TWO AND A HALF YEARS!!!! Seems to me the American Wheels of Justice need a bit of oil, or is that a problem concerning global warming? And you ain't seen nuthin' yet - the many ways to delay the proceedings will be exercised in their fullest. You'll be lucky to see this finalized in another two and a half years if not more.
The Wheels of Justice may turn slow but it's effective in this case. One should never rush the gathering of evidence especially if the goal is a guilty verdict
This is a political minefield, with one of our two major political parties slavishly loyal to the man who has been indicted.
For the sake of our "rule of law", the prosecution absolutely must cross every "t" and dot every "i". It must be perfectly clear that the trial(s) are justified, and unfold according to the law. There must be a stark contrast with Trump's totally unjustified call to "Lock her up!"
F ormer president Donald Trump says a third criminal indictment against him will become public at 5.00 pm ET, just hours after the Washington, DC grand jury hearing evidence in the probe into his attempts to overturn the 2020 election ended work for the day.
The ex-president appeared to announce the impending charges against him late Tuesday in a post to his Truth Social website.
“I hear that Deranged Jack Smith, in order to interfere with the Presidential Election of 2024, will be putting out yet another Fake Indictment of your favorite President, me, at 5:00 P.M,” he wrote.
An indictment has been handed down. Now it is just a question of when the specifics will be announced.
What surprises me is that in this gun-crazy gun-loving nation great Presidents like Lincoln and Kennedy get shot but this piece of shit American humiliation is still walking around spouting his garbage and so many Americans treat him like the Golden Calf.
June 7 : FBI releases documents to Congress alleging the Bidens took a $10M bribe from Burisma. \
June 8 : Jack Smith indicts Trump in Mar-a-Lago docs case.
July 26: Hunter Biden goes to court and rejects sweetheart plea deal after it was revealed DOJ tried to give him blanket immunity from future prosecutions.
July 27 : Jack Smith adds more charges for Trump in the Mar-a-lago case.
July 31 : Hunter Biden's former business partner testifies to Congress that Joe Biden was on over 20 calls with his son's business partners and that Burisma execs pressured them to fire the prosecutor
August 1 : Jack Smith indicts Trump again for January 6.
Some of our friends on the right are completely cracking up.
This indictment was foretold at least two weeks ago.
This is almost exactly the same timeline used in the prior indictment.
As far as having some relation to the Biden "investigation", there is no such thing as a day when the crackpot GOP congressmen are not claiming this or that about Biden. So there is no day that would have been a good day to indict Trump from that perspective.
Well.... the jury being comprised of members from Maryland may have something to say about that.
In reading thru the indictment, it does seem like it's going to be a harder case for the government to win however. Don't they need to prove intent? How much of this was political speech and how much was inciting the crowd? And this is not the first time a presidential contender has lost the election and tried to use the courts or other legal means to find a win, but Trump did go further with this than others have. Just don't know how this will all play out, should be interesting to watch however.
Then please spell out in detail where in that post I did provide any cover for Trump. Was it where I said this might be a harder case for the government to win? Or when I asked if they need to prove intent to convict? Or was it where I said that Trump went further than any other presidential loser?
There is zero legitimate comparison between Trump and previous presidential losers. Donald Trump approved of a plan to have his vice president essentially declare him the winner of the election. In order to do that they would have to throw out the votes of millions of people in the "disputed" states. He is a traitor. He'll be a traitor next week, next year, and a hundred years from now.
What bullshit. Are you really trying to tell me that no other presidential loser has tried to use the courts to overturn the loss? Or is it merely because I'm not screaming to have Trump burned at the stake? Did you miss the statement where I said Trump went further than any other who attempted to use the courts to overturn a loss?
You are so wrapped up in hating all things Trump that you cannot see the forest for the trees. You toss out a bullshit accusation and when asked to back it up you throw out banal extremism to try to make your point.
But you do win one contest, I'm done trying to have a conversation with you. You demand that any reply to you must be in goosestep with your ideals and I refuse to play your game.
No shit, glad you caught that. Just how many court cases did he lose before Jan 6th? Yes I know these indictments are about Jan 6th, and that's why I said what I did in the first fucking post where I thought this would be a harder case for the government to win.
No one has ever done what Trump tried to do. Not even close. To put him in with a bunch of other previous losers is crazy and shows the motivation of the person saying it.
