50 Years Ago The Country Knew How To Tell A Disgraced President To Get The Hell Off The Stage
We often hear as a first line defense of Donald Trump that he has been neither indicted or convicted of any crime, and thus it is perfectly fine for him to assert himself as the leader of the Republican Party and a viable candidate for president in 2024.
Trump is guilty of the most serious wrongdoing by any president since Richard Nixon, and perhaps beyond. So it is interesting to note that Nixon left in disgrace of his own accord, neither under indictment or convicted of any crime, just like Donald Trump. Nixon left the national political scene in 1974, basically with his tail between his legs , BECAUSE congressional leaders from his own political party bluntly told him his support had evaporated and it was time for him to go. Say what you will about Nixon, he took responsibility for his mistakes ("I gave them a sword") Not only does Trump not take responsibility, he blames everyone else.
In 1974 the public was still unified enough to express universal outrage with Nixon's impeachable behavior, it didnt matter at all whether or not he had been "indicted or convicted', what mattered was that he had behaved abominably and illegally and had brought shame to the American government. Richard Nixon knew that and accepted his downfall as self-inflicted. A few years had to pass before Nixon felt comfortable appearing before the public again on full length television interviews.
It was quite a contrast with Trump, who will not leave the stage for any reason, let alone out of a sense of decency, and there is no one in the current Republican Party with either the gravitas or the ambition to tell Trump it is time to go.
As much as it would be nice to say it is just Trump's fault alone that he is still a force in politics more than a year and a half after trying to steal a presidential election , we all know in our hearts and minds that it is also the fault of the movement members known as MAGA , who feel a personal allegiance toward Trump that no one felt for Nixon.
Do the right thing? Not these guys.
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Where is the Barry Goldwater of 2022?
It still amazes me that the GoP has managed to lose its soul in Trump. And to continue this insanity even today ...
I wonder about the American public. They were unified in their negative attitude about Nixon back then and now so many are supportive of Trump notwithstanding how much he has damaged America and its democracy. What has happened to the people's ability to distinguish right from wrong?
I dont know? The internet?
Well, if I'm guessing, it's these things:
1. American education has turned to shit.
2. The media has gone gangbusters with bias.
3. Social media is a scourge (except for NT, of course).
4. The political divide has widened beyond repair.
Not my family. They didn't think he did anything worse than what other presidents did....he just got caught
Okay, I stand corrected. How about the last thing that unified Americans was 9/11, and if that didn't surely Pearl Harbour being attacked did.
I agree on 9/11 and on Pearl Harbor.
So if Biden wants to carry out his election promise and unify Americans, he will probably have to start another war - America is good with that business, the arms manufacturers will lick their chops and the economy would boom. Maybe keeping the war going in Ukraine isn't doing enough.
"...his own political party bluntly told him his support had evaporated..."
Trump's support hasn't evaporated. Biden threw a bucket of gas on that fire with his arbitrary gift to student borrowers.
Yeah, thats kind of the point. Even a human piece of crap that has disgraced the country on numerous occasions still has support. Thats probably why they were called deplorable.
We're semi-fascists now, John.
So you are saying you are MAGA ?
Is it worse than the gop MAGA spews on Dems?
...is what I said. New label - just keeping you up to speed.
That is the point.
"That is the point."
I included one reason that you omitted.
There is no need for me to quote your entire post. Social media forums do not, as a custom, repeat the entire post in a reply. The whole point of quoting is to establish the clear context of the reply.
The point was that people continue to support Trump and that is the only reason Trump is still relevant. Without supporters, Trump would be irrelevant.
But yes, of course, Biden made things worse.
"There is no need for..."
... would include the entire group of sentences. But yes, the uniter divides.
The point was that the GoP is still in bed with Trump. Biden's divisive language is not nearly as bad as Trump's so don't offer this valid criticism of Biden as if this is a major negative of Biden compared to Trump. No PotUS compares to Trump in terms of polarizing the nation.
The GoP remains saddled to Trump and that is bad for the GoP and the nation.
How can it be 'arbitrary' when it was a documented position during Biden's campaign?
When was the trial? There wasn't one? So this is just the normal TDS drivel we've seen for the past 7 years? Thought so.
The Jan 6 committee has proven, through the testimony of Trump administration officials, and others who have Trump white house ties, that he is guilty.
Nixon was never indicted or convicted either, yet he had the common sense decency to go away. Whats stopping trump? Oh I know, he still has subservient fans and support from the Republican Party.
Is not a trial. It was set up to look into the protest. You are going to have to do better than use a partisan clusterfuck to claim anything.
So he leaves. That puts DeSantis in the driver's seat. Is that what you want?
I'm not responsible for your inability to understand the evidence.
It's up to the people when or if Trump goes. Thankfully, we are a nation of laws and Constitutional rights, not a banana republic. The court of public opinion has no legal has no authority or power here
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Would you support Trump if he runs? Would you vote to nominate Trump as the GoP candidate for PotUS?
