I figured this would never happen since Biden and Pence both had classified documents and that would be seen as equivalent to what Trump did to the naive general public.
A bit surprising, but this is important. PotUS' engaging in bad behavior need to be held accountable.
The key accountability, however, remains holding Trump accountable for his Big Lie campaign due to the horrible precedent that it set.
I read a strange article the other day stating they were looking into something about how there was a flood in the security room of Mar a Largo, plus they were draining the pool for some unknown reason.
For six years we've been hearing that Trump has never been indicted. Now that he is indicted we will hear he has never been convicted. Once he is convicted we will hear he is appealing the verdict so we shouldnt rush to judgement. Once the appeals are used up we will hear it was all a plot by the Deep State, and that Trump was not found guilty in a "legitimate" court of law.
It is IMPORTANT. But guess who is yesterday and today (evening show) on News Nation's CUOMO talking about how unfair Donald Trump is being treated? Yep, you got him the first try: Alan Dershowitz.
That professor claims to be a voting liberal but a "dutiful" defender of the constitution, while once again standing in the 'dark' corner of the devil's marauder: Donald J. Trump. Count on liberal Alan to run blocking strategies on behalf of the biggest liar and political louse in this country, in five, four, three, two, . . . .
Sadly, this is all to reminiscent of the minority/black experience in this country where a black person in the right could not convince a court, a jury, a public to help get a proper ("righteous") win. That is, it reminds me of the time in this country when, "White is right; Black stay back!" except now, it's "Conservatives is right; liberals stay back!"
Republicans have understood and are all in on the fine 'art' of denying the (proper) two hand clasp or clap; absence from the 'two to tango' dance routines; not showing up for team practice!
Indeed, their intentions and goals are to frustrate democrats and liberals each opportunity they can do so. Right or wrong.
Watch out for Alan Dershowitz, he is actually during television interviews "CUOMO" where he is telling the host (in so many words), he, Alan Dershowitz, will get Donald Trump out of legal bind he is in-when the time comes. That is not justice, that is a professorial lawyer promising to use the justice system to get a CROOK out of jeopardy and his crimes.
I've said this before. Immediately upon indictment take 45 into custody fa a period of no less than 7 but no more than 10 days for a through physical, emotional and mental evaluation to see if he is able to stand the rigors of a trial.
I wouldn't offer trump or his attorneys any additional opportunities for further delays. he needs to be treated like any other person that has put themselves in this same predicament. he needs to be arraigned and held in confinement as a flight risk until his trial.
My thinking is this. If they use the findings as some form of delay it will have to be a recorded into evidence and possible public revue. 45 could no longer boast of being in good health, a stable genius or some other superlative.
it was a big day yesterday. the biggest religious scam artist in history goes tits up, and the most self serving asshole in the free world gets an invitation to a federal nursing home for seditious traitors.
Former President Trump says he has been indicted on federal charges that emerged out of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s months-long investigation.
"The corrupt Biden Administration has informed my attorneys that I have been Indicted, seemingly over the Boxes Hoax, even though Joe Biden has 1850 Boxes at the University of Delaware, additional Boxes in Chinatown, D.C., with even more Boxes at the University of Pennsylvania, and documents strewn all over his garage floor where he parks his Corvette, and which is "secured" by only a garage door that is paper thin, and open much of the time," Trump said on Truth Social.
Smith was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland in November 2022 to investigate Trump’s alleged improper retention of classified records at his Mar-a-Lago home.
The Justice Department had been investigating the matter after the FBI conducted an unprecedented raid on his private residence in August 2022.
Donald Trump is a political reprobate. He seems to love fighting "the man"-whom he once WAS (and he was a reprobate then too). Good for him. Let him go to court and maybe afterwards go away.
I'm not sure you needed the adjective in that sentence.
Let him go to court and maybe afterwards go away.
I'd just be happy with "away". Court is fine, but if he wants to flee to Ecuador or something, I personally don't care as long as it's "away". Maybe he could go to St. Helena like Napoleon.
Comey doesn’t need to explain that Hillary’s a democrat.
there’s no rational argument for indicting trump for mishandling classified information and not Hillary. Comey said the standard was Hilary had to trying to help a foreign adversary in order to be indicted I await proof trump was.
Wow. The old "every tub should stand on its own feet" is now trying to get SPECIAL PLEADING to let a 'flawed man' named Donald Trump off the hook.
How about Trump just giving up the documents to their suitable owners (the federal government) without officials having to put on knee pads and getting down on their knees?
This could have gone away without any of this. But here is yet another conservative defending a jerk-jerk's Jerk.
All righty then...get Hillary and maybe she and Donald can share a cell
I never liked her and think she's corrupt beyond all possible corruptness but she's never been indicted and that's probably an oversight on somebody's part
Obama's DOJ ignored intent standard in the espionage statute and created a new one out of thin air to avoid charging her. If that's not "on her side", I don't know what is.