To put him in with a bunch of other previous losers is crazy and shows the motivation of the person saying it.
Only in your opinion. That and $5 will still get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks, go live it up.
Guess you completely ignored where I said that Trump took it further than anybody else. Maybe you should try to read the words that are actually there instead of trying to apply your "Trump" filter to every conversation.
In reading thru the indictment, it does seem like it's going to be a harder case for the government to win however. Don't they need to prove intent?
You bet they do. As was shown in the HRC case, it is almost impossible to prove. He talked, people heard what they wanted to, and acted like dumbasses.
The indictments are not dependent on tying him to the rioters, although the narrative in the indictment does do that. The text of the indictment follows a chronological path through what Trump and the other conspirators were doing from the time Joe Biden was declared the winner by the news services and the evening of Jan 6th, and it does include commentary on Trumps jan 6th speech and his actions or non actions as the riot was unfolding.
t dependent on tying him to the rioters, although the narrative in the indictment does do that.
yeah, they might be waiting for a more politically beneficial time to drop a superseding indictment, maybe when more dirt comes out about the Bidens or if Trump has a lead in the middle of the fall.
It seems clear that there was incitement in fact, but I don't know the legal criteria to make that charge stick in court.
Obviously Trump did nothing to calm the insurgents, but is there a criminal charge for that? "Criminal negligence"? A President who does nothing while insurgents attack the Capitol... that may not quite qualify as treason, but...
Given it has been over three days since I suggested you read the indictment and then make an informed case backing up your foolish claim that the charges in the indictment are bogus, I will make the assumption that your lack of a rebuttal means you are now much better informed.
Trump has engaged in atrocious behavior and it looks like in doing so he has committed federal crimes.
Rather than defend this abysmal character and nominate him to run for PotUS, the GOP should be aggressively condemning his actions and actively working to save their nomination for someone fit to serve.
That's actually the cover of a book by John Klotsche titled:
Donald John Trump: MEMEoir of a Stable Genius
"This book contains 245 political satire memes, all about President Trump and his presidency. It is 12 chapters, each with a brief introductory narrative about the chapter's subject matter. The topics are broad in scope involving personal, family, but mainly topical domestic and international political issues. It is original work product and I believe, politically speaking, rather timely.
It is a rare day when Donald Trump doesn't dash off an utterance or executive order provoking needless nervousness in the financial markets or rapid ruckus in the domestic or international political theater; not to mention angst or anger with a slice of voters. Most of this hubbub is unrehearsed, unnecessary and often countermanded or modified, usually quietly or nuanced. Trump's presidency has not only been unpredictable and chaotic, but also occasionally dangerous.
The 245 political satire memes in my work are meant to both entertain and inform. The entertainment ones take serious liberties with the facts and feature a lighthearted side of this presidency. The informative align more closely with reality and are designed to demonstrate that the stakes are enormous for the business of the presidency between now and November 3, 2020, the consequential election date. In short, the work strives to elicit both smiles and encourage critical thought."
I believe in the rule of law, not political expediency. The acts described in the indictment should disqualify him politically, from being President. They aren't crimes.
When people start taking power instead of having it bestowed on them constitutionally via elections, the Republic is over. That's exactly what Trump tried to do. He knew he'd lost the election, didn't care, and tried to hold onto power anyway. That's the attempt to defraud the United States.
We all watched a good portion of it happen live, in real time, starting just a few days after the election. A boatload of additional information has come out since. Haven't you been paying attention?
Maybe not so much made-up crimes, but Smith does have a history of pushing laws to extremes to make a case. So far we've seen indictments which is really a one-sided argument. Now we have to wait and see how it all works out in court. Somehow it never is as clear cut as some people would like it to be.
But maybe that superpac that's been paying all his legal bills will reach the end of the limit and cut him off and he'll have to rethink what he's going to do? He is loath to spend his own money this way. Personally I would love for him to work a deal with Biden to drop out in exchange for a pardon and then he just goes away to run his business. I could live with that.
Oh please Dig, give it a break. It was unplanned and spontaneous demonstration that got ugly because of couple dozen zealots. Never came close to an insurrection which never had a chance of succeeding anyway. If Trump is convicted in a court of law of some kind of "crime", he should pay the consequences. In the meantime, keep milking this kerfuffle for all it's worth.
Conspiracy and obstructing an official proceeding are "made up crimes using novel theories"? Hardly. Ask Stewart Rhodes.
