The MAGA Mindset Will Destroy America As We Have Known It
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/06/donald-trump-iowa-republicans-2024-election
“They’re bringing the charges against Trump so he can’t run against Biden. Biden is so damn crooked. We’ve never had this kind of shit in this United States, ever,” he said. “Democrats are gonna keep riding [Trump’s] ass and bringing shit up against him. They don’t quit. They just don’t like him because he’s draining the swamp, and they don’t like that.”
Tom Schatz, a Howard county farmer on Iowa’s border with Minnesota.
7 years ago on this forum I made what turned out to be the most accurate prediction I ever made here. At that time , it became clearer and clearer that the "deplorables" had taken over the Republican Party and Trump had a chance to win against Clinton even though he was the most unfit for office presidential candidate in American history. I said then that eventually the biggest issue for the country associated with Trump would not be the man himself, but his followers. Now it is totally obvious that the prediction has been fulfilled.
7 years later the deplorables still control the Republican Party and the most unfit candidate in American history is still running for office.
We are long past the point where excuses can be made for Trump supporters. Last night in a speech Trump said that the prosecutor in his case is "deranged" and a sick man. Trump said he can tell Jack Smith is deranged by looking at his face. Such a jackass as Trump is has no business running for president unless it was being done for a documentary on Comedy Central.
The issue here though is not Trump himself, but his supporters . His supporters have enabled and in some sense created all this, period. Over the past 8 years there has been a veritable avalanche of information about Trump that disqualifies him for office to any reasonable and honest person. Yet the great majority of Republican voters continue to support Trump , not only for election in 2024 , but in his defense of his criminal charges.
Donald Trump sat eating potato chips and drinking diet coke as the capitol riot unfolded. This is not speculation, it is known fact as testified to the Jan 6th committee by Trumps own White House personnel. He did not try and stop the riot because he wanted the riot to succeed. This is stunningly obvious. We also know that Trump approved the so called "Eastman Memo", which was a plan to have Mike Pence , as a first option, throw out millions of Americans votes and declare unilaterally that Trump was the winner of the presidential election in 2020. When Pence showed no interest in that option they went to plan b in the Eastman plan, return the electoral votes to the states and have state legislatures (most controlled by Republicans) pick the winners. In conjunction with this Trump called various election official across the swing states and harrassed them to play ball with the plan.
These things, in themselves, should have been enough to make Trump a political pariah and drive him off the national stage, but they dont , for one reason -- MAGA. MAGA intimidates the very Republican officials that COULD force Trump off the stage and have their party move on. Trump threatens people who attempt to stop him and MAGA backs him up 100%.
Call them deplorables, call them hard core MAGA, call them traitors, it is all the same. The conservative movement in America has been captured by people who either cannot comprehend the truth or dont give a damn about it. Either way they are in the process of destroying America as we have known it.
The media always asks what can bring us back to national unity. Only one thing can do that, and that thing is the end of trumpism.
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At this point no one should give any respect to the MAGA mindset. If we have to be at war with this mentality, and I think we do, now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country.
The MAGA mindset, when all is said and done, is what enabled Trump to attempt to overthrow our duly elected government on Jan. 6th. MAGA cultists will espouse their patriotism while at the same time take actions that are against the actual core of our democracy.
Believe me. I've lost all respect for the MAGA lot here at NT.
I believe you TG.
Was there a point that you did?
This is why I found the David brooks piece from earlier this week interesting. it was a veritable unicorn in that evinced some actual self reflection about the state of America and the reason for trumps popularity. This is the typical dreck, just lashing out without a thought why about 50% of the country (including ever increasing amounts of minorities) would support trump over Biden. N
Oh I know why. I have numerous MAGA in my own family. Although in the context of their personal lives my family members that are MAGA are good people, hard workers, obey the law (basically) , and have raised good kids, bright and polite. And I think that same thing is true for many MAGA.
But the problem with MAGA is not so much what kind of people they are, but what they believe. First and foremost, many of them are racist (as are many of my family members). They are filled with grievances, the main one being that they are losing "their" country unless Donald Trump is there to stop it from happening. MAGA is against diversity of all kinds, but the problem with that is that diversity can neither be stopped or prevented, it is the course of evolution on this planet.
The by product of the MAGA grievance mindset is that our nation is paralyzed by having this incredible asshole in our news every day for 8 years. The MAGA grievance mindset enables this situation, nothing else.
As are many liberals, ESPECIALLY white liberals.
What's your point?
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That should be most MAGA. And the reason we got a Trump is due to the progressive left's attempt to remake the USA in it's image and its quest to remain in power, while they continue to destroy democracy. Trump may disappear but the core mindset of MAGA is not going away. DeSantis is very fit and well experienced and a good choice to be president.
