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DOJ indicts James Comey again amid probe tied to '86 47' shell post

  
Via:  John Russell  •  7 months ago  •  100 comments

By:   Greg Wehner (Fox News)

DOJ indicts James Comey again amid probe tied to '86 47' shell post
The Justice Department has reportedly indicted former FBI Director James Comey for a second time as investigators examine a viral "86 47" Instagram post and other actions linked to President Donald Trump, according to sources.

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Former FBI Director James Comey has been   indicted for a second time   by the Justice Department, multiple sources told Fox News. The charges appear to be in relation to a May 2025 Instagram photo of an "86 47" shell formation on a beach.



While the specific counts were not immediately clear, the indictment follows a wave of criticism from Republicans and Trump administration officials who viewed the post as a veiled threat.



In the slang often used in the service industry, to "86" something means to eject, cancel or get rid of it. Donald Trump is currently the 47th president of the United States.



Comey removed the post the same day it was uploaded, claiming he had misinterpreted the shells as a general political message.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    7 months ago

This is what happens when we have a mentally ill lunatic running our governmenmt. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @1    7 months ago
This is what happens when we have a mentally ill lunatic running our government. 

This is what happens when mentally ill lunatics elect a self-absorbed shallow accused pedophile and convicted felon narcissist as President and then have people with no self-respect or ethics compete to win that Presidents favor.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    7 months ago
 86 is a slang term that originated in American bars and restaurants in the 1930s and 1940s. It originally meant to throw out, cancel, or refuse service and has been used in various contexts to indicate removal or rejection. Over time, it has also been interpreted more dramatically in some modern contexts to mean “to kill,” though this usage is rare and not widely adopted in dictionaries like Merriam-Webster.  The Independent+3 
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2    7 months ago

This is directly from Merriam Websters dictionary

Eighty-six  is slang meaning "to throw out," "to get rid of," or "to refuse service to." It comes from 1930s soda-counter slang meaning that an item was sold out. There is varying anecdotal evidence about why the term  eighty-six  was used, but the most common theory is that it is rhyming slang for  nix . What does 'eighty-six' mean? | Merriam-Webster
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    7 months ago

Todd Blanche is speaking now, and he is a total disgrace to this country. 

He claims there has been a year long investigation. Its fucking ridiculous. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @3    7 months ago
He claims there has been a year long investigation.

He's most likely correct.  However the investigation was a fishing trip to try and find something, anything, to investigate.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    7 months ago
try and find something, anything, to investigate.

and this is all they could come up with?  Expect Trumps approval rating to drop another point or two if this ever goes to court.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    7 months ago

This is NEVER going to court beyond a dismissal hearing.  NEVER.

The only reason for this indictment is to harass and intimidate Comey, and to get Blanche appointed Attorney General.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.2    6 months ago
This is NEVER going to court beyond a dismissal hearing.

Unless it goes in front of judge Aileen Cannon.  She will allow the Trump DOJ to retroactively change the definition of "86" to meet their needs.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    7 months ago

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JBB
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4.1  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @4    6 months ago

original

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5  Tacos!    7 months ago

This is a level of Stupid that should be embarrassing to the people pushing it. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @5    6 months ago

Worst DOJ ever.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6  MrFrost    7 months ago

Didn't Trump say Liz Cheney should be executed? Indictment time!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @6    7 months ago

Oh, hell! He's called for the execution of Democrats!

Lock him up!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    6 months ago

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.2  Split Personality  replied to  MrFrost @6    6 months ago

He also threatened Hillary by inferring the people who love their 2nd amendment rights would "take care of her" for him.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7  Gsquared    7 months ago

If anyone needs further proof how pathetically sick the Trumpist regime is, this is it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.1  MrFrost  replied to  Gsquared @7    7 months ago

Exactly 

 
 
 
evilone
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7.2  evilone  replied to  Gsquared @7    7 months ago

This is a pathetically desperate attempt to appease a pathetically sick 'leader'.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.2.1  Gsquared  replied to  evilone @7.2    7 months ago

We now have a government of Trump, by Trump, for Trump.  And Lincoln is rolling over in his grave.

 
 
 
evilone
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7.2.2  evilone  replied to  Gsquared @7.2.1    6 months ago
We now have a government of Trump, by Trump, for Trump. 