As for the McDonnell case, the jury certainly thought he was dirty. Even Justice Roberts in his opinion called McDonnell's conduct "distasteful; it may be worse than that". The Supreme Court overturned the conviction on a narrower interpretation of the federal bribery statute than the trial court allowed. Got anything else?
If you hurry up and pass the bar, you could be one of Trump's defense attorneys.
The Congressional January 6th Committee provided much of the evidence Trump has been indicted for. Kevin McCarthy shut that down, but it did not go away. Our system is geared not to prosecute former Presidents but Trump's crimes are so egregious and so heinous they demand that he pays! It has taken too long to get Trump charged in a DC court for his January 6th Conspiracy...
It was unplanned and spontaneous demonstration that got ugly because of couple dozen zealots.
There were far more than a couple dozen, for whom it was neither unplanned nor spontaneous. It's about more than Jan 6, by the way. That was just the final hurrah.
If Trump is convicted in a court of law of some kind of "crime"
Why the quotes? You think conspiracy to defraud the United States isn't a crime? Trump is an enemy of, and a traitor to the Republic, for knowingly and willingly trying to effectuate a self-coup. Are you actually on his side in all of this? You're kind of giving off that vibe.
Personally I would love for him to work a deal with Biden to drop out in exchange for a pardon and then he just goes away to run his business. I could live with that.
Jack Smith appears to be a most adept i-dotter and t-crosser.
Jack Smith is what the right wanted John Durham to be. Sadly, for the right, John Durham never had anything to start with. Jack Smith is working with what we call, "a target rich environment".
d. The Defendant and co-conspirators attempted to enlist the Vice President to use his ceremonial role at the January 6 certification proceeding to fraudulently alter the election results. First, using knowingly false claims of election fraud, the Defendant and co-conspirators attempted to convince the Vice President to use the Defendant’s fraudulent electors, reject legitimate electoral votes, or send legitimate electoral votes to state legislatures for review rather than counting them.When that failed, on the morning of January 6, the Defendant and co-conspirators repeated knowingly false claims of election fraud to gathered supporters, falsely told them that the Vice President had the authority to and might alter the election results, and directed them to the Capitol to obstruct the certification proceeding and exert pressure on the Vice President to take the fraudulent actions he had previously refused.
This is what Tig and I and others here have been saying for two years. This is the product of the Eastman memo.
the Defendant and co-conspirators attempted to convince the Vice President to use the Defendant’s fraudulent electors,
reject legitimate electoral votes,
this was the plan to throw out the electoral votes from the "disputed" states , count the rest, and have Pence declare Trump the winner of the election. This would have effectively disenfranchised millions of American voters.
or send legitimate electoral votes to state legislatures for review rather than counting them.
when it became clear that Pence would not do the throwing out the votes scheme, they had this as the fallback. Just refuse to count the votes and say that "disputes" required sending the election to the state legislatures. Problem is there were no legitimate "disputes". Every single state had certified their vote count and their electoral votes.
Before anyone says Trump was not behind this, I will remind you that in his jan 6th speech, an hour or so before the riot, Trump said that there was still time for Pence to follow "John's " plan. John was Eastman and the plan is what I posted above.
John is one of the most brilliant lawyers in the country, and he looked at this and he said, "What an absolute disgrace that this can be happening to our Constitution."
And he looked at Mike Pence, and I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so.
Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country.
Its about god damn time.
My sentiments exactly.
TWO AND A HALF YEARS!!!! Seems to me the American Wheels of Justice need a bit of oil, or is that a problem concerning global warming? And you ain't seen nuthin' yet - the many ways to delay the proceedings will be exercised in their fullest. You'll be lucky to see this finalized in another two and a half years if not more.
The Wheels of Justice may turn slow but it's effective in this case. One should never rush the gathering of evidence especially if the goal is a guilty verdict
But not if its effect is to build a fascination with and loyalty to a criminal.
This is a political minefield, with one of our two major political parties slavishly loyal to the man who has been indicted.
For the sake of our "rule of law", the prosecution absolutely must cross every "t" and dot every "i". It must be perfectly clear that the trial(s) are justified, and unfold according to the law. There must be a stark contrast with Trump's totally unjustified call to "Lock her up!"
The wheels of justice grind slowly.
An indictment has been handed down. Now it is just a question of when the specifics will be announced.
