According to NPR "The three lawmakers acknowledge that they didn't follow the rules of order and decorum by speaking without being formally recognized". While I do not agree that the punishment fits the crime it does not surprise me that this is where we are headed, both sides of the aisle have gone from spirited disagreement to out and out hatred of the other. What is happening to he that can not be named in New york(specifically) is the latest example. And here we are a few days later with the second shot.
As for the guy in the video he should take his "liberal redneck" act on the road. His satirical look and accusing the right of everything the left is doing is pure comedic gold.
While I do not agree that the punishment fits the crime it does not surprise me that this is where we are headed, both sides of the aisle have gone from spirited disagreement to out and out hatred of the other.
Yep. In a sane world, censure and maybe committee removal would occur.
But now only maximalist solutions suffice. Lawfare where novel theories are pieced together to "get" political enemies and charge them with crimes. It's open season on anyone who loses, or is on the side with less power, given the slightest opening. It's what happened at the end of the Roman Republic. Politicians were safe in power, but once they "lost" politically, they were open to the whims of their enemies, which is why politicians like Caesar, or Sulla refused to give up power and became dictators.
Jones was just on TV talking about being a second class legislator, how he and Pearson have been ignored when trying to be recognized by the Chair or having their desk microphones turned off during debates. This was just the culmination of previous episodes.
Jone's district has already discussed reseating him after a special election and other leislators told him that neither will be recognized if re-elected.
Because the legislature is a pack of screaming mimis?
Point acknowledged that the legislature has the right to expell members, but do they have the right to not listen to an officially recognized member who is elected following the rules of the state.
I really hope that some semblance of a conservative party emerges from the cultural morass that the Republican party has un-lead itself into. 'Cause it seems like the members of the party are hell bent on destroying their last shreds of credibility with these social issues. If they look at the people that they represent and compare those peoples attitudes to their positions, they will realize that they had better adjust course soon or risk landing the whole party in the intolerance tent. People are just waking up to what exactly they are about and I don't think that they like what they are seeing.
Read the Constitution. Only State legislatures get to make election laws. Judges intervened in 2020 to favor democrats. That is why people will now always question elections.
I've asked you this probably ten times and you have nothing. Show us your evidence that people voted who were not registered to vote, or that they voted more than once. Those are the only ways the election would have been illegitimate or questionable.
Do you understand that Donald Trump signaled long before hand that he would cry the election was stolen from him if he lost? He lost and he cried. It was all his plan.
Are you conflating election interference with election fraud?
You can't simply jump up and down and say it was clean. Election laws were changed to benefit democrats. News stories were censored to benefit democrats!
Time Magazine bragged about all the things that were done.
Democrats are the party of the radical left and they do anything to win.
Election laws were changed to benefit democrats. News stories were censored to benefit democrats!
How did any election laws benefit Democrats unless they allowed people to vote more than once and the Democrats were the only ones who did it?
After the insane claims right after the election that Italian satellites had changed votes , etc, we started to get this drip drip drip allegation that there was something wrong with mail in voting, or early voting. Its all bullshit. You're registered to vote, you vote. Early, by mail, makes no difference.
I think you'll find it outlines the responsibilities of the Judicial Branch.
Only State legislatures get to make election laws.
Any law passed by any legislative body must comply with the Consitution, and it is the responsibility of judges to decide whether or not that is the case.
How rare are contested presidential elections? In the 58 presidential elections held since 1789, only three presidents have been elected after the regular Electoral College process played out. The 1800 and 1824 elections were contingent elections in Congress after no candidate won a majority of electoral college votes, and a special 15-person commission decided the disputed 1876 election. (In 1837, the Senate also decided a vice presidential race in a contingent election.)
In recent times, the Supreme Court ruling in Bush v. Gore in 2000 settled a controversy over an automatic recount in Florida that gave George Bush a majority of votes heading into the Electoral College proceedings that December.
The Founders crafted the Electoral College as a compromise that balanced population-based voting and state interests when it came to electing a president and vice president. Each state is allocated a slate (or number) of electors based on its representation in Congress, and voters in each state choose electors affiliated with a political candidate.
With the exception of two states, all electors in each state are awarded to the candidate with the most popular votes. In turn, the electors of all states meet as a group (or college) at selected locations in December within each state (and the District of Columbia) to cast their votes. If a candidate has at least 270 electoral votes, they are declared the winner of the presidential election. If not, Congress can decide the issue under the 12th Amendment in a contingent election held after the newly elected Congress is seated in office.
The dramatic 1876 contest between Rutherford B. Hayes and Samuel Tilden is perhaps the closest the nation has come to experiencing a constitutional crisis related to presidential elections - and one law related to the 1876 dispute keeps popping up in scenarios linking that election to the 2020 contest.
