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Florida teacher under investigation for showing "Confederate History Month" video to school

  
Via:  John Russell  •  3 years ago  •  98 comments

By:   Gage Goulding (NBC News)

Florida teacher under investigation for showing "Confederate History Month" video to school
A teacher at a Collier County school is facing backlash from parents after they showed a video celebrating "Confederate History Month" to the entire school.

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NAPLES, Fla. - A teacher at a Collier County school is facing backlash from parents after they showed a video celebrating "Confederate History Month" to the entire school.

The video aired as part of the morning announcements on Tuesday at Manatee Middle School, according to a district spokesperson.

"If you didn't know, April is an officially celebrated month here in the State of Florida named Confederate History Month," the teacher said in the video.

The school district wouldn't identify who the teacher is but said they are investigating.

"Every year our state celebrates and memorializes that valiant, brave fight and the countless sacrifices by our men and women during that known as the Civil War," said the teacher in the video.

The teacher bills the video as a look into the state's recognition of Confederate History Month.

However, parents call this pro-Confederate propaganda.

"It was very biased seeming," said Casey Smith. "The confederacy, as far as I'm concerned, has always been a stain on American history."

"To me, it looks like straight out of a Confederate sympathizer playbook," said Annie O'Donnell.

At one point in the video, the teacher suggests a different name for the Civil War.

"[The] Civil War, but may be more correctly titled the War To Prevent Southern Independence," he said.

"No. It is the Civil War," responded Casey Smith. "It has always been called the Civil War."

Parents tell NBC2 they have no problem talking about slavery, the Civil War, or our nation's darkest days.

"Some of this actually sounds very accurate," Smith said.

The issue they have is with what the teacher made up and put in the video and in front of their child's faces.

"They spoke about celebrating the confederacy in the State of Florida," Smith said.

O'Donnell, whose kids don't go to Manatee Middle School, said it's important for kids to learn about our nation's history, but not in a way like this.

"Doing it accurately, holistically, fully," she said. "I would find it difficult to imagine that the students here are going to be able to trust this particular teacher again."

The State of Florida does recognize April as Confederate History Month. Several movements in recent years have failed. In Florida, the birthdays of Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis, along with Confederate Memorial Day are all considered state-legal holidays.

Collier County Public Schools said the instruction of Confederate History Month is not a part of the district's curriculum.

The district wouldn't identify who the teacher is, but a spokesperson did say they are still employed while the school investigates.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Florida, home to a leading GOP presidential candidate , celebrates Confederate History Month. One would think that the most popular governor in America could persuade his state to end this unpatriotic practice. 

Imagine though if a middle school teacher in Florida put up a video celebrating communism, DeSantis would be all over it the next day.

He claims that he only wants "patriotic " history taught in Florida schools, so why hasnt he condemned this teacher and Confederate History Month ? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago
Confederate History Month is commemorated every April in seven US states: Alabama, Florida , Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, and Virginia. The month is dedicated to remembering the history of the Confederate States of America and the lives lost during the Civil War. However, Confederate History Month is a controversial observance that sparks intense debate about its significance, impact on understanding the nation’s history, and implications on race relations in the United States.
 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

I can't find any commemorative event scheduled in VA this month.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1    3 years ago

They stopped in 2010 apparently.

State declarations [ edit ]

Although Confederate Memorial Day is a holiday in most Southern states, the tradition of having a Confederate History Month is not uniform. State governments that have regularly declared Confederate History Month are as follows:

Only Mississippi has officially declared April Confederate Heritage Month in 2022 and 2023. [5]

In 2022, four states: Alabama and Mississippi (April 25), North Carolina and South Carolina (May 10) still celebrate Confederate Memorial Day. [6]

Confederate History Month - Wikipedia

During my 5 years in SC, May 10 was like the opening day of hunting season in many season.

Multiple people missed work and were hungover the next day. Big picnics planned by the Daughters of the Confederacy at grave yards like Beaufort National Cemetary.

The loss is still palpable for many.

