"if you have nothing good to say about Trump don't say anything, in the name of "national unity.""
The 1980 'Miracle On Ice' US hockey captain Mike Eruzione Was on a conservative TV show this morning ("Batya" on News nation). The topic was US Olympians speaking out on politics. Ezurione's position was that if you don't have something good to say about what's happening in America , don't say anything.
Under present circumstances this is akin to saying if you have nothing good to say about Trump don't say anything, in the name of "national unity."
We hear , every single day, someone say Trump critics have TDS, questioning why people quote Trump or show videos of Trump speaking or of his press "gaggles".
Mike Eruzione does not seem to be a conservative MAGA extremist, he seems to be someone who is at least comfortable with the Trump presidency,
To be comfortable with the Trump presidency you have to be willing to ignore that this is someone who tried to steal the 2020 election , and was criminally indicted for it. He avoided a trial by stalling and stalling the legal process, and benefiting from the judges and Supreme Court justices he appointed with loyalty to him in mind.
You have to be comfortable with his incessant , and often bizarre, lying. George Washington was mythologized as never having lied, but Trump who favorably compares himself to Washington, seems to never tell the truth unless all other avenues are exhausted.
You have to be comfortable with Trumps incredible level of personal corruption. He is accepting billions of dollars for family wealth from various entities wanting government favors and excuses it by saying his sons, not himself, run the businesses.
You have to be comfortable with Trumps utterly vindictive approach to his "enemies", repeatedly forcing his DOJ to indict or investigate people only to see the courts overturn and dismiss the indictments.
You have to be comfortable with his racism. He posted a video of the Obamas as apes. He doesn't get to lie and say he didnt know what was in the video, it went out under his name, and Trump has said that his social media are the official way he communicates with the American people.
So what is up with the Mike Eruziones of the world? (and there are a lot of them).
Hypocrites? or just clueless?
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The majority of Americans will never accept a Trump presidency. What is anyone going to do about that fact?
Come to the realization that he is president even if you don't accept it.
Get a countdown clock that starts at 1070. When it gets to 0 Trump will no longer be your president.
I gave a list of solid factual reasons people should not be comfortable with a Trump presidency and your counter is that he won the election. LOL.
So you feel that the majority of American voters should have different standards than MAGA voters that still claim Trump won it 2020? Double standard much?
With all his medical issues do you truly believe he will live that long?
As a famous Yogi master once said:
Prediction is difficult, especially about the future.
-Yogi Berra
Right, reality does not care if you can accept it or not.
Great googly moogly, what on earth are you talking about? Where did I bring 2020 in?
According to actuality tables he has better than a 70% chance.
With all his health issues? He's either not going to last that long or will require a personal drool wiper by then.
Do you think presidents should be able to profit from the presidency beyond it's basic salary? I mean, it's forbidden in the constitution... So where are ya on this subject?
Biden won in 2020 and yet millions of morons still refuse to accept it including the current oval office occupant. I think that was his point.
Mmmmm...not really
Oh, so it was a deflction that had nothing to do with my post
Amazing how many folks confuse facts with opinions
It was an accurate comparison to show the giant timber in the eye of conservatives whilst you complain about Democrats speck of dust. Democrats all know and accept that Trump is President. I believe John is simply expressing the feeling of many that Trump will never represent true patriotic Americans. He only represents the lowest common denominator; the scum of the earth backwards bigots who ridicule higher education, supported a violent attempted insurrection and then supported the pardoning of the insurrectionists and frankly these folk don't deserve the protections the constitution affords them as their loyalty is clearly to that piece of shit in the oval office instead of to the constitution.
The other point I believe John was making was that Trump would have been removed from office at least half a dozen times or more if it weren't for the partisan Republican Senate cock blocking any actual executive oversight. It's shameful, but that's what Republicans are now, a shameful joke of a party that have abandoned any and all oversight responsibilities and have gotten down on their knees and are groveling before their Mango Mussolini. It's honestly really sad to watch. I can only have pity for those poor fools that have so little self-respect that they abase and embarrass themselves all for such a disgusting convicted felon and bigoted sexual predator.
Wow, John had a lot of points he never said.
Still a deflection
I gave five reasons why people should not be comfortable with a Trump presidency. Which ones would you like to debate?
Clearly you didn't read what he wrote then.
There is a difference between "debating" and demanding someone accept opinions as fact.
