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Vice President JD Vance was greeted by pro-Ukraine protesters during a Saturday ski vacation in Vermont with his wife and children.

  
Via:  John Russell  •  2 days ago  •  84 comments

By:   Phillip Nieto (Mediaite)

Vice President JD Vance was greeted by pro-Ukraine protesters during a Saturday ski vacation in Vermont with his wife and children.
"Go ski in Russia"

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Phillip NietoMar 1st, 2025, 2:59 pm Twitter share button

Vice President JD Vance was greeted by pro-Ukraine protesters during a Saturday ski vacation in Vermont with his wife and children.

Protesters against Vance could be seen lining up the Route 100 in Waitsfield while the Vice President was in the Green Mountain State with his family this weekend. Earlier this week, Vance's visit to Sugarbush Resort was announced prompting protesters to organize opposition over the administration's policies.


BREAKING: After torpedoing yesterday's meeting with Zelensky, JD Vance fled to Vermont for vacation—only to be met by hundreds of furious protesters.

Couldn't have happened to a better guy! pic.twitter.com/dv5mVIFeSl

— Chris D. Jackson (@ChrisDJackson) March 1, 2025


Around 500~ Vermonters came out to Waitsfield Vermont this morning to protest VP Vance who is spending the weekend at Sugarbush Ski Resort.

Smaller protests at the resort and shops telling the Vice President he is not welcome.

30 minute Video of the Protest… pic.twitter.com/otHlNmqt4l

— Intelschizo (@Schizointel) March 1, 2025


Wow: JD Vance is apparently skiing in Vermont this weekend and the locals aren't having it. Thousands have lined the streets in protest. pic.twitter.com/ngbRc0zPoG
— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) March 1, 2025

On Friday, Vance and President Donald Trump attacked Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyby accusing him of not being thankful for U.S. aid to his country amid the Russia invasion. Moreover, Trump claimed that Zelensky was "gambling with World War III."

Shortly after the fight, Zelensky was asked to leave the White House without signing the rare Earth minerals deal, which was the whole purpose of his visit to Oval Office.

Vance faced criticism for his role during the argument because the tense exchange in the Oval Office started with the vice president attacking Zelensky.

Watch the clip above via Fox News.

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 days ago

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bugsy
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1.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 days ago

Why are these people not packing their bags and purchasing tickets to Ukraine to help with the fight....?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @1.1    2 days ago

Why are you not on the US/Mexico border chasing down illegal immigrants?

Or is it only possible for you to support a thing without taking part directly?

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.1    2 days ago
Why are you not on the US/Mexico border chasing down illegal immigrants?

Perhaps we should take up a collection (or do a "Go Fund Me") so that Bugsy can go to the border and keep Mexicans out! 

(At the very least that should totally solve our Fentanyl problem!

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.1.2    2 days ago
Perhaps we should take up a collection (or do a "Go Fund Me") so that Bugsy can go to the border and keep Mexicans out!  (At the very least that should totally solve our Fentanyl problem!

You can help stop the Fentanyl problem Bugsy. Go to the border Bugsy. Go directly to the border. 

Do no pass GO. Do not collect two hundred dollars!

But you Bugsy, by going to the border...you can change the world!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.1    yesterday

C'mon down - we got plenty of room for those who disagree with us to get on the front lines and "help" those of us who are already on the US/Mexico border.

 
 
 
charger 383
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1.1.5  charger 383  replied to  bugsy @1.1    yesterday

They went out and held a sign with their opinion on an issue which took more effort than us typing about it 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.6  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.1    yesterday
Why are these people not packing their bags and purchasing tickets to Ukraine to help with the fight....?

why waste the money when in a few short weeks the US will be crawling with russian collaborators ...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @1.1    4 hours ago

Why are these people not packing their bags and purchasing tickets to Ukraine to help with the fight....?

Why aren't you packing your bags and purchasing tickets to Ukraine to help with Russia's fight....?

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.8  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.7    4 hours ago
Why aren't you packing your bags and purchasing tickets to Ukraine to help with Russia's fight...

Because I, unlike democrats, did not go behind the president's back and try to negotiate a deal and give illegal advice on how to act when Zelensky went to the White House, making Putin happy that the deal that he was there for in the first place, fell apart. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  devangelical @1.1.6    4 hours ago

why waste the money when in a few short weeks the US will be crawling with russian collaborators ...