I will give you my answer: no. I would never, under any circumstances, vote for Trump to be PotUS. This is an easy decision given all that we know of Trump.
The committee was set up to look into the events of Jan 6. Trumps actions on and leading up to Jan 6 are totally within the scope of the committee.
And they have shown proof. You just dont like it.
Like how you omit the first sentence. IT IS NOT A TRIAL. So you're blathering on and on about the committee is all for nothing. It means nothing.
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Correct, no trial has taken place so no legal verdict of guilt has been determined.
Was it wrong for Trump to try to overturn the results of the election using the authority of his office and against the Constitution? Was it wrong for Trump to:
This is a question of right vs. wrong. It is obvious that Trump was wrong to do these things. Claiming that there has been no trial is deflection from an extremely obvious determination that Trump was without question wrong in the above serious acts. It is dishonestly fleeing from facing the truth.
Depends on if you see the Democrats using a special counsel and impeachment process to do the same thing.
So it's wrong to question the process?
Waiting on the proof of that. Unless you want me to go with the edited version of the speech from his rally that leaves out the part where he said "PEACEFULLY PROTEST".
Didn't the something similar occur during the 2016 election resulting in MORE votes for Trump? Oh, that's right, I'm supposed to forget about that.
We all should be fighting against fraud at all levels.
So he's not permitted to use twitter?
All that depends on who you believe. I've seen reports where he offered assistance but Democrats turned them down.
It all boils down to which side you are standing with.
There has been sworn testimony that during those three hours Trump was on the phone trying to get congresspeople to stall the certification so Trump and his co-conspirators could continue to try and steal the election.
If you think there is evidence that during those three hours Trump was offering law enforcement assistance at the capitol that was "turned down", lets see it.
Every one of your responses was deflection. You continue to refuse to acknowledge that Trump has done wrong on these counts.
Deflect and run. It is pathetic.
For example, I asked if it was wrong for Trump to tweet that Pence had let them down in the middle of the insurrection and your feeble response was to pretend that I asked if Trump is allowed to tweet in general.
You must think our readers are truly dumb.
You quote one thing then blather on about something else. Get your shit straight.
Oh poor thing. Did I not give you the answers you wanted? Guess that's something that you are going to have to work through on your own.
Some of them think Biden is doing a good job...
You are making a fool out of yourself again. Oh well.
Actually you did. My intention is to illustrate the absurdity of those who continue to defend Trump no matter what.
You make that claim after 5.1.14 . Get your shit straight.
That's a stupid comment.
First of all, the Special Counsel was appointed by Trump's DOJ. Are you claiming that Trump's AG abused the authority of his office to do so?
Secondly, the impeachment process is enumerated in the Constitution. Which makes it inherently Constitutional.
Get your shit straight.
And as usual you missed the point. Thus making the rest of your comment look, well, like a liberal wrote it.
As my reply illustrates, your comment made no cogent point.
For the reasons I stated, your comment was stupid.
Get your shit straight.
The tone from the Republican pols will change after the midterms. They can't win again with Trump....everyone knows this. Some here are failing to get that message. GOP takes back the House, wins a few Senate seats to control.
If Trump does decide to run again, the Dems better come up with someone that could beat him.
If Trump decides to run, it is the GoP who has the first responsibility to NOT NOMINATE HIM. Nominate a decent human being instead. Give the voters a choice.
It is the GoP's job to produce a good R candidate and the D's job to produce a good D candidate.
So what are the Democrats doing even thinking about nominating Biden again?
He isn't even close to a decent human being. Weaponizing the DOJ and FBI against political opponents should be a disqualifier. Scummier than Trump as the evidence on the Hunter Biden hard drives prove. After his speech in Philadelphia the fact Biden still has people making excuses is beyond deplorable, it is absolutely criminal. Maybe we should start calling all Biden supporters "criminals". It would be in the same spirit with "deplorables" and "semi Fascists".
Waiting in the wings is Hillary Clinton should Biden falter. How the Clintons still have so much power in the Democrats party is appalling. Clinton supporters can be the "appallings". Good nicknames for both sets of supporters. Support both and be an "appalling criminal".
You think either party gives a shit about producing a good candidate? They care about staying in power; and accumulating wealth for themselves (and if they have to whomever is paying them). That is it. They have proven it repeatedly. Expecting them to change now is foolhardy.
Indeed, Biden should not be running for a second term.
Oh, bullshit. Biden is as decent a human being as any career politician out there; more so than most IMO. He is simply too old and too unimpressive in his leadership abilities to be a good candidate. The Ds need to pick a younger person (say 45-65 years old) with experience in leadership, and with personal charisma to help reunite our nation.
I do not see Hillary making another attempt. Further, she would be even worse a candidate than she was in 2016. Hillary would be a major faux pas for the Ds.
Yes. Both parties want to win. It is stupid to put forth a candidate who is not likely to prevail in the general.