I had a Great Uncle who never hid the tattoo's the Nazi's put on his left forearm. it is safe to say that he was appalled by the continued conflict around Israel and some of my cousins have served in the IDF and came back to the states, a few joined the Army.
They all agree that Netanyahu, has tainted the reputation of his brother, dear Yanni, as well as the IDF and Mossad and the state of Israel by allowing these inhumane atrocities against an inferior opponent, "just like the Nazis" we were all raised to despise.
My opinion has been, for quite some time, that Israel got their revenge on Hamas within the first few days after Oct 7th and the incursion into Gaza. To have this still be going on a year and a half later is as Patinkin says "unthinkable". There has always been anti-semitism in this world , but as Patinkin also says , Netanyahu has made it worse and is endangering Jews all over the world.
After decades of attacks and revenge attacks maybe Netanyahu learned from ender Wiggins. "Knocking him down was the first fight. I wanted to win all the next ones too, so that he'd leave me alone"."
Literally, they are dead, like the 9 million non Jews and the 27 million Russians, 2 million Japanese and 20 Million Chinese and on and on totaling between 75 and 80 million people.
They are dust. Pretty hard to insult dust. Easy to insult the living only.
If Israel had ended the war two weeks after they went into Gaza they would be no better or worse off regarding Hamas than they are today, and they wouldnt have millions of people around the world wondering what the hell is wrong with them.
There was massive sympathy for Israel on October 8th 2023, and they had a chance to get tens of millions of outsiders on their side. But they went too far.
Lol. Progressives were calling it in a genocide in Gaza before Israel ever retaliated. The pattern is clear. No matter how many terrorist attacks are launched against it, the same people will always blame Israel for getting attacked and responding to being attacked. It doesn't matter what Israel does, or doesn't do, it will always be blamed.
If you can't see that pattern after the last 30 years, well.....
You are the one who cannot see. A lot of people who are not progressives think Israel has gone way too far. Israel has ALWAYS responded to being attacked, its just up til now they didnt go overboard with it. In my opinion there is no doubt that some , maybe a lot, of the current anti-Jewish sentiment around the world is the fault of Israels right wing war mongering government, as Mandy Patinkin passionately says in the video.
Israel has ALWAYS responded to being attacked, its just up til now they didnt go overboard with it.
So there was no anti-Jewish sentiment before they responded to yet another attack? Everybody loved the Jews until mean old Netanyahu decided to attack the terrorists who, yet again, murdered civilians and took (and still have ) hostages?
Israel was justified in retaliating after Oct 7th, they stopped being justified many months ago.
Why do they need a "cease fire" ? Just fucking stop killing women and children and old people. Just stop. After that you can tell Hamas if you dont immediately release the hostages we will start up again.
Hamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel
Ghazi Hamad, of terror group’s politburo, hails assault in which civilians were systematically murdered, saying ‘there will be a second, a third, a fourth’; US official: ‘Chilling’
Senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad speaks in an interview with Lebanese channel LBC on October 24, 2023. (Screenshot: X; used in accordance with Clause 27a of the Copyright Law)
So, JR, in your opinion the occasional Oct 7, and the occasional missile fired into Israel is OKAY, eh? In your opinion it's okay for Hamas to carry on, eh?
Yes it was, and if Israel had taken your advice how many Oct 7s do you think could have happened during those 20 months? How many missiles launched from Gaza? Israel is determined to accomplish 2 things. 1) bring the hostages back home, and 2) make sure Hamas will never again be able to attack Israel.
So you would like to see Israel backoff and let Hamas rearm and restock and recruit more martyrs so they can attack Israel again. That's really dumb and totally antisemitic.
Yes, and as soon as Israel stops before Hamas is destroyed or moves away from their "from the river to the sea" the threat will be back. Many people have learned that lesson from history, why should Israel have to learn it again?
