I didnt care too much for the joking , but that is what John Oliver does.
The serious parts of this program are worth sitting through the joking.
I know that hope is scarce right now but I did see something this week which gave me a seed of hope. It involved this Israeli man Ramy Elhanan who lost his 14-year-old daughter to Hamas suicide bombing 26 years ago. He actually co-directs a group called the parent circle with that Palestinian man that I showed you earlier where parents who’ve lost children to this conflict get together to work toward peace.
Elhanan was asked if recent events had changed his worldview at all and his response is worth listening to - "you know we are in a circle of blood for for the last 75 years and this is just another round. Nobody expected the viciousness and the cruelty of this round but it was expected, you cannot put two million people in a box close the cover and uh expect nothing will happen. It will not stop unless we talk you cannot annihilate Hamas, you cannot ignore six million people Palestinians living here in the Holyland and you cannot expect them to go away. They will not go away, we will not go away, we are doomed to live here together and we have to choose whether to share this land or to share the graveyard under it."
Exactly and it is inspiring that despite what that man went through he’s still committed to achieving peace through talking and it shows that any conversation around this has to begin with empathy or we’re just ,and obviously we don’t know how all this ends ,but there are a few things that we do know we know that dehumanizing people leads to violence. We know that violence leads to even more brutality and destruction and we know that crucially breaking that cycle is unfortunately going to require leadership significantly different than the ones currently in place.
...but there are a few things that we do know we know that dehumanizing people leads to violence. We know that violence leads to even more brutality and destruction and we know that crucially breaking that cycle is unfortunately going to require leadership significantly different than the ones currently in place.
It's been no secret for a long time that the UN is anti-Israel. When I first toured the building in Manhattan, and watched the iconic Krishna Menon speak, in 1953, the creator of the State of Israel, I was so impressed and hoped it was going to be the creator and maintainer of world peace. Now, as far as I'm concerned, I would like to see it bulldozed into the river beside it.
I'm curious Buzz, what do you see for the future of the Palestinians and the Israelis, both laying claim to land in the region. Do you want a two state solution or do you agree with the so called "decisive" solution proposed by the far right Smotrich - the Palestinians either leave, accept second class citizenship, or be destroyed. ?
I would like a peace deal forced by their brethren in the surrounding nations upon the Palestinians who have refused whenever they were offered as much as 95% or 97% of what they demanded, and walked away from, in which the borders that are the basis of negotiations are NOT the 1967 borders that the Palestinian supporters want, but the borders that were in place after the peace deal with Egypt. Historically lands conquered in a defensive war by a defending nation always were legally thereafter the lands of the defending nation, unless the defending nation is Israel. Keeping in mind that it is so much easier to remain refugees forever spoonfed by the UNRWA special department for them exclusively, so you tell me what YOUR prescience tells us.
However, I know I will not live long enough to see it happen.
Although I don't like what John Oliver does with important issues, I think he made a lot of good points in the vid, especially concerning Netanyahu. One point I disagree with concerns the level of culpability of the Gazan Palestinians vs Hamas. Hamas is made up of Palestinians, for instance. And, as Greg pointed out above, their education system is simply brainwashing. If most Palestinians in Gaza disagree with Hamas, at some point they have to fight back or suffer the consequences of their inaction.
No one is innocent in this scenario, but Hamas is responsible for what is happening now. John is right that both sides have a lot of work to do, but none of that can be accomplished with a ceasefire w/ Hamas.
I would say that one of John Oliver's points is that the future matters more than who is responsible now. Of course Hamas is responsible , but merely punishing and destroying Hamas will not be a lasting step toward peace. The Israelis and the Palestinians have to live together.
but merely punishing and destroying Hamas will not be a lasting step toward peace.
Of course it will. If Hamas lacks millitary hardware, tunnells and its leadership is dead, it makes it much harder to wage war
There will be be peace when Palestinians want it,not before. It's such an ass backwards belief that Isreal can create peac just by periodically indulging Palestinian blood lust.
If Israel declares a cease fire, Hamas will violate it. Just like EVERY OTHER TIME BEFORE. It's the John Olivers of the world who create the cycle of never ending violence by pushing for peace before surrender.
but merely punishing and destroying Hamas will not be a lasting step toward peace. The Israelis and the Palestinians have to live together.