The Party of Law & Order has been reduced to a funny internet meme. The Peace President started a war. The guy who ran his campaign on kitchen table finances promising to lower costs will see $5 per gallon gas in days. ...and yet we get the same gaslighting everyday telling us he's a hero and we're all just bitter.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @7.2.2    6 months ago
yet we get the same gaslighting everyday telling us he's a hero and we're all just bitter.

the gas lighters can kiss my ass

 
 
 
evilone
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7.2.4  evilone  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.3    6 months ago

i don't trust any of them that close to me. LOL!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  Gsquared @7.2.1    6 months ago

now he wants his mug shot on my passport.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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7.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Gsquared @7    6 months ago

Reason number 8,647.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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8  Snuffy    7 months ago

This is a stupid indictment that should never have been made. I suspect it will be quickly tossed on First Amendment rights. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.1  MrFrost  replied to  Snuffy @8    6 months ago

I agree with ya.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9  Tacos!    7 months ago
The charges appear to be in relation to a May 2025 Instagram photo of an "86 47" shell formation on a beach.

So, can we expect to see charges against Trump for retweeting an image of Biden bound and gagged ? For saying there would be death and destruction if he were indicted in New York? For threatening to destroy an entire civilization ? For telling thousands of people to go fight the government to overturn an election? For saying Liz Cheney should face gunfire ? For telling people at his rallies to attack hecklers? 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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9.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tacos! @9    7 months ago

Remember this one?

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Not that anyone should be surprised at the MASSIVE hypocrisy from rightwing conservatives, that seems to be their brand now I suppose.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.2  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @9    6 months ago
DONALD Trump’s done it again. But this time, he suggested Hillary Clinton’s Secret Service guards voluntarily disarm and “see what happens to her.”
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Sean Treacy
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10  Sean Treacy    7 months ago

Same mentality as the trump indictment in New York.  Funny to see those who opened  Pandora’s box  whine about this. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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10.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    7 months ago
Funny to see those who opened Pandora’s box whine about this.

How is indicting, prosecuting and convicting Trump of multiple felonies that still stand because they were valid charges that he was proven guilty of, "opening Pandoras box"? No amount of tired sad little Trump toe suckers desperate to prove their loyalty to their master whining about how unfair the world is to him is going to change the fact that Trump, unlike James Comey, is a convicted felon. Anyone who voted for and supports Trump voted for and supports a convicted felon. That's a fact. If he didn't have a bunch of brain-dead meat bag bigots licking his feet, groveling before him and empowering him, he wouldn't even be allowed to own a gun let alone have the nuclear codes. It is really getting hard to watch the groveling by the way.

Currently watching the press conference with the DOH and AG which is FUCKING HILARIOUS! OMG These guys are trying to act serious but know this is going to come back and get thrown in their fucking faces. It's like they all had the look of hogs going to slaughter because they know their careers are pretty much over after this joke of an indictment is thrown out and pissy pants Trump baby screams for heads to roll. It's like watching a low budget clown circus every day with this administration. How any patriotic American can support this joke of a President and a joke of an administration is beyond anyone with more than half a brain. What a shit show.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.1    7 months ago
he wouldn't even be allowed to own a gun

give him a gun and he'll shoot his other ear off

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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10.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.1    6 months ago
give him a gun and he'll shoot his other ear off

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I'd trust this monkey with a gun long before I would trust Trump with one. He's clearly smarter, better looking and in far better physical health than that loser the sad lonely white nationalist incels worship.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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10.2  Gsquared  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    7 months ago

That comment is scrounging for relevance.  It's not finding any.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11  TᵢG    7 months ago

To those who whined about Trump's justifiable indictments for his attempt to steal the 2020 election and his obstruction in the return of classified documents, this is what genuine lawfare looks like.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12  Vic Eldred    7 months ago

I was walking along the beach, and I said to my wife what's that?  I wonder what it means. So, I took a picture of it and posted it on Instagram.

What a believable story. / S

From the same guy who chuckled and said I knew they wouldn't be prepared, so I sent a couple of guys over and before ya know it, we decided that Michael Flynn was lying to us. The same guy that violated FBI rules and kept private memos, leaked questionable information, lied to the President and testified before congress that he couldn't remember only about 3 dozen times.

Once again, he seems confident that a DC jury would never convict him. I have to agree, but at the very least he will again have to pay legal expenses and worry just a little bit, and for that I'm happy.

