The Israeli right wants the "Palestinian situation " over and done. 

The Israeli right wants the "Palestinian situation " over and done.

Between Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas, what choices does Israelis have:

1. Leave Israel and go somewhere safe
2. Accept that Israel becomes the 51st majority country and risk continuing terrorism
3. Continue to try to contain terrorists and live surrounded by them

The Palestinians never wanted a two-state solution. It was only one state they wanted. That became very obvious a few days ago.

Now they are beheading babies. I have them a step below the Nazis.

The only way to deal with them is the way Trump dealt with ISIS.

Every Israeli wants the "Palestinian situation " over and done and to be able to live in peace. This is their historic homeland, and they won't be going anywhere. This is not a right-left issue.

As a first step, get rid of every last Hamas Islamic militant. They certainly don't care about their own people. who they always put in harms way by surrounding themselves with civilians. Perhaps saner heads are to be found among the Palestinian people who desire to live in peace with their neighbors. If they continue to attack Israel they will never more than second class citizens.

I didnt ask what should be done with Hamas, I asked what Palestinians should do. 

I am not making up the three choices, they are the position of the Netanyahu government. 

If you mention hamas in your reply I will delete it as non responsive. 

Get serious JR. Your choices are arbitrary, and I offered a fourth. The Palestinians collectively are civilians of Gaza. Hamas are their militant, evil, murderous "leaders".

The are historically intertwined and you can't speak of one with bringing up the other.

The are not arbitrary they are the choices that the Israeli government offers. 

But if you think there is another choice, please tell us. 

And dont say "get along with their Israeli neighbors" without equal rights. That is choice # 2. 

But if you think there is another choice, please tell us. 

There is, theoretically, another choice, but the chance of such a choice being made are probably nearly zero. 

I've been doing a little research and have come to the conclusion that I've largely misunderstood how Palestinians, and Middle East countries in general, think of themselves and see the rest of the world. Once understood, one can see why every time they've been offered a win/win solution, they have turned it down, to our dismay and our bewilderment. 

The crux of the West's problem in dealing with the ME world is threefold.  First, we don't really understand cultures based on the honor/shame system, since we're mostly based on a moral system. In a moral system, although there are rules members of society are expected to follow, those rules are reasoned out and, even then, everyone has the right to question their actual morality. Members do not blindly follow a set code but instead, evaluate the morality of an action given the circumstances. 

In an honor/shame society, it is not careful consideration of what's moral given the circumstances that is in view, but rather, how does one's actions align with an established accepted behavior? The closer one adheres to that standard, regardless whether the standard is actually moral or even makes sense, the more honor that individual receives from the community. Not following acceptable behavior leads to shame. I don't think the importance of honor and the avoidance of shame in such societies can be overstated, especially with ME countries. Being seen as honorable (within their context) is more valuable to the individual and society than wealth or comforts. It is why vengeance killing is so often part of such cultures. To get their honor back, they have to make the other lose. It is a zero-sum philosophy. There is no win/win. For them to win, the other must lose or there is no regaining of honor. 

The second problem is Islam. It is the standard that sets the rules for their honor/shame society and this is a really big deal. In Islam, there are only Muslims and Infidels and they divide the world in just that manner with an intensity other religions do not; especially in the Middle East, where they are relatively isolated from the influence of other cultures. The practice of their religion can't be compared to the practices in Western countries, where a person may go once a week to Church or Synagogue. They go every day. Their lives revolve around Islam and are ruled by it.  

Education is the third. Most of people in the Middle East are poorly educated and what education most get revolves around the Koran, the indoctrination of which provides the lens through which they see the world. They are not taught how to think critically, they are taught to think of how what they do or think conforms to Islam. It is all they know. 

If we put all three of these things together we begin to see the problem with the Palestinians and, by extension, the rest of the ME. In order for the Palestinians to regain their sense of self, their sense of honor and pride (in their minds), Israel has to lose and lose badly. Hamas is not speaking figuratively when they say they want to wipe Israel off the map because, to their mind, it's the only way they can get their honor back. It's why, all along, they've been able to commit atrocities (from the West's viewpoint) of unimaginable scale. To them, they are not acting immorally. They are acting in accordance with the dictates of their honor/shame culture as governed by their understanding of Islam. It is why they say no to every thing that, to Western minds, would benefit them. 

