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Trump To Be Indicted For Federal Crimes Next Tuesday

  
By:  John Russell  •  3 years ago  •  179 comments


Trump To Be Indicted For Federal Crimes Next Tuesday
 

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Donald Trump has been told to appear before a federal court next Tuesday where he will be indicted for conspiracy and obstruction of justice. 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    3 years ago

About time

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago

I figured this would never happen since Biden and Pence both had classified documents and that would be seen as equivalent to what Trump did to the naive general public.

A bit surprising, but this is important.   PotUS' engaging in bad behavior need to be held accountable.

The key accountability, however, remains holding Trump accountable for his Big Lie campaign due to the horrible precedent that it set.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.1    3 years ago

I think as time went on the evidence became too overwhelming. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 years ago

Certainly.   But I could easily see sitting on it due to the optics as seen by the (apparently largely) naive public.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.3  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1.1    3 years ago
A bit surprising, but this is important.

historic.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.4  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @1.1    3 years ago

Imo that comes down to turning them over or refusing and calling them his.

Two wrongs don't make a right but refusing to cooperate holds sway imo.

I think part of it may had to do with that audio recording. I never heard it but from what I gather it didn't sound to good for him.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.2    3 years ago

It is extremely likely the evidence is overwhelming. Federal prosecutors have a 99% conviction rate on cases that actually go to trial. 

Trump will need to pray for a MAGA jury. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.6  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.5    3 years ago

lock him up in the meantime...

he's a flight risk...

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.7  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.5    3 years ago

I read a strange article the other day stating they were looking into something about how there was a flood in the security room of Mar a Largo, plus they were draining the pool for some unknown reason.

Conspiracy maybe yet this whole thing is bizarre.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.5    3 years ago

I wonder if any of the evidence will be recognized as such by those who —to this day— refuse to even acknowledge wrongdoing by Trump.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Ender @1.1.7    3 years ago

trump's obstruction in the classified documents case occurred in florida and the federal indictment had to be issued there.

the flooding story is probably a cover for destroying the video evidence that was subpoenaed by jack smith.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.10  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.8    3 years ago

no, it's "witch hunt" by the deep state...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.11  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.8    3 years ago

For six years we've been hearing that Trump has never been indicted. Now that he is indicted we will hear he has never been convicted. Once he is convicted we will hear he is appealing the verdict so we shouldnt rush to judgement. Once the appeals are used up we will hear it was all a plot by the Deep State, and that Trump was not found guilty in a "legitimate" court of law.  

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.12  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.8    3 years ago

I agree with you though. It will be Biden needs to be arrested too.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.11    3 years ago

You still do not get it that indicted does not always equal convicted. Tell me when he is actually convicted.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.14  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.13    3 years ago

Skip all the other bullshit and go straight to "it's the deep state at work". 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.15  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.14    3 years ago

I don't believe in the so called "deep state", so why would I go to it? Please state where I ever have said I did if you can.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.16  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.11    3 years ago

... as you predicted. ↑↑↑

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.17  CB  replied to  devangelical @1.1.3    3 years ago

It is IMPORTANT. But guess who is yesterday and today (evening show) on News Nation's CUOMO talking about how unfair Donald Trump is being treated? Yep, you got him the first try: Alan Dershowitz. 

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That professor claims to be a voting liberal but a "dutiful" defender of the constitution, while once again standing in the 'dark' corner of the devil's marauder: Donald J. Trump. Count on liberal Alan to run blocking strategies on behalf of the biggest liar and political louse in this country, in five, four, three, two, . . . .

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
1.1.18  CB  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.8    3 years ago

Sadly, this is all to reminiscent of the minority/black experience in this country where a black person in the right could not convince a court, a jury, a public to help get a proper ("righteous") win. That is, it reminds me of the time in this country when, "White is right; Black stay back!" except now, it's "Conservatives is right; liberals stay back!"

Republicans have understood and are all in on the fine 'art' of denying the (proper) two hand clasp or clap; absence from the 'two to tango' dance routines; not showing up for team practice!