The irony is that todays residents are descended from carpetbaggers as all of the locals left 

Beaufort and settled in OK or TX during the "War between the States".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.1    3 years ago

According to the seeded article, which originates from a Florida television station, Florida still acknowledges Confederate History Month

The State of Florida does recognize April as Confederate History Month. Several movements in recent years have failed. In Florida, the birthdays of Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis, along with Confederate Memorial Day are all considered state-legal holidays.

I think maybe the governor stopped making proclamations at the start of April, but it appears it is still on the books as a recognized commemorated month by the state of Florida. Maybe DeSantis will clear it up for us. /s

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    3 years ago

If I remember right, the federal government still recognizes Columbus Day as a federal day off.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    3 years ago
According to the seeded article, which originates from a Florida television station, Florida still acknowledges Confederate History Month

Which aligns perfectly with what is in the Wiki link.

State governments that have regularly declared Confederate History Month are as follows:

Thanks...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.1    3 years ago

Kudos to those Floridian parents for getting involved in what was being taught to their children.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    3 years ago

The real history of the Civil War should be taught in schools, instead of the revisionist lies and untruths promoted in programs like CRT.

 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3    3 years ago

OMG. 

You are determined to double and triple down on nonsense. 

Please Greg, tell us the true history of the civil war as you see it. This ought to be good. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1.1  Hallux  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago

Good luck, a 40 year old list of history books about the Civil War numbers over 6,000 titles. Include biographies, novels and whatnot the list expands to 100,000 titles.

Putting that aside, history is inevitably revisionist by nature.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Hallux @3.1.1    3 years ago

Yes there many different perspectives about the American Civil War, which is one of the most written about periods in world history. 

Still, the general overall picture is quite clear.  The election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860 caused the southern slave states to come to a final conclusion - that northern politicians would not rest until slavery was brought to an end. Since ending slavery was a non starter in the south, the slave states seceded in order to protect their "right" to own human beings as property. This is crystal clear from contemporaneous documentation. This Florida teacher says that the war should have been called "The War To Prevent Southern Independence",  but why did they want independence? So they could continue to own human beings as slaves. 

I'm not sure Greg understands that. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 years ago

Yes, all of the issues that the southern states raised, link back to slavery.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 years ago

Oh, I understand it very well...I was commenting on the "the revisionist lies and untruths promoted in programs like CRT"

 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.4    3 years ago

Ok, tell us about the 'untruths and lies' about the Civil War that you have detected in CRT. 

Give us something beyond right wing talking points for once. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.6  Thomas  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.3    3 years ago

All of the reasons that the South wanted to secede go through the lens of slavery. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thomas @3.1.6    3 years ago

No shit?  Too big of an economic investment and people couldn't concieve of life with so many freed slaves among them.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.8  Thomas  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.7    3 years ago

Kind of like the current Republican Party.  Even got some of the same boogeymen.

All people are created equal. But believe me, we've still got plenty of Pigs.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thomas @3.1.8    3 years ago
Kind of like the current Republican Party.  

How much do repubs have invested in slavery?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.10  bugsy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.7    3 years ago
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Thomas
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3.1.11  Thomas  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.9    3 years ago
How much do repubs have invested in slavery?

I don't know.  I wouldn't think any nowadays, but you never know.  

Think oil. Think LGBTQ people.  Think colored people. Get back to me if you have a serious comment. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thomas @3.1.11    3 years ago
Think oil. Think LGBTQ people.  Think colored people.

Huh?

 
 
 
RU4Real
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3.1.13  RU4Real  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.4    3 years ago

Oh, like that "truthful" movie "Birth of a Nation" from the early 1900s?

There's real history and his-story.  

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.14  Thomas  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.12    3 years ago

You need it explained?

Oil- If the Republican party had adopted a more rational approach to changing the infrastructure over from oil to electricity we could now be leading the world in technology and manufacture of products to make and use electricity.  Instead,  the Republican party had to be dragged, kicking and screaming towards the goal and they are still fighting it thirty years on. Instead of thinking about what the future would look like, how much money there was to be made during and after the transition they still poo-poo most things environmental.  What a loss for the US economy. 