Because as long as Israel sits there, happy, prosperous and non-Muslim, they are evidence that Palestinians are not those things and Islam tells them that they should be. That is, they should be in Israel's place and Israel subject to them and every moment that isn't the case causes more shame to them. That's why, when you see Palestinians carrying a dead body caused (or alleged to be caused) by Israel, you see such oversized outrage. It isn't necessarily what was done to the dead person but, rather, what was done to their sense of honor as a community. 

So, the fourth option. Stop being concerned with what choices Palestinians have because it's a non-issue. They don't currently care about options and presenting it in such terms is a red herring. The only choices that need to be addressed is, what is Israel, and the West, going to do in the face of such unreasoned hatred? How does Israel remain who they are and not just bulldozing the Palestinians into the sea? 

It seems to me that what we are looking at is the clarification of Western moral cultural thinking based on a history of Judeo/Christian thought and Middle Eastern honor/shame culture based on a history of Islamic thought. It isn't just Israel and Palestinian. 

“It isn't just Israel and Palestinian.”

Well written. Thank you. 

Do you understand that the three choices  are the three choices put forth by the Israeli government? 

Lets call them for shorthand , stay , go, or die. 

These three choices do encompass all there is. 

Once Israel has declared its intention to never let that land go, and created realities on the ground that make its withdrawal unimaginable,   the Palestinians will reconcile themselves to the new reality —  accept a second-class form of citizenship,  leave voluntarily,  or attempt violent resistance and be crushed. Smotrich has used his time in Netanyahu’s cabinet to try to   implement this plan   — working both to de facto annex the West Bank and to rapidly expand Jewish settlement. 

People on this seed keep misunderstanding this. Netanyahu and his government confines these three choices as the only ones that are acceptable. Lets say the Palestinians do reject honor killing , or whatever you want them to do. Will they then be given equal status within Israel ? No they will not. Netanyahu would cut his own throat before he would allow that.  

Do you understand that the three choices  are the three choices put forth by the Israeli government?

Do you understand that it is irrelevant? It doesn't matter what Netanyahu comes up with to the Palestinians because there are no "choices". There is only "intent" which is nothing less than wiping Israel off the face of the earth. 

Put another way, you are thinking of this in Western terms. What's fair according to Western values. The Palestinians do not, nor does the rest of the ME, for the reasons I listed in the previous post as well as reasons I did not list but should be naturally deduced from the post. For instance, other ME countries hate Israel precisely because they are a bastion of Western values that are anathema to the cultures the ME countries are based on. The powers in the ME get their authority from the teachings of Islam. Right in the middle of those countries is one that is not based on an honor/shame culture controlled by Islamic thought but, rather, one that resulted largely from Judeo/Christian thought, as well as other secular influences, all of which is a threat to their control. 

In the end, it doesn't matter what Netanyahu comes up with concerning choices. He could make every Palestinian a full citizen today and it would  not change a thing concerning the goals of the Palestinians, except to bring about the destruction of Israel as a country and, likely, in it's place create a horror beyond imagining as the Palestinians carried out every revenge fantasy they ever had. This is because they don't want Israel to exist in the first place, let alone be citizens of it. 

As it stands now, there are no choices to be had for Israel except how far will they go to eliminate Hamas. 

I didnt ask what should be done with Hamas, I asked what Palestinians should do. 

I am not making up the three choices, they are the position of the Netanyahu government. 

That may be what he wants.  But here's the reality: Israel currently is about 20% Arab. And these Arabs are Israeli citizens! In fact, they have more rights than they would have in most Arab countries. (For example, they have the right to vote-- they have elected representatives in the Knesset (the Parliament). 

Some identify their background as "Palestinian" but they are also Israeli citizens. Some merely identify sd "Israeli Arabs">

There are also other groups of other religions who have Israeli citizenship-- for example, Israeli Christians who are indigenous to the area (there were indigenous Christians in Israel long before the first Muslim appeared.

I am not making up the three choices, they are the position of the Netanyahu government. 

That may be what he wants.  But here's the reality: I think he will be on the way out.

For now he temporarily has fairly widespread support-- as with most countries various factions unite to support a leader during wartime. And the war against Hamas could be long and difficult.

But I"m beginning to see information that he may be responsible, in part, for the success of the recent surprise attack.by Hamas. (Its complicated and requires a lot of knowledge of the region to understand way so I won't even begin to try to explain it here).

I could be wrong, but i believe as soon as the threat from Hamas is handled, he will be on the way out.