After Election Day in 1876, four states, Florida, Oregon, Louisiana, and South Carolina, sent two different slates of electors to Congress to be counted, since there were rival Democratic and Republican factions in those states at the end of the post-Civil War Reconstruction period.
And it sure looks bad from the outside. Optics is everything in politics so the call of racism will go far. It's very possible that racism was involved in the vote of those who agreed to expel the two but voted against expulsion for the one.
While the three did disrupt official proceedings, I do not agree with the decision to expel any of them. IMO they should have been reprimanded for their actions and then the legislature could have moved on. The Republicans hold the majority so no new gun legislation would have been passed anyway (not that any new law put forth by our Einstein's on the left would make any difference anyway) and this mess could have been avoided.
And it sure looks bad from the outside. Optics is everything in politics so the call of racism will go far. It's very possible that racism was involved in the vote of those who agreed to expel the two but voted against expulsion for the one.
They should have booted all 3 of the seditionists, period. All 3 incited the insurrectionists. Just one chose to do it w/o using a blowhorn. All 3 should have suffered the same fate.
While the three did disrupt official proceedings, I do not agree with the decision to expel any of them. IMO they should have been reprimanded for their actions and then the legislature could have moved on.
So, a slap on the wrist signifying nothing; and that is exactly what the 3 would learned- nothing. Next leftist insurrection they would be out there leading the charge again.
The Republicans hold the majority so no new gun legislation would have been passed anyway (not that any new law put forth by our Einstein's on the left would make any difference anyway) and this mess could have been avoided.
Republicans are just supposed to turn the other cheek and move on? Funny, don't remember Democrats anywhere at any time doing that when they are in power.
The only racist there was Justin Jones who called Rep Sabi Kumar a "brown face" simply because Kumar is an Indian immigrant who happens to be Republican.
The truth may be a little more mixed, but if you pose a yes or no question the answer would have to be yes. Three people went into "the well" (oh, the horror!) and were to be punished. But only two were . What do those two have in common compared with the one who wasnt punished?
There’s a lot to unpack there, Representative Kumar. I don’t even know where to start, to be honest. I mean, it’s sad what you just stated to me, and that’s what this is really about. He said ‘You see everything under the lens of race, when you join this body, you should just become one of us. Just assimilate.’
That’s very disappointing to hear, my friend. And what I told you was, what you just exhibited, as the only member of their caucus that’s not of the Caucasian persuasion, I said that you put a brown face on white supremacy. That’s what I said.
While the three did disrupt official proceedings, I do not agree with the decision to expel any of them.
I don't either...... BUT.....
I don't know all the details.
It's not hard to imagine a scenario where these guys simply said "we're going to keep this up until you pass gun control". In which case, they have to go. I don't know that happened, but I also don't know it didn't.
There's that old adage about not judging somebody until you've walked a mile in their shoes.
So, a slap on the wrist signifying nothing; and that is exactly what the 3 would learned- nothing. Next leftist insurrection they would be out there leading the charge again.
One of the two has been re-instated by the Nashville city council and the other is expected to also be re-instated on Wednesday. Jones has already been sworn in and is again an active member of the Tennessee House. It's just like nothing happened. Somehow I don't think any lesson was learned here and the optics of this all remain bad. IMO this was just a huge waste of time and energy that will not do anybody any good.
What Republicans need to pay attention to is how decisive the votes of the very young have become:
“Republicans may think they won today in Tennessee, but their fascism is only further radicalizing and awakening an earthquake of young people, both in the South and across the nation,” Ocasio-Ortez tweeted Thursday evening . “If you thought youth organizing was strong, just wait for what’s coming. Gen Z don’t play.”
Yup, Gen Z has been completely indoctrinated. It really doesn't matter what Republicans do. The stupid kids will see this as an attempt to silence a "rational" person such as the likes of Justin Pearson (a throw back to the late 60's)
Let's hear it for Justin. Get your bullhorns and just keep repeating "power to the people!"
The kids who hear about abortion, climate, trans gender isues and reparations every day at college?
I learned to spell in grade school.
I learned about cars, guns, pot, beer, sex and gays in high school.
It isn't about your fear of colleges.
It's on the news 24/7/365 as the party of fear keeps it in the news cycle by banning books, promoting guns, denying science, attacking private businesses like Disney, denying the pursuit of life liberty and happiness with new legislation every day.
This guy should run for office down there.
He now lives in California.
Very smart guy!
They will give people the same energy on this topic that has happened with the abortion issue. What a fuck up on the GOP part.