Russian collaborators like these?  They're already here.

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1stwarrior
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1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1    yesterday

Are you proud to see this kind of ludicrous crap John?

The split in our country over a foreign country is starting to run amuck - that's embarrassing.

If these folks wanna help Ukraine, why aren't we seeing them going to Ukraine to help?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2    yesterday

What's wrong of being proud of people exercising their Constitutional rights?

We made a promise to defend Ukraine's borders in exchange for them giving up the Soviet nuclear weapons they possessed.  Under Trump's guidance, we are breaking an agreement we had with them.  Is that something to be proud of?

 
 
 
charger 383
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1.2.2  charger 383  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.2.1    yesterday

People forget Ukraine gave gave up it's nukes. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.3  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.2.1    yesterday

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1stwarrior
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1.2.4  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.2.1    yesterday

NATO made that promise - Biden/Hunter made that promise - not the CURRENT administration.  NATO is not living up to their charter and it is not the "duty" of the U.S. to fight everyone else's wars.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.2.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.4    yesterday

No.  Hunter does not speak for the US, and you know that.

This was in 1994.

A nation's promises outlive administrations.  If not, how could we trust any treaty once the leader who signed said treaty died or left office?  Would you like for the US to treat agreements granting Native Americans reservations with sovereignty the same way?  Once that Congressional session is over, or once the POTUS who signed that executive action is gone, your land is up for grabs?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.2.6  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.2.5    yesterday

Sandy, the implication is/was that the Ukraine would be supported in the event that "nuclear weapons" were ever brought to use against them.

Interview highlights

On whether Ukraine foresaw the impact of denuclearizing

So the implication was Ukraine would not be left to stand alone and face a threat should it come under one. - same link as yours, highlighting of "implication" mine.

That's all the document supports/supported.

Budapest Memorandum

According to the three memoranda,  Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the  Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons  and effectively removing all Soviet nuclear weapons from their soil, and that they agreed to the following:

  1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the  CSCE Final Act ).
  2. Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons (nuclear) will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
  3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
  4. Seek immediate  Security Council  action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
  5. Not to use nuclear weapons against any non–nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.
 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.2.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.6    yesterday

This is part of the document, 1st.

Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum,

That is the use of force, period.  Not just nuclear force.  There is no such implication as you state.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.2.8  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.2.7    yesterday

Try reading #'s 2 and 5 - a little more thoroughly.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.2.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.8    yesterday

Their existence does not negate the existence and meaning of #2's opening phrase, 1st.

All signatories are to refrain from using force, threat of force, and nuclear force.  That's ALL force, to include economic coercion.  Nothing here limits actionable threats to nuclear force only.  You're inventing words that aren't there. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.10  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.2.9    yesterday

it's hilariously entertaining to watch those hoodwinked by trump continue to make fools of themselves ...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.2.11  sandy-2021492  replied to  charger 383 @1.2.2    yesterday
People forget Ukraine gave gave up it's nukes. 

I'm left to wonder if maybe they shouldn't have.  They now have Russian nukes aimed at them from Belarus.  Pretty much only our nukes are keeping Russia's from being deployed.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.12  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.2.11    yesterday

an intelligent president would lead the negotiation with that bargaining chip. make russia withdraw from and financially restore ukraine or the US will replace those nukes ...

... unfortunately america is stuck with a vindictive fucking moron in the white house for a while.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.2.13  1stwarrior  impassed  sandy-2021492 @1.2.9    19 hours ago
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George
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2  George    2 days ago

These stupid fuckers time would’ve been better spent getting on a plane to go fight for Zelenskyy, have they mortgaged their future to send money to Ukraine or are they just a bunch of hypocrites?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1  Ronin2  replied to  George @2    2 days ago

Hypocrites is the correct answer.

Giving up their income, or going to fight, is too damn hard for them.

If they love Ukraine so much they should renounce their US citizenship and become Ukrainian. I am sure Asov will great them with open arms; they are renowned for their acceptance of people from outside their nationality who can't speak the language. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1    2 days ago
Giving up their income

They pay taxes and want that money spent on a specific thing. So they are giving up income. They may even donate to charities in Ukraine. Many people do.

