Trans Kids Playing Sports ‘Women’s Issue Of Our Time,’ Nikki Haley Says
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Trans Kids Playing Sports ‘Women’s Issue Of Our Time,’ Nikki Haley Says
Nick Visser 3-3 minutes 6/5/2023
Republican 2024 presidential hopeful Nikki Haley said Sunday that keeping transgender kids from playing on school sports teams was the “women’s issue of our time” during a CNN town hall event.
Haley, a former governor of South Carolina and U.S. ambassador to the U.N., has made the comment before , but her rhetoric Sunday plays into the Republican Party’s ongoing assault against transgender Americans . GOP lawmakers have made anti-LGBTQ legislation a key focus of the 2024 race, including the sports team plans and efforts to limit access to medically necessary health care for trans youth.
“How are we supposed to get girls used to the fact that biological boys are in their locker rooms?” Haley asked during the event, attempting to link the idea with the prevalence of teen suicide among young girls. “We should be growing strong girls, confident girls.”
A recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report found an increased level of suicide risk among teen girls, but there is no evidence to suggest the inclusion of trans athletes on sports teams contributes.
In fact, more than 40% of transgender and nonbinary young people in the U.S. have seriously considered suicide, according to recent findings from the Trevor Project. The group also found that two-thirds of that group say ongoing efforts to restrict freedoms for LGBTQ people have had a negative impact on their mental health.
Moderator Jake Tapper pressed Haley on her comments, and she said the country needed “to take care of these kids” and be “humane” in discussions about trans issues. But she said the discussion about inclusion on sports teams — an issue driven by Republicans — had “overtaken the entire conversation, and that’s not fair to the rest of our kids.”
“I want everybody to live the way they want to live,” she said. “But stop pushing your views on everybody else.”
There are currently nearly 500 bills targeting queer Americans before lawmakers during the 2023 legislative session, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Those include efforts to limit how teachers can discuss sexuality and gender identity , and attempts to ban drag shows .
Thats like saying early onset baldness is the men's issue of our time.
Considering how much money many men spend fighting baldness; you would get blow back on that statement.
Also, you aren't a woman. You don't get a say in what is the "Women's Issue Of Our Time". Your male privilege is showing.
Why are mostly old, white, Democrat males trying so hard to replace CIS girls and women?
Control your imagination please.
It seems to be an issue for millions of real biological women (adult females) and parents with daughters.
The left seems to be all in on this issue of pretending that biological men are somehow to be considered to be "women" They seem to be willing to go down to defeat come election time, because the vast majority of normal people reject this foolish notion.
Meanwhile, the insanity continues....
Pregnant Transgender Man Gets Backlash Over Glamour UK Pride Issue: “I’m A Pregnant Man, And I’m Trans” (msn.com)
I think there is a catch 22/vicious circle element to this subject. The more trans issues are in the news every day , the more the conservatives think trans is being shoved down their throat. The more conservatives overreact to trans people the more liberals think they need to fight against the resulting oppression. and back and forth seesaw.
Spoken like a true leftist shill.
The more Democrats try to cram the trans agenda/indoctrination down everyone's throats the more blowback there will be. The more leftists misrepresent the bills that are being passed the more blowback there will be.
Only loons believe that boys should be allowed to compete in girls sports; that drag queens and cross dressers should be able to perform their routines in front of children; and that public schools are the first avenue for pushing the LQBQT+ agenda at a very young age.
I dont approve of trans playing girls sports.
However, this may be the price of providing equal rights for transgender people, and anyway it is a minute problem, blown out of all proportion by right wing media.
I am happy with letting courts decide whether or not trans can compete in girls sports.
That's not the worst of it, there are people making excuses and trying to justify a 17 year old male beating a 15 year old girl just because he wears a dress.
At the expense of the rights of biological females in sports and feeling comfortable in the restrooms..
How about the trans have their own sports and bathrooms?
"How do you know what I believe?"
What problem with providing equal rights for transgender people? They're PEOPLE
Most people don't. Most people are intelligent enough to understand how silly that is.
I don't think so.
I'd agree with that.
But I think it's true with lots of issues.
The more Trump was in the news every day, the more liberals thought the world was coming to an end.
Media outlets love a bit of hysteria. There's a lot of money in it.