Indeed, their intentions and goals are to frustrate democrats and liberals each opportunity they can do so. Right or wrong.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
1.1.19  CB  replied to  CB @1.1.17    3 years ago

Watch out for Alan Dershowitz, he is actually during television interviews "CUOMO" where he is telling the host (in so many words), he, Alan Dershowitz, will get Donald Trump out of legal bind he is in-when the time comes. That is not justice, that is a professorial lawyer promising to use the justice system to get a CROOK out of jeopardy and his crimes.

Watch and see for yourselves!

 
 
 
TOM PA
Freshman Silent
1.1.20  TOM PA  replied to  devangelical @1.1.6    3 years ago

I've said this before.  Immediately upon indictment take 45 into custody fa a period of no less than 7 but no more than 10 days for a through physical, emotional and mental evaluation to see if he is able to stand the rigors of a trial.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.21  devangelical  replied to  TOM PA @1.1.20    3 years ago

I wouldn't offer trump or his attorneys any additional opportunities for further delays. he needs to be treated like any other person that has put themselves in this same predicament. he needs to be arraigned and held in confinement as a flight risk until his trial.

 
 
 
TOM PA
Freshman Silent
1.1.22  TOM PA  replied to  devangelical @1.1.21    3 years ago

My thinking is this.  If they use the findings as some form of delay it will have to be a recorded into evidence and possible public revue.  45 could no longer boast of being in good health, a stable genius or some other superlative.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.11    3 years ago

You're good at this, John. You know exactly what they will say next

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.24  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.23    3 years ago

Experience. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.25  devangelical  replied to  TOM PA @1.1.22    3 years ago

you're preaching to the choir. there's at least 40 million voters that will never be convinced that POS is an incompetent, narcissistic, lunatic...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
About time

Agreed.  It will be interesting to see the exact charges.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2    3 years ago

Yes, it will. Meanwhile I'm sitting here trying not to speculate or offer an uninformed opinion (tho I am gleefully wringing my hands)

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.1    3 years ago

it was a big day yesterday. the biggest religious scam artist in history goes tits up, and the most self serving asshole in the free world gets an invitation to a federal nursing home for seditious traitors.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.2.3  JBB  replied to  devangelical @1.2.2    3 years ago

original

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  author  JohnRussell    3 years ago

www.foxnews.com   /politics/former-president-trump-says-has-been-indicted

Former President Trump says he has been indicted

Brooke Singman 2-2 minutes   6/8/2023


Former President Trump says he has been indicted on federal charges that emerged out of   Special Counsel Jack Smith’s   months-long investigation.

"The corrupt Biden Administration has informed my attorneys that I have been Indicted, seemingly over the Boxes Hoax, even though Joe Biden has 1850 Boxes at the University of Delaware, additional Boxes in Chinatown, D.C., with even more Boxes at the University of Pennsylvania, and documents strewn all over his garage floor where he parks his Corvette, and which is "secured" by only a garage door that is paper thin, and open much of the time," Trump said on Truth Social.

Smith was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland in November 2022 to investigate Trump’s alleged improper retention of classified records at his   Mar-a-Lago home.

The Justice Department had been   investigating   the matter after the FBI conducted an unprecedented raid on his private residence in August 2022.

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/12/686/384/TRUMP-2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 2x" > https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/12/1344/756/TRUMP-2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 2x" > https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/12/1862/1046/TRUMP-2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 2x" > https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/12/1440/810/TRUMP-2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 2x" > TRUMP-2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Donald Trump is the first former president to be indicted on criminal charges.   ( SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images))

Brooke Singman is a Fox News Digital politics reporter. You can reach her at Brooke.Singman@Fox.com or @BrookeSingman on Twitter.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

I didn't think a person was actually indicted until a grand jury handed down a true bill. Has that actually been done?

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3  Ronin2    3 years ago

The law either applies to everyone or no one.

Democrats have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it should now apply to no one.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @3    3 years ago

I dont believe Jack Smith is a Democrat. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago

Of course Jack Smith is a Democrat!!! A good republican would never do that to his King!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @3    3 years ago

I think all of his supporters should send him all of their assets for his 2024 POTUS campaign. /s

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @3.2    3 years ago

He has already sent out fund raising e mails off this news. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2.2  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    3 years ago

he can use the proceeds to by lots of ramen, velveeta, and one of those TV's with a transparent case.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2.3  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    3 years ago

shaking down the suckers one more time...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.2.4  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    3 years ago
He has already sent out fund raising e mails off this news.