True, but I believe it is the first step. More must be done once Hamas is eliminated (God willing). What I would like to see, assuming the rest of the world cares about getting the Palestinians back on their feet once the war is over, is all the funding, every penny, goes to Israel for the purpose of them managing the recovery. The UN should not be involved other than handing money over. A clear plan of how the money can be used is established in an ironclad agreement and the implementation of it overseen by neutral third parties, like Norway or something. Absolutely none of it can be given to any Palestinian organization or leadership until the Palestinians come up with an acceptable form of democratic government and even then, still subject to third party oversight for some set amount of time.
The funds would be used for rebuilding, hospitals, schools, small business loans and the like. All work and commensurate pay is done by the Palestinians unless none are qualified for a particular position and even then, efforts to qualify Palestinians to eventually fill the job. Israel remains in control of security until some future date when the world can be reasonably assured that Palestinians are changing course as far as wanting to eliminate Israel. I think everyone can understand where I'm trying to go with this.
If the Palestinians just keep on trying to kill Israelis, if they don't collectively try to keep in check or eliminate their own who just want to keep on fighting, then, as far as I'm concerned, just turn the whole place into a prison for real, since it would seem what they prefer.
Taking into consideration what Greg Jones reported about what the UN is teaching the Palestinian and Gazan children, it will be a multi-generational wait before they are ready to be civilized.
BREAKING NEWS: I just watched the news a few hours ago on TV to see that America has stabbed Israel in the back by abstaining from a UN Security Council resolution that passed demanding extended pauses. A victory for Hamas.
enjoy the next 75 years of bloodletting in Israel.
The idea that peace will come through subjugation of the 6 or 7 million Palestinians in Israel is a fantasy.
you cannot ignore six million people Palestinians living here in the Holyland and you cannot expect them to go away. They will not go away, we will not go away, we are doomed to live here together and we have to choose whether to share this land or to share the graveyard under it."
Do you think Israel will ever give full citizenship to people whose numbers (as voters) would likely end Israel as a Jewish state? I don't.
Since the Palestinians cannot partake of a one state solution there will have to be a two state solution. This is necessary after Hamas goes to the hell they deserve. Staying on the path it all is on now only guarantees more terrorism.
Do you think Israel will ever give full citizenship to people whose numbers (as voters) would likely end Israel as a Jewish state? I don't.
If you are referring to the people populating the West Bank and Gaza, no, nor should they.
Since the Palestinians cannot partake of a one state solution there will have to be a two state solution. This is necessary after Hamas goes to the hell they deserve. Staying on the path it all is on now only guarantees more terrorism.
Probably true, but there is nothing Israel can do about that. Palestinians have had several opportunities for a two state solution and rejected it every time. Terrorism has been the path Palestinians have chosen and it will continue until either they choose a different path or they manage to destroy Israel.
Question is, is a two state solution even possible now? Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Iran and practically every Arab state throughout Israel's history has been trying to kill the Jews. Has Hamas pushed too many Jews further to the right? Netanyahu, in my opinion, is hoping that Israelis are getting tired of trying to give peace that never materializes a chance any longer. More, does anyone think that even if, after the destruction of Hamas, Israel pulled out of what was intended to be the Palestinian state the next day and no longer exerted any control at all, peace would ensue? Would it be more likely at this point that they would use their newfound freedom to arm themselves to the teeth, courtesy of Iran, and try to take revenge, since that life is all they know.
And that doesn't even address the rest of the world. For whatever reason, the UN hates Israel. The Middle East consists of about 800,000 square miles. Israel accounts for 0.0104% of that. In spite of that and in spite of the fact that Israel settled for a fraction of what the mandate was supposed to give them, the UN won't be satisfied until Israel no longer exists. Why, I can't say with certainty other than just plain antisemitism. The world has poured more than 40 billion dollars into the Palestinians since 1994 and all it has ever done is fund more terrorism and corruption. The UN not only sides with those who actively pursue terrorism but supports every repressive society in the region in working against Israel, all for "humanitarianism" if you can believe it. Muslim countries are some of the most repressive countries in the world and definitely not democracies, whereas Israel is. Yet the UN works against them.