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Nikki Haley discussing trans girls in kids sports: "How are we supposed to get our girls used to the fact that biological boys are in their locker room. And then we wonder why a third of our teenage girls seriously contemplated suicide last year."
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Imagine talking the incredibly serious problem of millions of teen girls who attempt or contemplate suicide, with all that we know about many of the root causes, and trying to blame a tiny handful of trans people for it. This is the Republican Party.
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I would have thought that abortion rights were a more important woman's issues these days.
That is not the reason millions of teen girls attempt or contemplate suicide - due to trans girls in kids sports or trans people anywhere - for fucks sake
The obvious solution is to abolish school sports.
Never happen.
Parents will never allow it. Many have more invested than their children do in school sports.
Schools will never allow it because of all the money they make selling jerseys, tickets, concessions, and boosters. At the college level tv contracts come into play. No one is going to give up the money.
The idea that abolishing school sports could ever be considered a "solution" is insane.
The obvious solution is to abolish gender based sports. Let those of equivalent levels play against each other, no reason to separate based on sex, separate based on ability.
And everybody gets a trophy of course. Can't imagine how cost prohibitive that would be.
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Are those still a thing? Doesn’t seem very inclusive.
You understand that this already exists, correct???? Many sports are already separated by equivalent levels, within the separations of sex.
[deleted] You don't feel that women have the ability to compete with men in any sport? You feel that men will always beat women?
You don't feel that biological men have an unfair advantage over biological women in the majority of sports at least 90% of the time?
How do you explain the biological male that ranks about 100 in men's sports and top 5 when competing against biological females?
The issue is SCHOOL sports. School performance isn't measured by sports. There aren't standardized tests for sports. Tax money spent on sports doesn't contribute to school performance.
If schools are supposed to avoid competition in classrooms then competitive sports doesn't have a place in schools. Leveling the playing field negates the purpose of competitive sports.
Perhaps you should read my 1st comment in this section before making stupid comments that go against what I said.
So? Many school sports are already separated by abilities.
Apple meet orange.
What????? It does just the opposite.
Perhaps I was responding to what you specifically said in 4.2.5. If I wanted to respond to 4.2 I would have. Not my problem if you are inconstant with your comments.
That is a truly ignorant solution.
The REALLY obvious solution is to allow students to participate in sports according to what sex they are born as.
You know, like it always was before some people decided males should be allowed to compete against girls.
Yes, most schools have tryouts for teams and the better players are usually selected.
But that really doesn't have anything to do with males playing against females.
Thank you for assuring that women will never get an athletic scholarship or a varsity letter. But hey Billy in a dress is a sure in.
Not my problem if you refuse to read a comment before replying to it.
[deleted] You really think women are that inferior to men?
That is an asinine comment.
Do you really think women are equal to men in terms of physicality?
Do you think teenage girls commit suicide because they are distraught that biological boys are allowed to compete in girls sports?
Keep deflecting. It is better than answering the questions
Straight to the name calling. Cool.
Sure-fire sign of a weak or non-existent argument.
I have not seen studies about it. Do you think people that are considering suicide should get professional help?
Maybe teenage girls commit suicide because they are afraid of getting raped and forced to give birth?
Just another lame attempt to say Trans feelings are more important than biological women's feelings.
Inferior? no, different yes! I'm going to leave these here for anyone who wants to actually know the truth, about real men and real women competing, not what some female impersonator can do.
Men's World Records - Track & Field News (trackandfieldnews.com)
Women's World Records - Track & Field News (trackandfieldnews.com)
I thought I would add this for reference. The qualifying time for a male athlete is 3/10 of a second faster than that of the female world record.
What Is a Good Time for the 100-Meter Dash?
Unless one is a trained athlete, a fast person can sprint the 100-meter dash at a speed of 15.9 mph, which takes anywhere between 13 to 14 seconds, according to The Telegraph. Professional athletes are held to a higher standard, and the qualifying time for the London Olympics was 10.18 seconds for the men’s race and 11.29 seconds for the women’s race.
What Is a Good Time for the 100-Meter Dash? (reference.com)
Yes. Because appeal to emotion is all they have. There is no basis in fact to justify a male declaring they are now a woman. Even academics are being threatened to the point they need security to give lectures on the subject.