(Personally I don't like him or his policies-- although I do remember him years ago that while he was a  Conservative he more sensible (more moderate).

Personally I don't like him or his policies-- although I do remember him years ago that while he was a  Conservative he more sensible (more moderate).

Israel men as well as women are drafted into the military. If they are Jews. Other minorities are exempt, but can volunteer. Lots of Druze volunteered-- their percentage in the military was higher than the Jews! A fair number of indigenous Christian Israeli citizens volunteered. And in the past there were always some Muslims who volunteered! Why? To serve the country that many of them loved (yes-- in many cases they had more freedom in Israel than thery would have had in Arab countries) 

Be cause of Netanyahu, the number of non-Jewish volunteers dropped...

It seems to me that what we are looking at is the clarification of Western moral cultural thinking based on a history of Judeo/Christian thought and Middle Eastern honor/shame culture based on a history of Islamic thought. It isn't just Israel and Palestinian. 

Good article. And it definitely explains the behaviour of most Muslims. But there are many who have overcome that. For example, I've known a few in the U.S. who have overcome most of the rigidity. 

Another example that comes to mind: many Kurds. Often there is Kurdish-Arab conflict in the Middle east so many people assume that Kurds are not Muslims. Well some have converted to Judaism or Christianity-- but most are Muslim!

But there's a saying in the Middle East: "The Kurds take their religion lightly" (or words to that effect.).

Apparently no one wants to answer the question. 

Campaigning on using armed resistance to end the Israeli occupation, it won the 2006 Palestinian legislative election, gained a majority in the Palestinian parliament, and became the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip after 2007.

It looks like they had a choice and they voted for exactly what is happening to them. 

Please continue with the moral gymnastics, I can't wait to see you land from the parallel bars.

I'm a really good person.....they had to behead a few babies to make their point known.....cough cough apartheid, resistance cough cough.....

Another one who doesnt answer the question. 

There is no answer to your questions because your motive is to justify abhorrent violence and the community on this website is refusing to stroke your desire to do so.

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whoever you are.

We cannot really know one another but often our questions asked of others alludes to who we really are.

Have a nice day, may peace find you.

I would have to agree with that.  Now what? 

Talking about Hamas does not relate to the three choices, even if you might think it does. 

Talking about Hamas does not relate to the three choices, even if you might think it does. 

Ridiculous.    Of course it does.    Hamas is permanently intertwined with all Palestinian choices.    No matter how hard one tries to gaslight otherwise.

I will be kind and say you dont get it. 

Lol …..

This seed is not about Hamas.

I do not understand how it cannot be about Hamas...?  Hamas is an Iranian back terror group that is the governing body of the Palestinian people, and their soul purpose is to eliminate Israel .. full stop, it has been their goal since forming in the late 1980s.

The Palestinian people will never have a good choice as long as an anti-Israel terrorist group governs the Gaza strip  ... sad but true.

I will say again, the three choices that I listed are the three choices the hard line Israeli government will give the Palestinians. If you dont believe me go ask Benjamin Netanyahu. 

If you think that there is a choice that does not fall into one of these three categories, please tell us. 

John, the choice is quite simple, yet quite difficult.  The only choice the Palestinian people have is to remove Hamas from power.  If that was to ever happen the people of Palestine would have a far brighter future.

the three choices that I listed are the three choices the hard line Israeli government will give the Palestinians.

John-- "the hard line Israeli government will give". That was Netanyahus position in the past. Currently the Israeli government (and most of the country) has more on their mind than setting up rules-- new rules-- for members of their population.

And in case you didn't realize it-- in the event the government started to implement these rules "on the Palestinians'-- it would not apply to Gaza (as Israel does not now-- nor will ir probably in the future-- rule Gaza.

And right now the government is focused on the conflct with Hamas-- in Gaza!

The possibility of Israeli forces entering Gaza-- and Hamas who reside there is the priority. Not rules for segments of Israeli population. Hamas. They really aren't interested in changing (and attempting to enforce0 new rules outside of Gaza). Now that they found that Hamas (in Gaza) is beheading babies-- That's not a priority!

And if-- and when-- they handle the situation with Hamas-- well by that time I have a hunch Netanyahu will no longer be in power.

So your question is based on trying to predict the future-- which is especially difficult re: areas such as the Middle East. (Heck I can't even say for sure if in the future Netanyahu (the creator of those rules) will be inpower after Hamas is destroyed. 

P.S: That's my answer-- you have every right to like it or not or disagree.