The NY FBI office leaked the information about Anthony Weiner's laptop.
There’s very little evidence that the FBI was biased in any way against President Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign. The sole piece of evidence that Trump relies on for this allegation is a series of private texts between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, but there’s no evidence at all that their private views ever affected any of their actions.
Just the opposite is true for the FBI’s New York office, which obviously harbored considerable animus toward Hillary Clinton and just as obviously took concrete steps to help Trump. Here’s a short version of the evidence:
On October 26, Rudy Giuliani boasted to Fox News’ Martha MacCallum that Trump had “a surprise or two that you’re going to hear about in the next two days. I’m talking about some pretty big surprise.” He later backtracked, but it’s pretty clear that agents in the New York office had told Giuliani what was going on.
3. The Inspector General’s Report
The recent inspector general’s report confirms what we’ve long known: One of the reasons Comey wrote his October 28 letter was his fear that the New York office would leak about the Weiner laptop if he didn’t.
Oh.. If Mother Jones, the outlet the Clintons used to push the fake collusion charges in the run up to the election, spouts Democratic talking points, I guess it must be true.
Would simply posting press releases directly from the Clinton campaign itself made more sense?
BTW, everyone. . .this is the DEFLECTION 'shield' being raised in discussion. Let's NOT talk about the indictment of Donald Trump: But Obama and Hillary!
You should apply to be on his legal defense team. He would probably look kindly on your assertion that he should be found not guilty because people bring up his name too much.
I have absolutely no idea what you read, but your response is in no way relatable to mine, because that is simply not something I have ever stated, said, or even thought. It is a completely asinine 'assertion' and I have no idea how you dreamt it up.Perhaps rereading my post would be helpful.
You should take some lessons from Trump on how not to bore everyone to death.
He is doing that thing he does which is talking loud, long. . .and saying nothing. (Next thing you know, the topic is you, me, __, and the rabbit-hole he has caused readers to run down.) "See the man"!
Is it your opinion that this will be a bogus indictment ... that the charges against Trump will be unsupported by the evidence ... that Trump should not be found guilty of the charges?
. A Clinton indictment for mishandling information would not have been "bogus" but the Obama DOJ declined to pursue one. As indictment for mishandling information won't be bogus, the issue will be the double standard being applied, not to mention how the investigation proceeded. The Obama admin literally ignored the language of the espionage act and invented a new standard to avoid charging Clinton.
that the charges against Trump will be unsupported by the evidence .
Unlikely.
at Trump should not be found guilty of the charges?
Who knows? I'm not even sure of the exact charges, except the reports that he will be charged for mishandling classified information. A conviction for that under the Clinton standard would seem impossible.
Who knows? I'm not even sure of the exact charges, except the reports that he will be charged for mishandling classified information. A conviction for that under the Clinton standard would seem impossible.
I'm sure that will be brought up by his lawyers, as well as all the recent incidents of other political figures who also had classified documents in their possession. I always thought the strongest case against Trump would be for obstruction.
Problem is I don't think conviction on any of the seven charges can prevent Trump from running for president. And if he were to win, I do believe that the needs of the presidency would overtake any prison sentence, such sentencing would be put on hold while he were in office. And what a can of worms would be opened if he attempted in his first act to try to pardon himself.... oy, what a constitutional crisis that would bring.
Unfortunately, I think it's greater because of this. The people who will not vote for Trump because of this were already not going to vote for him IMO. But he will use all of this "free publicity" as much as he can. The optics of this are bad IMO because of all the previous investigations and "we got him this time" allegations that failed to change anything. Add to that, Biden has a record in office that he must run on now and people are still hurting with the current economy.
you mean besides the good ones that he found earlier that will now be testifying against him because of the crime/fraud exception to attorney/client privilege? trump is a dumb ass...
I am not concerned that Trump would win the presidency. I am, however, concerned that the GOP will offer rational, responsible, patriotic general election voters no R choice by allowing their single nomination slot to be occupied by Trump.
No problem, but I am concerned that he could win the presidency. I'm also pissed that neither party will do what is necessary to put up better candidates.
But yes, I believe these legal issues will help fuel his PR campaign and there are way too many idiots who will vote for Trump regardless. Despite it being the middle of 23, it sure does seem like the primary campaigns are already done.
Whataboutism, is that all you got? How about self-reliance? Be consistent. Talk about the error of Donald Trump screwing Donald Trump . . . or just continue with the republican talking point.
There is nothing other than WHATABOUTISM in your talking point at 8. Donald Trump's examination by a Special Counsel resulting in an indictment and Tuesday court date is his alone. Donald Trump is the defendant. And need I remind you of the obvious-let me anyway: Joe Biden's does not have a Special Counsel assigned to him.