Because of the tactics of Hamas that I have related so many times it should be boring by now, AND because of the need for Israel to rescue the hostages and END the ongoing threat of Hamas, THERE ARE ONLY TWO SIDES TO THIS COFLICT, AND EITHER YOU ARE WITH THE DECLARED TERRORIST HAMAS OR WITH THE FIGHTING FOR ITS CONTINUED EXISTENCE ISRAEL. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.
THERE ARE ONLY TWO SIDES TO THIS COFLICT, AND EITHER YOU ARE WITH THE DECLARED TERRORIST HAMAS OR WITH THE FIGHTING FOR ITS CONTINUED EXISTENCE ISRAEL. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.
Nonsense. The way Israel fights for its existence, which by the way is not in question, matters. Killing tens of thousands of people as revenge for a terrorist attack that affected a couple thousand Israelis is not a proportional response.
Ok Hamas is savages. Everyone agrees with that. But was leveling Gaza the only way to deal with these savages? I dont think anyone honestly believes that.
As far as "existential" goes, the United States of America guarantees Israels existence and always will. But even if that wasnt the case, what is the threat to Israels existence ? Words from Islamic radicals is not an actual threat. As some military tyrant once said about the Pope, "how many divisions does he have"?
They just make up new rules as they go but those rules always, always, cut against Israel. They were calling for a "ceasefire" before Israel even defended itself. They think the terrorist's control the scope of the victim's response. The pattern is clear and motivations aren't really in doubt...
9/11 was a simple terrorist attack that killed a couple of thousand, isn't that what you are inferring with the Hamas attack? 175,000 plus Afghans have died, and unlike HAMAS, they are a zero daily threat.
"Israel could have gone after Hamas without killing tens of thousands of Gazans that are not Hamas."
Since that is your opinion, please explain how that could be done where the militants hide themselves among the civilians, using them as human shields, which is a war crime, as is taking hostages, a couple of factors that the UN and the rest of the world seem to forget while blasting Israel for its attempts to eliminate a DECLARED TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that has been carrying on a never-ending war against Israel. .
As long as Hamas is irrevocably dedicated to the destruction of Israel, which it is, and as long as the Q'oran tells the believers to kill the Jews, which it does, and as long as the Imams tell their flock that 'The Day of Judgment Will Not Come Until the Muslims Fight the Jews and Kill Them', which they do, THERE WILL NEVER BE A MIDDLE GROUND.
Then expect to see Jewish people and Hamas and whomever else there is with "no middle ground" kill each other into perpetuity. As long as all sides say there is none, then the killing will continue, because that is how the leaders wish it to be. As it was and ever shall be....
there is with "no middle ground" kill each other into perpetuity
This war has been going on for millennia.
"You stole our holy land! We're gonna kill you!"
"This land was 'Promised' to us by our God! It's our holy land now, die infidel!"
And nothing's really changed since Joshua led the Israelites out of the wilderness and across the Jordan river some 3400 years ago. Both nations are drenched in each other's blood and both claim a divine right to those lands. I really don't care who gets what land, in some ways I think they should both be kicked out. It sort of reminds me of the problem Solomon faced with the woman who stole another womans baby so Solomon told his soldiers to cut the baby in half and give each mother a half to which the real mother immediately dropped her claim so the baby would not be killed. In this case, neither the Jews nor the Palestinians are willing to compromise, and the babies are being split apart daily. So perhaps neither are really the true parent of their supposed holy land.
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Powerful words.
I had a Great Uncle who never hid the tattoo's the Nazi's put on his left forearm. it is safe to say that he was appalled by the continued conflict around Israel and some of my cousins have served in the IDF and came back to the states, a few joined the Army.
They all agree that Netanyahu, has tainted the reputation of his brother, dear Yanni, as well as the IDF and Mossad and the state of Israel by allowing these inhumane atrocities against an inferior opponent, "just like the Nazis" we were all raised to despise.
My opinion has been, for quite some time, that Israel got their revenge on Hamas within the first few days after Oct 7th and the incursion into Gaza. To have this still be going on a year and a half later is as Patinkin says "unthinkable". There has always been anti-semitism in this world , but as Patinkin also says , Netanyahu has made it worse and is endangering Jews all over the world.