You would hardly expect him to miss the opportunity.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.2.5  CB  replied to  devangelical @3.2    3 years ago

Emphatically! Just like Kars For Kids commercial says: "Donate [cars, sea craft, houses, buildings, land, ____ ] today!"

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Ender
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4  Ender    3 years ago

And he still lies about shit. Let him testify, he will bury himself.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @4    3 years ago

TV legal pundit Dan Abrams says they are throwing the book at Trump. He will be indicted for every charge they were considering. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
4.1.1  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    3 years ago

Now I wonder if his supporters will double down or move on to trump jr.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Ender @4.1.1    3 years ago

I'm going to have a lot of fun here tomorrow...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
5  CB    3 years ago

Donald Trump is a political reprobate. He seems to love fighting "the man"-whom he once WAS (and he was a reprobate then too). Good for him. Let him go to court and maybe afterwards go away.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
5.1  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @5    3 years ago
Donald Trump is a political reprobate.

I'm not sure you needed the adjective in that sentence.

Let him go to court and maybe afterwards go away.

I'd just be happy with "away".  Court is fine, but if he wants to flee to Ecuador or something, I personally don't care as long as it's "away". Maybe he could go to St. Helena like Napoleon.

 
 
 
Kavika
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6  Kavika     3 years ago

Perhaps Trump can borrow Billy Joel's song ''Innocent Man''....I can see him now waddling into the court room singing  ''Innocent Man''...

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
7  Hallux    3 years ago

The happiest man in the world is .... Ron DeSantis.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
7.1  Ender  replied to  Hallux @7    3 years ago

Just had to bide his time...

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @7.1    3 years ago

Don't underestimate the stupid tenacity of MAGA (and those who allow them their power).

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.2  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.1    3 years ago

let them try to walk across this legal quicksand...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  devangelical @7.1.2    3 years ago

Reality is not an issue ... anything undesirable is merely believed to be fake.

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.1.4  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.3    3 years ago

hurry tuesday...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

Hmm.  I seem to remember recent precedent where the DOJ ignored  the mishandling of classified documents by a former government official.

oh that’s right. That’s the precedent when a democrat  is being investigated by a democratic DOJ…

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    3 years ago

We'll hook you up with James Comey and he can explain it to you. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    3 years ago

Comey doesn’t need to explain that Hillary’s a democrat. 

there’s no rational argument for indicting trump for mishandling classified information and not Hillary.  Comey said the standard was Hilary had to trying to help a foreign adversary in order to be indicted   I await proof trump was.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.1.2  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.1    3 years ago

Wow. The old "every tub should stand on its own feet" is now trying to get SPECIAL PLEADING to let a 'flawed man' named Donald Trump off the hook.

How about Trump just giving up the documents to their suitable owners (the federal government) without officials having to put on knee pads and getting down on their knees?

This could have gone away without any of this. But here is yet another conservative defending a jerk-jerk's Jerk.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.3  devangelical  replied to  CB @8.1.2    3 years ago

he brought this all upon himself...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
8.1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.1    3 years ago
there’s no rational argument for indicting trump for mishandling classified information and not Hillary.

I'd take that 2-for-1 deal.

Maybe they could share a cell.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.1    3 years ago

All righty then...get Hillary and maybe she and Donald can share a cell

I never liked her and think she's corrupt beyond all possible corruptness but she's never been indicted and that's probably an oversight on somebody's part

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @8.1.4    3 years ago

should have read your comment first

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
8.1.7  SteevieGee  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.1    3 years ago

Your boy Trump promised to lock Hillary up Sean.  He either lied about that or failed or maybe it was an 8 year plan.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  SteevieGee @8.1.7    3 years ago

I want to call it a failure...because he's a failure

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
8.1.9  SteevieGee  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.8    3 years ago

Yeah, I think he tried.  Trouble is, courts of law aren't voters.  You actually have to have some evidence.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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8.1.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  SteevieGee @8.1.9    3 years ago

Exactly, that’s why you never see wrong convictions.  Although that’s not likely here.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
8.1.11  SteevieGee  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @8.1.10    3 years ago