BTW, it is conservatives who made it evidently clear that a sitting president generally will not be indicted. So, your 'angst' at owning the narrative about Joe Biden can't, ain't, won't be happening any time soon.
Get back to the story we have underway because right now Donald Trump is somewhere running that big, fat, lying mouth of his (and you don't care about the lies) and making it yet harder for his professional and individual enablers to change the discussion away from him! As if you could anyway.
I'm willing to wait for the actual indictment to be unsealed. I was doubtful that the mishandling of classified documents would be an indictment due to the recent revelations of everybody who had classified documents in their care. The entire process around classified documents is so messed up.
I did always think there could be charges around obstruction however, I think (and still do) that was the stronger case.
The bigger issue from this I think is that how many people are going to look at Biden and Pence not being indicted for their possessing classified documents (not to mention HRC) that they are going to go crazy with the picture of a two-tiered justice system. Will this make Trump stronger in the primary or not? We do know that he will push the "witch hunt" as hard as he can. The polling in the next few weeks is going to be interesting.
bigger issue from this I think is that how many people are going to look at Biden and Pence not being indicted for their possessing classified documents (not to mention HRC) that they are going to go crazy with the picture of a two-tiered justice system.
Yep.
An indictment for obstruction alone would be more tenable, since Trump's behavior in that department is more egregious than Pence or Bidens. Clinton walked after destroying subpoenaed emails, so I'm not sure obstruction makes sense following the way Clinton was treated.
Yet again, the problem for Trump is this is his day in court—nobody else. Now then, I read this Friday AM that another aid to Trump, Walt Nauta, is also INDICTED by Special Counsel Jack Smith in the "Doc" case. Well, even he will have his (solo) day in court-apart from that other guy.
Stick with the narrative before us and not trying to wipe. . .something. . . with other people who are not in this.
Today is indeed a dark day for the United States of America. It is unconscionable for a President to indict the leading candidate opposing him. Joe Biden kept classified documents for decades. I, and every American who believes in the rule of law, stand with President Trump against this grave injustice. House Republicans will hold this brazen weaponization of power accountable.
Get ready for it. Republicans are going to go, 'full Trump' in denial, in defense, in deflection, in scapegoating (liberals). All in a vain effort to keep Donald Trump alive in the republican-conservative consciousness. Why? Because whatever Donald Trump is—they are too!
They need to check that one's offices and home. . .there is a possibility there are classified documents kept in untidy and unsecure conditions there as well!
who says that hasn't already happened? we wouldn't have known about the mar-a-lago search warrant if trump hadn't shot his mouth off about it to stir up the morons and fund raise off of it.
if you would like to comment on trump, biden, pelosi, clinton, aoc, mtg, etc, go right ahead. Commenting on your opinion of other people comments and asking trollish questions is going to be deleted.
Well, all I can tell you if you don't know what you don't know. Today we KNOW Donald J. Trump opened up his big, fat, truth-social 'mouth' and spewed out of it two things: 1. He has been indicted and/or has to show up Tuesday at a court how for formalities. 2. That Trump is fund-raising off of opening up his big, fat, truth-social 'mouth' already. (What's the rush?)
I will just presume conservative checks are in the mail headed toward Trump coffers. Must 'own' the libs at any cost, you know!
Too bad so sad; Barr is not around (and nor is Trump) to politically indict Biden over documents.
who cares about that? the election is 17 months away and this question of equal justice is far more important in the here and now. but it will be fun watching the nearly dozen republican contenders wager their entire political fortunes and futures with their comments on this issue.
Interesting ... the indictment hasn't been unsealed yet CNN has an article stating that Trump will be indicted on seven counts and one of the counts is a conspiracy charge.
Trump has been charged with seven counts in the indictment, according to another source familiar with the matter.
At least one of the charges against Trump will be a conspiracy charge, a source said.
Now as it's a crime to release such information to unauthorized people and there are rules around how the DOJ is supposed to handle this, it seems to me that perhaps the DOJ has a huge problem itself with leaks. Do people do this for money, for the notoriety, or because they see themselves as patriots? Seems to me some housecleaning is in order.
1.7.110 – Unauthorized Disclosures of Classified Information
Only DOJ personnel with the appropriate security clearance and a specific need to know should have access to classified information. Those with access must take every precaution to ensure that such information is safeguarded.
It is against the law to disclose classified information to someone not authorized to receive it. Deliberate unauthorized disclosures of classified information, which can endanger national security and undermine DOJ’s law enforcement and intelligence work, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. DOJ will also pursue all available administrative remedies, including revocation of a security clearance or disciplinary action up to termination of employment.
