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Extremist Republicans openly attack public schools teaching science, history and social studies to kids

  
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Extremist Republicans openly attack public schools teaching science, history and social studies to kids
Hegseth thinks taxpayer-funded public schools should teach everything through the “lens” of God, or, more specifically, his God “Did you take social studies? I took social studies. The progressives made it up it – it’s, it’s a made-up conglomerate of subjects meant to silo the way that we think as opposed to basing all of wisdom in God’s wisdom, in His word, and it all makes sense, looking at it through that lens.”

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By David Badash,The New Civil Rights Movement

The Arizona Republican Party’s nominee for governor,   Kari Lake , is telling supporters there’s no reason for schools to spend so much time teaching science, math, and history. If elected she would recreate public schools into factories producing young adults who can immediately enter the workforce without the benefit of understanding basic information necessary in a democratic society. In North Carolina, the dominionist Lt. Governor wants to ban the teaching of science and history in elementary schools. And a   Fox News   host this week claimed that social studies – classes that teach history, culture, geography, political science, philosophy, and psychology – is a fake subject, “made up by progressives.”

That Fox News host is   Pete Hegseth , who Donald Trump, when he was president, wanted to nominate to head the Veterans Administration. Hegseth may be best-known, however, for once bragging on Fox News that   he hadn’t washed his hands in over a decade .

That Fox News host is   Pete Hegseth , who Donald Trump, when he was president, wanted to nominate to head the Veterans Administration. Hegseth may be best-known, however, for once bragging on Fox News that   he hadn’t washed his hands in over a decade .

“Germs are not a real thing,” Hegseth   said . “I can’t see them, therefore they’re not real.”

“Everything about the confines of my classroom was created by progressives 100 years ago,” Hegseth told a live audience this week. “You mentioned the rows. You mentioned that approach – the bell ringing. God being removed of course, lunch breaks, lunch breaks, different subjects, Social Studies.”

That’s when Hegseth got agitated.

“The idea we’re not going to study civics, history, philosophy, theology, we’re going to create psychology and social studies and split it all up as if we can dissect human nature and through a scientific method which they’ve invented.”.

“That’s right, create more perfectible human beings by controlling how they think and what they think, all created by progressives.”

Hegseth thinks taxpayer-funded public schools should teach everything through the “lens” of God, or, more specifically, his God

“Did you take social studies? I took social studies. The progressives made it up it – it’s, it’s a made-up conglomerate of subjects meant to silo the way that we think as opposed to basing all of wisdom in God’s wisdom, in His word, and it all makes sense, looking at it through that lens.”

Social Studies, of course, includes civics and history, and philosophy. In fact, the   National Council for the Social Studies   offers a definition for social studies:

“Social studies is the integrated study of the social sciences and humanities to promote civic competence,” which Hegseth appears to object to.

“Within the school program, social studies provides coordinated, systematic study drawing upon such disciplines as anthropology, archaeology, economics, geography, history, law, philosophy, political science, psychology, religion, and sociology, as well as appropriate content from the humanities, mathematics, and natural sciences.”

“The primary purpose of social studies is to help young people develop the ability to make informed and reasoned decisions for the public good as citizens of a culturally diverse, democratic society in an interdependent world.”

Hegseth is not alone in wanting to reduce what children learn.

Republican Kari Lake, Arizona’s GOP nominee for governor and a former TV news reporter whose entire education was in public schools, now thinks school children don’t need to learn as much as they are currently when it comes to science, math, and history.

“I believe we are at a prime opportunity to completely re-envision how our government schools are run, because everyone’s eyes are open,” Lake told supporters at an event while campaigning with far-right white Christian nationalist U.S. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ).

“And who says we have to have this many hours of science, this many of math and history? We can change that up,” said Lake about an entire state’s public school system that already has been “ranked worst across the 50 United States of America,” according to a report in Arizona’s   KGUN 9 News .

“What does it mean to have a high school diploma? It should mean that you know some of the basics, and you also have some ability to go out and make a living. Our schools have our kids for 13 years from K through 12 and at the end of 13 years, we should have some competent adults going into the world who can make a living because there are jobs out there.”