Amen to that!

Yes.   Assuming the void is filled by something better.

Israel cannot give Palestinians equal rights, because by law Israel is a Jewish state, and the Palestinians are not Jewish. This is a reality Americans dont even understand, let alone think about. 

Israel cannot give Palestinians equal rights, because by law Israel is a Jewish state, and the Palestinians are not Jewish.

I do not believe that is true .. and I do not think Palestinians desire to become citizens of Israel, do they?  I do not know if a 2-state solution is ever possible, but I think if Gaza and Israel were to actually acknowledge and except each other's right to exist, then there could possibly be a solution .. it is above my pay grade; I can only speculate.

I do not believe that Palestinians in Gaza want to become Jewish citizens but you are incorrect in one point.

• Arabs comprise just over 20 percent of Israel’s population. The vast majority are citizens, while those in Jerusalem, which Israel claims as its capital, are considered “permanent residents.”
• Arab citizens have the same legal rights as Jewish Israelis, but they tend to live in poorer cities, have less formal education, and face other challenges that some experts attribute to structural discrimination.
• Arab political parties have long struggled to gain representation in Israel’s government, and many Arabs have expressed alarm at the leadership of right-wing Jewish politicians, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

What to Know About the Arab Citizens of Israel | Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)

Non-Jewish citizens do have the same legal rights as Jewish citizens, the biggest difference is a non-jew does not fall under or qualify under the Law of Return as Israel is a homeland for Jews.  They do lack the same representation in government but they have the same legal rights as any other citizen of Israel.

This is a reality Americans dont even understand, let alone think about. 

Well, first of all-- very few people on God's Green Earth as nowhere near as intelligent as you-- so most of us aren't even capable of understanding that.

And second of all-- most of us are terribgle at setting realistic priorities-- in fact some of us (unlike you) are so totally scattered that we are thinking about those wonderful "Palestinians" (and specifically Hamas) and how they behead babies (with the mother watching-- because that are the way the Hamas cohort of the "Palestinians" are.

Of course stuff like that is not nearly as important as answering your brilliant questions about how some leader (who may not even be in power after Hamas is dealt with). how he changes policies re: "Palesinians"that don't even live in Gaza.

The Palestinians could have worked within the diplomatic framework of two state coexistence.  Palestinians have created a situation where only one state can exist.  The one state solution that Palestinians demand means only Israel can exist; there cannot be a Palestinian state.

Palestinians have limited their own choices.  They can choose to live in Israel.  They can choose to leave Israel.  They can die.  The Palestinians have made the choice of a Palestinian state impossible; that's no longer an option.

When a people has only the three choices I listed, and those are their only three choices, violent conflict is inevitable. When are people going to understand that?  They dont even understand it in Israel. 

When a people has only the three choices I listed, and those are their only three choices, violent conflict is inevitable. When are people going to understand that?  They dont even understand it in Israel. 

Palestinians, themselves, refused the choice of coexistence.  So, Palestinians are suffering the consequences of their own choice.

The Palestinians have made the choice of a Palestinian state impossible; that's no longer an option.

I disagree. I really don't think all the "Palestinians" are as fuckin stupid as you make them out to be.

I disagree. I really don't think all the "Palestinians" are as fuckin stupid as you make them out to be.

Difficult to support that claim when Palestinians in NYC celebrated the attacks on Israel.  No one is going to believe Palestinians in the United States are living under any kind of Israeli apartheid.   Even Palestinians living in the United States have rejected a two state coexistence with Israel.

Trump's three state proposal may prove to be the most practical, effective, and enforceable.  Trump proposed that the West Bank revert to Jordan and that Gaza revert to Egypt.  The West Bank and Gaza would be under Arab government and not under Israeli government.  But there wouldn't be a Palestinian state.  And there certainly would be no Palestinian right of return.    

Choosing not to emulate Nazis would be a start. 

The choices going forward are the three I listed. I can post supporting context for this assertion I just havent done it yet. 

Not one person on this seed has responded to the question. 

Because you are creating false choices.  

But  pretty much any option that doesn't involve raping girls at a concert, decapitating babies and burning helpless civilians alive is a better  choice.

The amount of energy the left is  expending to justify literal Nazism is breathtaking. It's not that hard to say efforts to exterminate another race aren't acceptable. 