After decades of attacks and revenge attacks maybe Netanyahu learned from ender Wiggins. "Knocking him down was the first fight. I wanted to win all the next ones too, so that he'd leave me alone"."
That is an insult to all who died in the Holocaust.
Hardly. The IDF types are worming on the hook that they were just following orders.
Sounds a lot like Nuremburg all over again. Weak arguments. How much revenge is enough?
Jews are unsettled by Netanyahu's genocidal attacks on women and children of gazza.
THAT fuels antisemitism.
No, literally.
Literally, they are dead, like the 9 million non Jews and the 27 million Russians, 2 million Japanese and 20 Million Chinese and on and on totaling between 75 and 80 million people.
They are dust. Pretty hard to insult dust. Easy to insult the living only.
I see. I guess I had trouble with your original analogy. Thanks for straightening me out.
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If Israel had ended the war two weeks after they went into Gaza they would be no better or worse off regarding Hamas than they are today, and they wouldnt have millions of people around the world wondering what the hell is wrong with them.
There was massive sympathy for Israel on October 8th 2023, and they had a chance to get tens of millions of outsiders on their side. But they went too far.
Lol. Progressives were calling it in a genocide in Gaza before Israel ever retaliated. The pattern is clear. No matter how many terrorist attacks are launched against it, the same people will always blame Israel for getting attacked and responding to being attacked. It doesn't matter what Israel does, or doesn't do, it will always be blamed.
If you can't see that pattern after the last 30 years, well.....
You are the one who cannot see. A lot of people who are not progressives think Israel has gone way too far. Israel has ALWAYS responded to being attacked, its just up til now they didnt go overboard with it. In my opinion there is no doubt that some , maybe a lot, of the current anti-Jewish sentiment around the world is the fault of Israels right wing war mongering government, as Mandy Patinkin passionately says in the video.
So there was no anti-Jewish sentiment before they responded to yet another attack? Everybody loved the Jews until mean old Netanyahu decided to attack the terrorists who, yet again, murdered civilians and took (and still have ) hostages?
Israel was justified in retaliating after Oct 7th, they stopped being justified many months ago.
Why do they need a "cease fire" ? Just fucking stop killing women and children and old people. Just stop. After that you can tell Hamas if you dont immediately release the hostages we will start up again.
That's not happening, you're accepting Hamas propaganda and lies without question
Are you forgetting about the hostages? Your opinion seems to be "Fuck the hostages."
The hostages would have been home long ago if the war didnt drag on for 21 months.
Lol.
So, JR, in your opinion the occasional Oct 7, and the occasional missile fired into Israel is OKAY, eh? In your opinion it's okay for Hamas to carry on, eh?
That threat was 20 months ago.
Yes it was, and if Israel had taken your advice how many Oct 7s do you think could have happened during those 20 months? How many missiles launched from Gaza? Israel is determined to accomplish 2 things. 1) bring the hostages back home, and 2) make sure Hamas will never again be able to attack Israel.
So you would like to see Israel backoff and let Hamas rearm and restock and recruit more martyrs so they can attack Israel again. That's really dumb and totally antisemitic.
Yes, and as soon as Israel stops before Hamas is destroyed or moves away from their "from the river to the sea" the threat will be back. Many people have learned that lesson from history, why should Israel have to learn it again?
The hostages would would have been home 21 months ago if Hamas didn't kidnap them.
Not necessarily antisemitic, but certainly VERY dumb.
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So we should care about what a guy that left a great acting gig after a year because?
Because of the tactics of Hamas that I have related so many times it should be boring by now, AND because of the need for Israel to rescue the hostages and END the ongoing threat of Hamas, THERE ARE ONLY TWO SIDES TO THIS COFLICT, AND EITHER YOU ARE WITH THE DECLARED TERRORIST HAMAS OR WITH THE FIGHTING FOR ITS CONTINUED EXISTENCE ISRAEL. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.
Nonsense. The way Israel fights for its existence, which by the way is not in question, matters. Killing tens of thousands of people as revenge for a terrorist attack that affected a couple thousand Israelis is not a proportional response.