 
 
 
JBB
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12.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    7 months ago

original

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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12.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    6 months ago
What a believable story. / S

It doesn't have to be believable, he could have said, "Yeah, I saw some rocks, so I put them together to say "86 47" because I want to get that slimy fucking piece of shit President out of office". Only dumb fucks are stupid enough to think he meant that as some message to kill the President. That is the most laughable bullshit I've seen coming from this administration and that is saying something because everything they do shows they are nothing but a clown show dumpster fire and that would be just laughable if it wasn't so fucking serious. We need to 86 47 right fucking now, and I mean 86 as it was originally meant, to junk, to get rid of, to throw away, to discard. Claiming Comey was trying to incite violence is just so fucking stupid there is simply no way the charges don't get thrown out of court just like this stupid fucking president and his cadre of losers should be thrown out of the Whitehouse.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2    6 months ago

The clown Todd Blanche was asked if right wing activist Jack Posobiec would now be indicted for having put 86 46 on his social media in 2022. Not surprisingly Blanche said the two cases are not the same. 

 
 
 
evilone
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12.2.2  evilone  replied to  JohnRussell @12.2.1    6 months ago

They should ask if they plan on indicting Matt Blevins for quoting Thomas Jefferson's watering the tree of liberty if Hillary Clinton won in 2016.

I want us to be able to fight ideologically, mentally, spiritually, economically, so that we don’t have to do it physically. But that may, in fact, be the case….

Somebody asked me yesterday, I did an interview, “Do you think it’s possible, if Hillary Clinton were to win the election, do you think it’s possible that we’ll be able to survive, that we’d ever be able to recover as a nation?” And while there are people who have stood on this stage and said we would not, I would beg to differ. I do think it would be possible, but at what price? At what price? The roots of the tree of liberty are watered by what? The blood of who? The tyrants, to be sure, but who else? The patriots.

Whose blood will be shed? It may be that of those in this room. It might be that of our children and grandchildren. I have nine children. It breaks my heart to think that it might be their blood is needed to redeem something, to reclaim something that we, through our apathy and our indifference, have given away. Don’t let it happen.

This was a blatant and direct call to violence. Where's his arrest warrant? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2    6 months ago

I'm willing to bet just about everyone here has walked the beach at some point during their lives. I'm also willing to bet that none has come across a group of painted shells in the sand arranged to send a political message.

We seem to have only one person who walks along the beach as a sort of Socrates Jr wondering aloud about what a shell formation means, then posts it for the world to see to taunt the President he once tried to remove.

All too obvious with the left as usual trying to defend it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.2.3    6 months ago

Ok, try and convict him for taunting then. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12.2.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12.2.4    6 months ago

Are you sure the object is a conviction?

He will again have to spend money on a legal defense, but others will now be more careful with their rhetoric.

Let's just call it deterrance.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.2.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.2.5    6 months ago

what makes you think he's going to have to spend a lot of money on his defense?

beyond that you are admitting that it is a frivolous charge

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12.2.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12.2.6    6 months ago
what makes you think he's going to have to spend a lot of money on his defense?

Lawyers are not cheap. This is his second go around.


beyond that you are admitting that it is a frivolous charge

It can go either way. It's close, but it was made public right after a third attempt on the President's life. Assuming that the charge is a bit of a stretch, let us remember all that Comey did and got away with. Remember this: In 1936 Charles (Lucky) Luciano was indicted, tried, and convicted of prostitution. It was all fake because NY DA Dewey wanted to win a big case and run for President. But think of all the real crimes Luciano got away with.

Feel better?

 
 
 
Gsquared
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12.2.8  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.2.5    6 months ago
Are you sure the object is a conviction? Let's just call it deterrance [sic].

Let's just call it what it is, a perversion of the justice system.  Something Republicans specialize in.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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12.2.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.2.3    6 months ago
none has come across a group of painted shells in the sand arranged to send a political message.