LGBTQ rights- The Republican party is dragging some states backwards, as if that Genie hadn't already left the lamp. They are actively trying to reduce human rights, period. LGBTQ are people.  That's right people, just like everybody else.  On here, I have witnessed people who are in full agreement with the belittling and demonizing of these people.  

Black Lives Matter... I  will just leave it there. I  am sure (?) that you can fill in the rest. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thomas @3.1.14    3 years ago

Do you have the mistaken impression that I'm a repub?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  RU4Real @3.1.13    3 years ago

Didn't President Woodrow Wilson have that shown in the WH and afterwards remark:

“It's like writing history with lightning. My only regret is that it is all so terribly true.” 
 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.17  Thomas  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.15    3 years ago

Actually, I was hoping in drawing you into a conversation.

You replied to my comment that all of the stated reasons the states gave can be seen as arising from slavery:

 Too big of an economic investment and people couldn't concieve of life with so many freed slaves among them.

To which I replied:

Kind of like the current Republican Party.  Even got some of the same boogeymen.

After your reply incorrectly insinuating that I claimed the Republican party was currently invested in slavery, I pointed out examples of the way that the Republican party of today did in fact have economic investments which they did not want to diminish and I drew parallels between the human rights of slaves and the way in which Republicans are trying to stuff the LGBTQ population back into the closet. 

Nowhere have I made any assumptions as to party affiliation. I think that the current political climate is a direct outcome of the two-party system and think that it should be dismantled with all due haste. At the very least, the two-party system should be removed from setting up elections and the determination of who can be considered electable. But right now I do not see that happening.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thomas @3.1.17    3 years ago
After your reply incorrectly insinuating that I claimed the Republican party was currently invested in slavery, I pointed out examples of the way that the Republican party of today did in fact have economic investments which they did not want to diminish and I drew parallels between the human rights of slaves and the way in which Republicans are trying to stuff the LGBTQ population back into the closet. 

I don't think there is much similar.  Slavery represented about half of the wealth in the South and 20% of the entire national wealth.  By 1860,it was deeply ingrained in the economic and social institutions there.  Today's Repub party is pandering to its current base on LGBTQ.  

I think that the current political climate is a direct outcome of the two-party system and think that it should be dismantled with all due haste. At the very least, the two-party system should be removed from setting up elections and the determination of who can be considered electable. 

What would you like to see in it's place?

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.3  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @3    3 years ago

You are babbling on about CRT which I doubt if you know anything about but have nothing to say about a teacher that showed this video to students celebrating the Confederacy.

Wonderful set of priorities you have, Greg.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4  Drinker of the Wry    3 years ago

Florida like several Southern state legislators, pandered to their base with this “celebration”.  I find April as the month selected as ironic since that the month that Richmond fell and most of the Confederate Armies surrendered.  As to the celebration, I haven’t found any public events scheduled in Florida, maybe it’s a private celebration.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4    3 years ago
According to  Florida statutes , Florida observes legal holidays such as celebrating Confederate leaders Robert E. Lee, whose birthday is January 19, and Jefferson Davis, whose birthday is June 3, as well as Confederate Memorial Day on April 26.

One if not the last Civil War battle fought in Florida was fought close to my home in Marion County Fl. ''The Marshall Plantation Raid'' was epic in more than one way. On March 7th, 1865 the 3rd Infantry (colored) left St. Augustine, FL and traveled via barge down the St. Johns River by night and hid in the swamps during the day finally landing at Fort Gates where they left the river and traveled by foot through the swamps for close to 40 miles and struck the Marshall Plantation which was one of the largest suppliers of sugar for the confederacy. 

Per Sgt. Henry S Herman, He wrote the squad captured “25 horses and mules, burnt a sugar mill with 85 barrels of sugar, about 300 barrels of syrup, a whiskey distillery, with a large amount of whiskey and rice, and started on their return, bringing along 95 colored persons, men, women and children, re-crossed the Oclawaha (sic) River, burning the bridge.”