About the only voters the Dems can count on going forward is young females. All other groups are trending right.
The reason we have Trump is because people like you voted for him and defend him.
The GOP should have detached from Trump when he engaged in his Big Lie campaign.
The fault for Trump goes to his supporters and defenders.
The fault is that dems nominated the only person a game show host could beat.
Go preach to the Democrats; their media sycophants, and their lemming voters who went and installed Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine.
Who, in case you missed it, is guilty of everything the Democrats are accusing Trump of; but Garland/Wray are to much of a toady to do anything about it. Classified documents- he has been keeping those since was a damn Senator- and kept right on with the practice while he was VP- in unsecured locations; and they still don't have a damn clue if they found them all yet. Taking money from foreign countries and businesses for political influence. Far more evidence against Brandon and his family than there ever was against Trump- but Democrats have their heads stuck so far up Brandon's ass they are more than willing to go down with him.
"But Trruuummmmpppppp!!!!!!!" the leftist battle cry gets more pathetic and desperate every damn day.
Where and when have I defended him?
How on earth can you support and defend Biden's crimes and policies?
Of course Biden is the fault of the Ds. You are deflecting, you and the GOP are at fault for Trump.
Deflection is dishonest.
I am critical of Biden too. You have no rebuttal so you pretend that I am a blind partisan like you. Always the same bullshit with Trump defenders.
Get a grip. I doubt anyone reads your emotional rants; I certainly do not.
You cannot stand up against Trump and cannot defend the indefensible so you engage in the most common dishonest tactic of Trump defenders … deflection.
You, by the way, defend Trump every time you indicate that his indictments are bogus. Do you truly not recognize what you have been doing?
The only problem with that theory is I have never voted for trump or given any support to any of his campaigns. As long as he is treated fairly in court i really dont care what happens to him. I wish he would drop out of the race. But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.
Some think if you are not condemning Trump with every waking breath you are defending him. If you say you want him to be treated fairly as the constitution says he should be you want the destruction of democracy as we know it.
Allegations without convictions amount to innocence, as do impeachments that fail.
And you're a fine one to scold others about deflection while so deep in partisan denial.
The majority of us believe in due process, why don't you?
Nope. Accusations without evidence might amount to innocence, but an acquittal by itself doesnt. Have you ever heard of jury nullification?
Quite a number of "guilty" people get off for various reasons.
Exactly, like OJ.
Will you vote for Trump if he is the nominee?
When someone declares the charges in the latest Trump indictment "bogus", do you think that is an objective view of the indictment or support/defense of Trump?
Not a trick question. Not a difficult question to answer, either. Just be honest and it rolls off the tongue.
None of these people here who bleat on about "treating Trump fairly" have ever criticized him for trying to steal the election and overthrow the government, not even anything remotely close to that.
You are pretending that you did not declare the Trump indictment to be nothing but bogus charges.
If you wish to change your position then I will change my criticism. But as long as you hold that the indictment is bogus I will properly criticize your defense of Trump.
To wit, if you cannot stand by your words, don't write them in a post.
I don't determine who I will vote for well over a year before the election before the nominations haven't been decided.
Exactly. They all play the same stupid game thinking readers are too dumb to see it.
They make excuses for Trump, ignore his actions and instead deflect.
They are playing a game rather than acknowledge the failure of the GOP and, in some cases, their past (and present and future) support of Trump.
I would need to know exactly why the person thought they were bogus.
Thus you might vote for Trump.
So don't pretend otherwise. Don't claim you never voted for Trump if you might indeed do so.
Really? You think there might be a reason for why the 45 page indictment charges are bogus?
Did you read the indictment? Do you see anything in that indictment that deserves it to be categorically cast as bogus?? Think for yourself. Form your own opinion.
You are deflecting rather than deal with my question.
By the way, the given reason for "bogus" is that the indictment is just a political move. One of the GOP talking points. No argument of substance on the content was offered (of course).
They will all vote for Trump when the time comes. They are fooling no one.
Don't claim you never voted for Trump if you might indeed do so.
That is one of the more ridiculous things you have ever said. Don't say you haven't voted for him because you might in the future. You do realize one is about what has happened in the past and one is about what may or may not happen in the future don't you?
You were talking about someone else and my response was I would have to know more about what they were thinking. I answered and once again you don't like what you hear so you change the discussion and throw out bogus accusations of deflection. It is both tiresome and boring.
Why would you think anyone is trying to fool you? Why would you think you are important enough in someones life for them to lie to you because they care what you think of them?