“Men Wouldn’t Go Along With This!” Professor Kathleen Stock On Oxford Union Trans Uproar - YouTube
I just read an article about a college student getting a zero on a paper because she included the term "biological woman" in her paper.
I'll post the article shortly, but isn't that weird?
I considered the following: What college? Is it liberal, conservative, religious, etc? IOW, is this college concerned with opening minds or closing them?
Then I asked the same questions about the professor.
I find it unacceptable that anyone has to preface the word woman with biological. I haven't really thought about what to call the males saying they are women or if it is even a worthwhile effort to find a label for them.
It was the University of Cincinnati.
I don't have any idea whether it is considered a liberal school or not, nor do I find that particularly relevant to what the professor did.
I just refuse to accept that 'biological women' is in any way offensive.
It is not offensive. But truly there are only two sexes male and female. Trans people are either biologically male or female regardless of what new labels that they can require be applied to them.
When the trans fully "transitions" then they are legally classified as male or female - not trans male or trans female.
People are making this issue far more complicated than it has to be - but some people seem to gain personal satisfaction creating or maintaining conflict. Or maybe that is the only way that anyone ever notices them. Humans need validation from others on some level to be mentally healthy. It is possible that some of the people creating the most dissension are needing to feel validated.
I agree.
Another reasoned discussion. Peter Boghossian touches on the subject of there is zero scientfic evidence to back the trans claims that they are really a different gender than their biological one. He talks about how to intelligently discuss the trans claims. He also "asserts the ideology is too idiotic to sustain itself".
Peter Boghossian SLAMS Kathleen Stock Oxford Union protests: 'What a STAIN on the institution!' - YouTube
Your comment is idiotic and simply wrong. I said nothing of the sort.
Bullshit, plain and so simple to see for most of us.
That is a cheap tactic to use in a discussion.
Trying to put words in a persons mouth and expecting them to defend something they never said seems to be a common strategy of some people when they need to divert from the actual comment because they can't actually refute it.
It seems easier for the folks who employ such slimy tactics to debate what they invent than what we say.
Really?
Which organized sports would those be at the high school and college levels?
If you are talking about amateur organized events that is completely different. If you are talking about major and minor leagues in baseball, basketball, and hockey that is also different. Those people aren't competing for college scholarships.
Took two whole days to get my demerit?
Don’t feel bad, my account said up for suspension for 5 days, than on the 31st at 11:55 pm the suspension started.
The importance given to this utterly inconsequential topic flabbergasts me.
Trans advocates and anti trans advocates are co-dependent.
Is that what you say to all the females that think it is an important topic?
I, personally, don't think transwomen should be allowed to play women's sports but is it more important than forcing 10 year old girls to have their rapists' babies? Probably not.
Deflection alert
It's not deflection. The article claims the “women’s issue of our time”. I'm saying it's not that important. There are very few transwomen that try to compete in sports. Every CIS woman on the planet is a 10 year old girl at some point and they are all vulnerable to rapists.
I didn't know it was a competition as to which was more important. Since you seemed concerned with the numbers I would suggest there are more trans women in sports than there are 10 year old girls that have been forced to have their rapists child.
You can blame Lia Thomas and others of his ilk. Do you agree with the views of Riley Gaines?
And she even checks a couple boxes that so many on the left feel is so important.
Haley/Scott or vice versa, watching the left make fools of themselves explaining how the aren’t black or female would be hysterical.
Now that is entertainment!
The trans issue is also making political and social waves in Britain.
Below is a video link to an interview with a person that has lived with gender dysphoria all of their life. It is a thoughtful discussion about this person's views on being fair to kids, trans people and women.
Transgender THREAT to women 'the biggest since the Suffragettes movement' claims Oli London - YouTube
I understand the concerns - and even agree with some of them - but the hysteria over this is far out of proportion to the actual incidence. This is not some huge national issue that requires the full attention of the next President of the United States. Unfortunately, it can be politically profitable to demonize and scapegoat a tiny minority that lacks the ability to defend itself.
Someone said on tv today that there are less than 100 "boys" competing as girls in high school sports in the entire country.
And probably one percent of that small number actually competes at a level that indicates an unfair advantage. Not saying that’s ok or it should be ignored, but I will say no one should be running for president on that issue.
The "womens issue of our times" ?