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In 2017, Israeli far-right parliamentarian Bezalel Smotrich proposed what he termed a “ decisive plan ” to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Smotrich, who is now serving as finance minister in Netanyahu’s cabinet, argued (correctly) that the root of the conflict was competing claims to the same land from two distinct national groups. But, unlike his centrist peers, Smotrich claimed that these ambitions were incommensurable: that no territorial compromise could ever be reached between Israelis and Palestinians. In such a zero-sum conflict, one side has to win and the other has to lose.

The key to Israel winning such a total victory, he wrote, is simple: Break the Palestinians’ spirit.

“Terrorism derives from hope — a hope to weaken us,” Smotrich argued. “The statement that the Arab yearning for national expression in the Land of Israel cannot be ‘repressed’ is incorrect.”

Doing this, he continued, begins by annexing the West Bank and rapidly expanding Jewish settlements there. Once Israel has declared its intention to never let that land go, and created realities on the ground that make its withdrawal unimaginable, the Palestinians will reconcile themselves to the new reality — accept a second-class form of citizenship, leave voluntarily, or attempt violent resistance and be crushed.

Smotrich has used his time in Netanyahu’s cabinet to try to  implement this plan  — working both to de facto annex the West Bank and to rapidly expand Jewish settlement. The result has been  the exact opposite  of what Smotrich thought would happen:  Atrocities by emboldened settler extremists  ignited Palestinian anger.  Atrocities committed by Palestinians  led to settler retaliation, creating an unstable situation requiring a significant redeployment of Israel Defense Forces resources to the West Bank — whose  raids themselves became a source of Palestinian grievance .

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That’s because the Palestinians and Israeli security vis-à-vis the terrorists are inextricably linked.

Not one person on this seed has responded to the question.

I did.

But I'm wondering-- are you so wrapped up in repeating thos questions that you missed replies? (Or perhaps you didn't understand the answers)

OMG-- HOW I ABSOLUTELY THE INTERNET!

Sometimes it really just is ONE BIG GIGGLE!

What should Israel's final solution to their "Palestinian Problem" be?

What should Israel's final solution to their "Palestinian Problem" be?

"Problem-- like beauty-- is in the eye of the beholder.

Beheading babies in front of their mothers-- No Problema!

What choice do they have?

Choice #1: Don't elect a terrorist organization to run your country. Result: Peaceful co-existence.

Choice #2 (the one they made): Do elect a terrorist organization to run your country. Result: Get treated like the criminals that you are.

There are three choices in the article at the top of this seed. These are choices endorsed by the Netanyahu government. Please confine your replies to those three choices or provide a fourth one that does not exist within the other three. 

I suggest the Palestinians flee as fast as humanly possible.

Great idea, where to? Thru Israel to the West Bank; into the Sanai Desert ... maybe into the Mediterranean on the handful of fishing boats available? With nary an airport Gaza is harder to get in and out of than N.K.

Neither seem to have a problem of moving rocket parts across the border.

Maybe Egypt will open a humanitarian corridor. 

Details , details. Tsk tsk

I gave my opinion on the topic, which is “what choice do the Palestinians have?”. If you don’t like my opinion, that’s just too bad.

or provide a fourth one that does not exist within the other three

I did that. You have no cause to complain at me.

There is a reason why I listed three choices. They are taken directly from the Netanyahu cabinet. 

But I hear Iran is lovely and has plenty of room!

... and maybe Israel has developed transporters to go along with their Space Lasers. 

You might notice I’m not giving you a hard time for having an opinion different from mine. You’d think you could reciprocate on that simple point.

Not gonna happen …. which is telling ….

Once Israel has declared its intention to never let that land go, and created realities on the ground that make its withdrawal unimaginable, the Palestinians will reconcile themselves to the new reality — accept a second-class form of citizenship, leave voluntarily, or attempt violent resistance and be crushed.

Every day they support Hamas - a genocidal terrorist organization - as their government, they make the choice.

The choices are , stay , go, or die. They have nowhere to go, and if they stay they will continue to be second class citizens. No one is addressing this problem, not even in Israel. 

Don't elect a terrorist organization to run your country.

BTW, many people assume thsat Hamas illegally seized power in a coup. By military coup/

Fact: They came to power in an election.

Fact: Since elections in Arab countries are almost always unfair, this one had unbiased international observors. And they watched carefully and found it to be fair! (I know-- a fair election in an Arab country is an oxymoron-- or at least the people who believe it to be fair are. But this one was-- Hamas was the actual peoples' choice).