LOL. I have been observing you people for years now. I can practically read your minds. Of course reading your two faced posts is much easier.
All you have to do is say you would never vote for the traitor Trump under ANY circumstances, because he tried to steal the election. Its not like it is a controversial conclusion to draw.
You certainly have a high opinion or yourself Karnak.
You can probably tell from the title of this seed that I have no use for MAGA. Other people can be nice to them if they want. That ship sailed for me a long time ago.
As President Biden says, we are in a battle for the soul of our nation. MAGA is the enemy , and will be until they change their ways.
You claimed you never voted for Trump to illustrate that you are not a Trump supporter.
Then instead of stating that you would not vote for Trump in 2024, you wrote that it is too early for you to decide. Thus, you might vote for Trump.
If you cannot defend your words, don’t post them.
Again you deflect.
Do you think the charges in the latest Trump indictment are bogus? Think for yourself and weigh in.
I predict you will again deflect.
So if someone doesn't say exactly what you want to hear that somehow translates into "They will all vote for Trump when the time comes." Quite the leap.
I don't need to defend my words to someone that goes off the wall if he doesn't get exactly what he wants. The simple truth is I have not supported him in the past and I am not a soothsayer so I don't predict or make promises about what I will or will not do in the future. That is your problem if you don't like or won't accept my answer, I am not going to let you make it mine.
It is a moronic game that is played. You, et. al. pretend that you can write anything and then deny the meaning of your words.
For example, you have made it clear that Trump remains an option ... that you might vote for Trump given the circumstances at the time. When I state that this means you might vote for Trump you object. Simple logic, but you do not like the consequences of your words so you deny them.
Well which is it then RDTC? Might you vote for Trump or will you continue to never vote for Trump? Take a stand instead of playing.
Here is an example, I will state my position with no waffling or other fearful bullshit:
I will never vote for Trump. There is no circumstance where I would cast a vote for Trump to be PotUS.
Which means that you might vote for Trump. Ergo, you are part of the reason why Trump has power today. There are other people like you who might vote for Trump. If you folks were instead adamant against putting such Trump in office, he would likely NOT be the frontrunner.
Not getting the answer you want does not a deflection make. But uou keep on accusing everyone of drflecting, it is cute. I have not read the indictment nor do I care enough to read it. If it is true that you could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich then it is no surprise. I will let the justice system play out.
I have already answered that question.
Trump has power because people might vote for him? Trump has power because of the people that will vote for him. You are getting sillier and sillier with every post.
No, the fault lies with the people who voted for that fucktard trump.
Not having a president who is a traitor is less important to some people than not having a president who turns the wrong way when he leaves a stage.
Maybe if they were given a choice........
Another bullshit line. When you, et. al. get called out for deflection you pull out the "did not get the answer you want" bullshit card.
The reality is that you refuse to answer and I refuse to allow you to get away with bullshit.
Now you admit that you have not even read the indictment because you think indictments have no credibility "you could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich". It is laughable that you somehow believe that people reading your words cannot see that you are making excuses for Trump. You dismiss a substantive indictment without reading it as something that has no value. I am confident that if Biden is indicted you will change your tune.
Yes. If there were not a large group of people who might vote for Trump if nominated and these people instead were adamantly refusing to support Trump, Trump would not be the frontrunner. You do not comprehend how that works?
This is not complicated.
You are part of the problem. Your position that you might vote for Trump is support for Trump.
Even back in 2016 Trump was the most unqualified and unfit for office candidate in American history. Yet we hear how they had "no choice" but to vote for him. Which is why they were the deplorables. All the cards are on the table now. MAGA and MAGA alone is responsible for Trump being the GOP leader. Its not Biden's fault, its not black lives matters fault, its not some random trans person's fault, its MAGA's fault.
We are at the point where the rest of us have to make that known every day.
Tough row to hoe right? Addled old fool or narcissistic meglomanic?....
Maybe someday.....
Now you use the other common bullshit tactic of claiming to answer a question when all you did was deflect.
You might vote for Trump is the meaning of your words. And you refusing to directly answer my clarifying question where I give you the opportunity to set things straight further emphasizes that you indeed might vote for Trump.
Some people reading my words will just see what they want to see and fill in the blanks with made up shit to make themselves feel better or superior. Others will read it as it was intended. The fact is there is a saying that a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich even if you don't like it. It is also a fact that being indicted doesn't mean shit about guilt or innocence even if you don't like it. You are also wrong if you think I would say anything differently if biden were indicted. No surprise there, you are wrong in the vast majority of assumptions.