The problem being that Trump has never told the truth ever.
This time he should be jailed until after his trial...
You don’t support pre-trail detention reform like NY has implemented?
What surprises me is that in this gun-crazy gun-loving nation great Presidents like Lincoln and Kennedy get shot but this piece of shit American humiliation is still walking around spouting his garbage and so many Americans treat him like the Golden Calf.
Ummm............ Buzz??
Coherence? You're really expecting coherence from crazy people?
It sounds like Giuliani, Sydney Powell, and John Eastman were the co-conspirators. And 3 others.
Trump was raised to be a criminal by his criminal father and his mafia friends.
The nut didn't fall far from the tree.
Exactly, he’s a NY’r through and through.
Didn't his grandfather run a whore-house up north?
June 7 : FBI releases documents to Congress alleging the Bidens took a $10M bribe from Burisma. \
June 8 : Jack Smith indicts Trump in Mar-a-Lago docs case.
July 26: Hunter Biden goes to court and rejects sweetheart plea deal after it was revealed DOJ tried to give him blanket immunity from future prosecutions.
July 27 : Jack Smith adds more charges for Trump in the Mar-a-lago case.
July 31 : Hunter Biden's former business partner testifies to Congress that Joe Biden was on over 20 calls with his son's business partners and that Burisma execs pressured them to fire the prosecutor
August 1 : Jack Smith indicts Trump again for January 6.
Some of our friends on the right are completely cracking up.
This indictment was foretold at least two weeks ago.
This is almost exactly the same timeline used in the prior indictment.
As far as having some relation to the Biden "investigation", there is no such thing as a day when the crackpot GOP congressmen are not claiming this or that about Biden. So there is no day that would have been a good day to indict Trump from that perspective.
Ah, the dot conspiracy. /S
Are you seriously trying to dismiss Trump’s wrongdoing and pretend these are bogus charges based solely on politics??
Dear God, Sean...
Comparing Hunter Biden and Donald Trump is ridiculous... even for you.
Oh, wait... it isn't, is it?
Some people are wondering why the 6 co-conspirators were not indicted today.
The answer is because Smith wanted to just indict Trump to expedite the trial. The others can be charged in separate indictments.
Mark Meadows ws not described as a co-conspirator, which means he likely flipped on Trump.
It might also be a message that they may get a better deal if they cooperate now.
In reading the indictment, Pence has to be a if not the star witness. That's an interesting mix as he's also a candidate for the nomination.
Bogus charges, freedom of speech issue. No reasonable and fair jury will convict. It's all political.
Well.... the jury being comprised of members from Maryland may have something to say about that.
In reading thru the indictment, it does seem like it's going to be a harder case for the government to win however. Don't they need to prove intent? How much of this was political speech and how much was inciting the crowd? And this is not the first time a presidential contender has lost the election and tried to use the courts or other legal means to find a win, but Trump did go further with this than others have. Just don't know how this will all play out, should be interesting to watch however.
And you say you dont cover for Trump. Its hilarious.
Then please spell out in detail where in that post I did provide any cover for Trump. Was it where I said this might be a harder case for the government to win? Or when I asked if they need to prove intent to convict? Or was it where I said that Trump went further than any other presidential loser?
There is zero legitimate comparison between Trump and previous presidential losers. Donald Trump approved of a plan to have his vice president essentially declare him the winner of the election. In order to do that they would have to throw out the votes of millions of people in the "disputed" states. He is a traitor. He'll be a traitor next week, next year, and a hundred years from now.
What bullshit. Are you really trying to tell me that no other presidential loser has tried to use the courts to overturn the loss? Or is it merely because I'm not screaming to have Trump burned at the stake? Did you miss the statement where I said Trump went further than any other who attempted to use the courts to overturn a loss?
You are so wrapped up in hating all things Trump that you cannot see the forest for the trees. You toss out a bullshit accusation and when asked to back it up you throw out banal extremism to try to make your point.
But you do win one contest, I'm done trying to have a conversation with you. You demand that any reply to you must be in goosestep with your ideals and I refuse to play your game.
He is not being charged with going to court. Good god.
No shit, glad you caught that. Just how many court cases did he lose before Jan 6th? Yes I know these indictments are about Jan 6th, and that's why I said what I did in the first fucking post where I thought this would be a harder case for the government to win.