Ok Hamas is savages. Everyone agrees with that. But was leveling Gaza the only way to deal with these savages? I dont think anyone honestly believes that.
As far as "existential" goes, the United States of America guarantees Israels existence and always will. But even if that wasnt the case, what is the threat to Israels existence ? Words from Islamic radicals is not an actual threat. As some military tyrant once said about the Pope, "how many divisions does he have"?
for its existence, which by the way is not in question, matters
wow.
Bet Hamas will think twice before pulling that shit again? Normal nations would. Unfortunately, Israel is not dealing with a normal "nation".
bow
Normal nations would
They just make up new rules as they go but those rules always, always, cut against Israel. They were calling for a "ceasefire" before Israel even defended itself. They think the terrorist's control the scope of the victim's response. The pattern is clear and motivations aren't really in doubt...
What happened? Were thousands of Israelis inconvenienced? did they lose power for a few hours?
bow wow
Do you describe the Holocaust as merely affecting jews as well?
I have no idea what your point is other than you seem to be in favor of killing tens of thousands of people in Gaza.
Did you watch the Mandy Patinkin video?
How about 176,000? that's how many died because of......How did you put it, "a simple terrorist attack that killed a couple thousand."
When you talk about Israeli actions , you accuse them of "killing" tens of thousands.
When you describe Hamas's actions, you say they "affected" Israelis. "affect" being as neutral a verb as exists.
whether your bias is conscious or unconscious, you frame the discussion like a Hamas spokesman.
I should delete this garbage, but I will give you your say.
I thought it was universally known that Hamas massacred hundreds of people including old people, women and children, on Oct 7, 2023.
Israel could have gone after Hamas without killing tens of thousands of Gazans that are not Hamas.
what are you talking about?
I'll bet you didn't feel that way on 9/11/2001.............or perhaps you did.......How Ilhan Omar......
9/11 was a simple terrorist attack that killed a couple of thousand, isn't that what you are inferring with the Hamas attack? 175,000 plus Afghans have died, and unlike HAMAS, they are a zero daily threat.
I still dont know what your point is in the context of this article.
Since that is your opinion, please explain how that could be done where the militants hide themselves among the civilians, using them as human shields, which is a war crime, as is taking hostages, a couple of factors that the UN and the rest of the world seem to forget while blasting Israel for its attempts to eliminate a DECLARED TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that has been carrying on a never-ending war against Israel. .
Buzz, with all due respect:
Is the problem.
As long as Hamas is irrevocably dedicated to the destruction of Israel, which it is, and as long as the Q'oran tells the believers to kill the Jews, which it does, and as long as the Imams tell their flock that 'The Day of Judgment Will Not Come Until the Muslims Fight the Jews and Kill Them', which they do, THERE WILL NEVER BE A MIDDLE GROUND.
Then expect to see Jewish people and Hamas and whomever else there is with "no middle ground" kill each other into perpetuity. As long as all sides say there is none, then the killing will continue, because that is how the leaders wish it to be. As it was and ever shall be....
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This war has been going on for millennia.
"You stole our holy land! We're gonna kill you!"
"This land was 'Promised' to us by our God! It's our holy land now, die infidel!"
And nothing's really changed since Joshua led the Israelites out of the wilderness and across the Jordan river some 3400 years ago. Both nations are drenched in each other's blood and both claim a divine right to those lands. I really don't care who gets what land, in some ways I think they should both be kicked out. It sort of reminds me of the problem Solomon faced with the woman who stole another womans baby so Solomon told his soldiers to cut the baby in half and give each mother a half to which the real mother immediately dropped her claim so the baby would not be killed. In this case, neither the Jews nor the Palestinians are willing to compromise, and the babies are being split apart daily. So perhaps neither are really the true parent of their supposed holy land.
Syria is killing druze Christians. Not a word of complaint from the progressive left. Funny how that works.
now if Israel started killing Druze…
Funny thing is they will now complain about Israel/Netanyahu bombing Syria to protect the Druze.