Unfortunately I don't see things getting better in the near future. What we need is a great uniter.......oooops.
I answered the question. Tough if you didn't get the exact wording you wanted.
These are only a few of the reasons Trump was unfit for office PRIOR to the 2016 election, as listed in the above link
Trump cares only about Trump. He has and will throw anyone under the bus and that includes our nation. He proved that he will throw our nation into a turmoil simply because his ego cannot deal with losing. Such an individual should NEVER hold a position of power.
It is irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic to put someone like that in the most powerful office on the planet.
Biden should never be PotUS either, but he at least attempts to do what is right for the nation. The Ds should find a way to encourage him to not run and put someone else as their nominee. There are plenty of D candidates who are better for this nation than Trump.
You had three:
Trump
Clinton
Don't vote
(Third party could be a choice as well.)
This, above all else. Yet the Nutters simply don't see it... Makes no sense at all.
You deflected. But anyone reading this thread knows that you indicated that you might vote for Trump in 2024 (and refuse to deny that), so who cares if you have never voted for him in the past.
You are part of the group that gives Trump his current power.
Trump won because he wasn't Clinton and biden won because he wasn't trump. Pretty shitty way to pick a president.
Nutters? So you don't think...
We are talking about politics right?...
You are part of the group that gives Trump his current power
Nope. Too big of a jump for any rational person to make.
Or maybe I should be held responsible for robbing a liquor store because some day I might rob a liquor store because I won't say there is absolutely no way I will ever rob a liquor store.
Your position that you might vote for Trump is support for Trump
I might vote for anyone running. That must mean I support everyone.
At the end of the day, trump was elected because people VOTED for him. Not Clinton's fault, Not Biden's fault. Learn "cause and effect".
What?.....
Look a little deeper. Why did so many people vote for him? Learn 5 why root cause analysis. Just don't learn it from kamala, she wouldn't recognize a root cause if it shit on her head.
Early campaign support / power is based on polls. We are in the early campaign.
Those like you who might vote for Trump are statistically a potential Trump vote. Potential votes empower Trump. They encourage people to rally around Trump. They contribute to Trump's momentum.
It is you and those who think like you that give Trump his power. Those who poll with "I would never vote for Trump" reduce his power. The GOP has failed to take a hard stand against Trump and you contribute to this failure.
It is you and those who think like you that give Trump his power.
It doesn't matter how many times you say it. It is still bullshit.
Amazing that you fail to understand why Trump is the frontrunner.
But worse is that you would actually consider voting for Trump.
There were more choices than that. You still had Pence and Kaine. In 2016 in no way could I even contemplate voting for Hillary and I didn't like Trump. Since Comey cleared the way to make sure president Hillary wouldn't face impeachment, a vote for Kaine was a vote for Hillary, so that was a no go and a no vote for either and/or third party was taking a chance for a Hillary presidency. But since the media, democrats, and about every other talking head predicted that Trump wouldn't make it to inauguration, the first 100 days, or would immediately get impeached, Pence became a safe bet, sure we would have to suffer Trump for a little while but it would be worth it to keep Hillary from being president. So this time around it will be the VP pick that determines my vote and also this time a word to the democrats, if Trump wins, don't drop the f-ing ball again.
OMG.
That is the worst reasoning for a presidential vote I have ever heard.
You might recall that after the traitor was impeached for the last time, a couple weeks after most of the GOP senators said he was responsible for Jan 6th, only six or seven of them voted guilty on impeachment. To impeach Trump at the beginning of 2025, will take 66 votes in the Senate. If we assume the same party breakdown we have now that means again 16 Republicans will be needed to vote guilty. Now, if Trump has just won the election and has taken power again , do you seriously believe 16 Republicans will vote to impeach him? The thought is absurd.
If trmp gets the nomination you will read very different words coming from those whom you are currently conversing with
Really, explain then how you would go about voting in a way to make sure that a candidate (A) you don't ever want to be elected to the presidency doesn't in any way profit from your vote, even though you don't like the other choice, candidate (B), either, now add in the information that (B) wouldn't be in office that long and would be removed almost immediately, leaving the (B) VP still there, your vote still didn't profit (A). A no vote for either A or B could profit A as well as a third party vote. OK, now explain why this is the worst reasoning in 3....2....1....GO!
Amazing that you think people that say nothing or are not even involved in who is running yet somehow support Trump.
Amazing that you can't understand people wanting to wait until all the dust has settled before making a decision. There is a year and a few months to go.
Your hate of Trump is blinding you to accept not everyone thinks like you or according to your timetable
Pure conjecture on your part.