You saying a conviction here would be wrong?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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8.1.12  Igknorantzruls  replied to  SteevieGee @8.1.11    3 years ago

of course he is

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.2  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    3 years ago

oh yeah, all 4 cases are exactly equal, aren't they sean? thanks for stating the expected false equivalency.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @8.2    3 years ago

He's talking about Hillary Clinton. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
8.2.2  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.1    3 years ago

I never would have said the FBI was on Hillary's side, maybe it is just me.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.2.3  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.1    3 years ago

it doesn't matter, it's trump's obstruction that makes this case.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.2.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @8.2.2    3 years ago

Obama's DOJ ignored  intent standard in  the espionage  statute and created a new one out of thin air to avoid charging her. If that's not "on her side", I don't know what is. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
8.2.5  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2.4    3 years ago

The FBI came out two weeks before the election making claims about Clinton and saying they were going to look into her again or something.

Doesn't sound like being on her side to me.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.2.6  devangelical  replied to  Ender @8.2.5    3 years ago

his story has more holes than a block of swiss cheese.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
8.2.7  Ender  replied to  devangelical @8.2.6    3 years ago

Seriously though, I don't think the agency liked her at all.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.2.8  devangelical  replied to  Ender @8.2.7    3 years ago

it's a conservative stronghold in the federal law enforcement bureaucracy, no matter what the maga trash claim...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.9  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @8.2.7    3 years ago

The NY FBI office leaked the information about Anthony Weiner's laptop. They were Trumpsters. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.10  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.9    3 years ago
The NY FBI office leaked the information about Anthony Weiner's laptop.

There’s very little evidence that the FBI was biased in any way against President Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign. The sole piece of evidence that Trump relies on for this allegation is a series of private texts between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, but there’s no evidence at all that their private views ever affected any of their actions.

Just the opposite is true for the FBI’s New York office, which obviously harbored considerable animus toward Hillary Clinton and just as obviously took concrete steps to help Trump. Here’s a short version of the evidence:

1. The Nunes Revelation

A few days ago, Rep. Devin Nunes admitted something he had never acknowledged before: In late September 2016,  New York FBI agents told him about the existence of Anthony Weiner’s laptop , which eventually led to the Comey letter of October 28.

2. The Giuliani Whisper Campaign

On October 26,  Rudy Giuliani boasted to Fox News’ Martha MacCallum  that Trump had “a surprise or two that you’re going to hear about in the next two days. I’m talking about some pretty big surprise.” He later backtracked, but it’s pretty clear that agents in the New York office had told Giuliani what was going on.

3. The Inspector General’s Report

The   recent inspector general’s report   confirms what we’ve long known: One of the reasons Comey wrote his October 28 letter was his fear that the New York office would leak about the Weiner laptop if he didn’t.

The FBI’s New York Office Really Hated Hillary Clinton – Mother Jones

 
 
 
devangelical
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8.2.12  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.11    3 years ago

got any pertinent comments regarding the topic of trump's indictment?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.2.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.10    3 years ago

Oh.. If Mother Jones, the outlet the Clintons used to push the fake collusion charges in the run up to the election, spouts Democratic talking points, I guess it must be true.

Would simply posting  press releases directly from the Clinton campaign itself made more sense? 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.2.14  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2.4    3 years ago

BTW, everyone. . .this is the DEFLECTION 'shield' being raised in discussion. Let's NOT talk about the indictment of Donald Trump: But Obama and Hillary!

See? It's easy-peasy to change the subject !

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.2.15  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2.13    3 years ago
  • deflection √
  • false equivalencies √
  • attempting to change the subject √
 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.2.16  CB  replied to  devangelical @8.2.6    3 years ago

"He" is laboring to change the narrative from this indictment of Donald Trump.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.2.17  devangelical  replied to  CB @8.2.16    3 years ago

please avoid the maga circle jerk...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.2.19  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.18    3 years ago

You should apply to be on his legal defense team. He would probably look kindly on your assertion that he should be found not guilty because people bring up his name too much. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.2.21  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.20    3 years ago

Do you think that this indictment will more likely be justified by the evidence or do you think this is more likely a witch hunt?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.2.22  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @8.2.21    3 years ago

we must be patient, the republican party is still crafting a plausible and unified answer ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.2.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.18    3 years ago

Isn't this seed about trmp?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.2.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @8.2.22    3 years ago

It will still be all over the place or so convoluted it will take a mountain of dictionaries and thesaures to decode it

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.25  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.20    3 years ago
I have absolutely no idea what you read, but your response is in no way relatable to mine, because that is simply not something I have ever stated, said, or even thought.  It is a completely asinine 'assertion' and I have no idea how you dreamt it up. Perhaps rereading my post would be helpful.

