited from Obama.
Most of what he did was replacement...
Easy to do during a pandemic and lockdown...
That was never stopped.
Who actually gives a fuck. Though he did manage to piss a lot of people off.
Yep. Nothing like cutting funds for hospitals for people while selling arms to others...
Nothing he did specifically made that happen as anything he did would take years to come to fruition...
Encouraged. Hahaha
Trump's appointees to the Supreme Court are the exact opposite of "excellent".
You must be very proud to support a traitor who plotted a violent coup to overthrow the government.
I have never in my life supported Hillary Clinton and I never will.
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In any case, while I can neither say anything negative or positive about Biden's SCOTUS pick, judge by his other decisions over the last two plus years I don't have much hope she will be any good.
Who did that and when did they do it? When were they charged and convicted of treason?
Don't give me any bullshit from the jan6 committee. They are nothing but a bunch of hand pick pelosi hack that have as much in common with the truth, facts, fairness and justice as a Mexican drug carrel has with pure pharmaceuticals
On the first anniversary of Jan. 6 attack, government leaders said more than 700 people have been criminally charged in connection to the day.
During a recent speech, U.S. Attorney General Merrick B. Garland laid out some of the information regarding the alleged perpetrators of the Capitol riots. He also discussed the variety of ways in which the government is looking to find those who took part in the day’s events.
Per a press release, via the Department of Justice :
To date, there have been more than 725 defendants charged in connection to the day, Garland said.
The U.S. Department of Justice has also issued more than 5,000 subpoenas and search warrants, seized 2,00 devices and gone through 20,000 hours of video footage.
Citizens have also provided more than 30,000 tips about people connected to the riot.
In Garland’s speech, he also emphatically added that “those involved must be held accountable, and there is no higher priority for us at the Department of Justice.”
“In charging the perpetrators, we have followed well-worn prosecutorial practices. Those who assaulted officers or damaged the Capitol face greater charges,” Garland said, according to his prepared remarks.
hyep, every night
That is willful ignorance. Almost every witness was a high-ranking Republican official connected to Trump. Every one of them risked their careers to testify. You willfully dismiss all these testimonies simply because the committee is D-biased?
Do you actually (inexplicably) believe all these witnesses are lying??
You've never posted a comment where you're right about anything, except reactionary extremist lunatic fringe far right.
Post a link to these attempts 'to burn and loot several cities' to get the 2016 election overturned.
False.
Rosanne Boyland was trampled to death on Jan. 8th by her fellow insurrectionists.
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Then you should have no trouble proving it
Which time did they try to overthrow the US government?
Let me highlight that for ya.
So for yo it is ok that business were stolen from businesses were destroyed by arson and other means, that government office were attacked and were attempted to be burned by protesters while occupied, that rocks, bottles and other debris was thrown at LEOS, that officers were blinded by having lasers shined into their eyes. Do you think that it was right and fair that those that perpetrated those crimes were allowed to to go free without charges.even if they were caught in the act? Why weren't others that engaged in the riots id'd using facial recognition programs and chased down across the country to be prosecuted?
So prove it...
With reliable sources.
I can claim the same exact thing about democrats with proof. All you need to look at is the fuck up in the White House today and the policies that are damaging this country that will take a long time to recover from.
Because of this, most liberals consider you a racist.
Typo. She died on the 6th.
Delusional.
Adding 6.7 TRILLION to the deficit.
Bullshit.
By misappropriating the military budget at the detriment of those who defend us and their families.
By separating families, some of whom will never be reunited.
More delusion.
Shinny obviously impress you.
Cruelty is nothing to be proud of.
More delusion.
Wow, pride for doing the LEAST he could do.
All of that pride in Trump is built on a 2-legged stool.
Prove that claim. I'll wait.
No they didn't. If you think they did prove it. From reliable non biased sources please
Now that would be a lie
Good
Especially when those "hospitals" are being used as military headquarters .munitions factories and ammunition warehouses
Was it really that hard to make that all one post?
You don't support your claims, why expect others to do so?
Your reader would tell you what they said so why bother. Besides why should I do things you won't do
WTF are you babbling about?
You can't support your claims. Your comments are fabricated bullshit.
Why lie?
No, it doesn't.
Far right wing fascists would have forced her to carry to term.
Thought about it, we are fucked. The democracy thing is fun, but at a certain point stupidity wins out.
Biden being elected proves your point about collective stupidity. At least temporarily.
Stupidity won out in the Republican Party in the spring and summer of 2016.
And who won the election in 2016. If the Republicans were so stupid in in the summer , how stupid were the Democrats that the Republicans beat them in November?
Famous Journalist in 1920: One Day ‘The White House Will Be Adorned by a Downright Moron’
Almost any other Republican.
That’s the whole problem, though. Trump somehow has the whole party by the short hairs, so none of those chickenshits will even try to run.
I am not sure about DeSantis. One of the few people that might not be afraid of him.
Though I don't care for that choice either. If he waits six years to run, his luster may be gone by then.
I agree. In addition, I suspect the reason for this phenomenon is the continued support by R voters for Trump. The politicians are very likely thinking that they will lose if they do not go along with Trump. In result, people shy away from challenging Trump because he is seen as the defacto leader.
In short, the problem is first with Trump supporters and then next with the politicians who rely (in part) on these voters for reelection.
Yeah, he’s no better. On the issues, I feel DeSantis is more conservative than Trump. He’s just not as psycho by comparison. We’re damned either way there.
You’re right, but I’m amazed at his staying power when I compare him to Bush. Granted, Bush couldn’t be reelected in 2008, but things went so badly for him in the last year that no one in the party wanted to be associated with him that year. No one sought his endorsement.
Compare Bush’s 2008 with the Insanity Shitshow of Trump and it’s a miracle anyone in the Republican Party will even say his name. Incredibly, they’re actually waiting for him to run for president - or not.
It is a troubling enigma.
That is quite the understatement.
Anyone that endorses donald for office has lost any and all credibility.
For people that complain about everything, complain about the state of the union, then turn around and want him in the office, shows they are incapable of rational thought.
Interesting “endorsement.”
I remember when Tucker Carlson used to do this show on MSNBC with Bill Press called The Spin Room.
I never would have guessed that he would wind up being this century's Father Coughlin.