Clearly you conflated his post with what you wanted to say.
Which ones of these five items would you like to discuss?
I smell a trolling theme developing on this seed.
Your description lines up closely with what multiple credible reports have documented about Donald Trump’s post‑presidency business activity and the ethical concerns surrounding it. Fresh reporting shows that large sums of money—sometimes measured in the billions—have flowed into Trump‑owned companies from foreign and domestic entities while he is in office , and this has reignited longstanding questions about conflicts of interest.
Here’s what the latest reporting and expert analysis indicate:
What recent investigations show
1. Billions flowing into Trump businesses during his presidency
A PBS NewsHour investigation reported that during a series of diplomatic visits to Middle Eastern nations where the Trump family has deep business ties, “billions of dollars have poured into Trump‑owned companies” , raising concerns about whether these financial windfalls could influence U.S. policy.
2. Foreign deals and new ventures intensifying scrutiny
Additional reporting highlights a $500 million Trump‑linked deal in the UAE and other expanding international ventures, all of which have drawn renewed attention to whether foreign governments or wealthy individuals are attempting to curry favor through business channels.
3. Ethics experts warn of extraordinary conflicts of interest
Analyses from watchdog groups and fact‑checking organizations emphasize that Trump’s business empire—hotels, real estate, golf courses, and now newer ventures like cryptocurrency and media—creates unprecedented opportunities for entities seeking favorable treatment to route money into his family’s wealth.
A detailed fact‑check catalogued numerous instances where Trump properties intersected with government actions or foreign dignitary spending, describing them as “extraordinary conflicts of interest.”
Why the “my sons run the business” defense doesn’t resolve the issue
Ethics scholars consistently point out that delegating management to his sons does not eliminate the conflict , because Trump still owns the businesses and directly benefits from any increase in revenue or valuation. This is why previous presidents used blind trusts—something Trump declined to do.
So your summary captures the core dynamic: Entities seeking influence spend money at Trump‑owned businesses, and Trump deflects conflict‑of‑interest concerns by saying his sons run the operations—even though he still profits.
If you want, I can break down:
Specific examples of deals raising red flags
How ethics rules apply to presidents and their families
How this compares to historical norms
What watchdog groups recommend to prevent this kind of situation
1. He did not try to steal anything. "Go to the Capitol peacefully and patriotically" is stealing only in leftist minds.
2. ALL politicians lie. The vast majority of "lies" that were fact checked during the first admin were by leftists with hurt feelings. Somehow, those same "fact checkers" forgot how to do their jobs under the Biden regime. I wonder why. Do you know why?
3. You have no proof of this. If it were true, leftist politicians and media (kinda the same thing) would be putting stories out left and right about it. Same with if Trump was doing nefarious things with Epstein. Leftist politicians and the Biden admin would have leaked it long before the election. Where, also, is your poutrage about Pelosi insider trading, making her ultra rich while in office. She claims it is her husband's doing. Did you know she outdid the market and grew her portfolio 17,000 percent over her career. Which index did that or better?
4. Apparently you did not pay attention to the Biden regime. Besides Trump, how many associates of Trump were indicted by the Biden regime? Some went to prison for defying a congressional order to appear. Where are your posts demanding the same of leftists also defying Congress?
5. Trump has this and his first admin, one of the most diverse administrations in history. Where was your poutrage with Biden's NUMEROUS STATEMENTS that dripped of racism over the decades? Somehow, I can't find any posts denouncing that. I wonder why? s/
My case is closed. No need to "debate" because there is absolutely no way you would take anything I posted into account. Your past posts show dissent is not allowed
You get an F-
Here’s a clear, factual, well‑sourced breakdown of the major ways Donald Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 election , based strictly on documented investigations, court filings, and reputable reporting. I’ll keep this grounded in what the sources say, not personal opinion.
🧭 Overview
According to multiple investigations and court filings, Trump and his allies pursued several coordinated strategies to try to overturn Joe Biden’s certified victory. These efforts unfolded between November 2020 and January 2021 and continued through later legal battles.
Below is a structured summary of the key actions documented in the sources you triggered.
1. Promoting false claims of widespread voter fraud
Trump repeatedly asserted—without evidence—that the election was stolen.
These claims are described as fabricated in analyses of the attempts to overturn the election.
Many of the fraud allegations (e.g., about mail ballots in swing states) were investigated and debunked by state officials and courts.