Now with 95 freed slaves in tow, they headed 100 miles back to St.Augustine with the Confederate Home guard and Capt J.J. Dickison 2nd Calvary took up the chase as the raiding party neared protection at St. Augustine the 2nd Calvary was almost on them. At that point, 20 freed slaves stayed behind to distract the Confederates allowing the remain slaves, and the 3rd Infantry made it to the safety of St. Augustine. The 20 that stayed behind split up and led the Confederates deep into the swamps they reversed course and some made it to freedom in St. Augustine and the remainder were captured but were freed a few months later with the end of the Civil War. 

The 3rd Infantry (Colored) was presented with several awards for the daring raid hundreds of miles behind enemy lines.

Confederate Memorial Day falls on my birthday and for the last few years we celebrate the Marshall Plantation Raid with a party...

For more on this improbable raid,

To Succeed Where Others Failed: The Untold Story of the Marshall Plantation Raid by Bruce Seaman.

Bruce lives in Ocala and he and I have discussed this mostly unknown piece of history many times and have actually received permission to visit the site. The site is not open to the public to protect it for people that would destroy what little is left of it. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.1.1  pat wilson  replied to  Kavika @4.1    3 years ago

Is that our NT Bruce ?

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.2  Kavika   replied to  pat wilson @4.1.1    3 years ago
Is that our NT Bruce ?

No, it's not that Bruce pat, but Bruce from Missouri was a real historian on the Civil War.

This is the ''Battle Flag'' of the 3rd Infantry (Colored) the wording is excellent. The raid on the Marshall Plantation was planned by black troops and carried out by black troops there were no white officers or NCOs involved which was very unusual in the Civil War. 

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The record shows that one white soldier was with them and the speculation is that he had a special talent that none of the other troops did and the guess is that was the ability to guide a barge down the St. John River.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.1.3  pat wilson  replied to  Kavika @4.1.2    3 years ago

Thanks, Kavika. That raid is a great story.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4.1    3 years ago

Thanks Kavika.  I didn't know anything about this raid.  Very interesting.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5  Nerm_L    3 years ago

So, now liberals firmly believe that parents should have a say in their child's education?  Demand for neck braces will skyrocket with that kind of whiplash.

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.1  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @5    3 years ago

Were conservatives so foolish as to think there would be no backlash ... will demand for laxatives 'skyrocket' in their circles?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Hallux @5.1    3 years ago
Were conservatives so foolish as to think there would be no backlash ... will demand for laxatives 'skyrocket' in their circles?

A backlash was not only expected, a backlash was the desired result.  There's now common ground.  Schools cannot ignore the views or concerns of parents.  Both sides agree.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.2  Tacos!  replied to  Nerm_L @5    3 years ago
So, now liberals firmly believe that parents should have a say in their child's education?

Pretty sure most liberals don’t have a problem with parents having a say in their child’s education. Pointing out that the freak outs over CRT - to the point of anti-CRT legislation - is irrational and stupid, is not the same as saying parents have no say.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6  Tacos!    3 years ago
April is an officially celebrated month here in the State of Florida named Confederate History Month

Why? Why would that be desirable?

 
 
 
Gsquared
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6.1  Gsquared  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 years ago

It's not.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Gsquared @6.1    3 years ago

And yet it exists, apparently. Someone wanted it. And they don’t seem to be in a big hurry to get rid of it.

I looked it up. This isn’t some relic from the 1870s. Florida did this in 2007!

 
 
 
Gsquared
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6.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.1    3 years ago

It's an effort to disguise the truth.  The Civil War monuments on public land in the South were, almost without exception, not built in proximity to the Civil War, but rather, were erected in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, coinciding with the introduction of Jim Crow laws, and later in the 20th century as a reaction to the civil rights movement.  Confederate History Month is just another facet of the same impulse.

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.1.3  Kavika   replied to  Tacos! @6.1.1    3 years ago

A bill was brought up in the Florida legislature twice in the last three years to abolish it and has failed both times. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7  Gsquared    3 years ago

For a true and accurate assessment of the history of the Civil War, perhaps this quote from the Richmond Enquirer (Richmond, VA), April 15, 1856, provides the best insight:  

“In this country alone does perfect equality of civil and social privilege exist among the white population, and it exists solely because we have black slaves,” the Richmond Enquirer declared. “Freedom is not possible without slavery."

“Freedom is not possible without slavery."