I think not.
I thought you were against men telling women what is important to them.
www.newsweek.com /how-many-transgender-athletes-play-womens-sports-1796006
How many transgender athletes are in the U.S.?
Of the estimated 332 million citizens living in the United States, 1.3 million adults and 300,000 youth ages 13 to 17 identify as transgender, equaling half a percent and 1.4 percent of the population respectively, according to a report published by Williams Institute, a think tank at UCLA's Law School in 2022.
Not all transgender people identify as women, and an even smaller number consists of transgender women hoping to compete in girls' and women's sports.
Privacy laws make it tough to identify the exact number of transgender athletes competing in public school sports, but researcher and medical physicist Joanna Harper estimates the number can't exceed 100 nationwide.
"While we don't know the exact number of trans women competing in NCAA sports, I would be very surprised if there were more than 100 of them in the women's category," Harper told Newsweek .
One hundred transgender athletes would comprise an incredibly small number of the U.S. population, and the number dwindles even further when it comes to middle school and high school athletes.
In other words In lieu of any actual data or facts I will just pull a number out of my ass that promotes my narrative."
Do you keep a lot of numbers in your ass ?
Nice try
Just the Roman numerals ...
You're right, we shouldnt listen to someone who studies the issue for a living, we should listen to ignoramuses on internet forums. /s
But, go ahead and give us your guess.
This is, at least, an ass well educated and experienced in the subject. i.e.: an expert.
Some people would have the rest of us believe that athletic, predatory trans women are lurking behind every bush, just ready to pounce on some helpless state record.
Just because someone is an expert does not mean they do not have a narrative to promote. If I only had a dollar for every expert they had on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX that parroted what the station wants them to I would be rich enough to own a penthouse in NYC.
I would go with the experts first statement, there is no way to tell. Where is her actual data to support the second statement other than her feeling?
It does mean she probably didn’t just pull it out of her ass.
And even if it is an estimate, with her credentials, I trust whatever comes out of her ass more than anything you might say to dismiss it.
And I don't. Given todays climate when I hear what an expert has to say I always take it with a big grain of salt. A pile of salt if no actual data or study is in their comment. If I care or am interested in the comment or subject I will research it further to try and gain more than one persons opinion or perspective, even if they are considered an expert. Especially since the title of expert seems to be given out in Cracker Jacks boxes at the current time.
But you be you.
You said,
But she said,
There’s a big difference between “no way to tell” and “we don’t know the exact number.” For example, we don’t know the exact number of guns in America, but experts are supremely confident that they outnumber people. For that matter, we don’t know the exact number of people, but we can make an educated guess that is useful.
They reference a report. You could try reading it.
There were, in 2021, 3.24 million girls taking part in high school sports. I looked it up. The expert "estimates" that there are fewer than 100 trans taking part in those sports.
These are, I'm sure, approximations.
If the ones here who are heart set on acting as if trans are overwhelming girls sports, let them put up some relevant facts or shut the fuck up.
Im sick and tired of people who are too lazy to post anything but whining being so prominent on this forum.
So how many did the report say there were?
Im sick and tired of people who are too lazy to post anything but whining being so prominent on this forum.
I agree. The ones that post bullshit "proof" of their wild ass conjectures are even worse. Their mind is closed to anything trying to get through their partisan bubble.
Ditto except tired of people who are so obsessed with a particular individual that they inundate the forum with pissing and moaning about a single person they can't control..........as well as trying to change the minds of those who don't think like they do. We both have the option to leave but I am not such a candyass that I let the former bother me. I just laugh ..........................
I’m done reading for you. Educate yourself or don’t. I’m not your mom.
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You could have just said there is no number in the report you accused me of not reading. Oooops
Dont be under the misperception that the rest of us dont laugh at you guys.
lol
Curious as to what you think gives you the authority to tell anyone to shut the fuck up?
You seem to be confused as to who consistently makes statements and has nothing credible to support them.
Who is this "us" and how did you become your spokesperson?
I just laugh
And they take themselves so seriously. I have to admit they are more entertaining than anything on tv.
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There are three genders.
. Male
. Female
. Wackadoodels
I consider myself a male
My wife considers me a wackadoodle
Does that make me a maleadoodle?
All I want to know is where are the "Feminists" who have sold out their sisters?