No one has ever done what Trump tried to do. Not even close. To put him in with a bunch of other previous losers is crazy and shows the motivation of the person saying it.
We're done. You can have the last word.
Only in your opinion. That and $5 will still get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks, go live it up.
Guess you completely ignored where I said that Trump took it further than anybody else. Maybe you should try to read the words that are actually there instead of trying to apply your "Trump" filter to every conversation.
You bet they do. As was shown in the HRC case, it is almost impossible to prove. He talked, people heard what they wanted to, and acted like dumbasses.
His intents was to overturn a legitimate election. All of us saw it. I don't think it will be all that difficult to prove intent.
I could be wrong
I'd guess that the difficult part of the DOJ case will be tying Trump to the rioters. I remember TV news wondering what he was doing.
I don't think it's going to be that hard to tie him to the rioters. Congress heard testimony from some of them didn't they?
The indictments are not dependent on tying him to the rioters, although the narrative in the indictment does do that. The text of the indictment follows a chronological path through what Trump and the other conspirators were doing from the time Joe Biden was declared the winner by the news services and the evening of Jan 6th, and it does include commentary on Trumps jan 6th speech and his actions or non actions as the riot was unfolding.
yeah, they might be waiting for a more politically beneficial time to drop a superseding indictment, maybe when more dirt comes out about the Bidens or if Trump has a lead in the middle of the fall.
It seems clear that there was incitement in fact, but I don't know the legal criteria to make that charge stick in court.
Obviously Trump did nothing to calm the insurgents, but is there a criminal charge for that? "Criminal negligence"? A President who does nothing while insurgents attack the Capitol... that may not quite qualify as treason, but...
You know that is not true. Why post such a foolish comment?
Stop with the insults Tig. I won't play your snide little game
Tell us all why you believe the charges to be true, factual, credible, and provable in a court of law.
You made the claim that these charges are bogus so you bear the burden to back up your claim.
Read the indictment and compare it to what all have observed. Then make a case.
You merely declaring the charges of this formal indictment bogus is foolish. If you do not want to look foolish then make a cogent, factual argument.
Fat chance.
Given it has been over three days since I suggested you read the indictment and then make an informed case backing up your foolish claim that the charges in the indictment are bogus, I will make the assumption that your lack of a rebuttal means you are now much better informed.
Trump has engaged in atrocious behavior and it looks like in doing so he has committed federal crimes.
Rather than defend this abysmal character and nominate him to run for PotUS, the GOP should be aggressively condemning his actions and actively working to save their nomination for someone fit to serve.
Stop trying to defend / make excuses for Trump!
Oooooooooooh.
What is coming? More traitors? I can believe it.
That's actually the cover of a book by John Klotsche titled:
Donald John Trump: MEMEoir of a Stable Genius
"This book contains 245 political satire memes, all about President Trump and his presidency. It is 12 chapters, each with a brief introductory narrative about the chapter's subject matter. The topics are broad in scope involving personal, family, but mainly topical domestic and international political issues. It is original work product and I believe, politically speaking, rather timely.
It is a rare day when Donald Trump doesn't dash off an utterance or executive order provoking needless nervousness in the financial markets or rapid ruckus in the domestic or international political theater; not to mention angst or anger with a slice of voters. Most of this hubbub is unrehearsed, unnecessary and often countermanded or modified, usually quietly or nuanced. Trump's presidency has not only been unpredictable and chaotic, but also occasionally dangerous.
The 245 political satire memes in my work are meant to both entertain and inform. The entertainment ones take serious liberties with the facts and feature a lighthearted side of this presidency. The informative align more closely with reality and are designed to demonstrate that the stakes are enormous for the business of the presidency between now and November 3, 2020, the consequential election date. In short, the work strives to elicit both smiles and encourage critical thought."
You can’t make or receive calls from your cell in federal prison, silly.
Cheers to you, I approve of the indictment.
I know I'm scared....LOL!
so lying about election results is a crime. Watch out Clinton, Kerry, Abrams etc...
looking through it, it criminalizes political speech and makes it a crime to follow a flawed strategy while staying within the legal process.
What the hell has happened to you?
I believe in the rule of law, not political expediency. The acts described in the indictment should disqualify him politically, from being President. They aren't crimes.
How does that take place if he has not committed a crime?
I mean that his actions should end his political career because they are disgraceful and mark him as unfit for office, even if they aren't a crime.