So, I take it you missed the entire point of my comment. I don't care whether Comey saw someone else's rocks spelling out "86 47" or he did it himself, it's NOT a fucking threat to the President. And the hypocritical Trump crowd would be laughing at this too if this was Biden trying to prosecute a Trump politician for posting "86 46". But because its Trump and his loyalist toe suckers are out in force, some act as if we're supposed to take this seriously. Well, I'm not taking this seriously because it's not serious. It is a joke, and anyone who thinks it is serious can fuck right off because they're either fucking delusional or just a really bad actor with crocodile tears. My gut tells me it's likely the latter in most cases I see here.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.2.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.2.7    6 months ago

Your trying to piece and patch together a rational for this frivolous indictment will impress no one.  Tacos asked a good question earlier - if this is supposed to be a serious charge why did they wait a year to bring it?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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12.2.11  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.2.5    6 months ago
Let's just call it deterrance.

How you can not call it lawfare after all your railing about lawfare in the past is quite impressive.

How is it possible that you do not recognize acute lawfare right in front of your face?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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12.2.12  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @12.2.11    6 months ago
How you can not call it lawfare after all your railing about lawfare

He's capable likely for the same reason McDonalds employees don't say "Here is your order of 20 nuggets made from a mysterious mix of blood vessels, nerves, a lot of fat, skin, chicken assholes and only about 50% chicken muscle tissue". Being honest would destroy his business of defending Trump in all things.

 
 
 
devangelical
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12.2.13  devangelical  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2.12    6 months ago
chicken assholes

seems as though some of them really are what they eat then ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    6 months ago

Somebody arranged the sea shells , unless God wants Trump out too.  But its possible some other patriot , not Comey, created the display and just left it there. Thats not really the point anyway. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12.3    6 months ago

How do you know Comey didn't arrange them?

I would never expect to see that on a beach. Come on John!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.1    6 months ago

He may very well have arranged them , so what?  He wasnt calling for the death of Trump.  If it wasnt an enemy of Trump who he wants unjustified revenge on this indictment wouldnt exist. I could put 86 47 on twitter today and nothing would happen. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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12.3.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.1    6 months ago
How do you know Comey didn't arrange them?

He could have shown a video of him arranging them and this case is still getting thrown out of court as too fucking laughable. This clearly shows how unserious this joke of an administration [deleted] [✘] What a bunch of fucking losers to get all bent out of shape over a picture of some [rocks.deleted][✘]

 
 
 
evilone
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12.3.4  evilone  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.3.3    6 months ago

This really is one of their dumber arguments, in a long list of dumb arguments.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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12.3.5  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.1    6 months ago

Even if he did, it is not a crime in any way, shape, or form.

 
 
 
devangelical
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12.3.6  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.1    6 months ago
I would never expect to see that on a beach

what about on a billboard, or a sky-writer? it's very helpful to progressives when maga discloses which parts of the constitution are most offensive to them...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12.3.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @12.3.5    6 months ago

A former FBI Director who was intimately involved in schemes to undermine a President and got to walk away free then decides to publicly taunt the President?

I don't think we should tolerate that. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.3.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.7    6 months ago
A former FBI Director who was intimately involved in schemes to undermine a President

why are you making things up ? 

 
 
 
devangelical
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12.3.9  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.1    6 months ago
I would never expect to see that on a beach.

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TᵢG
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12.3.10  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.7    6 months ago
A former FBI Director who was intimately involved in schemes to undermine a President and got to walk away free then decides to publicly taunt the President?

A former FBI director doing his job properly, who is then the target of a vindictive, irresponsible PotUS engaging in genuine lawfare based on laughably frivolous grounds.

You invent an alternate reality and think people are going to buy that nonsense?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12.3.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @12.3.10    6 months ago
A former FBI director doing his job properly,

Comey was in the room in late 2016 after Trump had been just elected, when Obama basically told Brennan, Clapper & Comey that he didn't believe the intelligence reports were accurate about not finding verifiable Russian collusion, and he wanted them to bring something that showed Donald Trump colluded with Russia.

Don't you recall when Comey laughed about sending an FBI team to interview Michael Flynn? Remember how Comey said the Trump administration transition team was so inept and so unprepared and didn't even have a lawyer there. Thus, Michael Flynn naively welcomed them into his office, and he talked to them and incriminated himself without counsel. The FBI people who interviewed him, you may recall felt he had been honest with them.

Let us also not forget that Comey admitted to leaking information in order to frame Donald Trump. He also memorialized a certain conversation and hid it from the FBI files and then leaked it indirectly to the New York Times.