Notice how Lake doesn’t say, “public schools,” but “government schools,” a term many on the right use to demonize public schools, expanding their belief that anything the government does is wrong, bad, or a waste of tax dollars.

Lake also sounds like she’s suggesting high school graduates are not able to get jobs because they have spent too much time learning about science, math, and history.

Then there’s far right Christian dominionist Republican Lt. Governor of North Carolina   Mark Robinson , who is another extremist attacking education.

Robinson made national headlines after calling LGBTQ people “filth.”

In August   MSNBC’s Ja’han Jones wrote   that Robinson “may well be the most bigoted official in the United States with the least name recognition.”

Calling him “a full-on extremist,” Jones writes that Robinson And “reportedly has a new, ludicrous belief to share with the masses: Science and history shouldn’t be taught to students until they reach sixth grade.”

“First through fifth grades ‘don’t need to be teaching social studies,’ he wrote, according to local NBC affiliate WRAL-TV, which obtained an advanced copy of his upcoming book,” Jones adds, reporting that Robinson wrote: “We don’t need to be teaching science. We surely don’t need to be talking about equity and social justice.”

There’s more to Robinson’s extremist ideas on education.

Get rid of it. Or, specifically, Jones writes, Robinson has ” called for the elimination of the state’s board of education.”

“Robinson said flatly what most fact-averse conservatives won’t admit about their education crusade,” Jones continues. “They fear accurate history lessons that could inevitably lead to discussions about systemic disparities. And they fear discussions about science, which may undermine the fundamentalist Christian beliefs at the heart of the conservative movement.”

Jones sums up this entire approach to public education from the right.

“Robinson’s reported ideas about education showcase the logical endpoint of the Republican Party’s assault on lessons about social inequality: an eagerness to keep children stupid.”

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 years ago
“I believe we are at a prime opportunity to completely re-envision how our government schools are run, because everyone’s eyes are open,” Lake told supporters at an event while campaigning with far-right white Christian nationalist U.S. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ). “And who says we have to have this many hours of science, this many of math and history? We can change that up,” said Lake about an entire state’s public school system that already has been “ranked worst across the 50 United States of America,” according to a report in Arizona’s KGUN 9 News .

Sounds like the GOP wants an army of ignorant drones at their disposal. 

Why teach kids the history of their country anyway? It can only hurt their self-esteem. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago
Sounds like the GOP wants an army of ignorant drones at their disposal. 

Exactly, they want to undo all the gains that have our children currently leading the world in math, science and history.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1    4 years ago

You would correct the problem with benign neglect. How Republican of you. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    4 years ago

Democrats are trying to correct the problem with more social engineering. They could give a fuck about how smart kids are- so long as they are programmed correctly.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.2    4 years ago
. They could give a fuck about how smart kids are- so long as they are programmed correctly.

Well I'll give you  this - you agree with the far right extremists named in the seed. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1    4 years ago

Lol .... bazinga.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    4 years ago

What exactly do you think is causing the problem?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    4 years ago

I don’t even need to buy a vowel since there isn’t one.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago
Sounds like the GOP wants an army of ignorant drones at their disposal. 

It sounds like they want just the opposite.


Why teach kids the history of their country anyway? 

According to progressives, US history is a simple story of oppression & slavery, nothing else.


 It can only hurt their self-esteem.

It would help them understand what a truly great country this is.


David Badash wants to protect indoctrination. Send him to me. I'll give him a course in the humanities that he'll never forget!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2  Drinker of the Wry    4 years ago
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JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2    4 years ago

It is almost impossible for you to address listed topics. Im not answering any questions. Either address the seed or leave. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    4 years ago
Sounds like the GOP wants an army of ignorant drones at their disposal.  Why teach kids the history of their country anyway? It can only hurt their self-esteem. 