1-7.400 - Disclosure of Information Concerning Ongoing Criminal, Civil, or Administrative Investigations
Any communication by DOJ personnel with a member of the media relating to a pending investigation or case must be approved in advance by the appropriate United States Attorney or Assistant Attorney General, except in emergency circumstances. For administrative investigations not overseen by a U.S. Attorney or Assistant Attorney General, approval must be obtained from the Assistant Attorney General for Administration. Where the investigation is being handled by the Office of the Inspector General, approval must come from the Inspector General.
DOJ generally will not confirm the existence of or otherwise comment about ongoing investigations. Except as provided in subparagraph C of this section, DOJ personnel shall not respond to questions about the existence of an ongoing investigation or comment on its nature or progress before charges are publicly filed.
When the community needs to be reassured that the appropriate law enforcement agency is investigating a matter, or where release of information is necessary to protect the public safety, comments about or confirmation of an ongoing investigation may be necessary, subject to the approval requirement in subparagraph A.
hoping that trump will get off on some legal technicality are you? the POS is probably going to die in federal prison, if he doesn't blow a gasket beforehand. nobody is above the law. you might want to mentally prepare yourself...
And you might want to re-read post 12 to see what I actually said in there. What I said was nothing about a legal technicality for Trump, it was all pointed directly at the DOJ and their history of leaks. If you read my posts and can only see me trying to defend Trump you would be better served by putting me on ignore because you are not reading and comprehending what I am saying.
I did read this morning in another news article about this where it mentioned that the indictment is not sealed, so that could have allowed for this to come out.
Cue the “whatabout” complaints. But every case is unique. There are critical details in one case that separate it from others and determine a different course.
Some, of course, will always believe that this is purely political. Well, he’ll have a chance to make that case, just like anyone else would.
About time
I figured this would never happen since Biden and Pence both had classified documents and that would be seen as equivalent to what Trump did to the naive general public.
A bit surprising, but this is important. PotUS' engaging in bad behavior need to be held accountable.
The key accountability, however, remains holding Trump accountable for his Big Lie campaign due to the horrible precedent that it set.
I think as time went on the evidence became too overwhelming.
Certainly. But I could easily see sitting on it due to the optics as seen by the (apparently largely) naive public.
historic.
Imo that comes down to turning them over or refusing and calling them his.
Two wrongs don't make a right but refusing to cooperate holds sway imo.
I think part of it may had to do with that audio recording. I never heard it but from what I gather it didn't sound to good for him.
It is extremely likely the evidence is overwhelming. Federal prosecutors have a 99% conviction rate on cases that actually go to trial.
Trump will need to pray for a MAGA jury.
lock him up in the meantime...
he's a flight risk...
I read a strange article the other day stating they were looking into something about how there was a flood in the security room of Mar a Largo, plus they were draining the pool for some unknown reason.
Conspiracy maybe yet this whole thing is bizarre.
I wonder if any of the evidence will be recognized as such by those who —to this day— refuse to even acknowledge wrongdoing by Trump.
trump's obstruction in the classified documents case occurred in florida and the federal indictment had to be issued there.
the flooding story is probably a cover for destroying the video evidence that was subpoenaed by jack smith.
no, it's "witch hunt" by the deep state...
For six years we've been hearing that Trump has never been indicted. Now that he is indicted we will hear he has never been convicted. Once he is convicted we will hear he is appealing the verdict so we shouldnt rush to judgement. Once the appeals are used up we will hear it was all a plot by the Deep State, and that Trump was not found guilty in a "legitimate" court of law.
I agree with you though. It will be Biden needs to be arrested too.
You still do not get it that indicted does not always equal convicted. Tell me when he is actually convicted.
Skip all the other bullshit and go straight to "it's the deep state at work".
I don't believe in the so called "deep state", so why would I go to it? Please state where I ever have said I did if you can.
... as you predicted. ↑↑↑
It is IMPORTANT. But guess who is yesterday and today (evening show) on News Nation's CUOMO talking about how unfair Donald Trump is being treated? Yep, you got him the first try: Alan Dershowitz.
That professor claims to be a voting liberal but a "dutiful" defender of the constitution, while once again standing in the 'dark' corner of the devil's marauder: Donald J. Trump. Count on liberal Alan to run blocking strategies on behalf of the biggest liar and political louse in this country, in five, four, three, two, . . . .
Sadly, this is all to reminiscent of the minority/black experience in this country where a black person in the right could not convince a court, a jury, a public to help get a proper ("righteous") win. That is, it reminds me of the time in this country when, "White is right; Black stay back!" except now, it's "Conservatives is right; liberals stay back!"
Republicans have understood and are all in on the fine 'art' of denying the (proper) two hand clasp or clap; absence from the 'two to tango' dance routines; not showing up for team practice!