2. Pressuring state officials to change results
The most famous example is Georgia:
Trump asked Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find 11,780 votes” —the exact number needed to flip the state.
Georgia prosecutors later charged Trump and allies under the state’s RICO (racketeering) law for efforts to overturn the state’s results.
3. Organizing slates of fake electors
According to federal filings and state investigations, Trump allies coordinated efforts in several states to submit alternate slates of electors claiming Trump had won.
These actions were part of a broader plan to disrupt the Electoral College count.
4. Attempting to use the Department of Justice to legitimize fraud claims
Federal prosecutors have stated that Trump tried to push DOJ officials to declare the election corrupt.
A court filing by Special Counsel Jack Smith argues Trump “resorted to crimes to try to stay in office” and acted as a candidate, not a president, in these efforts.
Internal DOJ testimony has also described pressure from Trump to support false fraud claims.
5. Pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to block certification
Trump and his legal team pushed Pence to reject legitimate electors on January 6, even though the vice president had no constitutional authority to do so.
This was part of the broader effort described in analyses of the overturn attempts.
6. Encouraging supporters to disrupt the certification process
While the sources you triggered don’t detail January 6 directly, federal filings note that Trump’s actions after the Capitol attack were part of the overall scheme to overturn the election.
The special counsel’s filing describes Trump’s conduct around January 6 as part of his attempt to remain in power.
7. Using private lawyers and campaign infrastructure to pursue the plan
According to federal prosecutors:
Trump’s efforts were carried out largely through private actors and campaign resources, not official government channels.
This is why prosecutors argue he cannot claim presidential immunity.
Of course, you proved my point...to wit..
"there is absolutely no way you would take anything I posted into account. Your past posts show dissent is not allowed"
What are the sources of this AI post?
I am confident I have already read everything you have to say on each subject.
Perfectly said.
I smell a seed that does not delete opposing views unlike some others
Notice the first reaction was to give me a "F-". Probably did not even read the post. Just knee jerk reactions when challenged.
I was being generous.
If you ever posted anything that is recognized by someone credible as being factual, no one would have to give you an F-
Notice how you challenged me to a debate, I called you on it, and your responses were nothing but AI generated response, insults and stupidity.
I should have just not responded. The non response I would have received would have been more intelligent.
Your debate arguments are blatant what aboutism and unsupported almost meaningless assertions. I posted things that are sourced facts.
It's almost childish to get into a "debate" with you.
And I asked you the sources of the AI post you copied and pasted. You failed to do so.
You challenged me to a debate...I answered the call, then you, according to your own words, post "unsupported almost meaningless assertions"
"It's almost childish to get into a "debate" with you."
What's childish is challenging someone to a debate, then refusing to debate them.
Reality doesn't give a shit what they think, either.
So, that's the excuse to destroy the United States? All this gaslighting outrage is over Hunter Hess' ambivalence for representing the United States. Yet that did not prevent Hess from 'going for the gold' and satisfying his own personal ambitions. To hell with TeamUSA, to hell with the United States, because Trump is President.
Hess, like so many, want to gaslight others into making the sacrifices on their behalf. Hess can't be bothered since he has a career to pursue and a life to live. Hess just can't be bothered. Let someone else do it.
Why is Hunter Hess any different than Donald Trump? Why is it so wrong for Mike Eruzione to call out Hess for behaving like Trump?
FCK This. Trump goes around demeaning and desecrating things sacred to many.
We all have the right, and actually a duty, to call out this POS for the bullshit he is saying and doing.
Wake up AMERICA !
Face up to it. Most of you put him there, and after all, wasn't that democracy in action?
Friend Buzz, we do face up to it. The presidential election of Donald J. Trump for a second term is democracy in action. . . and so is our disfavor and disapproval of the abusive presidency of Trump-democratic principles in practice.
What do you think the dems learned by making Trump seem like the better choice than who they ran against him?
The way the question is framed is confusing, please restate it differently.
That was unfortunate.
Sorry Charlie, the question is what have YOU TRUMP defenders, supporters, excusers LEARNED...
I just read this again after seeing two up votes. WTF people ?