According to NPR "The three lawmakers acknowledge that they didn't follow the rules of order and decorum by speaking without being formally recognized". While I do not agree that the punishment fits the crime it does not surprise me that this is where we are headed, both sides of the aisle have gone from spirited disagreement to out and out hatred of the other. What is happening to he that can not be named in New york(specifically) is the latest example. And here we are a few days later with the second shot.
As for the guy in the video he should take his "liberal redneck" act on the road. His satirical look and accusing the right of everything the left is doing is pure comedic gold.
Yep. In a sane world, censure and maybe committee removal would occur.
But now only maximalist solutions suffice. Lawfare where novel theories are pieced together to "get" political enemies and charge them with crimes. It's open season on anyone who loses, or is on the side with less power, given the slightest opening. It's what happened at the end of the Roman Republic. Politicians were safe in power, but once they "lost" politically, they were open to the whims of their enemies, which is why politicians like Caesar, or Sulla refused to give up power and became dictators.
You should start a Sean Treacy Drama Club here.
This is now officially a racial issue. The Republican Tennessee state legislature voted to expel the two black men but spared the white woman.
What do they say "you cant make this stuff up".
Jones was just on TV talking about being a second class legislator, how he and Pearson have been ignored when trying to be recognized by the Chair or having their desk microphones turned off during debates. This was just the culmination of previous episodes.
Jone's district has already discussed reseating him after a special election and other leislators told him that neither will be recognized if re-elected.
One way or another this is going to court.
And why should a judge get to overrule a legislature?
Great assumption. What if the voting districts appoint or re-elect the same two people and the legislator sues to keep them out?
And Federal Judges are frequently overruling stuff; state laws, federal laws, Congress and Presidential EOs.
Even longstanding FDA regulations?
Welcome to America.
Because the legislature is a pack of screaming mimis?
Point acknowledged that the legislature has the right to expell members, but do they have the right to not listen to an officially recognized member who is elected following the rules of the state.
I really hope that some semblance of a conservative party emerges from the cultural morass that the Republican party has un-lead itself into. 'Cause it seems like the members of the party are hell bent on destroying their last shreds of credibility with these social issues. If they look at the people that they represent and compare those peoples attitudes to their positions, they will realize that they had better adjust course soon or risk landing the whole party in the intolerance tent. People are just waking up to what exactly they are about and I don't think that they like what they are seeing.
Of course, in my opinion.
Because it's a major function of the judicial branch of government?
Read the Constitution. Only State legislatures get to make election laws. Judges intervened in 2020 to favor democrats. That is why people will now always question elections.
I've asked you this probably ten times and you have nothing. Show us your evidence that people voted who were not registered to vote, or that they voted more than once. Those are the only ways the election would have been illegitimate or questionable.
Do you understand that Donald Trump signaled long before hand that he would cry the election was stolen from him if he lost? He lost and he cried. It was all his plan.
Are you conflating election interference with election fraud?
You can't simply jump up and down and say it was clean. Election laws were changed to benefit democrats. News stories were censored to benefit democrats!
Time Magazine bragged about all the things that were done.
Democrats are the party of the radical left and they do anything to win.
How did any election laws benefit Democrats unless they allowed people to vote more than once and the Democrats were the only ones who did it?
After the insane claims right after the election that Italian satellites had changed votes , etc, we started to get this drip drip drip allegation that there was something wrong with mail in voting, or early voting. Its all bullshit. You're registered to vote, you vote. Early, by mail, makes no difference.
Democrats long had an enthusiasm problem. Marc Elias single handedly fixed that with getting battleground states to adopt maIL-in voting.
Did it benefit them?
How about Mark Zuckerberg and his control of election boards?
You lived through it John. You never noticed?
I think you'll find it outlines the responsibilities of the Judicial Branch.
Any law passed by any legislative body must comply with the Consitution, and it is the responsibility of judges to decide whether or not that is the case.
Hilarious, when will you tire of these asinine declarations?
The first contested election was in 1800 followed by
1824, 1860,1876, 1910,1948, 2000, 2016, now supposedly 2020.
8 Contested Elections in US History
A history of contested presidential elections, from Samuel Tilden to Al Gore (theconversation.com)
Four Times the Results of a Presidential Election Were Contested | History| Smithsonian Magazine
The United State of America is certainly no stranger to election controversy.
Welcome to America.
Election laws were changed to benefit the voters, the Dems just happened to win this round.
Where are your condemnations of Pecker and trump for "catch & kill" all negative Trump stories?
The one sided lack of transparency of your constant conspiratorial whining is lame.
So that by itself equals racism?
It seems many would say yes.