Indeed, their intentions and goals are to frustrate democrats and liberals each opportunity they can do so. Right or wrong.
Watch out for Alan Dershowitz, he is actually during television interviews "CUOMO" where he is telling the host (in so many words), he, Alan Dershowitz, will get Donald Trump out of legal bind he is in-when the time comes. That is not justice, that is a professorial lawyer promising to use the justice system to get a CROOK out of jeopardy and his crimes.
Watch and see for yourselves!
I've said this before. Immediately upon indictment take 45 into custody fa a period of no less than 7 but no more than 10 days for a through physical, emotional and mental evaluation to see if he is able to stand the rigors of a trial.
I wouldn't offer trump or his attorneys any additional opportunities for further delays. he needs to be treated like any other person that has put themselves in this same predicament. he needs to be arraigned and held in confinement as a flight risk until his trial.
My thinking is this. If they use the findings as some form of delay it will have to be a recorded into evidence and possible public revue. 45 could no longer boast of being in good health, a stable genius or some other superlative.
You're good at this, John. You know exactly what they will say next
Experience.
you're preaching to the choir. there's at least 40 million voters that will never be convinced that POS is an incompetent, narcissistic, lunatic...
Agreed. It will be interesting to see the exact charges.
Yes, it will. Meanwhile I'm sitting here trying not to speculate or offer an uninformed opinion (tho I am gleefully wringing my hands)
it was a big day yesterday. the biggest religious scam artist in history goes tits up, and the most self serving asshole in the free world gets an invitation to a federal nursing home for seditious traitors.
www.foxnews.com /politics/former-president-trump-says-has-been-indicted
Former President Trump says he has been indicted
Brooke Singman 2-2 minutes 6/8/2023
Former President Trump says he has been indicted on federal charges that emerged out of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s months-long investigation.
"The corrupt Biden Administration has informed my attorneys that I have been Indicted, seemingly over the Boxes Hoax, even though Joe Biden has 1850 Boxes at the University of Delaware, additional Boxes in Chinatown, D.C., with even more Boxes at the University of Pennsylvania, and documents strewn all over his garage floor where he parks his Corvette, and which is "secured" by only a garage door that is paper thin, and open much of the time," Trump said on Truth Social.
Smith was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland in November 2022 to investigate Trump’s alleged improper retention of classified records at his Mar-a-Lago home.
The Justice Department had been investigating the matter after the FBI conducted an unprecedented raid on his private residence in August 2022.
Donald Trump is the first former president to be indicted on criminal charges. ( SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images))
Brooke Singman is a Fox News Digital politics reporter. You can reach her at Brooke.Singman@Fox.com or @BrookeSingman on Twitter.
I didn't think a person was actually indicted until a grand jury handed down a true bill. Has that actually been done?
The law either applies to everyone or no one.
Democrats have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it should now apply to no one.
I dont believe Jack Smith is a Democrat.
Of course Jack Smith is a Democrat!!! A good republican would never do that to his King!
I think all of his supporters should send him all of their assets for his 2024 POTUS campaign. /s
He has already sent out fund raising e mails off this news.
he can use the proceeds to by lots of ramen, velveeta, and one of those TV's with a transparent case.
shaking down the suckers one more time...
You would hardly expect him to miss the opportunity.
Emphatically! Just like Kars For Kids commercial says: "Donate [cars, sea craft, houses, buildings, land, ____ ] today!"
And he still lies about shit. Let him testify, he will bury himself.
TV legal pundit Dan Abrams says they are throwing the book at Trump. He will be indicted for every charge they were considering.
Now I wonder if his supporters will double down or move on to trump jr.
I'm going to have a lot of fun here tomorrow...
Donald Trump is a political reprobate. He seems to love fighting "the man"-whom he once WAS (and he was a reprobate then too). Good for him. Let him go to court and maybe afterwards go away.
I'm not sure you needed the adjective in that sentence.
I'd just be happy with "away". Court is fine, but if he wants to flee to Ecuador or something, I personally don't care as long as it's "away". Maybe he could go to St. Helena like Napoleon.
Perhaps Trump can borrow Billy Joel's song ''Innocent Man''....I can see him now waddling into the court room singing ''Innocent Man''...
The happiest man in the world is .... Ron DeSantis.
Just had to bide his time...
Don't underestimate the stupid tenacity of MAGA (and those who allow them their power).
let them try to walk across this legal quicksand...
Reality is not an issue ... anything undesirable is merely believed to be fake.
hurry tuesday...
Hmm. I seem to remember recent precedent where the DOJ ignored the mishandling of classified documents by a former government official.
oh that’s right. That’s the precedent when a democrat is being investigated by a democratic DOJ…
We'll hook you up with James Comey and he can explain it to you.