Some people just can't comprehend anyone disliking Hildabeast enough to vote for Trump. It is why he won but they will blame it on a million other things.
I guess you have it all figured out.
Rather than try and unwind that I would suggest to you that Trump will not be impeached in 2025 and that his VP candidate will be someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Matt Gaetz, two choices that could serve as insurance against him getting impeached.
That was my reasoning for 2016 and 2020 and here you are jumping to 2024 (admittedly I may end up using the same reasoning in 2024) and we don't even know if Trump will be a valid candidate yet, but if he ends up being the "R" nominee again, my vote may rely on what happens in the "D" primaries and the eventual nominee, I may no vote or seriously look third party.
The day people went to vote in November of 2016, before he was elected , Trump was the most unqualified, the most unfit, the most dishonest and the most corrupt presidential candidate in American history.
Amazing isn't it? Trump won because the democrats had a shittier candidate, Biden won for the same reason.
All that baggage and he STILL won. Go figure huh?
You act like thats something to brag about.
Assuming that is true it goes to show you just how bad Hildabeast was.
Yet for all his baggage he was still better for the country than Joe (Bernie Lomax) Biden.
Just admit it, you are MAGA. You support a traitor to return to the White House. If he makes it that will be on you and people like you, no one else. MAGA and the political right is the biggest enemy foreign or domestic, that America faces today.
We have to end all this pretense that MAGA fools can be reasoned with or rehabilitated. They have to lose.
I really think some people won't be happy until this nation is ruled by one man, a dictator, tyrant, whatever, pick your poison. All because that man "speaks like they do".
They want rioting in the streets and people killing each other over ideology just so they can sit back and tell us "we told you so"
I have no intention of admitting something that is not true, no matter how much cajoling, foot stomping and head exploding you and a few others do. Especially the way you and some others define MAGA.
You do what you want, it only shows the far left has lost all sense of compromise and will stop at nothing to remain in power. I am sure the independents will take a good look at that when deciding who not to support.
It is sad that we have been relegated to choosing the lesser of two evils.
Exactly. of course some here want to make you believe if you withhold judgement for the time being you are supporting Trump. I also have a feeling that they will say if you no vote or vote third party that you are really supporting Trump. Anything short of saying you would not vote for Trump even if he was the last person alive is supporting Trump.
It also seems they believe if they call you MAGA enough it will make you change what you might do.
Silly and sad.
Although Trump has always, without a shadow of a doubt, been the worst and most unfit presidential candidate in American history, it is even more obvious with every passing day. MAGA's such as yourself ignore reality and claim he could be a viable and good choice depending on the opponent. It is ridiculous, and one of the reasons I say America must defeat MAGA.
There is a huge difference between a good choice and the least terrible choice. That is a reality you refuse to see.
Many people feel the same way about far left wing socialists such as yourself that keep doing things against the best interest of Americans. Joes approval rating shows that. The only people that think Joe is a viable candidate are those that are not paying attention to what he is actually doing and those that hate Trump so much they would vote for Putin before Trump.
He probably knew you were going to say that.
There is barely a person on the face of this earth that Trump would be a better choice than.
Joe Biden is not a far left socialist. That idea is the product of the insanity that has overtaken conservatism in America.
You are welcome to your opinion.
Joe may or may not be but the people pulling his strings certainly are. He ran as a moderate(when he came out of his basement) and a unifier, he is far from that. He lied to the American people and sold them a bill of goods. If lying to the American people disqualifies someone from being president he should stop running now. I would say he should step down but that would leave Kamelbreath and I would rather have a lying sack of shit in the office that an ignorant lying sack of shit. The lesser of two evils, know what I mean?
He's calling you the far left socialist, not Biden
I am happy to say that we have to fight MAGA. That far right ideology has gone over the edge and is not redeemable. So I hardly expect any MAGA or Trump supporter to agree with me.
Maybe, but I'm not so sure
Or moderates or independents or Republicans that don't buy into your definition of MAGA or anyone not wearing Trump colored glasses.
I would say that both the left and the right have their fringe that need to be put in the closet but I am familiar with your feelings about anyone suggesting both sides have their issues. The squad need to be stamped out just as much as the few far right wing nuts, if not more.
"He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named"?
You have had chance after chance after chance to say that you will never vote for the traitor again under any circumstances, and you refuse to do it. It is what it is, you are acting like MAGA and will be treated as such.
Funny that the only people that treat me as such are right here on NT, no one that actually knows me. And considering who they are here I consider it a badge of honor. I have withstood the badgering, name calling, bullying, accusations, and invitations down the rabbit hole and You know I'm still standing better than I ever did. Looking like a true survivor, feeling like a little kid
Just goes to show your taste quite possibly might all be in your mouth.