What crimes??
By the end of August he will be facing at least 80+ counts ... let's put it this way, he's a ham sandwich.
But its all "made up", lol.
How about trying to end the Republic, Greg?
When people start taking power instead of having it bestowed on them constitutionally via elections, the Republic is over. That's exactly what Trump tried to do. He knew he'd lost the election, didn't care, and tried to hold onto power anyway. That's the attempt to defraud the United States.
We all watched a good portion of it happen live, in real time, starting just a few days after the election. A boatload of additional information has come out since. Haven't you been paying attention?
We have now read "legal" opinions from some non-lawyers. I'll put my confidence in Jack Smith.
As always, Dig, you have stated it perfectly correct.
Good idea. He's never charged a politician with made up crimes using novel theories and been reversed unanimously by the Supreme Court before.
They dont pay attention to the correct things.
Jack Smith appears to be a most adept i-dotter and t-crosser.
Maybe not so much made-up crimes, but Smith does have a history of pushing laws to extremes to make a case. So far we've seen indictments which is really a one-sided argument. Now we have to wait and see how it all works out in court. Somehow it never is as clear cut as some people would like it to be.
But maybe that superpac that's been paying all his legal bills will reach the end of the limit and cut him off and he'll have to rethink what he's going to do? He is loath to spend his own money this way. Personally I would love for him to work a deal with Biden to drop out in exchange for a pardon and then he just goes away to run his business. I could live with that.
Oh please Dig, give it a break. It was unplanned and spontaneous demonstration that got ugly because of couple dozen zealots. Never came close to an insurrection which never had a chance of succeeding anyway. If Trump is convicted in a court of law of some kind of "crime", he should pay the consequences. In the meantime, keep milking this kerfuffle for all it's worth.
His record of winning cases is not good.
Conspiracy and obstructing an official proceeding are "made up crimes using novel theories"? Hardly. Ask Stewart Rhodes.
As for the McDonnell case, the jury certainly thought he was dirty. Even Justice Roberts in his opinion called McDonnell's conduct "distasteful; it may be worse than that". The Supreme Court overturned the conviction on a narrower interpretation of the federal bribery statute than the trial court allowed. Got anything else?
If you hurry up and pass the bar, you could be one of Trump's defense attorneys.
The Congressional January 6th Committee provided much of the evidence Trump has been indicted for. Kevin McCarthy shut that down, but it did not go away. Our system is geared not to prosecute former Presidents but Trump's crimes are so egregious and so heinous they demand that he pays! It has taken too long to get Trump charged in a DC court for his January 6th Conspiracy...
There were far more than a couple dozen, for whom it was neither unplanned nor spontaneous. It's about more than Jan 6, by the way. That was just the final hurrah.
Why the quotes? You think conspiracy to defraud the United States isn't a crime? Trump is an enemy of, and a traitor to the Republic, for knowingly and willingly trying to effectuate a self-coup. Are you actually on his side in all of this? You're kind of giving off that vibe.
I could, too
A sane person would make a deal. Any sane person...
Maybe he is going for an insanity defense.
Jack Smith is what the right wanted John Durham to be. Sadly, for the right, John Durham never had anything to start with. Jack Smith is working with what we call, "a target rich environment".
Better by a long shot than trump's record of winning court cases.
You think Trump is indicted merely because he lied? Is that truly your level of understanding regarding these charges?
In other words, what value is it to pretend obtuseness? What do you think that accomplishes?
This is what Tig and I and others here have been saying for two years. This is the product of the Eastman memo.
the Defendant and co-conspirators attempted to convince the Vice President to use the Defendant’s fraudulent electors,
reject legitimate electoral votes,
this was the plan to throw out the electoral votes from the "disputed" states , count the rest, and have Pence declare Trump the winner of the election. This would have effectively disenfranchised millions of American voters.
or send legitimate electoral votes to state legislatures for review rather than counting them.
when it became clear that Pence would not do the throwing out the votes scheme, they had this as the fallback. Just refuse to count the votes and say that "disputes" required sending the election to the state legislatures. Problem is there were no legitimate "disputes". Every single state had certified their vote count and their electoral votes.
Before anyone says Trump was not behind this, I will remind you that in his jan 6th speech, an hour or so before the riot, Trump said that there was still time for Pence to follow "John's " plan. John was Eastman and the plan is what I posted above.