U. S. formulating plan for post-war, post-Netanyahu for Gaza, NBC report claims
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U. S. formulating plan for post-war, post-Netanyahu for Gaza, NBC report claims
The United States is promoting a plan for the rehabilitation of the Gaza Strip, to be spearheaded by Saudi Arabia, once Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is no longer in power, according to American television network NBC.
According to the report, which is based on comments from multiple but unnamed senior officials from the Biden administration, Saudi Arabia and four additional Arab countries have agreed to be part of rebuilding postbellum Gaza, along with a "revitalized Palestinian Authority. " The Saudis have even agreed to normalize relations with Israel if the latter agrees to the eventual establishment of a Palestinian state.
The officials also told NBC that "Netanyahu rejected the offer … telling Blinken that he's not prepared to make a deal that allows for a Palestinian state. "
The officials added that the Biden administration "is trying to lay the groundwork with other Israeli and civil society leaders in anticipation of an eventual post-Netanyahu government. "
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Netanyahu will throw up every obstacle he can to this plan.
As long as he is in power it won't happen.
However I believe the majority of Israelis want him out of office. People generally don't like to change leaders in the middle of a war, but eventually Netanyahu will be out of power.
Then it could happen.
Why do people assume that Bibi's replacement won't be far worse?
There are members of Bibi's coalition government that think he is too tame with the Palestinians.
Its not just him that the people are tired of-- its him and his allies. They know if he was out and the rest of his government stayed in power nothing would change.
Without a doubt he will. In addition Qatar, Jordon, UAE and Egypt have agreed to this plan.
Invoking a phrase that has recently touched off moral panics whenever it’s been uttered by a college sophomore, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday promised verbatim that Israel will take over the entire region it currently occupies, “from the river to the sea.”
The prime minister vowed to oppose the creation of any Palestinian state, as Israel continues its horrific military bombardment of Gaza. Israel has killed at least 24,000 Palestinians in Gaza in the last three months, under Netanyahu’s leadership—and the prime minister made it clear that Israel won’t be stopping its war anytime soon.
“For 30 years, I am very consistent and I am saying something very simple: this conflict is not on the lack of a state of Palestinians, but the existence of a state, the Jewish state,” Netanyahu said, according to a translation on i24NEWS.
“And therefore I clarify that in any other arrangement, in the future, Israel has to control the entire area from the river to the sea.”
The use of the phrase “from the river to the sea” has come under particular scrutiny in the last three months. When Palestinians, or anyone on the left, has used the phrase to demand a free Palestine—as in the popular chant, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”—those on the right have disingenuously argued that it is calling for the death of all Jewish people in Israel.
Representative Rashida Tlaib, the only Palestinian American member of Congress, was censured by Congress last year for her use of the phrase. Many Democrats joined Republicans in condemning her, minutes after she used a floor speech to condemn both rising Islamophobia and antisemitism in the wake of Israel’s deadly assault on Gaza.
“From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate,” Tlaib wrote in an effort to clarify her language against the bad-faith critics amassed against her. “My work and advocacy is always centered in justice and dignity for all people no matter faith or ethnicity.”
The use of the phrase “from the river to the sea” also became the center of a monthslong news cycle focused on what college kids are saying in campus protests. Fomented by so called “anti-woke” activists and Republicans in Congress, it ultimately ended with the resignations of several university presidents.
Netanyahu, for his part, clearly stated on Thursday that he is not using the phrase “from the river to the sea” in a peaceful manner.
After claiming Israel would take over the entire area from the river to the sea—which would presumably include the West Bank and Gaza, areas recognized as Palestinian territory under international law—Netanyahu went on to directly challenge the Biden administration and its support for the two-state solution.
“This truth I say to our American friends,” Netanyahu said Thursday. “And I also stopped the attempt to impose on us a reality that will jeopardize us. A prime minister in Israel has to be able to say no, even to the best of friends. To say no when you need to and to say yes when you can.”
When people tell you who they are, believe them.
Rewarding terrorism!
Rape women, behead babies and get given your own state. I guess building tunnels costing billions to shelter Hamas wasn't enough to help the terrorist cause. Great lessons to teach
Hamas knows that human capital is cheap, especially woman and children. Why should a terrorist have to wait to become a martyr to get his virgins, if there are Jewess’ available.
It's really not fair to them.
"Fair"? What's fair got to do with it?
Remember, this is the Arab world.
Your alternative is eternal war. Maybe you should move over there and take your place on the front lines.
That requires extensive team training prior. It’s almost like you’ve never served.
People want other people to engage in war should at least be willing to take up the fight.
If you want to make it into a contest of caricatures, fine: Your plan is to reward and protect Hamas until it succeeds in exterminating all the Jews in the region.
So when are you going to join the Navy? Or will you be protesting Biden on behalf of the Houthis?