You only judge them negatively because the Felon in Chief sides with Putin.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1    2 days ago
If they love Ukraine so much they should renounce their US citizenship and become Ukrainian.

Trump and Vance should become Russian. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    2 days ago

Trump and Vance should become Russian. 

They are. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.4  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    2 days ago
Trump and Vance should become Russian. 

They may alreadybe Russians un disguise-- they should return to the Motherland for a fulfilling life. (Just being careful not to go anywhere near windows in high buildings of course!)

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.5  1stwarrior  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.1    yesterday

Excuse me???  Who the frick is the "Felon in Chief"???  Don't think the earned title (by the U.S. electorate) of the President of the U.S. has changed.

You may not like him but he was LEGALLY elected.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.5    yesterday

You may not like Tacos calling him the felon that he is (LEGALLY adjudicated by the courts), but Tacos is free to do so.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.7  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.5    yesterday
You may not like him but he was LEGALLY elected.

... and legally convicted.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.5    19 hours ago

I never said he wasn’t legally elected. Was I typing in French again? I hope not because I don’t speak French, so I can understand why you would misunderstand. Surely, you have better integrity than to deflect with a straw man.

What I did do was call him Felon-in-Chief. It’s a play on the term Commander-in-Chief. You may not be aware of this, but Donald Trump is a convicted felon. Thirty-four felony counts, to be precise.

I could also have called him Cheating Husband-in-Chief or Sexual Abuser-in-Chief or Defamer-in-Chief or Fraud-in-chief. Any and all would also be appropriate. In fact, he has one of the worst records (genuinely legal records) of any world leader before being elected. Many have to turned out to be terrible people after they got elected, but the fact that all of this was established and then he was still voted into office is frankly, astonishing.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.5    18 hours ago
You may not like him but he was LEGALLY elected.

One of the reasons to be dismayed with the electorate.   Given all that is known about this con-man and on top of that convicted of 34 felonies, the electorate gave this scoundrel the power of the USA presidency.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.10  GregTx  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.9    18 hours ago
dismayed ?...

In 2016 the Democrats offered up an untrustworthy candidate, in 2024 they offered up an incompetent candidate while in-between they gave us an addled old fool. The electorate voted accordingly....

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.11  TᵢG  replied to  GregTx @2.1.10    17 hours ago

A litmus test for blind Trump support is defending Trump even after his unpresidential, disgusting performance in the Oval office with Zelensky where he yet again sides with Putin over Ukraine and our European allies.

Trump is an embarrassment who continues to damage our nation.   It is sick to see any continued support of this asshole.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.11    16 hours ago

Oval office with Zelensky where he yet again sides with Putin over Ukraine and our European allies

A perfect example of the ability so prevalent on the left to stick to a talking point that bears no relation to the real world. Completely anti reality, 

Here we have the accusation that trump sided with “ Putin” by reaching an agreement with Ukraine., that Zelensky backed out of on the advice of democrats, that Putin is desperately trying to ensure doesn’t move forward. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.13  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.12    16 hours ago

Denying what took place in the Oval office is a perfect litmus test for identifying those who will defend Trump no matter what.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.14  JBB  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.13    16 hours ago

You are fishing in the right pond to hook a whooper then...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.13    16 hours ago

Putin and the democrats got their way, Zelensky didn’t sign the deal Moscow was trying to stop.   Putin thanks you!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.15    15 hours ago

Pathetic.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.17  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.12    14 hours ago

No what we have is our president who when asked if he is having phone conservations with the Russia president off the record. . .our president replies to Bob Woodward (in 2024):

Trump won't say if he's spoken to Putin, but "if I did, it's a smart thing"

By  Jacob Rosen

October 15, 2024 / 10:44 PM EDT / CBS News

Former President Donald Trump says he's not commenting on the question of whether he's spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin since he left office, after journalist Bob Woodward reported in his new book  that the former president has had as many as seven conversations with the Russian leader.

Trump talking to Putin to end Ukraine war: ‘I’d better not say’ how much

by  Ian Swanson  - 02/09/25 7:38 AM ET
President Trump says he has had talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin about ending the war in Ukraine, telling the New York Post that the two leaders have spoken and he’d “better not say” how many times.