Comey doesn’t need to explain that Hillary’s a democrat.
there’s no rational argument for indicting trump for mishandling classified information and not Hillary. Comey said the standard was Hilary had to trying to help a foreign adversary in order to be indicted I await proof trump was.
Wow. The old "every tub should stand on its own feet" is now trying to get SPECIAL PLEADING to let a 'flawed man' named Donald Trump off the hook.
How about Trump just giving up the documents to their suitable owners (the federal government) without officials having to put on knee pads and getting down on their knees?
This could have gone away without any of this. But here is yet another conservative defending a jerk-jerk's Jerk.
he brought this all upon himself...
I'd take that 2-for-1 deal.
Maybe they could share a cell.
All righty then...get Hillary and maybe she and Donald can share a cell
I never liked her and think she's corrupt beyond all possible corruptness but she's never been indicted and that's probably an oversight on somebody's part
should have read your comment first
Your boy Trump promised to lock Hillary up Sean. He either lied about that or failed or maybe it was an 8 year plan.
I want to call it a failure...because he's a failure
Yeah, I think he tried. Trouble is, courts of law aren't voters. You actually have to have some evidence.
Exactly, that’s why you never see wrong convictions. Although that’s not likely here.
You saying a conviction here would be wrong?
of course he is
oh yeah, all 4 cases are exactly equal, aren't they sean? thanks for stating the expected false equivalency.
He's talking about Hillary Clinton.
I never would have said the FBI was on Hillary's side, maybe it is just me.
it doesn't matter, it's trump's obstruction that makes this case.
Obama's DOJ ignored intent standard in the espionage statute and created a new one out of thin air to avoid charging her. If that's not "on her side", I don't know what is.
The FBI came out two weeks before the election making claims about Clinton and saying they were going to look into her again or something.
Doesn't sound like being on her side to me.
his story has more holes than a block of swiss cheese.
Seriously though, I don't think the agency liked her at all.
it's a conservative stronghold in the federal law enforcement bureaucracy, no matter what the maga trash claim...
The NY FBI office leaked the information about Anthony Weiner's laptop. They were Trumpsters.
There’s very little evidence that the FBI was biased in any way against President Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign. The sole piece of evidence that Trump relies on for this allegation is a series of private texts between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, but there’s no evidence at all that their private views ever affected any of their actions.
Just the opposite is true for the FBI’s New York office, which obviously harbored considerable animus toward Hillary Clinton and just as obviously took concrete steps to help Trump. Here’s a short version of the evidence:
1. The Nunes Revelation
A few days ago, Rep. Devin Nunes admitted something he had never acknowledged before: In late September 2016, New York FBI agents told him about the existence of Anthony Weiner’s laptop , which eventually led to the Comey letter of October 28.
2. The Giuliani Whisper Campaign
On October 26, Rudy Giuliani boasted to Fox News’ Martha MacCallum that Trump had “a surprise or two that you’re going to hear about in the next two days. I’m talking about some pretty big surprise.” He later backtracked, but it’s pretty clear that agents in the New York office had told Giuliani what was going on.
3. The Inspector General’s Report
The recent inspector general’s report confirms what we’ve long known: One of the reasons Comey wrote his October 28 letter was his fear that the New York office would leak about the Weiner laptop if he didn’t.
The FBI’s New York Office Really Hated Hillary Clinton – Mother Jones
got any pertinent comments regarding the topic of trump's indictment?
Oh.. If Mother Jones, the outlet the Clintons used to push the fake collusion charges in the run up to the election, spouts Democratic talking points, I guess it must be true.
Would simply posting press releases directly from the Clinton campaign itself made more sense?
BTW, everyone. . .this is the DEFLECTION 'shield' being raised in discussion. Let's NOT talk about the indictment of Donald Trump: But Obama and Hillary!
See? It's easy-peasy to change the subject !
"He" is laboring to change the narrative from this indictment of Donald Trump.
please avoid the maga circle jerk...
You should apply to be on his legal defense team. He would probably look kindly on your assertion that he should be found not guilty because people bring up his name too much.
Do you think that this indictment will more likely be justified by the evidence or do you think this is more likely a witch hunt?
we must be patient, the republican party is still crafting a plausible and unified answer ...
Isn't this seed about trmp?
It will still be all over the place or so convoluted it will take a mountain of dictionaries and thesaures to decode it
You should take some lessons from Trump on how not to bore everyone to death.
He is doing that thing he does which is talking loud, long. . .and saying nothing. (Next thing you know, the topic is you, me, __, and the rabbit-hole he has caused readers to run down.) "See the man"!
At the time Hillary was using a private server (which was never hacked) The state department's server WAS actually hacked.
Is it your opinion that this will be a bogus indictment ... that the charges against Trump will be unsupported by the evidence ... that Trump should not be found guilty of the charges?
good luck getting any answers from the faithful on those 3 questions...