You should take some lessons from Trump on how not to bore everyone to death. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.2.28  CB  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.2.23    3 years ago

He is doing that thing he does which is talking loud, long. . .and saying nothing. (Next thing you know, the topic is you, me, __, and the rabbit-hole he has caused readers to run down.) "See the man"!

 
 
 
cjcold
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8.2.31  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.1    3 years ago

At the time Hillary was using a private server (which was never hacked) The state department's server WAS actually hacked.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.3  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    3 years ago

Is it your opinion that this will be a bogus indictment ... that the charges against Trump will be unsupported by the evidence ... that Trump should not be found guilty of the charges?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.3.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @8.3    3 years ago

good luck getting any answers from the faithful on those 3 questions...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @8.3    3 years ago
ion that this will be a bogus indictment ...

.  A Clinton indictment for mishandling information would not have been "bogus" but the Obama DOJ declined to pursue one.  As indictment for mishandling information won't be bogus, the issue will be the double standard being applied, not to mention how the investigation proceeded.  The Obama admin literally ignored the language of the espionage act and invented a new standard to avoid charging Clinton.  

that the charges against Trump will be unsupported by the evidence .

Unlikely. 

at Trump should not be found guilty of the charges?

Who knows? I'm not even sure of the exact charges, except the reports that he will be charged for mishandling classified information.  A conviction for that under the Clinton standard would seem impossible. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.3.3  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.3.2    3 years ago

Yep. Hillary is a thousand miles away from this and yet here are conservatives dropping 'the Hillary Card' - always good on a Trump been bad 'day'!

Shred your Hillary 'card'!

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
8.3.4  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.3.2    3 years ago
Who knows? I'm not even sure of the exact charges, except the reports that he will be charged for mishandling classified information.  A conviction for that under the Clinton standard would seem impossible. 

I'm sure that will be brought up by his lawyers, as well as all the recent incidents of other political figures who also had classified documents in their possession.  I always thought the strongest case against Trump would be for obstruction.

Problem is I don't think conviction on any of the seven charges can prevent Trump from running for president.  And if he were to win, I do believe that the needs of the presidency would overtake any prison sentence, such sentencing would be put on hold while he were in office.  And what a can of worms would be opened if he attempted in his first act to try to pardon himself....   oy, what a constitutional crisis that would bring.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.3.5  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @8.3.4    3 years ago
I always thought the strongest case against Trump would be for obstruction.

Yes.   If Trump had cooperated none of this would have happened.

And if he were to win, ...

What odds would you put on that?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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8.3.6  Snuffy  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.5    3 years ago
And if he were to win, ...
What odds would you put on that?

Unfortunately, I think it's greater because of this.  The people who will not vote for Trump because of this were already not going to vote for him IMO.  But he will use all of this "free publicity" as much as he can.  The optics of this are bad IMO because of all the previous investigations and "we got him this time" allegations that failed to change anything.  Add to that, Biden has a record in office that he must run on now and people are still hurting with the current economy.  

I'm rather concerned that he will win.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
8.3.7  Hallux  replied to  Snuffy @8.3.4    3 years ago
I'm sure that will be brought up by his lawyers

Ha he found a good one yet?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.3.8  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @8.3.7    3 years ago

you mean besides the good ones that he found earlier that will now be testifying against him because of the crime/fraud exception to attorney/client privilege? trump is a dumb ass...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.3.9  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @8.3.6    3 years ago

I am not concerned that Trump would win the presidency.   I am, however, concerned that the GOP will offer rational, responsible, patriotic general election voters no R choice by allowing their single nomination slot to be occupied by Trump.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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8.3.10  Snuffy  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.9    3 years ago

No problem, but I am concerned that he could win the presidency.  I'm also pissed that neither party will do what is necessary to put up better candidates.  