Those who celebrate and promote the glory of the Confederacy must live with that.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Gsquared @7    3 years ago
“Freedom is not possible without slavery." Those who celebrate and promote the glory of the Confederacy must live with that.

The Richmond Enquirer was owned and operated by Thomas Ritchie. 

Democrats must live with that.  Unless the history of Democrats is sanitized and rewritten.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1    3 years ago

Your comprehension of the topic displays considerable confusion.  Democrats today generally do not celebrate the Confederacy.  Republicans do.  Republicans promote the myth of the glory of the Confederacy.

Furthermore, sanitizing and rewriting history are activities engaged in by Republicans.  The instances of that are numerous and well-documented.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.1    3 years ago
Your comprehension of the topic displays considerable confusion.  Democrats today generally do not celebrate the Confederacy.  Republicans do.  Republicans promote the myth of the glory of the Confederacy. Furthermore, sanitizing and rewriting history are activities engaged in by Republicans.  The instances of that are numerous and well-documented.

Any quotation from 1820 to about 1970 that extols slavery was more likely than not made by a Democrat.  The Democratic Party really was the party of slavery, segregation, and Jim Crow. 

It is rather amazing that those wanting a telling of the history of slavery completely ignore the prominent role of the Democratic Party in that history.

 
 
 
George
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7.1.3  George  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.1    3 years ago
Democrats today generally do not celebrate the Confederacy.  Republicans do.

That's unadulterated bullshit, demcrats to this day feel African Americans are inferior. And it's amazing how quickly they want to destroy history when it puts THEM in a bad light. What's wrong with preserving truthful history? Democrats are the party of slavery, the party of internment of the Japanese. the party of the klan, the party of racists.

 
 
 
George
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7.1.4  George  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1    3 years ago
Democrats must live with that.  Unless the history of Democrats is sanitized and rewritten.

Haven't you heard the mindless bleating of the sheep? they all became republicans. but the idiots can't name 5 prominent politicians who did so. Byrd died a democrat, as did Wallace and all the prominent democrats of the day. And Clinton and Biden will die democrats.

If you really want to confuse them, ask them why the south has become progressively less racist as republicans have taken over, and the Northern states progressively more racist now that democrats control them.

 
 
 
JBB
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7.1.5  JBB  replied to  George @7.1.4    3 years ago

Ever hear of Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrats?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  George @7.1.3    3 years ago

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George
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7.1.7  George  replied to  JBB @7.1.5    3 years ago

Everyone of them were democrats, and racist. the true history of the south.  then they moved North and turned these cities racist.

Most Racist Cities in America 2023 (worldpopulationreview.com)

Look at all the racists clustered in Illinois, i'm sure this shocks no one.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.1.8  Gsquared  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.2    3 years ago

Your story telling is fanciful.  Provide an example of a Democrat in 1970 who extolled slavery.

Everyone knows that the Democratic Party in the era of the Civil War was the prominent party that, in the South, supported slavery.  To suggest that it is ignored is false and ridiculous.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.1.9  Gsquared  replied to  George @7.1.3    3 years ago
demcrats to this day feel African Americans are inferior

That statement couldn't be more idiotic.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.1.10  Gsquared  replied to  George @7.1.4    3 years ago
Wallace

"In a 1995 interview, Wallace said that he planned to vote for Republican  Bob Dole  in the  1996 presidential election , commenting, "He's a good man.  His wife  is a  born-again Christian  woman and I believe he is, too." He also revealed that he had voted for  George H. W. Bush , another Republican, in  1992 ."

the south has become progressively less racist as republicans have taken over, and the Northern states progressively more racist now that democrats control them
That's unadulterated bullshit
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.9    3 years ago

Not just idiotic but downright stupidly moronic

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.12  Nerm_L  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.8    3 years ago
Your story telling is fanciful.  Provide an example of a Democrat in 1970 who extolled slavery.

George Wallace ran for President in 1972.