Well that conditional, "if, is 'pregnant'—bigly. And that was before taking office. Since then, our president states "better not say" - another instance of a conditional that is 'pregnant'—bigly. 

Because its clear Putin the autocratic leader and not Zelensky a free and clear leader of a democratic country , under Russian assault daily- has been given 'carte blanche' access to the leader of the free world by Trump—himself.

That's 'siding' by any other name. Remember: First impressions count. Moreover, watch what 'they' do (A.K.A. Trust and Verify.)

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.18  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.15    6 hours ago

The leftists will never admit, or see, that they are always on the wrong side of every 80/20 issue facing this country. They believe they are the virtuous ones and never saw themselves out of power. 

They are getting a rude awakening on what true negotiations look like, and their first instinct is to attack Trump

Pathetic.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  GregTx @2.1.10    5 hours ago

why don't you address TiG's point instead of deflecting with a whataboutism?

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2  Kavika   replied to  George @2    2 days ago

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.3  Tacos!  replied to  George @2    2 days ago
have they mortgaged their future to send money to Ukraine or are they just a bunch of hypocrites?

If that’s your standard then you need to go mortgage your future before you go expressing support for anything here. If not, then you’re the hypocrite.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.4  Kavika   replied to  George @2    2 days ago

Since your so concerned about our future you should be aware that the US has “mortgaged”our future many times in the past and currently with other than Ukraine and certainly for reasons not as important in the world and to the US as Ukraine. 
as for getting on a plane to fight for Ukraine the history of the US is one of doing just that. “The Greatest  Generation” is a perfect example. There are US Military cemeteries around the world that are testament to our commitment to freedom. Young men and women who gave all for others and to afford you the opportunity to disagree lay in these cemeteries bear witness to it.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.4.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @2.4    yesterday

I like to watch those youtube videos of ukranian drones slamming into russian tanks and vehicles. I can't hardly wait for diehard maga disciples here in the US to start spray painting white Z's on their vehicles ...

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.5  Krishna  replied to  George @2    2 days ago
These stupid fuckers time would’ve been better spent getting on a plane to go fight for Zelenskyy, have they mortgaged their future to send money to Ukraine or are they just a bunch of hypocrites?

Or they could go to the Congo to solve the problem of widespread hunger and violence!

Or go to stateslike texas where people refuse vaccination and are getting diseases like measles. 

The are hypocrites-- they should all go...at once!

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.6  charger 383  replied to  George @2    yesterday

what if people have strong opinions about more than one issue?   

 
 
 
Dig
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2.7  Dig  replied to  George @2    yesterday
mortgaged their future to send money to Ukraine

Right.

In 5 bills over three years' time, Congress allocated a total of 175 billion for Ukraine. Of that, an estimated 120 billion has actually made it there.

So, 120 billion =

  • About 1.8% of 2024's federal budget, or 0.6% per year over the three years of war.
  • About 0.4% of 2024's GDP, or 0.13% per year over the three years of war.

It's barely made a dent.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.7.1  devangelical  replied to  Dig @2.7    yesterday
an estimated 120 billion has actually made it there.

gee, let's compare that to the amount of money that has been gifted to elon in the form of subsidies and tax breaks ...

not to mention the fact maga russian collaborators in the house held up part of that money for months until last summer.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.7.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dig @2.7    4 hours ago
It's barely made a dent.

Yeah, but the morons supporting the convicted felon are being told that money is why they don't have enough left for a second case of Pabst and because they're fucking uneducated white trash they believed it.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    2 days ago

After the way that sycophantic bully embarrassed this country, he deserves demonstrations like this everywhere he goes.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Tacos! @4    yesterday

Who embarrassed who - a stand-up comedian from a Euro country against a stand-up comedian from the U.S.???

 
 
 
George
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5  George    2 days ago

Zero chance these pathetic losers would be willing to fight for anything but the last pork chop.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1  MrFrost  replied to  George @5    2 days ago

Zero chance these pathetic losers would be willing to fight for anything but the last pork chop.

Those, "Pathetic Losers" are supporting an ally of the USA. You are supporting one of our enemies. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.1.1  1stwarrior  replied to  MrFrost @5.1    yesterday

Nope - just because they are in Euro doesn't make them our "ally" - unless you count the bribes they paid the U.S through the crimes of the Biden family.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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5.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.1    yesterday

Evidence of crimes by anybody other than Hunter, 1st?