And some don't. What's your point?
Why did you leave out "or R" and at the end "or Biden"?
While I was away, it hit me, will you, JR, Tessylo, Bob Nelson, McFrost, etc. join me and during the primaries, if your state is open primary like Michigan, vote for someone other than Trump on the republican side, the kicker is this, you need to vote for the one that is in second behind Trump or if possible is leading Trump, that would be your best chance to use your vote to stop Trump. Spread it out far and wide, remember not to vote the least likely to win as most D's who switch to the R ballot do, what you/I am trying to do is stop Trump, right, or would you not even do this?
I'm still standing. Yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm still standing. Yeah, yeah, yeah
Because you have plenty of your own bullshit?
So you don't actually want to take action to stop Trump? Trump only has to win the plurality during the primaries and if enough "D's" show up and vote the next popular candidate that would be your best chance to stop Trump in the primaries, but with that one comment it seems you actually want Trump to win the nomination.
Good work. It looks like you uncovered a closet trump supporter. Some folks would rather tell others what they have to do instead of actually doing something themselves.
Because I was talking about what D voters would do.
As for voting in the R primary, that is certainly an option I would take. You should already know that I am against Trump getting the nomination so it is not clear why you felt the need to ask such a question.
One hundred percent narcissism.
Most blind left wing partisanship will do that to some.
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Learn the meaning of words before you use them.
Do you understand the concept of offering a graceful out? The idea of making it easy for someone to set the record straight?
Tone down the trolling.
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I was honored to be given the opportunity. I was also given "chance after chance after chance to say that you will never vote for the traitor again under any circumstances". Such magnanimous gestures that I have squandered.
As they insist they are not partisan while calling you one. Funny stuff.
Some folks try so hard to be taken seriously yet fall so short.
No one needed or wanted it. The statement was clear to anyone not looking for specific words.
Don't be so hard on yourself. One of these days you will give the approved answer and make the world spin once again.
Exactly...
My 3.1.121 stands true.
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Indeed, you have stated that you might vote for Trump. No matter what this traitor has done, you would still actually consider voting to put him in the most powerful office on the planet.
And don't forget the MAGA accusations. I have to wonder if that strategy actually ever works. I have yet to see it.
There you go! Then why did you have a dozen more posts about it?(That is a rhetorical question, I really don't care).
And for the record there is a very low percent chance I would actually do it I just won't emphatically rule it out. Trump might be the exact person we need in the event of a Zombie apocalypse, who knows? But that is not good enough for you because I don't give you exactly what you want. So I suggest take a deep breath, have a little Makers Mark and come to accept that You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you'll find
you get what you need.
They were in response to your posts. See how that works?
And, thus, as I have explained, you are part of the group that gives Trump his power. If you, and those who think like you, were to hold that you would never vote for Trump then your group would negatively affect Trump's polling and, as I have noted, at this stage of the campaign it is the polls that drive public opinion and affect momentum.
Instead, those who think like you contribute to Trump's momentum because you are statistically part of the group that might vote for Trump. And at this stage, after all that Trump has done, those who still might vote for Trump are almost certainly deemed a sure vote for Trump if he is nominated.
Just run of the mill bullies if you ask me. Prone to tantrums if they don't get their way.
Nobody is forced to justify anything. You, et. al. are free to not respond. But if you are engaging in a news forum then you should expect to be challenged and you ought to have the balls to honestly deal with the challenge. Most of the time with contemporary Trump supporters (and those who 'might' vote for him) that is not the case. Most of the time it is snide, vague spitball trolling like your comment.
And as I have explained just because you keep on saying it doesn't make it any less bullshit.
I guess that is a no on the makers mark and listening to some stones then?
Sort of like your "See how that works" comment?
Explain how it is bullshit. What gives Trump his power other than public opinion? And how is public opinion measured?
Do you actually think Trump would be the frontrunner if he did not have polls showing public support? Do you think he would even be in the race if the polls indicated that voters would not vote for him?
Instead of whining that you are challenged, engage in an intellectual debate. State facts, offer logic. The vacuous 'that is bullshit' comment is a cop-out.
You complained that I have written multiple comments yet, as I noted, my comments were in reply to your comments. You pretended that I was serially posting when in reality I was simply providing a reply to each of your comments.
Be honest if you want respectful treatment.
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I have noted, at this stage of the campaign it is the polls that drive public opinion and affect momentum.