 
 
 
JBB
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7.1.13  JBB  replied to  George @7.1.7    3 years ago

Ever hear of Nixon's 72 Southern Strategy?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @7.1.13    3 years ago

Yeah, the "southern strategy" to win 60% of the vote and 49 states. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @7.1.13    3 years ago

He's heard of it but still has his fingers stuck in his ears

 
 
 
JBB
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7.1.16  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.12    3 years ago

In 1964 disaffected Southern racists supported Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat Party and in 1968 George Wallace's American Party. In 1972 Nixon won them over to the gop with his "Southern Strategy" of pandering to white racists...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @7.1.16    3 years ago
In 1964 disaffected Southern racists supported Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat Party 

You are off by 16 years.  This isn't hand grenades. Learn some basic history. 

 
 
 
George
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7.1.18  George  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.15    3 years ago

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George
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7.1.19  George  replied to  JBB @7.1.13    3 years ago

Yes, it was the republicans attempt to get democrats to stop being Piece of shit racists, the democrats who wanted to stay racist moved north, the rest became republicans and slowly made the south less racist than the north.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.20  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @7.1.16    3 years ago
In 1964 disaffected Southern racists supported Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat Party and in 1968 George Wallace's American Party. In 1972 Nixon won them over to the gop with his "Southern Strategy" of pandering to white racists...

Yep, the Dixiecrats split the Democratic Party in the south.  That opened the door for Republicans.  Old news.

If there are any doubts about where the Democratic Party came from; here's the electoral map for the 1952 election

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JohnRussell
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7.1.21  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  George @7.1.19    3 years ago

What you dont understand about your babbling -  racism is favored by one ideology, not one political party. This was shown clearly in the 1964 Civil Rights law vote in Congress, and it has been the same ever since. 

Conservatives opposed civil rights legislation , from both parties. Liberals and moderates from both parties supported the civil rights law. 

Tell me how many conservatives there are around and I can tell you, as a general principle, how racially prejudiced a place is. 

 
 
 
George
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7.1.22  George  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.9    3 years ago
That statement couldn't be more idiotic.

President Biden said, and i quote, talking about African American Women raising their own children.,  It's not that they don't want to do a good job, they just don't know what to do.

Democrats constantly tell us that minorities can't get ID's to vote, that we need quotas for hiring and that they need special rules to get into college, by definition that is racist and supported fully by democrats.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.23  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.21    3 years ago

To wit -  Do conservatives or liberals fly the confederate flag ? 

 
 
 
George
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7.1.24  George  replied to  George @7.1.18    3 years ago

[deleted] so i;m not sure how that is taunting, or stopping her from making snid comments about me. but then again i can understand why someone being called a democrat could be considered a taunt so go ahead.

 
 
 
George
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7.1.25  George  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.23    3 years ago

Racist democrats who the low functioning call republicans, 

 
 
 
George
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7.1.26  George  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.21    3 years ago

So illinois is over run with conservatives? it is the state with the most racist cities. 

which of these conservative strongholds of racism do you live in again?

  1. Waterloo -Cedar Falls, IA
  2. Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI
  3. Racine, WI
  4. Minneapolis-St. Paul, Bloomington, MN
  5. Peoria, IN
  6. Elmira, NY
  7. Decatur, IL
  8. Niles-Benton Harbor, MI
  9. Kankakee,   Illinois
  10. Fresno, CA
  11. Springfield, IL
  12. Trenton, NJ
  13. Danville, IL
  14. Rochester, NY
  15. Chicago, Naperville, and   Elgin , IL
 
 
 
George
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7.1.27  George  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.20    3 years ago

And which states are controlled by those same democrats now? Same places these cities are located?

  1. Waterloo -Cedar Falls, IA
  2. Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI
  3. Racine, WI
  4. Minneapolis-St. Paul, Bloomington, MN
  5. Peoria, IN
  6. Elmira, NY
  7. Decatur, IL
  8. Niles-Benton Harbor, MI
  9. Kankakee,   Illinois
  10. Fresno, CA
  11. Springfield, IL
  12. Trenton, NJ
  13. Danville, IL
  14. Rochester, NY
  15. Chicago, Naperville, and   Elgin , IL
 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.28  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @7.1.13    3 years ago
Ever hear of Nixon's 72 Southern Strategy?