Perhaps not but in the big box store of politics it sells and the stupidity of the Tennessee republican party does not.
And it sure looks bad from the outside. Optics is everything in politics so the call of racism will go far. It's very possible that racism was involved in the vote of those who agreed to expel the two but voted against expulsion for the one.
While the three did disrupt official proceedings, I do not agree with the decision to expel any of them. IMO they should have been reprimanded for their actions and then the legislature could have moved on. The Republicans hold the majority so no new gun legislation would have been passed anyway (not that any new law put forth by our Einstein's on the left would make any difference anyway) and this mess could have been avoided.
They should have booted all 3 of the seditionists, period. All 3 incited the insurrectionists. Just one chose to do it w/o using a blowhorn. All 3 should have suffered the same fate.
So, a slap on the wrist signifying nothing; and that is exactly what the 3 would learned- nothing. Next leftist insurrection they would be out there leading the charge again.
Republicans are just supposed to turn the other cheek and move on? Funny, don't remember Democrats anywhere at any time doing that when they are in power.
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Of course, they are to be allowed to get away with anything or it will be called racist
The only racist there was Justin Jones who called Rep Sabi Kumar a "brown face" simply because Kumar is an Indian immigrant who happens to be Republican.
The truth may be a little more mixed, but if you pose a yes or no question the answer would have to be yes. Three people went into "the well" (oh, the horror!) and were to be punished. But only two were . What do those two have in common compared with the one who wasnt punished?
The Tennessee republicans stepped in it.
Did they?
Besides standing next to the two men, what did Johnson do? Was she screaming into a bullhorn? Was she inciting the crowd?
All you have to do is be rational.
It was a racist statement. All today's racists are on the left.
I guess you dont care about anyone here taking you seriously.
Do you believe these people are leftists?
Gloria Johnson herself said the three were all the same in what they did and they had total solidarity in their actions.
Its not 100 percent clear it was about race , but this is one of those "if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck its a duck" situations.
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I don't either...... BUT.....
I don't know all the details.
It's not hard to imagine a scenario where these guys simply said "we're going to keep this up until you pass gun control". In which case, they have to go. I don't know that happened, but I also don't know it didn't.
There's that old adage about not judging somebody until you've walked a mile in their shoes.
One of the two has been re-instated by the Nashville city council and the other is expected to also be re-instated on Wednesday. Jones has already been sworn in and is again an active member of the Tennessee House. It's just like nothing happened. Somehow I don't think any lesson was learned here and the optics of this all remain bad. IMO this was just a huge waste of time and energy that will not do anybody any good.
Autocracy is spreading. Follow the money. Russian, Saudi and Chinese wealth has chosen the 'weaker American political party' to do its bidding.
Right, the Clintons took millions from Russia, the Bidens millions from China.
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What Republicans need to pay attention to is how decisive the votes of the very young have become:
“Republicans may think they won today in Tennessee, but their fascism is only further radicalizing and awakening an earthquake of young people, both in the South and across the nation,” Ocasio-Ortez tweeted Thursday evening . “If you thought youth organizing was strong, just wait for what’s coming. Gen Z don’t play.”
Yup, Gen Z has been completely indoctrinated. It really doesn't matter what Republicans do. The stupid kids will see this as an attempt to silence a "rational" person such as the likes of Justin Pearson (a throw back to the late 60's)
Let's hear it for Justin. Get your bullhorns and just keep repeating "power to the people!"
Isn't that what the country is founded upon?
No, read the 1619 Project.
How much of the 1619 Project have you read?
I've read the articles published in the NY Times Magazine starting in the the summer of a 2019.
We call that statement a show-stopper!
Flesh out your point, if you have one.
They really haven't.
Yes they have.
Look, you are smart enough to understand that what you see in the media is a tiny, carefully curated sliver of reality.
I live with a Gen Z, and speak regularly with his friends.
AOC is in for a fuckin' shock if she thinks these kids are going to follow her down the Looney Lefty Yellow Dog Brick Road.
Just because they find a few dipshits to put on television does not mean all of these kids are wired that way.
Just read this please:
You continue to confuse the definition of indoctrination.
It's not all about you.
The article is pretty clear that they will vote to protect their own interests.
Who is that?
The kids who hear about abortion, climate, trans gender isues and reparations every day at college?
I learned to spell in grade school.
I learned about cars, guns, pot, beer, sex and gays in high school.
It isn't about your fear of colleges.
It's on the news 24/7/365 as the party of fear keeps it in the news cycle by banning books, promoting guns, denying science, attacking private businesses like Disney, denying the pursuit of life liberty and happiness with new legislation every day.