. A Clinton indictment for mishandling information would not have been "bogus" but the Obama DOJ declined to pursue one. As indictment for mishandling information won't be bogus, the issue will be the double standard being applied, not to mention how the investigation proceeded. The Obama admin literally ignored the language of the espionage act and invented a new standard to avoid charging Clinton.
that the charges against Trump will be unsupported by the evidence .
Unlikely.
at Trump should not be found guilty of the charges?
Who knows? I'm not even sure of the exact charges, except the reports that he will be charged for mishandling classified information. A conviction for that under the Clinton standard would seem impossible.
Yep. Hillary is a thousand miles away from this and yet here are conservatives dropping 'the Hillary Card' - always good on a Trump been bad 'day'!
Shred your Hillary 'card'!
I'm sure that will be brought up by his lawyers, as well as all the recent incidents of other political figures who also had classified documents in their possession. I always thought the strongest case against Trump would be for obstruction.
Problem is I don't think conviction on any of the seven charges can prevent Trump from running for president. And if he were to win, I do believe that the needs of the presidency would overtake any prison sentence, such sentencing would be put on hold while he were in office. And what a can of worms would be opened if he attempted in his first act to try to pardon himself.... oy, what a constitutional crisis that would bring.
Yes. If Trump had cooperated none of this would have happened.
What odds would you put on that?
Unfortunately, I think it's greater because of this. The people who will not vote for Trump because of this were already not going to vote for him IMO. But he will use all of this "free publicity" as much as he can. The optics of this are bad IMO because of all the previous investigations and "we got him this time" allegations that failed to change anything. Add to that, Biden has a record in office that he must run on now and people are still hurting with the current economy.
I'm rather concerned that he will win.
Ha he found a good one yet?
you mean besides the good ones that he found earlier that will now be testifying against him because of the crime/fraud exception to attorney/client privilege? trump is a dumb ass...
I am not concerned that Trump would win the presidency. I am, however, concerned that the GOP will offer rational, responsible, patriotic general election voters no R choice by allowing their single nomination slot to be occupied by Trump.
No problem, but I am concerned that he could win the presidency. I'm also pissed that neither party will do what is necessary to put up better candidates.
But yes, I believe these legal issues will help fuel his PR campaign and there are way too many idiots who will vote for Trump regardless. Despite it being the middle of 23, it sure does seem like the primary campaigns are already done.
Thankfully Biden has a well-qualified VP waiting in the wings.
her hands are cleaner than any rwnj that's running so far...
LOL... well qualified? Damn, with lines like that maybe you should give it a go at the Comedy Club.
People dont have to "prove" their opinions.
What evidence do you have to the contrary? If you want to get past your trolling you have to post actual arguments, not just questions.
Whataboutism, is that all you got? How about self-reliance? Be consistent. Talk about the error of Donald Trump screwing Donald Trump . . . or just continue with the republican talking point.
Why does the idea of people being treated equally under the law bother you so?
IF there were no merit to what I wrote, you could attack it substantively. Instead you avoid it.
any other person that handled classified documents as trump has would be in prison already.
There is nothing other than WHATABOUTISM in your talking point at 8. Donald Trump's examination by a Special Counsel resulting in an indictment and Tuesday court date is his alone. Donald Trump is the defendant. And need I remind you of the obvious-let me anyway: Joe Biden's does not have a Special Counsel assigned to him.
BTW, it is conservatives who made it evidently clear that a sitting president generally will not be indicted. So, your 'angst' at owning the narrative about Joe Biden can't, ain't, won't be happening any time soon.
Get back to the story we have underway because right now Donald Trump is somewhere running that big, fat, lying mouth of his (and you don't care about the lies) and making it yet harder for his professional and individual enablers to change the discussion away from him! As if you could anyway.
Quite often intent and manner modify the letter of the law.
Colin Powell was just as guilty as Hillary when it came to a bit of communications laxity, but nobody chanted "lock-him-up".
Hillary just happened to be an enemy of Putin and Trump.
I'm willing to wait for the actual indictment to be unsealed. I was doubtful that the mishandling of classified documents would be an indictment due to the recent revelations of everybody who had classified documents in their care. The entire process around classified documents is so messed up.
I did always think there could be charges around obstruction however, I think (and still do) that was the stronger case.
The bigger issue from this I think is that how many people are going to look at Biden and Pence not being indicted for their possessing classified documents (not to mention HRC) that they are going to go crazy with the picture of a two-tiered justice system. Will this make Trump stronger in the primary or not? We do know that he will push the "witch hunt" as hard as he can. The polling in the next few weeks is going to be interesting.
Yep.