Nothing is permanent.  Choice number 2 is incorrect.  Second class citizenship can be changed but not as long as you are led by people that think lobbing bombs will somehow work.  

The right wing government of Israel will never change the second class citizenship of Palestinians. Never. 

I suppose in some murky future a liberal government might control Israel policy and enact some change, but it is highly unlikely. The majority of Israelis are perfectly fine with Palestinians being second class citizens. 

The majority of Israelis are perfectly fine with Palestinians being second class citizens.

There are many "Palestinians" (read "Arabs", Muslim and Christian) who are Israeli citizens, and the majority of Israelis want them to be treated like everyone else.

Israel is a Jewish state. It will never give Palestinians (Arabs) equal rights. It would be considered national suicide. 

Israeli Palestinians are entitled by law to enjoy the same rights as every other citizen of Israel.  There are discriminatory practices that need to be reformed, but that is not so different from here in the U.S.

The right wing government of Israel will never change the second class citizenship of Palestinians. Never. 

I am sure some people said the same thing about slavery or women getting the right to vote just like a first class citizen.

It will never give Palestinians (Arabs) equal rights.

As I understand it, they can apply to be Israeli citizens. Even in America, non-citizens don’t necessarily have the same rights and privileges as citizens.

"The majority of Israelis are perfectly fine with Palestinians being second class citizens." 

Because they are second class citizens, by their own poor choices of leadership.

You're blaming this on Israel, but it's not the problem

Because they are second class citizens, by their own poor choices of leadership.

Hamas makes Yasser Arafat and the PLO look like timid peacemakers.

The right wing government of Israel will never change the second class citizenship of Palestinians. Never. 

And of course somewhat as smart of you is well aware that Israel has never had a leftist government-- and never will!

And of course somewhat as smart of you is well aware that Israel has never had a leftist government-- and never will!

I have to remember to keep repeating to myself: "My true life purpose is to use more sarcasm-- daily." More sarcasm please! 

There can never be enough sarcasm.

Israel is a Jewish state. It will never give Palestinians (Arabs) equal rights. It would be considered national suicide.

Isn't that what they said about freeing the slaves after the Civil War?

(America is a Caucasian country. It will never give the Negroes equal rights. It would be considered national suicide/

That so-called second class citizenship has the same legal rights as any Jewish citizen.

That so-called second class citizenship has the same legal rights as any Jewish citizen.

In some ways Israel's Arab citizens have more rights than they would in most Arab countries!

Formexample, they have the vote-- and vote for representatives in the Paeliament. And they are free to criticize the government-- sometimes quite strongly> So has does that justify behesading babies (In front of their mothers?)

The Arab Spring blew cold across the region.

So has does that justify behesading babies (In front of their mothers?)

How in the fuck can you confuse what I posted with any fucking support for the terrorists from Hammas?  

I believe that the majority of the people living in Gaza would be very happy to have Hamas out of their lives.  However, getting that necessary mission accomplished is going to be extremely painful.  There is no good scenario.

I believe that the majority of the people living in Gaza would be very happy to have Hamas out of their lives.  However, getting that necessary mission accomplished is going to be extremely painful. 

Agree, but unfortunately freedom is rarely free.

unfortunately freedom is rarely free.

Yes, its not like government cheese.

freedom is rarely free

But it's worth fighting for.  

What's coming in Gaza is going to be extremely painful for both sides.  I hate to see it, but the Israelis have no choice except to end Hamas.  Many people in Gaza might actually see the Israelis as liberators, although they won't be able to express it.

There is a problem with ending Hamas. They will be replaced by a new organization, because the issue is the same. Two strong-willed people fighting over land. Or, religious ideology. Remember their is a prophecy involved over this land which states a 'final' solution is a war of Armageddon.

Now to JR's question. The Palestinians will choose to DIE.

I have Palestinian friends and every time their is a 'nervous breakdown' between these two peoples, what I hear in discussion is everything would be fine if the Jewish nation would move closer and away to America - as in settle in Alaska. Funny, but these people are serious.

everything would be fine if the Jew nation would move closer and away to America - as in settle in Alaska. Funny, but these people are serious.

Thanks for interjecting some much needed humor.

Drinker, thank you for helping me see an inaccuracy in my comment above in a timely manner. I have fixed it.

Happy to help.

Two strong-willed people fighting over land.

Good point. Let's face it-- da Joos have two much land:

ISRAEL HAS TOO MUCH LAND!