He also hired Christopher Steele, who had been working for the Clinton campaign to dig up dirt on Donald Trump and who would become famous for fabricating a phony dossier. BTW Hillary Clinton was clearly guilty of a few things including keeping confidential information on a private server, destroying confidential government information and hiring a foreign national to do her campaign's opposition research. Comey took it upon himself to let her walk.

He led a baseless investigation of President Trump while assuring the President that he was not the target of the investigation. When Andrew McCabe was caught red handed about leaking to the media. He claimed that Comey told him to do it. Comey denied it. So, one of them was lying there.

What all of that adds up to is that James Comey was an immoral partisan who tried to take down a President. Whether he crossed any legal lines is another issue.

I wish him all that he deserves.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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12.3.12  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.11    6 months ago
What all of that adds up to is that James Comey was an immoral partisan who tried to take down a President.

It remains amazing that you can post exaggerated nonsense and fabricated 'facts' when dealing with Comey et.al., yet never even offer a hint of the real wrongdoing by Trump.

I wish him all that he deserves.

You want him convicted of a crime for posting 8647.


ChatGPT Fact Checking of your claims:

  • Obama “ordered” Brennan, Clapper, and Comey to manufacture Trump-Russia collusion evidence — False / unsupported. Declassified material released in 2025 did not substantiate that claim, and prior investigations found the Russia probe was opened with sufficient predication. ( AP News )

  • Comey “set up” Flynn by exploiting an unprepared transition team — Partly true, but overstated. Comey did say the FBI took advantage of a less organized transition environment, but the claim that he admitted a deliberate “frame-up” goes beyond the documented record. ( Reuters )

  • The Flynn agents thought Flynn was truthful — Mixed. Internal records later suggested the agents did not see obvious signs of deception, but Flynn also pleaded guilty twice before being pardoned, and Comey later testified the agents believed Flynn was lying. ( Reuters )

  • Comey admitted leaking information to trigger a special counsel — True. He acknowledged giving memo contents to a friend to share with the press, and the DOJ inspector general found he violated FBI policy and his employment agreement in handling those memos. ( Reuters )

  • Comey “hid” memos from FBI files — Unsupported as stated. The inspector general found the memos were official FBI records and that Comey mishandled them, but that is not the same as proving he secretly concealed them from FBI files. ( DOJ Inspector General )

  • Comey hired Christopher Steele — False. Steele was hired by Fusion GPS , which was working for interests tied to the Clinton campaign and DNC. ( Reuters )

  • The Steele dossier was “phony” / fabricated — Overstated. Large parts were unverified or later discredited, but the more accurate description is unreliable and unsubstantiated, not cleanly proved fabrication in every part. ( AP News )

  • Comey let Hillary Clinton “walk” even though she was clearly guilty — False / opinion stated as fact. DOJ and FBI declined charges, and the DOJ inspector general found no evidence Comey’s public statement was driven by bias or an effort to influence the election. ( DOJ Inspector General )

  • Hiring Steele as a foreign national for opposition research was clearly illegal — False. The Clinton campaign and DNC were penalized for misreporting expenses , not for a proved crime of unlawfully hiring Steele. ( Reuters )

  • Comey led a baseless Trump-Russia investigation while telling Trump he wasn’t the target — Half true, half false. He did tell Trump he was not personally under investigation at points in 2017, but the DOJ inspector general found Crossfire Hurricane had sufficient factual predication, so “baseless” is inaccurate. ( Reuters )

  • McCabe said Comey approved leaking; Comey denied it — Roughly true. There was a documented dispute over what Comey knew or approved, but that alone does not establish which man lied about the full episode. ( Reuters )

  • Bottom line: “Comey was an immoral partisan who tried to take down a president” — Opinion, not a fact claim. Some conduct was officially criticized, especially the memo leak handling, but several of the specific factual claims used to support that conclusion are false or unsupported. ( DOJ Inspector General )

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12.3.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @12.3.12    6 months ago

ChatGPT is bull shit.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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12.3.14  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.13    6 months ago

Of course, you do not like AI fact-checking, since it routinely blows holes in your fantastic claims.

And you ignore the links to AP, Reuters, etc., because they are all 'bullshit' too when they counter your nonsense.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12.3.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @12.3.14    6 months ago

All the fact checking sites have historically been left wing and dishonest:

Fact-checking the fact-checkers: ‘Pants on Fire’ partisans | New York Post

You need to stop gaslighting

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
12.3.16  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.15    6 months ago
All the fact checking sites have historically been left wing and dishonest:

That is very true but when I need to prove a leftist wrong..easily...I will use AI because of the left lean. 