Every time Republicans in Congress produced another witness for the "prosecution", they ate crow, because the testimony never contained the "evidence" they were sure it would.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.1.3  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.2    yesterday

Oh yeah - don't forget Biden telling the Ukraine that if they DIDN'T prosecute the "offending" members, he will withhold $1B in aid - which the Ukraine followed up with so the Biden Crime Family won that "showdown" - by using U.S. funds as a bribe.

 
 
 
Dig
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5.1.4  Dig  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.1    yesterday
Nope - just because they are in Euro doesn't make them our "ally"

Hate to break it to you, but in this conflict Ukraine is our ally, and Russia is the enemy.

That's about as obvious as anything can possibly be.

Although, with the aid and comfort he's been giving to the enemy since taking office, it looks like the traitorous tyrant in the White House wants to switch sides. Because, you know, birds of a feather...

 
 
 
Dig
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5.1.5  Dig  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.3    yesterday
don't forget Biden telling the Ukraine that if they DIDN'T prosecute the "offending" members, he will withhold $1B in aid

Nothing to do with Hunter. That was about dealing with corruption, so we could be more assured that the aid would go where it was supposed to go, and not into officials' pockets.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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5.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.3    yesterday

So, you support corrupt prosecutors?  Because that was the stipulation.  In order to receive US aid, they had to remove Shokin as prosecutor.  This was not Joe Biden's policy.  It was State Department policy, and was in accordance with the intentions of the European Union in general.

The one who used US funds as a bribe was Trump, attempting to extort Zelensky to dig up dirt on the Bidens for his own political campaign.  This little temper tantrum on the part of Trump and Vance is a continuation of Trump's petulance over Zelensky not lying for him.

Republicans kept trying to bring down Biden for crimes similar to the one for which Trump was impeached, but could never find any evidence he had committed any such, over multiple investigations.  Biden was carrying out US policy.  Trump was trying to save his own skin.  The two are not the same.

But congratulations on eating up that Russian propaganda.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dig @5.1.5    yesterday

The big problem is that too many conservatives believe long debunked conspiracy theories.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.1.8  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.6    yesterday

Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts

Nope - Joe Biden -

It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. -

Nope - Joe Biden

As we have reported  more   than   once  last year, Biden traveled to Kyiv as vice president and  warned  Ukraine’s then-president, Petro Poroshenko, that the U.S. would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees until Ukraine removed its prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, who was widely viewed as corrupt.  -

Nope - Joe Biden

Biden bragged to the Council on Foreign Relations in 2018 that during that December 2015 trip to Kyiv, “I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.   “Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.”  - 

Obama administration signed off on $1B for Ukraine Biden threatened to hold back: report -

Sorry, different links, different stories.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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5.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.8    yesterday
It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. -

Already addressed in my comment @5.1.6  He was carrying out State Department policy, not trying to get "opposition research".

And you're just repeating yourself.  Joe Biden, as a representative of his country, carried out his country's policy of not providing monetary aid to a foreign government with a corruption problem.

Trump attempted to spin this into extortion by Joe Biden personally, but it wasn't.  As is common with Trump, accusations are confessions.  Trump accused Biden of doing what Trump tried to do, unsuccessfully.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.9    23 hours ago

If Trump had managed to remove a corrupt prosecutor somewhere else, MAGA would still be rejoicing.

Not in this case though, because Ukraine was trying to root out all Russian plants and influence, Trump never would have interfered with Putin's sphere of influence.

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As it is, Trump and the GOP are going after Smith, Jones, Willis, all of the military JAG leadership and anyone in the military who followed their orders about DEI  training.

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Zelensky is still discovering traitors and only half hearted leaders in the military who are hedging their bets on Russia, even after holding the Bolsheviks at bay for three years

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
6  sandy-2021492    2 days ago

Couldn't have happened to a better guy.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6    yesterday

I'm thrilled his kids get to see it and I hope it traumatizes them for the rest of their entitled lives ...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
6.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  devangelical @6.1    yesterday

I don't want his children to be traumatized.