I replied to your comments, did they address the seed?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2    4 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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2.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2    4 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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2.3.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.3    4 years ago

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bbl-1
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3  bbl-1    4 years ago

The most frightful part of all of this are those that willingly support and vote for this.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    4 years ago
said Lake about an entire state’s public school system that already has been “ranked worst across the 50 United States of America,” according to a report in Arizona’s      KGUN 9 News   . “What does it mean to have a high school diploma? It should mean that you know some of the basics, and you also have some ability to go out and make a living. Our schools have our kids for 13 years from K through 12 and at the end of 13 years, we should have some competent adults going into the world who can make a living because there are jobs out there.”

the horror!  

This article is a master class in throwing shit at hysterically throwing shit at  wall using buzz words, innuendo and guilt by association to attack someone or saying something any sane person would agree with. 

But by all means, John, campaign against trying to improve schools and ensuring HS gradates have the ability to function in society.  Real winner there. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    4 years ago

It sounds like she wants to cut back on science math and history for high school kids. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 years ago
ounds like she wants to cut back on science math and history for high school kids. 

Sounds like she wants to consider changing an educational system that is one of the worst in the country.  She doesn't promise to cut anything. 

What's wrong with believing high school graduates should be competent?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.1    4 years ago
“And who says we have to have this many hours of science, this many of math and history? We can change that up,”
 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    4 years ago

The Arizona Department of Education has identified one issue which may contribute to the states low rankings.  Arizona has an average student-to-counselor ratio of 716:1, when the recommended standard is 250:1.

Surprisingly, they didn't say that the number of hours devoted to science, math, history, but the need for more counselors.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    4 years ago

says we have to have this many hours of science, this many of math and history? We can change that up,”

Right. What's wrong with considering changing a system that isn't working? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    4 years ago

Well, four words cone to my mind. PURE UNADLTERATED HORSE MANURE!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.1    4 years ago

Depends on the mod.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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5  Gsquared    4 years ago

Republicans are only interested in the education system producing ignorant sheep.  That's their MAGA base.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @5    4 years ago

Republicans are only interested in the education system producing ignorant sheep.  That's their MAGA base.

Tell us how well public schools are doing in deep blue areas like Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, NYC, Chicago, or LA.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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5.1.1  pat wilson  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1    4 years ago

I don't know about the others but the Los Angeles Unified School District fared well from 2019 to 2022. 

W hile   new national test results   painted a grim picture of   student learning during the pandemic , scores in the nation’s second largest school district offered a glimmer of hope and signs of improvement.

In Los Angeles, the average scores for eighth-grade math and fourth-grade reading held steady between 2019 and 2022, while eighth-grade reading scores in the district saw a nine-point improvement—a “bright spot” amid otherwise   steep academic declines   on the   National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) , known as “the Nation’s Report Card.”

 
 
 
pat wilson
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5.1.3  pat wilson  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    4 years ago

The Times article is stating how LAUSD compared nationally in post pandemic scores.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

You really should stop poisoning your mind with such trash sources.  The whole point of sites like AlterNet are to keep you perpetually enraged and irrationally angry at Republicans.

It treats an obvious  joke from three years ago by a fox anchor as a real admission to frame a story about politicians.  Do you not get mad when your sources tret you like a fool and manipulate you so crassly? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    4 years ago
“Did you take social studies? I took social studies. The progressives made it up it – it’s, it’s a made-up conglomerate of subjects meant to silo the way that we think as opposed to basing all of wisdom in God’s wisdom, in His word, and it all makes sense, looking at it through that lens.”

Was that the funny part ? 

 
 
 
independent Liberal
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7  independent Liberal    4 years ago

Our education system is failing. Democrats control the department of education. The teachers unions and the curriculum. The United States is falling in every subject. Math and science, and literacy the most.

During the pandemic parents in both parties realized the education system was failing and educational priorities had little to do with the subjects necessary to move our country forward.

Their concerns were met with disdain for the voices that pay the taxes and carry the most weight. Read local news across the country. It's not just conservatives outraged  at the lack of effectiveness in our education. This is  the number one reason why democrats will get served a serious defeat at the polls in coming days.

Listen to voters, parents matter. Bizarre fringe social issues Don't prepare  children for jobs. Teacher unions will erode the American union and it's future. Establishment Democrats will be to blame.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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7.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  independent Liberal @7    4 years ago

Yes yes, and Putin is a god send. [Deleted]

 
 

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