An indictment for obstruction alone would be more tenable, since Trump's behavior in that department is more egregious than Pence or Bidens. Clinton walked after destroying subpoenaed emails, so I'm not sure obstruction makes sense following the way Clinton was treated.
Yet again, the problem for Trump is this is his day in court—nobody else. Now then, I read this Friday AM that another aid to Trump, Walt Nauta, is also INDICTED by Special Counsel Jack Smith in the "Doc" case. Well, even he will have his (solo) day in court-apart from that other guy.
Stick with the narrative before us and not trying to wipe. . .something. . . with other people who are not in this.
trump's expected truth social video soon should be a hoot...
it was. he's the ultimate victim of democrats, again... boo hoo hoo...
election interference!!! his friends in russia probably confirmed it...
Kevin McCarthy is already sucking Trump's ass about this.
The right wingers will stay in solidarity with the pos Trump.
good, it's a patriotism litmus test and I want every american to witness who fails it...
another nail in the 2024 maga republican coffin...
One day Trump will be indicted for trying to overthrow the US government on Jan 6th. and Mc Carthy will still be sucking Trumps dick.
Playing on the naivety of (much of ... too much of) the electorate.
[trolling]
Get ready for it. Republicans are going to go, 'full Trump' in denial, in defense, in deflection, in scapegoating (liberals). All in a vain effort to keep Donald Trump alive in the republican-conservative consciousness. Why? Because whatever Donald Trump is—they are too!
They need to check that one's offices and home. . .there is a possibility there are classified documents kept in untidy and unsecure conditions there as well!
who says that hasn't already happened? we wouldn't have known about the mar-a-lago search warrant if trump hadn't shot his mouth off about it to stir up the morons and fund raise off of it.
if you would like to comment on trump, biden, pelosi, clinton, aoc, mtg, etc, go right ahead. Commenting on your opinion of other people comments and asking trollish questions is going to be deleted.
it may not be the tds you want, but it's the tds you're going to get...
still working on a pertinent comment about the topic of this article?
keep working ...
Exactly, but for his ego he wouldn't have half of these problems.
keep trying...
Well, all I can tell you if you don't know what you don't know. Today we KNOW Donald J. Trump opened up his big, fat, truth-social 'mouth' and spewed out of it two things: 1. He has been indicted and/or has to show up Tuesday at a court how for formalities. 2. That Trump is fund-raising off of opening up his big, fat, truth-social 'mouth' already. (What's the rush?)
I will just presume conservative checks are in the mail headed toward Trump coffers. Must 'own' the libs at any cost, you know!
Too bad so sad; Barr is not around (and nor is Trump) to politically indict Biden over documents.
It is unconscionable …
We’ve been subjected to endless unconscionable acts from Donald Trump for years. Of course this was going to happen eventually.
try again...
who cares about that? the election is 17 months away and this question of equal justice is far more important in the here and now. but it will be fun watching the nearly dozen republican contenders wager their entire political fortunes and futures with their comments on this issue.
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BREAKING: DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH WILLFUL RETENTION OF NATIONAL DEFENSE MATERIAL UNDER THE ESPIONAGE ACT
It’s over for Trump
Thoughts n prayers
Tots and pears.
Interesting ... the indictment hasn't been unsealed yet CNN has an article stating that Trump will be indicted on seven counts and one of the counts is a conspiracy charge.
Now as it's a crime to release such information to unauthorized people and there are rules around how the DOJ is supposed to handle this, it seems to me that perhaps the DOJ has a huge problem itself with leaks. Do people do this for money, for the notoriety, or because they see themselves as patriots? Seems to me some housecleaning is in order.
hoping that trump will get off on some legal technicality are you? the POS is probably going to die in federal prison, if he doesn't blow a gasket beforehand. nobody is above the law. you might want to mentally prepare yourself...
And you might want to re-read post 12 to see what I actually said in there. What I said was nothing about a legal technicality for Trump, it was all pointed directly at the DOJ and their history of leaks. If you read my posts and can only see me trying to defend Trump you would be better served by putting me on ignore because you are not reading and comprehending what I am saying.
With this sensational, breaking news happening there's bound to be all sorts of conjecture flying around, doesn't mean there is leaking from the DOJ.
some people have access to the public record before others.
I did read this morning in another news article about this where it mentioned that the indictment is not sealed, so that could have allowed for this to come out.
They are called industry "sources." Moreover, they come in all sorts of shapes, sizes, and cuts.
Cue the “whatabout” complaints. But every case is unique. There are critical details in one case that separate it from others and determine a different course.
Some, of course, will always believe that this is purely political. Well, he’ll have a chance to make that case, just like anyone else would.
it sounds a little like somebody might have squealed in their appearance before the florida grand jury...
Whew. I thought the indictment of trump for something.....anything......would never come. I am 5 or so years past the point of giving a shit though.