But yes, I believe these legal issues will help fuel his PR campaign and there are way too many idiots who will vote for Trump regardless.  Despite it being the middle of 23, it sure does seem like the primary campaigns are already done.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
8.3.11  cjcold  replied to  Snuffy @8.3.6    3 years ago
I'm rather concerned that he will win.

Thankfully Biden has a well-qualified VP waiting in the wings.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.3.13  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.12    3 years ago

her hands are cleaner than any rwnj that's running so far...

 
 
 
Snuffy
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8.3.14  Snuffy  replied to  cjcold @8.3.11    3 years ago
I'm rather concerned that he will win.
Thankfully Biden has a well-qualified VP waiting in the wings.

LOL...   well qualified?  Damn, with lines like that maybe  you should give it a go at the Comedy Club.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.3.16  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.15    3 years ago
That may or not be true. What evidence do you have to prove it?

People dont have to "prove" their opinions. 

What evidence do you have to the contrary? If you want to get past your trolling you have to post actual arguments, not just questions. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.4  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    3 years ago

Whataboutism, is that all you got? How about self-reliance? Be consistent. Talk about the error of Donald Trump screwing Donald Trump . . . or just continue with the republican talking point.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  CB @8.4    3 years ago
Whataboutism, is that all you got

Why does the idea of people being treated equally under the law bother you so? 

IF there were no merit to what I wrote, you could attack it substantively. Instead you avoid it.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.4.2  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.4.1    3 years ago
Why does the idea of people being treated equally under the law bother you so? 

any other person that handled classified documents as trump has would be in prison already.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.4.3  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.4.1    3 years ago

There is nothing other than WHATABOUTISM in your talking point at 8.  Donald Trump's examination by a Special Counsel resulting in an indictment and Tuesday court date is his alone.  Donald Trump is the defendant. And need I remind you of the obvious-let me anyway: Joe Biden's does not have a Special Counsel assigned to him.

BTW, it is conservatives who made it evidently clear that a sitting president generally will not be indicted. So, your 'angst' at owning the narrative about Joe Biden can't, ain't, won't be happening any time soon.

Get back to the story we have underway because right now Donald Trump is somewhere running that big, fat, lying mouth of his (and you don't care about the lies) and making it yet harder for his professional and individual enablers to change the discussion away from him!  As if you could anyway.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
8.4.4  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.4.1    3 years ago
under the law

Quite often intent and manner modify the letter of the law.

Colin Powell was just as guilty as Hillary when it came to a bit of communications laxity, but nobody chanted "lock-him-up".

Hillary just happened to be an enemy of Putin and Trump.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
8.5  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    3 years ago

I'm willing to wait for the actual indictment to be unsealed.  I was doubtful that the mishandling of classified documents would be an indictment due to the recent revelations of everybody who had classified documents in their care.  The entire process around classified documents is so messed up.

I did always think there could be charges around obstruction however, I think (and still do) that was the stronger case.

The bigger issue from this I think is that how many people are going to look at Biden and Pence not being indicted for their possessing classified documents (not to mention HRC) that they are going to go crazy with the picture of a two-tiered justice system.  Will this make Trump stronger in the primary or not?  We do know that he will push the "witch hunt" as hard as he can.  The polling in the next few weeks is going to be interesting.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.5.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Snuffy @8.5    3 years ago
bigger issue from this I think is that how many people are going to look at Biden and Pence not being indicted for their possessing classified documents (not to mention HRC) that they are going to go crazy with the picture of a two-tiered justice system. 

Yep. 

An indictment for obstruction alone would be more tenable, since Trump's behavior in that department is more egregious than Pence or Bidens.  Clinton walked after destroying subpoenaed emails, so I'm not sure obstruction makes sense following the way Clinton was treated. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.5.2  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.5.1    3 years ago

Yet again, the problem for Trump is this is his day in court—nobody else. Now then, I read this Friday AM that another aid to Trump, Walt Nauta, is also INDICTED by Special Counsel Jack Smith in the "Doc" case. Well, even he will have his (solo) day in court-apart from that other guy.