The people giving Trump power are the ones that say they will vote for him if he is the nominee. The vast majority of Americans are not paying any attention to any of this at this point. Almost everyone that is not a certified Trump hater would probably say they might vote for him. It is called an undecided voter. There are lots of them even when they are walking into a polling booth. I am sure you are aware of that
And at this stage, after all that Trump has done, those who still might vote for Trump are almost certainly deemed a sure vote for Trump if he is nominated.
That is most certainly bullshit. There are millions of independent voters that will say they are undecided. To say they are most certainly going to vote for Trump if he is nominated is an extra scoop of bullshit.
So take your bullshit and trolling someplace else, I am not buying what you are trying to sell.
Yet you have proven you knew exactly what I meant all along and you kept on going anyway. Trying to get me to use the exact words you wanted
It is not me being dishonest.
Wrong. Trump’s power comes from those who say they will vote for him and those who say they might vote for him.
The GOP would not be in its current mess if more people would have made it clear that they WILL NOT vote for Trump.
Again, at this stage, anyone who state that they still might vote for Trump given all we know about him are plausible Trump voters.
Finally, ‘undecided’ is not a synonym for ‘might vote for Trump’. I am undecided but will not vote for Trump. So you equivocating as ‘undecided’ is nonsense.
Of course I knew what you meant; never even implied otherwise. And I have been quoting your words when I responded to your denial of their implications. Pretending that I did not represent your words is more dishonesty by you.
You cannot 'get by' claiming you might vote for Trump while pretending that a possible vote for Trump by people who think like you is not helping Trump secure the nomination.
Odd. I don't feel paralyzed. I just sort of get on with my day. Go to work. Pay bills. Have a beer or two. Go on vacation now and then.
Are you sure I'm paralyzed? I always imagined it would be more debilitating.
C'mon, John...
You know that these people are perfectly aware that Joe is far from socialist. They're just pushing buttons, trying to own a lib.
Why do you play their game?
I am not so sure about that, Bob. Many of these folks have demonstrated a ‘bumper sticker’ depth understanding of socialism. And they have many contradictory versions of same.
But they are all so confident that they have an expert understanding of the subject matter.
I dont play their game, I play my game.
True... but even a "bumper-sticker level" understanding would be sufficient to know that Joe isn't socialist.
It's just more trolling.
The funny thing is they are the ones to blame for Trump either being on the news or being discussed 24/7.
Why would anyone want to own a lib. All they do is want to talk about Trump, the demise of democracy and leach off of people that work for a living.
It is funny when people come to Joes rescue when someone uses the term socialist when talking about him yet are conspicuously silent the couple dozen times a day when the term fascist is used incorrectly.
It is especially funny when a self proclaimed "non partisan" does it.
Silent? They are some of the loudest voice here shouting fascist.;
Sad that deflection is their strong suit.
And then expect you to defend something you never said. It is a worn out tactic that some insist on keeping around.
Unemployment is 3.5%
The great majority of those who do not work and are not counted in unemployment figures are elderly, disabled, children, or caretakers of one of the above.
People who are able bodied and dont work are only eligible for "welfare" for a limited time and the help they do receive from the government is very minimal.
In other words, cut the fricking crap.
Just to clear up how far you would go (you I would consider an independent but the others look to be hardcore "D"), some would consider and action like this as underhanded even though the "D's" do this almost every election cycle in Michigan during the primaries, that is how Tudor Dixon won the nomination for governor and the least likely "R's" in the state to win won their nominations.
One that I mentioned has already came out against this plan, would you consider her as "part of the problem"?
No one cares what the unemployment rate is. They care if they can put food on the table and maybe have a few dollars left over to do something. His 35 or so % approval rating on how he is handling the economy would show that people are not swayed by the 3.5% he (and you) keep touting as a success.
People who are able bodied and dont work are only eligible for "welfare" for a limited time and the help they do receive from the government is very minimal.
That is true for some. Others have made sucking of the governments teat a career choice.
In other words stop with the shiny object in hopes people are stupid enough to ignore what is happening to them.
Your otherwise excellent analysis has just one flaw: Donald Trump is indeed a fascist.
Individual credit card debt hit $1.03 trillion in the second quarter, up 4.6% from $986 billion in the first quarter. A new economic record.
It's important to call a thing by its proper name. Republicans today are either outright fascists, or at the least fascist-fellow-travelers.
I dont recall talking about credit card debt.
You were trying to pass off some stats showing the economy if wonderful. He was showing a stat that may contradict the assessment of a wonderful economy.
More proof that there are lots of people that don't know the meaning of the word.
I only hope people will start soon.