Nixon's 72 Southern Strategy didn't hurt Jimmy Carter in 1976.  Democrats remained loyal to their roots.

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Eisenhower scared the crap out of Democrats in '52 and '56.  Democrats needed to become competitive in the north because they couldn't win elections with only the south.  Democrats never abandoned racial politics.  Democrats began singing a different tune but they continued to sing about race. 

 
 
 
George
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7.1.29  George  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.8    3 years ago
Provide an example of a Democrat in 1970 who extolled slavery.

How about in 1987? the future president from the democrat party.

In 1987, when her husband was governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton signed Act 116 that stated “The blue star above the word “ARKANSAS” is to commemorate the Confederate States of America.”

Democrat party have racism as part of their DNA.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.30  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  George @7.1.26    3 years ago

There are a lot of conservatives in Chicago. There are few that describe themselves as Republicans because the city is a one party town. 

How did they decide that Chicago is one of the most racist cities in America ?  Do you know? 

1. was the amount of police brutality towards minorities.  Virtually none of which is perpetrated by "liberals". 

2. was the amount of segregated neighborhoods -  again, not something perpetrated by liberals. Cities in the north are more segregated because when a massive number of blacks moved north they displaced "white" neighborhoods, and they were not allowed to rent or buy in certain neighborhoods, and they ended up pouring into the few neighborhoods where they were allowed and welcomed. Over a period of years the black population grew more and more and when they did move into white areas many if not all of the whites moved out.  All this has nothing to do with someone being a "liberal".  In the south, because the black population was always there and not migrants, the neighborhoods had more integration. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.31  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  George @7.1.25    3 years ago

LOL. You are tongue tied. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1.32  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.30    3 years ago
There are a lot of conservatives in Chicago.

Biden got 82% of the vote in chicago. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.1.33  Gsquared  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.12    3 years ago

George Wallace was a horrible racist, but can you provide a quote where he extolled slavery?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.34  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.32    3 years ago

A lot of conservative Democrats voted for Biden. Do you blame them? 

The idea that 82% of Chicago is progressive is insane. 

George posted from a site that says Chicago is one of the most racist cities in America.  I read the criteria. One of the items was police brutality toward minorities, and another was the amount of segregation in the city or town. 

Liberals and progressives do not commit police brutality, and liberals and progressives are not responsible for decades and decades of segregation. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.35  Nerm_L  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.33    3 years ago
George Wallace was a horrible racist, but can you provide a quote where he extolled slavery?

Nope, not without searching for one.  But you can do that without me.  I suggest using Bing to train the artificial intelligence.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1.36  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.34    3 years ago
t of conservative Democrats voted for Biden. Do you blame them? 

Just like a similar of number of Democrats voted for Obama, and Clinton. That makes them progressives. 

A "conservative Democrat" who votes for Obama, Clinton and Biden isn't conservative. 

A conservative couldn't vote for Biden. Radical progressivism isn't compatible with conservativism. 

erals and progressives do not commit police brutality, and liberals and progressives are not responsible for decades and decades of segregation. 

That might be the most preposterous thing you've ever claimed. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.37  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.36    3 years ago

Well, if you want to call the Daley family progressives give it your best shot. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.38  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.37    3 years ago
In the 1960s, then-Mayor Richard J. Daley’s administration began to address the dilapidated housing conditions of the city’s poorest and signed off on the construction of 165 high-rises managed by the Chicago Housing Authority that would house mainly Black Chicagoans. The developments were primarily clustered into six groups in addition to scattered sites with low-rise buildings and row houses.

These housing projects, as they became known, are represented by orange dots on the interactive map. The Near North Side’s Cabrini-Green complex at one time had 3,606 apartments. But the largest group of projects was the State Street corridor in the former Bronzeville Black Belt, which had a total of 7,938 units. The Robert Taylor Homes, located between 39th and 54th streets, had more than half of those apartments.

Public housing was intended to house a mix of working-class and poor families and was welcomed and enjoyed by new residents, according to early testimonies. But CHA maintenance began to fall off quickly, and by the 1980s the War on Drugs and mass incarceration created crises of crime and concentrated poverty in the densely populated towers of the Robert Taylor Homes, adjacent Stateway Gardens, and Cabrini-Green.