Stick with the narrative before us and not trying to wipe. . .something. . . with other people who are not in this.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9  author  JohnRussell    3 years ago
Jon Hotchkiss
@belesstupid
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BREAKING HEADLINE
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NY TIMES: TRUMP INDICTED
MSNBC: TRUMP INDICTED
CNN: TRUMP INDICTED
LA TIMES: TRUMP INDICTED
WALL ST. JOURNAL: TRUMP INDICTED
FOX NEWS: JEWISH SPACE LASERS
 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @9    3 years ago

trump's expected truth social video soon should be a hoot...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @9.1    3 years ago

it was. he's the ultimate victim of democrats, again... boo hoo hoo...

election interference!!! his friends in russia probably confirmed it...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @9.1.1    3 years ago

Kevin McCarthy is already sucking Trump's ass about this. 

The right wingers will stay in solidarity with the pos Trump. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.2    3 years ago
Kevin McCarthy
@SpeakerMcCarthy
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Today is indeed a dark day for the United States of America. It is unconscionable for a President to indict the leading candidate opposing him. Joe Biden kept classified documents for decades. I, and every American who believes in the rule of law, stand with President Trump against this grave injustice. House Republicans will hold this brazen weaponization of power accountable.
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devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.4  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.2    3 years ago

good, it's a patriotism litmus test and I want every american to witness who fails it...

another nail in the 2024 maga republican coffin...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.3    3 years ago

One day Trump will be indicted for trying to overthrow the US government on Jan 6th. and Mc Carthy will still be sucking Trumps dick. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
9.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.2    3 years ago
[trolling]
 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.3    3 years ago

Playing on the naivety of (much of ... too much of) the electorate.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
9.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.5    3 years ago

[trolling]

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
9.1.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.8    3 years ago

[trolling]

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9.1.10  CB  replied to  devangelical @9.1.1    3 years ago

Get ready for it. Republicans are going to go, 'full Trump' in denial, in defense, in deflection, in scapegoating (liberals). All in a vain effort to keep Donald Trump alive in the republican-conservative consciousness. Why? Because whatever Donald Trump is—they are too!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9.1.11  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.3    3 years ago

They need to check that one's offices and home. . .there is a possibility there are classified documents kept in untidy and unsecure conditions there as well!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.12  devangelical  replied to  CB @9.1.11    3 years ago

who says that hasn't already happened? we wouldn't have known about the mar-a-lago search warrant if trump hadn't shot his mouth off about it to stir up the morons and fund raise off of it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.13  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.9    3 years ago

if you would like to comment on trump, biden, pelosi, clinton, aoc, mtg, etc, go right ahead.  Commenting on your opinion of other people comments and asking trollish questions is going to be deleted. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.14    3 years ago

it may not be the tds you want, but it's the tds you're going to get...

still working on a pertinent comment about the topic of this article?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.18  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.17    3 years ago

keep working ...

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Quiet
9.1.19  pat wilson  replied to  devangelical @9.1.12    3 years ago

Exactly, but for his ego he wouldn't have half of these problems.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.21  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.20    3 years ago

keep trying...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9.1.22  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.15    3 years ago

Well, all I can tell you if you don't know what you don't know. Today we KNOW Donald J. Trump opened up his big, fat, truth-social 'mouth' and spewed out of it two things:  1. He has been indicted and/or has to show up Tuesday at a court how for formalities. 2. That Trump is fund-raising off of opening up his big, fat, truth-social 'mouth' already. (What's the rush?)

I will just presume conservative checks are in the mail headed toward Trump coffers. Must 'own' the libs at any cost, you know!

Too bad so sad; Barr is not around (and nor is Trump) to politically indict Biden over documents.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Participates
9.1.23  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.3    3 years ago

It is unconscionable …

We’ve been subjected to endless unconscionable acts from Donald Trump for years.  Of course this was going to happen eventually.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.26  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.24    3 years ago

try again...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.28  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.27    3 years ago

who cares about that? the election is 17 months away and this question of equal justice is far more important in the here and now. but it will be fun watching the nearly dozen republican contenders wager their entire political fortunes and futures with their comments on this issue.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.2  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @9    3 years ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10  author  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Asim Khan
@Stanley40312064
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50s
BREAKING: DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH WILLFUL RETENTION OF NATIONAL DEFENSE MATERIAL UNDER THE ESPIONAGE ACT

It’s over for Trump

Thoughts n prayers

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Quiet
10.1  pat wilson  replied to  JohnRussell @10    3 years ago

Tots and pears.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11  author  JohnRussell    3 years ago
Rep. Jim Jordan
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Sad day for America. God Bless President Trump.
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Snuffy
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12  Snuffy    3 years ago

Interesting ...   the indictment hasn't been unsealed yet CNN has an article stating that Trump will be indicted on seven counts and one of the counts is a conspiracy charge.