Leftists cannot argue with it because they believe everything AI tells them 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.3.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.15    6 months ago

Your link is a five year old article about one site. Most people fact check with AI today. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @12.3.16    6 months ago

They seem to forget that we lived through all of that. We saw what Comey did and how the FBI fudged a FISA warrant application to spy on a US citizen and how Comey overstepped his authority to let Hillary walk after Obama's AG had compromised herself by meeting with Bill Clinton.

Now we have AI tell us it never happened 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12.3.17    6 months ago

Most people?

Prove it

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.20  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.15    6 months ago
All the fact checking sites have historically been left wing and dishonest:

Of course, Vic, if reality refutes your posted fantasy, you declare reality 'dishonest'.

Your protests are pathetic.

  • Did Trump try to steal the 2020 election?
  • Did Trump obstruct the safe return of classified documents?
  • Did Trump cause havoc with the global economy (and thus our domestic economy) with his idiotic tariffs and illegal Iran war?

Denial of these facts illustrates the adoption of an alternate (and false) reality.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.21  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.18    6 months ago

Believing something to be real does not make it so.   Neither does wishful thinking.   Neither does flat out lying for partisan purposes.

None of that works.  All can be fact-checked with reliable sources.

Your protests are pointless.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.22  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.19    6 months ago

I want to demonstrate how dishonest ChatGPT is. First of all, we just heard the news sites that ChatGPT used. Please note there is no Fox News or WSJ there. But let me tear apart some of that dishonest analysis that TiG had to run to ChatGPT for:

The Flynn agents thought Flynn was truthful — Mixed.  Internal records later suggested the agents did not see obvious signs of deception, but Flynn also pleaded guilty twice before being pardoned, and Comey later testified the agents believed Flynn was lying. (  Reuters  )

It is "mixed" because Flynn eventually pleaded guilty?  How dishonest.

Why did he plead guilty?

"As I’ve noted several times over the years, it has long been speculated that Flynn — though he did not believe he was guilty (and though the agents who interviewed him also did not believe he had intentionally misled them) — nevertheless pled guilty to false-statements charges because prosecutors from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s staff threatened him. Specifically, Flynn is said to have been warned that, if he refused to plead guilty, prosecutors would charge his son with a felony for failing to register with the Justice Department as a foreign agent. Such a so-called FARA violation (Foreign Agent Registration Act) is a crime that the DOJ almost never charged before the Mueller investigation, and it had dubious application to Flynn’s son (who worked for Flynn’s private-intelligence firm)."

Michael Flynn & Justice Department: New Revelations in Case | National Review



The statement I made was not mixed. It was 100% true. The agents who interviewed him believed he was being truthful.

"The report says McCabe, in particular, testified that the two agents who interviewed Flynn “didn’t think he was lying.”

House Intel report: McCabe said agents who interviewed Flynn ‘didn’t think he was lying’


You see, I don't need to run to some site to debate anyone or rewrite history. 

I just roll out the facts.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.23  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @12.3.16    6 months ago
Leftists cannot argue with it because they believe everything AI tells them 

Another invented 'fact' in lieu of an actual argument.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.24  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.22    6 months ago
I just roll out the facts.

You ' roll out ' mostly bullshit and an alternate reality.

ChatGPT's response to your attempt to portray it as 'dishonest':

  • His opening shot is a non-argument. “ChatGPT didn’t cite Fox or WSJ” says nothing about whether the answer was true. That is source-poisoning, not fact-checking. If anything, the answer leaned on Reuters, AP, DOJ filings, and congressional material , which are stronger than an opinion column. ( Reuters )

  • He attacks “mixed” by changing what was being evaluated. If the narrow claim is only “the interviewing agents initially thought Flynn did not seem deceptive,” that is well supported. DOJ’s 2020 motion to dismiss said both agents had the impression Flynn “was not lying or did not think he was lying,” and contemporaneous congressional material quoted McCabe similarly. But that does not make the broader evidentiary picture one-sided, because Flynn later pleaded guilty twice , and in 2018 he told the court he knew lying to the FBI was a crime and stood by his plea. Calling the overall picture “mixed” is not dishonest. At most, it is a debatable wording choice. ( CNN )