So, really, I don't see a lot of hope for the future of the region unless Palestinians themselves change course. My hope is that they finally get tired of decades of death, of giving their children up to a future of death and hatred and try something different. Unless that happens, I don't see much changing.
Wow. Five stars for John Oliver tackling an 'impossible' subject. And to think that I almost bypassed it after seeing the 31 minutes display! It was worth every second of it. The kids,. . . nearly broke my heart. . . kids can say the most honest things.
Here is a solution of some sort. Pass a law that begins a process of Palestinian and Jewish kids being schooled together. Let the future generations learn from each other what is the beauty of "EACH" as cousins. And children of Abraham.
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Outstanding analysis of the Israel-Hamas war.
I didnt care too much for the joking , but that is what John Oliver does.
The serious parts of this program are worth sitting through the joking.
This is the state of education in Gaza and probably other Islam countries.
Dr. Eli David on X: "Palestinian children talk about the education they get in @UNRWA 🇺🇳 schools. It's all about killing the Jews. “I want to stab them again and again”, “I want to become a suicide bomber”, etc. Thanks @UN 🇺🇳 for raising the next generation of terrorists. https://t.co/4XMbMGHgF9" / X (twitter.com)
Here’s a kindergarten graduation in Gaza. Hamas starts them young. (rumble.com)
It's been no secret for a long time that the UN is anti-Israel. When I first toured the building in Manhattan, and watched the iconic Krishna Menon speak, in 1953, the creator of the State of Israel, I was so impressed and hoped it was going to be the creator and maintainer of world peace. Now, as far as I'm concerned, I would like to see it bulldozed into the river beside it.
I'm curious Buzz, what do you see for the future of the Palestinians and the Israelis, both laying claim to land in the region. Do you want a two state solution or do you agree with the so called "decisive" solution proposed by the far right Smotrich - the Palestinians either leave, accept second class citizenship, or be destroyed. ?
I would like a peace deal forced by their brethren in the surrounding nations upon the Palestinians who have refused whenever they were offered as much as 95% or 97% of what they demanded, and walked away from, in which the borders that are the basis of negotiations are NOT the 1967 borders that the Palestinian supporters want, but the borders that were in place after the peace deal with Egypt. Historically lands conquered in a defensive war by a defending nation always were legally thereafter the lands of the defending nation, unless the defending nation is Israel. Keeping in mind that it is so much easier to remain refugees forever spoonfed by the UNRWA special department for them exclusively, so you tell me what YOUR prescience tells us.
However, I know I will not live long enough to see it happen.
I was hoping this would get more comments but I cant say I am surprised.
Although I don't like what John Oliver does with important issues, I think he made a lot of good points in the vid, especially concerning Netanyahu. One point I disagree with concerns the level of culpability of the Gazan Palestinians vs Hamas. Hamas is made up of Palestinians, for instance. And, as Greg pointed out above, their education system is simply brainwashing. If most Palestinians in Gaza disagree with Hamas, at some point they have to fight back or suffer the consequences of their inaction.
No one is innocent in this scenario, but Hamas is responsible for what is happening now. John is right that both sides have a lot of work to do, but none of that can be accomplished with a ceasefire w/ Hamas.
I would say that one of John Oliver's points is that the future matters more than who is responsible now. Of course Hamas is responsible , but merely punishing and destroying Hamas will not be a lasting step toward peace. The Israelis and the Palestinians have to live together.
Of course it will. If Hamas lacks millitary hardware, tunnells and its leadership is dead, it makes it much harder to wage war
There will be be peace when Palestinians want it,not before. It's such an ass backwards belief that Isreal can create peac just by periodically indulging Palestinian blood lust.
If Israel declares a cease fire, Hamas will violate it. Just like EVERY OTHER TIME BEFORE. It's the John Olivers of the world who create the cycle of never ending violence by pushing for peace before surrender.