Trump has been charged with seven counts in the indictment, according to another source familiar with the matter.

At least one of the charges against Trump will be a conspiracy charge, a source said.

Now as it's a crime to release such information to unauthorized people and there are rules around how the DOJ is supposed to handle this, it seems to me that perhaps the DOJ has a huge problem itself with leaks.  Do people do this for money, for the notoriety, or because they see themselves as patriots?  Seems to me some housecleaning is in order.

1.7.110 – Unauthorized Disclosures of Classified Information

Only DOJ personnel with the appropriate security clearance and a specific need to know should have access to classified information. Those with access must take every precaution to ensure that such information is safeguarded.

It is against the law to disclose classified information to someone not authorized to receive it. Deliberate unauthorized disclosures of classified information, which can endanger national security and undermine DOJ’s law enforcement and intelligence work, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. DOJ will also pursue all available administrative remedies, including revocation of a security clearance or disciplinary action up to termination of employment.

1-7.400 - Disclosure of Information Concerning Ongoing Criminal, Civil, or Administrative Investigations

  1. Any communication by DOJ personnel with a member of the media relating to a pending investigation or case must be approved in advance by the appropriate United States Attorney or Assistant Attorney General, except in emergency circumstances. For administrative investigations not overseen by a U.S. Attorney or Assistant Attorney General, approval must be obtained from the Assistant Attorney General for Administration. Where the investigation is being handled by the Office of the Inspector General, approval must come from the Inspector General.
     
  2. DOJ generally will not confirm the existence of or otherwise comment about ongoing investigations. Except as provided in subparagraph C of this section, DOJ personnel shall not respond to questions about the existence of an ongoing investigation or comment on its nature or progress before charges are publicly filed.
     
  3. When the community needs to be reassured that the appropriate law enforcement agency is investigating a matter, or where release of information is necessary to protect the public safety, comments about or confirmation of an ongoing investigation may be necessary, subject to the approval requirement in subparagraph A.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.1  devangelical  replied to  Snuffy @12    3 years ago

hoping that trump will get off on some legal technicality are you? the POS is probably going to die in federal prison, if he doesn't blow a gasket beforehand. nobody is above the law. you might want to mentally prepare yourself...

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
12.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  devangelical @12.1    3 years ago

And you might want to re-read post 12 to see what I actually said in there.  What I said was nothing about a legal technicality for Trump, it was all pointed directly at the DOJ and their history of leaks.  If you read my posts and can only see me trying to defend Trump you would be better served by putting me on ignore because you are not reading and comprehending what I am saying.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Quiet
12.2  pat wilson  replied to  Snuffy @12    3 years ago
Now as it's a crime to release such information to unauthorized people

With this sensational, breaking news happening there's bound to be all sorts of conjecture flying around, doesn't mean there is leaking from the DOJ. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.2.1  devangelical  replied to  pat wilson @12.2    3 years ago

some people have access to the public record before others.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
12.2.2  Snuffy  replied to  pat wilson @12.2    3 years ago

I did read this morning in another news article about this where it mentioned that the indictment is not sealed, so that could have allowed for this to come out.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
12.2.3  CB  replied to  devangelical @12.2.1    3 years ago

They are called industry "sources." Moreover, they come in all sorts of shapes, sizes, and cuts.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
13  Tacos!    3 years ago

Cue the “whatabout” complaints. But every case is unique. There are critical details in one case that separate it from others and determine a different course.

Some, of course, will always believe that this is purely political. Well, he’ll have a chance to make that case, just like anyone else would.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
13.1  devangelical  replied to  Tacos! @13    3 years ago

it sounds a little like somebody might have squealed in their appearance before the florida grand jury...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
14  Right Down the Center    3 years ago

Whew. I thought the indictment of trump for something.....anything......would never come. I am 5 or so years past the point of giving a shit though.

 
 

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