  • His “why did he plead guilty?” section does not prove what he thinks it proves. The quote he relies on is openly speculative: “it has long been speculated,” “is said to have been warned.” That is not evidence. It is conjecture about plea leverage. Plea pressure may be real in many cases, but it does not erase the fact that Flynn entered guilty pleas and later reaffirmed one in court. ( Reuters )

  • He treats “the agents didn’t think he was lying” as if it settles the case. It doesn’t. At most, that shows the agents did not detect deception from demeanor during the interview. It does not prove Flynn’s statements were true. The filed statement of offense says Flynn made materially false statements about his Kislyak conversations. Those two things can coexist: the agents may not have read him as deceptive in real time, while the statements were still false when compared with the underlying calls. ( Department of Justice )

  • He ignores the difference between “seemed truthful” and “was truthful.” The House material and later reporting are about the agents’ initial impression , not a definitive adjudication of truth. Even the Washington Post fact check that sided against Comey on this specific point still noted Flynn’s plea agreement admitted false statements. So the record is not “100% one-way” unless you cherry-pick only the first impression and ignore everything after. ( The Washington Post )

  • He accuses ChatGPT of “rewriting history” while doing exactly that himself. The historical record includes both the agents’ initial impression and Flynn’s guilty pleas. Any account that omits either half is incomplete. Reuters explicitly reported Flynn pleaded guilty in 2017 and later stood by that plea in 2018, and later reported he pleaded guilty twice . ( Reuters )

  • His “I just roll out the facts” line collapses on contact. He literally “ran to a site” himself: an opinion piece in National Review and a selectively quoted congressional report. That is not “just facts.” That is curated advocacy. By contrast, the strongest evidence on this point is the combination of the DOJ filing, the plea documents, and contemporaneous reporting. ( CNN )

  • The fairest correction to the earlier ChatGPT answer is narrow, not sweeping. A more precise line would have been: “The agents’ initial impression appears to support the claim, but the overall record is contested because Flynn later pleaded guilty twice and the case took multiple turns.” That is a wording refinement. It is nowhere close to proof of dishonesty. ( CNN )

So the argument fails for a simple reason: he mistakes a defensible quibble over phrasing for evidence of bad faith, then props that up with speculation and selective quotation. The record is not “Flynn innocent, ChatGPT dishonest.” The record is: the agents initially did not detect deception, Flynn later pleaded guilty twice, and the case became politically and legally contested afterward. ( CNN )
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.25  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @12.3.21    6 months ago
Believing something to be real does not make it so.

It is about time you faced the facts.


Here is another BS statement:

Obama “ordered” Brennan, Clapper, and Comey to manufacture Trump-Russia collusion evidence — False / unsupported.  Declassified material released in 2025 did  not  substantiate that claim, and prior investigations found the Russia probe was opened with sufficient predication. (  AP News  )


FACT:

Top officials from former President  Barack Obama ʼs administration suppressed a key intelligence assessment in December 2016 that concluded Russia had not interfered with voting systems or altered the outcome of the presidential election, then ordered the creation of a new narrative alleging the opposite, according to newly declassified documents.

Director of National Intelligence  Tulsi Gabbard  declassified and released the records Friday, calling them “overwhelming evidence” that the Obama administration “manufactured and politicized intelligence” to justify what would become a yearslong campaign to undermine President  Donald Trump .

Obama officials hid intel that cleared Trump in 2016, declassified records show


Using AP News might not be a good idea.


 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.26  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @12.3.24    6 months ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.27  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.25    6 months ago
Comey “set up” Flynn by exploiting an unprepared transition team — Partly true, but overstated. Comey did say the FBI took advantage of a less organized transition environment, but the claim that he admitted a deliberate “frame-up” goes beyond the documented record. ( Reuters )

Another misleading BS statement. When did I say that Comey admitted to a deliberate frame-up. We don't need Comey to admit to a deliberate frame up for it to be one.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.28  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.27    6 months ago

Here's another:

  • Comey “hid” memos from FBI files — Unsupported as stated.  The inspector general found the memos were official FBI records and that Comey mishandled them, but that is not the same as proving he secretly concealed them from FBI files. (  DOJ Inspector General  )


    Haha! He "mishandled" them!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.29  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.25    6 months ago

Using the well-established bias of the Washington Examiner alone to establish facts is source-shopping.   It is a form of confirmation bias.