True, but I believe it is the first step. More must be done once Hamas is eliminated (God willing). What I would like to see, assuming the rest of the world cares about getting the Palestinians back on their feet once the war is over, is all the funding, every penny, goes to Israel for the purpose of them managing the recovery. The UN should not be involved other than handing money over. A clear plan of how the money can be used is established in an ironclad agreement and the implementation of it overseen by neutral third parties, like Norway or something. Absolutely none of it can be given to any Palestinian organization or leadership until the Palestinians come up with an acceptable form of democratic government and even then, still subject to third party oversight for some set amount of time.
The funds would be used for rebuilding, hospitals, schools, small business loans and the like. All work and commensurate pay is done by the Palestinians unless none are qualified for a particular position and even then, efforts to qualify Palestinians to eventually fill the job. Israel remains in control of security until some future date when the world can be reasonably assured that Palestinians are changing course as far as wanting to eliminate Israel. I think everyone can understand where I'm trying to go with this.
If the Palestinians just keep on trying to kill Israelis, if they don't collectively try to keep in check or eliminate their own who just want to keep on fighting, then, as far as I'm concerned, just turn the whole place into a prison for real, since it would seem what they prefer.
Taking into consideration what Greg Jones reported about what the UN is teaching the Palestinian and Gazan children, it will be a multi-generational wait before they are ready to be civilized.
BREAKING NEWS: I just watched the news a few hours ago on TV to see that America has stabbed Israel in the back by abstaining from a UN Security Council resolution that passed demanding extended pauses. A victory for Hamas.
enjoy the next 75 years of bloodletting in Israel.
The idea that peace will come through subjugation of the 6 or 7 million Palestinians in Israel is a fantasy.
Do you think Israel will ever give full citizenship to people whose numbers (as voters) would likely end Israel as a Jewish state? I don't.
Since the Palestinians cannot partake of a one state solution there will have to be a two state solution. This is necessary after Hamas goes to the hell they deserve. Staying on the path it all is on now only guarantees more terrorism.
If you are referring to the people populating the West Bank and Gaza, no, nor should they.
Probably true, but there is nothing Israel can do about that. Palestinians have had several opportunities for a two state solution and rejected it every time. Terrorism has been the path Palestinians have chosen and it will continue until either they choose a different path or they manage to destroy Israel.
Question is, is a two state solution even possible now? Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Iran and practically every Arab state throughout Israel's history has been trying to kill the Jews. Has Hamas pushed too many Jews further to the right? Netanyahu, in my opinion, is hoping that Israelis are getting tired of trying to give peace that never materializes a chance any longer. More, does anyone think that even if, after the destruction of Hamas, Israel pulled out of what was intended to be the Palestinian state the next day and no longer exerted any control at all, peace would ensue? Would it be more likely at this point that they would use their newfound freedom to arm themselves to the teeth, courtesy of Iran, and try to take revenge, since that life is all they know.
And that doesn't even address the rest of the world. For whatever reason, the UN hates Israel. The Middle East consists of about 800,000 square miles. Israel accounts for 0.0104% of that. In spite of that and in spite of the fact that Israel settled for a fraction of what the mandate was supposed to give them, the UN won't be satisfied until Israel no longer exists. Why, I can't say with certainty other than just plain antisemitism. The world has poured more than 40 billion dollars into the Palestinians since 1994 and all it has ever done is fund more terrorism and corruption. The UN not only sides with those who actively pursue terrorism but supports every repressive society in the region in working against Israel, all for "humanitarianism" if you can believe it. Muslim countries are some of the most repressive countries in the world and definitely not democracies, whereas Israel is. Yet the UN works against them.
So, really, I don't see a lot of hope for the future of the region unless Palestinians themselves change course. My hope is that they finally get tired of decades of death, of giving their children up to a future of death and hatred and try something different. Unless that happens, I don't see much changing.
Wow. Five stars for John Oliver tackling an 'impossible' subject. And to think that I almost bypassed it after seeing the 31 minutes display! It was worth every second of it. The kids,. . . nearly broke my heart. . . kids can say the most honest things.
Here is a solution of some sort. Pass a law that begins a process of Palestinian and Jewish kids being schooled together. Let the future generations learn from each other what is the beauty of "EACH" as cousins. And children of Abraham.