CHA high-rises were stigmatized by the city and the media, which portrayed them as vertical drug-ridden ganglands.

The construction of the Dan Ryan Expressway in the ’60s further “othered” the State Street corridor. The expressway was originally designed to run through Bridgeport, then Mayor Daley’s neighborhood, but the development was moved eight blocks to the east, installing a multi-lane barrier between Bridgeport and the Black Belt, literally cementing the segregation of Black and White communities.

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.1.39  bugsy  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.9    3 years ago
That statement couldn't be more idiotic.

Wait until you hear a black denounce the democratic plantation.

You will know what he is talking about.

You should already, though, since the same happens every single time.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1.40  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.37    3 years ago
you want to call the Daley family progressives give it your best shot. 

Of course they are, particularly the father.  Big supporter of the Great Society and LBJ. 

You seem to think his racism is somehow incompatible with progressivism, which is odd. 

 
 
 
George
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7.1.41  George  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.34    3 years ago

Yes they are, and way to cherry pick

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.1.42  Gsquared  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.35    3 years ago

So, you can't provide an example of any Democrat from 1970 who extolled slavery.  You can't, because there aren't any and your statement claiming there are is, of course, a fraud. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.43  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.40    3 years ago

The son

“Well, I’ll tell you this: President Bush is fond of the Mayor,” says Debra Anderson, deputy assistant to the President. The Republican President and the nominally Democratic Mayor have, in fact, had family get-togethers in the Oval Office; the President has sent Daley friendly, personal (publicly released) letters of congratulation and advice. The two had photos taken, arms draped across each other’s shoulders, smiling. This is tantamount to Richard J. Daley’s publicly embracing Richard Milhous Nixon.

"I think a very good case can be made that [Daley] has a very Republican approach to government," says Alderman Larry Bloom (Fifth Ward), the dean of the independent contingent in the City Council. "Just look at his policy record."

The Mayor has come out in favor of education voucher programs, which would give money to parents who chose to send their children to private schools; he’s wholeheartedly in support of privatizing city services-including, at some point that pillar of Regular Democrats’ power, garbage collection; he’s criticized the welfare system, lambasted “special-interest” groups, called for smaller government and lower taxes, and suggested that retired General Norman Schwarzkopf be put in charge of a no-holds-barred war on drugs The Republican National Party endorses all of these policies, in one form or another.

"Daley’s inaugural speech was an eye opener for us in the White House,” says James P. Pinkerton, deputy assistant to the President for policy planning. I’d say we’re pretty darn pleased.”

 
 
 
GregTx
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8  GregTx    3 years ago

Fuck off...

 
 
 
Kavika
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9  Kavika     3 years ago

What is amazing is that today's Republicans bring up the Democrats are the party of KKK and racists.  I find this argument pretty stupid because clearly that’s not what they support anymore, values change over time and some in the republican party still want that old trope to be true, sadly their inability to accept the changes in the two parties is beyond their grasp.

At the core of the effort to discredit the current Democratic Party is the refusal to accept the realignment of the party structure in the mid-20th century.

It started with the New Deal then Truman integrating the military but the actions of Lyndon B. Johnson in the 1960s with the Voting Rights Act and civil rights completed the change.

As the Dems introduced legislation to improve rights blacks left the republican party and switched to the dems which is where we are at today.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @9    3 years ago

You've heard of alternate facts? These people live in an alternate reality. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10  Trout Giggles    3 years ago
Parents tell NBC2 they have no problem talking about slavery, the Civil War, or our nation's darkest days.

Really? Then what was all that bitching about last fall?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago
You and I know that that’s extremely difficult to do where our newspapers are owned by out-of-state interests. Newspapers which are run and operated by left-wing liberals, Communist sympathizers, and members of the Americans for Democratic Action and other Communist front organizations with high sounding names.

However, we will not be intimidated by the vultures of the liberal left-wing press. We will not be deceived by their lies and distortions of truth. We will not be swayed by their brutal attacks upon the character and reputation of any honest citizen who dares stand up and fight for liberty.

George Wallace

 
 

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