Israel  (shown in red) and the Muslim Countries (green)

Click here -->: i.imgur

Exactly, one Jewish majority country, of 7.1 M Jews, in a country about the size of Vermont. Around it, over 50 majority Muslim countries with around 2 B Muslims. This one little Jewish country is one too many.

Hello Michael C. One thing and I think it is important., do not make fun of the Jews' identity. Thanks.

There is no good scenario

True. 

Perhaps we should ask John a few questions-- its not fair that we have to do all the thinking to answer his convoluted questions. Why don't we ask him three questions! (And then try our best to harass him if he doesn't answer> Or better yet-- start to annoy him is his answer aren't up to our high standards!

I've got the first one! Question #1: Since there's is no good scenarion-- what scenario would you recommend?

A dandy question. OK-- now y'all get a chance, Who is bold enough to create Question #2? C'mon don't be shy (Anyone can play!!!)

.THIS IS SO MUCH FUN!

Is someone here paying you to be a clown?  

The three choices dont come from me,( I am not an expert on this issue), they come from a member of the Israeli government. I have posted the exact words of this government official, the same person who is, today, calling for the total and final destruction of Gaza. There is no doubt whatsoever that Netanyahu approves of the three choices  "plan". They want to put an end to the Palestinian problem once and for all. 

Bezalel Smotrich

Wikipedia?

That could have and most likely was written by another leftist Palestinian sympathizer.  The Palestinians ARE NOT victims.  Israel IS NOT an oppressor.

Bazinga.   Sounds like  someone has been hanging around radical academia a little too much.

Stay away from Wikipedia.


The Co-founder of Wikipedia, Larry Sanger, has said that the site has been taken over by left-wing 'volunteers' who write off sources that don't fit their agenda. He added that the left-leaning volunteers cut out any edits meant to provide balance. "You can trust it to give a reliably establishment point of view on pretty much everything," Sanger said.

Left Wing Has Taken Over Wikipedia, Says Co-Founder Larry Sanger; Cites Biden Entry as Example (ibtimes.sg)

They are why we can’t have anything nice.    Left wing loons.

The clowning of Newstalkers continues. 

www.timesofisrael.com   /smotrich-says-human-rights-organizations-are-existential-threat-to-israel/

Smotrich says human rights organizations are ‘existential threat’ to Israel

By Tobias Siegal and Carrie Keller-Lynn 21 November 2022, 4:31 pm 28 Edit 6-7 minutes

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Religious Zionism leader Bezalel Smotrich said Monday that the new government would need to “take action” against certain human rights organizations when it enters office, calling the groups an “existential threat to the state of Israel.”

His remarks sparked an outcry from Labor Party leader Merav Michaeli, who responded by saying that it was the incoming government led by presumptive prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu that was actually a threat to Israel’s democracy.

Speaking at a conference titled “‘Human Rights’ organizations Operated by Hamas,” which was organized by the Ad Kan right-wing activist group, Smotrich said that human rights organizations that actively work against the State of Israel are an existential threat to the state.

He said the incoming government will need to target such organizations’ finances and act against them via “legal and security means.”

“Faced with de-legitimization, incitement to terrorism and slander, it’s time to start responding. That’s our challenge. I have no doubt that the next few days will see the establishment of a good government,” the far-right lawmaker said.

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Speaking later at an “emergency conference to save democracy” held at the Knesset, Michaeli said, “It was once a given that the State of Israel is Jewish and democratic. Today, the democratic part cannot be taken for granted and the attacks on it are genuinely an existential fight.”

She slammed Smotrich — who has repeatedly demanded the defense portfolio during coalition talks — for what she called an “unbelievable statement” that threatens Israeli democracy.

Then you should stop clowning around.

The New York Times covered up the Holocaust in the 40's.

With no electricity, food, water, or shelter the dilemma will resolve itself in the most inhumane way possible, with the slow extermination of inhabitants of Gaza.  Don’t ever lose sight of the fact that the root of the conflict lies in religious differences.  Both sides think there is a god that is supporting their behavior.  It’s insanity.

The UN has already reminded. . . all parties. . . in and around this war to remember their duties and responsibilities to human rights. I saw it on television this Wednesday AM! That is at the risk of a war crimes charge/s where civilians are concerned.

Neither side cares much about what the UN thinks. 

The U.S. does care what the UN thinks, nevertheless! In my opinion. Albeit, this is Israel a truly close ally.