R ewe sheep gonna a tempt desus christ to blame Democrats smart enuff to not vote for a vengeful pedo protectin pussy grabbin pervert who potentially and most probably, will be found guilty of also being far more involved in the matters of scumbag Epstein than previously predicted, rather than accept the FACT, peep holes couldn't see what a scumbag Trump most definitely was, is, and will always be. Take ownership of YOUR FCK UP, not the Democrats, WTHELL
Well, "please" did not solicit a response. So I will just let it be another one that got away!
‘Miracle on Ice’ team captain: Keep politics out of Olympics | Batya!
Here is the interview under discussion in this article. I have a mixed perspective on this one. I can understand Mr. Eurizone's perspective which goes something like: 'Don't make wave.' or 'Don't be that those (black) guys that held up black-gloved hands on the medal platform' or 'Don't be an agitator ':
Tommie Smith
The price of the Olympic Black Power salute, BBC 1972.
A very interesting, INFORMATIVE, WELL-SPOKEN interviewee, Tommie Smith , suffered GREATLY (though he says he would have done something at that Olympics 1968 in any case.
On a positive note about protests in sports. . . I can hear the great John Lewis say to GLOBAL CITIZENS :
"Get in good trouble , necessary trouble , and help redeem the soul of America."
This quote emphasizes the importance of standing up against injustice and fighting for civil rights.
Eruzione is in effect saying that people should take Trump in stride. That attitude has gotten us where we are today, which is not good.
He doesn't mention Trump , but he criticizes the athletes who criticize Trump. Eruzione in effect denies that the country is in a crisis. That is not good enough.
I see your perspective and agree.
As two things or several can be true at the same time, Mr. Eruzione is coming from an opinion that he believes in. . . that life in general can go much better (' gooder ') for athletes whom are slavishly devoted to their specific sporting endeavors if they keep counsel (quiet) of their political views during venues.
Because in a bifurcated public speaking out will ALWAYS offend some bloc of the 'buying' public whom can squash a career (or several) by lack of support.
On the other hand, athletes are 'superior' because they do take into account the 'forces' that may speak out, make calls about their perceived negative conduct, and even heavily and 'forcefully' campaign against them for the forum they chose to message (protest in):
After the 2016 NFL protests reshaped his career, [10 years later] Colin Kaepernick says the advice he’d give his younger self is this: Don’t dilute your voice to keep the peace .
Michael Zagaris / Getty Images
On a different and separate note, I can emphasize that life for someone taking a 'middle the road' perspective like Mr. Eurizone is tantamount to not "bucking the system". . . . It is highly probable that Mr. Eruzione's life has been immeasurably successful because he had no societal or political "fight to fight" when he was a young athlete. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that—for him. However, the decision for others (and it does not escape me how besetting, lifelong, and suppressive life can be for many) is an individual one accordingly.
What it comes down to is people like Eruzione are fooling themselves into believing the country is not in a crisis.
And that is one man's perspective. I will grant he is entitled to hold to it. Similarly, it is an(other) athletes right to speak out about something in 'community' that disturbs him/her/them—which Mr. Eruzione acknowledges. It does not escape observation that Mr. Eruzione is a member of the majority populace likely finding less offense in U.S. politics of aggression and domination than some whom are being beset by the same.
The thing is, with our athletes in Italy, we don’t even know what side they’re on. Their comments were actually pretty vague. It’s not like they came out and said “Trump sucks,” or anything like that. But only the conservatives are butthurt over it.
Republicans love to play a political game of
'Wack a mole' with other people's first amendment rights. . . and privileges.
Alternatively, if you don’t have something good to say about our athletes, don’t say anything.
See how that works?
Mike may not like what some of the athletes have to say (at press conferences, mind you), but at least they aren’t telling him to shut up.
Well 'played' Tacos!
If you have anything good to say about Trump you should be ashamed of yourself and go sit in the corner.
If you're saying good things about Trump, you've either been abducted by MAGA and are suffering Stockholm syndrome, or you were raised by white conservative Christian extremist parents who thought 'The Boys from Brazil' was an instructional video on how to raise the next Uber-Messiah to run their hoped for Christo-fascist New World Order but after growing up and blaming your complete lack of talent, low intelligence, no motivation, low sperm count and receding hair line on Obama, you're now just an incel loser living in your parents basement circle jerking to photoshopped pictures of Donald Trump with muscles holding assault rifles.
that's a very disturbing mental image
I enjoyed watching the movie "Miracle", but now I feel differently about it.
1.1 was locked to keep it from becoming worse