Failing that, I assume you will be joining the Ukrainian Army
You can't just push someone onto the front line. There is extensive team training required. It's almost like you never served.
I dont think any army or navy wants a 74 year old guy with serious heart issues.
Unless, of course, you're Vladimir Putin.
Well, he could try to join the Costa Rican army.
(An impossible feat-- but why let actual facts get in the way...???)
Gaza should be turned into a great beach front property with a wide boulevard, board walk, resorts, etc. I’m sure Hamas would favor that with the resulting jobs and tax revenues,
With what it probably cost to build all those tunnels Hamas could have turned Gaza into another Mediterranean Riviera, but that wouldn't have helped them in their dedication to kill the Jews.
You think Israel would ever allow that?
Israel doesn't want the Palestinians prosperous- then there might be even more of them!
Nope.
If they were prosperous, they wouldn't want to risdk losing what they had by war.
The way to keep them violent is by keeping them poor (which is what their wealthy leaders are doing).
Keeping them poor so the bleeding hearts of the world will keep sending them aid so that the leaders can keep stealing the money. It's all so damned obvious - why are people so stupidly continuing to fill a few pockets and leaving UNRWA to suck up the world's simpleminded people's money to support the 4 generations of refugees.
Show me one post where I support Palestinian leadership? I don't even support the corrupt, inept, PA- which has the backing of Israel and the US.
Israel is directly playing a hand in keeping the Palestinians from being prosperous. They have no use for the Palestinians being rich and independent. Israel supplies energy and water to Gaza- and they charge the Palestinians top dollar for both. They control everything that comes into and goes out of the West Bank and Gaza- they charge the Palestinians for that "service" as well.
Pretending Israel isn't directly responsible for at least 50% of the Palestinian problem isn't being truthful.
The US needs to get over the image of Israel being some poor little country that is continuously picked on by the Palestinians and shunned by their neighbors. Thanks to the US they are the biggest bully on the block. They have never hesitated when it comes to throwing their military might around.
Well if that be the case-- why do you think the Egyptians don't compete by supplying those things at a lower cost?
(After all, Gaza borders two countries-- but I'm sure you already knew that
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That was before the current fighting that began in early October:
Classic cars back on the road - in Gaza City
Neighborhood Bully
by Bob Dylan
Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man
His enemies say he's on their land
They got him outnumbered about a million to one
He got no place to escape to, no place to run
He's the neighborhood bully
Neighborhood bully, he just lives to survive
He's criticized and condemned for being alive
Not supposed to fight back, and have thick skin
He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
He's the neighborhood bully
Neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
He's wandered the earth an exiled man
Seen his family scattered, people hounded and torn
He's always on trial for just being born
He's the neighborhood bully
Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad
The bombs were meant for him, he was supposed to feel bad
He's the neighborhood bully
Well, the chances are against it, and the odds are slim
That he'll live by the rules that the world makes for him
'There's a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him given out to every maniac
He's the neighborhood bully
Well, he got no allies to really speak of
What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love
He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side
He's the neighborhood bully
Well, he's surrounded by pacifists who all want peace
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease
Now, they wouldn't hurt a fly. To hurt one they would weep
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep
He's the neighborhood bully
Every empire that's enslaved him is gone
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon
He's made a garden of paradise in the desert sand
In bed with nobody, under no one's command
He's the neighborhood bully
Now his holiest books have been trampled upon
No contract that he signed was worth that what it was written on
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health
He's the neighborhood bully
What's anybody indebted to him for?
"Nothing", they say, "he just likes to cause war"
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed
They wait for this bully like a dog waits for feed
Neighborhood bully
What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers? Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill
Running out the clock, time standing still
Neighborhood bully
As previously mentioned--- things were different before Hamas brok a long-standing cease fire and brutally attacked Israel on October 7th:
And all the Muslim/Arab nations far and wide have their arms wide open and want Palestinians/Gazans to migrate to their nations because they are such a joy to have around, and so productive and such a benefit.
You mean-- like it used to be?
What was life like in Gaza before the Israeli Occupation Ended?
It's not like Hamas is shy about what its goals are:
Khalad Mashal
The Israeli people will never support this nonsensical notion of a "two-state solution," no matter who is in charge. Getting rid Netanyahu won't make a bit of difference. The Palestinians have repeatedly rejected that option. Why would this time be any different?
Some won't.
But others will-- given the choice between perpetual war (and growing Israeli casualties) or peace (even if it means giving up part of The West Bank) I think the majority of Israelis will opt for peace.
Dreamers. Do you also think they believe the Muslims will redact the direction in their Koran to kill the Jews, or to negate their belief that "The Day of Judgment" will not come until they fight the Jews?
From the river to the sea
part of Israel it will be
Those who support Palestinas don't have to put up with them.