I sure would like for him to show the same consideration toward Ukrainian children, though.  And he clearly doesn't.  I'm sure the Ukrainian kids being kidnapped by Russia are traumatized, but Vance doesn't give a damn.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
7  Gsquared    2 days ago

During his Senatorial campaign in 2022, Vance had this to say on Steve Bannon's podcast:

“I gotta be honest with you,” he told the host, a Trump ally. “I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other.”

He proved it yesterday.

JD Vance gets his long-awaited moment to admonish Ukraine’s Zelenskyy

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
7.1  CB  replied to  Gsquared @7    2 days ago

Here's the thing: Did our president humiliate the largest country in Europe? (Yes.) And by extension all of Europe? (?)  And does national pride go before a fall? (Yes.) The U.S. president is playing with international 'fire' when he threatens the 'ties that bind' us to other countries—some of those threads strong as steel and others worn down. 

One last thing, there will be consequences for a member of this familial group of nations, having to chastise one of its own. At last, has the time come that the United States has "gotten too big for its britches"? That is, do we think to 'highly' of ourselves?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
8  Robert in Ohio    yesterday

It seems they are simply exercising their 1st Amendment right to assembly and to disagree with and ask for accountability of their elected leaders.

No harm no foul here

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
8.1  charger 383  replied to  Robert in Ohio @8    yesterday

It looked peaceful.  No reports of things being tore up, set on fire, roads blocked, nobody hurt no arrests. 

Just people expressing their opinion on an issue 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
8.1.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  charger 383 @8.1    yesterday

As is their right and as they should

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Robert in Ohio @8.1.1    19 hours ago

American’s have the right to point out the “village idiot” to watch him slink to another area. Well done Vermont!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
9  Hal A. Lujah    yesterday

Mabelline needs to step up and cancel his sponsorship.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.1  JBB  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @9    yesterday

Do you know what happened to Maybelline?

Max Factor...

original

 
 
 
George
Senior Expert
10  George    16 hours ago

256

I guess we know who was sucking Putin’s dick, but obviously Obama swallowed.

 
 
 
George
Senior Expert
11  George    16 hours ago

256

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
12  Sean Treacy    16 hours ago

You didn't care when Russia took part of Ukraine in 2014. You didn't care about the fighting going on in Eastern Ukraine back then. You didn't care when Obama called the Russia/Ukraine conflict a regional dispute over territory between immediate neighbors that wouldn't matter very much to us.

When MH17 was shot down and 298 innocent people were murdered, it was just something tragic that happened during a conflict on the other side of the world. You didn't accuse Obama of having blood on his hands for not be tougher with Putin.

In 2021, when Biden said it was too expensive to stay in Afghanistan, you agreed. You didn't cry for the millions of Afghan women and girls who would no longer be able to go to school, work, or show their faces in public. You didn't call for America to stand up for freedom and democracy. Biden even left an arsenal of weapons for a group that hates America and oppresses its own people and you were fine with that.

You didn't care when you saw people falling out of planes. When 13 Americans soldiers were blown up, you didn't cry. You didn't think it was even worth posting about.

When Biden refused to say their names and when he checked his watch during the dignified transfer, that was no big deal. It was just a little disrespect.

When the Biden admin droned an innocent family of 10, including an aid worker and 7 children, again, not something worth talking about.

But you are heartbroken right now. Emotionally crushed. Shattered. You are weeping for Zelensky and are devastated over the way he was treated. His feelings may have been hurt and that may have been the darkest moment in American history. Our country may never recover. And the fact that Trump won't promise him a blank check of your tax dollars to prolong a war that cannot be won...it's just the worst thing that's ever happened to you.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
12.1  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    14 hours ago

It's obvious that the writer misses the point of Context. All circumstances are situational, but not all situations are equal and complementary to another. Context matters. 

Next. The narrative the collective "you' is hoping to build has a snuck premise ("'we' didn't care, . . . ") and ("'we' agreed when,. . ." but that is just a narrative and a prose.

"We" are heartbroken - (another snuck premise), because of the threat to Europe and the "free world" should NATO lose its (or is compelled) largest ally: The United States specifically under the selfish, "gold-digging" tendencies of one American president and his clear wish to realign the country with autocratic nations because he sees value in a new order where he directly is #1 without equal.

 
 

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