I disagree with many Repub leaders views and find some of them dangerous. On these pages and in the media, however, many used the term without any historical reference. Fascism arose in the early 20th Century as a way with dealing with problems that don't exist today. We haven't just lost millions of young men to a war, we don't have a great depression, we don't see empires breaking up, etc.
In both Italy and Germany, most of the federal service were opposed to democracy, it's just the opposite here. They were both militaristic societies and we are moving in the opposite direction unless you think the Biden's Defence Budgets are that of a war monger.
There are some dangerous politicians on the far right who are willing to break all sorts of norms to win at any cost and favor racism over individual liberty and collaboration with violence.
Likewise there are dangerous politicians on the far left who are growing more radical, less tolerant and more aggressive.
People don't buy groceries on credit in a strong economy.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
His public career has been marked by: I was actually for that before I was against it, kind of guy.
Well said but you may want to duck. I would expect a few bothsiderism bombs to be lobbed your way.
Wow, so not only is Joe a socialist but also a fascist too! I didn't think that was possible.
Pretty sad if he is all they have to try and prove Trump is anything.
Calamine lotion may help.
It was bullshit the first two times you gave a link, do you think the third time will be any better?
S-o-o-o sad...
Yes, it is
This was addressed to someone else... but if the shoe fits, feel free to wear it.
I had the link on my clipboard, so....
Are you in the habit of wearing other folks shoes because they fit you?
Some people equate government programs with socialism. By that simplistic and distorted view, every nation is socialist and every politician in favor of social programs is a socialist.
But it is trolling nonetheless.
I hope you really don't expect an answer. Some folks only want to invite others down the rabbit hole and don't like being invited to defend their position or commitment.
Some people equate fascism with anything they don't like.
Do you consider that trolling also?
Those who literally use the term "fascist" as a synonym for "that which I dislike" are abusing the term just like those who do similarly for "socialism".
Those who can provide a sound argument for why they deem someone a fascist or a socialist would be contributing to a discussion. Those who do not know what the fuck they are talking about and are simply using emotive language are usually just trolling.
Did you really need someone to explain that to you?
I was just wondering your feelings on the subject since it seems you have never corrected the dozens of misuses of the term fascist that is here daily.
It is pathetic watching you attempt to divine cheap 'gotchas' in lieu of making a sound argument.
I do not comment on most labels. For example, do you ever see me commenting on the common use of the word "liberal" as a pejorative? Many R partisans tossing that word around as an insult likely do not even comprehend the difference between liberal, progressive, democrat, left, etc. and just lump them into one concept. But that is not a battle that interests me.
The varied misuse of the word 'socialism', however, is so over-the-top stupid that I will indeed comment on it. It takes very little research to understand the general concept of socialism and to distinguish, for example, social programs from anti-capitalism. But those misusing the word clearly have no concept of what they are talking about and no interest in learning.
Signed,
January 6th.
Funny. I was asking about the lefts misuse of the term fascist and I get a rant about what Republicans do. That almost sounds like a diversion worthy of a partisan.
But but but the other guys the best you can do?
Another feeble attempt by you. I offered examples of where I have NOT stepped in to correct Rs.
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Yes but one of my favorite movies is starwars, a new hope. And 6 movies and 20 or so years later they got what they hoped for. I think.
Actually, I believe they know much more. They misuse the word "socialism" intentionally, for several reasons.
This is what they live for. Anyone hoping for a conversation with them is kidding themselves.
Example?
I have often given my definition of "fascist" and also the dictionary definition. I rarely get a thoughtful challenge. I'd be glad to discuss the subject.
Who are you talking to?
What would you folks do if you couldn't copycat our vocabulary? A few days ago, I used "narcissist", and bingo! Yesterday, one of you used the word.
Now "denial"....!
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bullshit
The notion that Donald Trump is draining a swamp is such an Earth 2 concept. It’s as if a tiny alien species has arrived and infected MAGA brains allowing their hosts to believe the most wildly unbelievable and obvious falsehoods. Q is here now.
See Comment 3.1.8, above, for example.
I’m not convinced that is an example of authentic alien takeover. That always appears more like Russian troll farm activity to me.
It does, doesn't it?
He didn't drain the swamp...he increased the size of it
He turned it into the political equivalent of the Everglades.
and added a few more snakes
Over half of Republicans say the indictments of Trump are an attack on people like them. This is MAGA think. Cult think. I dont think there is compromise with this mindset.
The top two categories are SCUM
Amazingly, they sense a feeling of disdain from you.
I am sure many people will take that into consideration when deciding who to vote for.
There is so much garbage on these articles from the right that it is hard to keep up with.
LOCKING THIS ARTICLE LATER TONIGHT.