ChatGPT on your latest attempt:

Here’s a tight fact check:
  • Bottom line: mostly false or misleading. The core trick is to blur two different questions :

    1. whether Russia changed vote tallies / hacked voting machines , and

    2. whether Russia interfered in the election through hacking-and-leak operations and influence campaigns . The declassified material addresses the first; the January 2017 assessment addressed the second. They are not the same claim. ( AP News )

  • “Obama officials suppressed a December 2016 assessment” — misleading. President Obama did direct a broader intelligence review on December 9, 2016 . But the January 2017 public assessment did not reverse the point that Russia had not altered vote tallies. In fact, the Senate Intelligence Committee’s page on the January 2017 assessment says the IC did not assess the impact on the election outcome , and DHS assessed the targeted or compromised systems were not involved in vote tallying . ( Senate Select Committee on Intelligence )

  • “The December assessment concluded Russia had not interfered with voting systems or altered the outcome” — only partly true, and framed deceptively. It is true that pre- and post-election assessments said there was no evidence of cyber manipulation of election infrastructure to alter vote results . But that is not the same as saying Russia did not interfere in the election at all . AP and FactCheck both note the released documents concern vote-system tampering, while the broader intelligence conclusion was about email hacks, WikiLeaks releases, and social media influence operations . ( AP News )

  • “Then Obama officials ordered a new narrative alleging the opposite” — false. The January 2017 assessment did not claim Russia altered voting machines or changed vote totals. It said Putin ordered an influence campaign aimed at the U.S. election, with goals including undermining faith in democracy, harming Clinton, and showing a preference for Trump. That is different from alleging vote-count manipulation.

  • “Obama officials hid intel that cleared Trump” — false / misleading. Even Marco Rubio’s Senate Intelligence Committee statement drew the distinction clearly: the committee found no evidence Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia , but it also found “irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling.” So “cleared Trump” on collusion does not mean “Russia did not interfere.” ( Senate Select Committee on Intelligence )

  • “Gabbard’s declassified records prove a manufactured false narrative” — unsupported. AP reviewed the released materials and concluded they do not support Gabbard’s conspiracy claim. FactCheck likewise said her case is based on a misleading conflation of “no successful hacking of election infrastructure” with “no Russian interference.” ( AP News )

  • What the bipartisan/official record still says:

    • Russia did interfere in the 2016 election through a multifaceted influence campaign.

    • The IC did not assess that Russia changed the election outcome , and DHS said the systems targeted were not involved in vote tallying . ( Senate Select Committee on Intelligence )

    • The Senate Intelligence Committee said it found no reason to dispute the IC’s conclusions, and Rubio later said there was “irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling.” ( FactCheck.org )

So the clean verdict is:

  • True only in the narrow sense that U.S. officials said Russia did not successfully hack vote tallying systems or manipulate vote counts. ( Senate Select Committee on Intelligence )

  • False in the broader sense that this somehow disproves Russian election interference or proves Obama officials invented a contrary story. The January 2017 assessment and later bipartisan investigations addressed influence operations , not vote-count tampering, and those conclusions were not overturned by the declassified material. ( AP News )


Show us more denial of the obvious:

  • Did Trump try to steal the 2020 election?
  • Did Trump obstruct the safe return of classified documents?
  • Did Trump cause havoc with the global economy (and thus our domestic economy) with his idiotic tariffs and illegal Iran war?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.30  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.28    6 months ago
He ignores the difference between “seemed truthful” and “was truthful.” The House material and later reporting are about the agents’ initial impression , not a definitive adjudication of truth. Even the Washington Post fact check that sided against Comey on this specific point still noted Flynn’s plea agreement admitted false statements. So the record is not “100% one-way” unless you cherry-pick only the first impression and ignore everything after. ( The Washington Post )

Two misleading statements on what FBI investigators originally said. They tell us twice that Flynn pleaded guilty and I already showed why he pleaded guilty. BTW it has nothing to do with the FBI investigators impressions.

ChatGPS working overtime to mislead.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.31  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @12.3.29    6 months ago

You can't call anyone biased TiG, because you depend on a site to do your debating for you.

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.32  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.27    6 months ago
Another misleading BS statement. When did I say that Comey admitted to a deliberate frame-up. We don't need Comey to admit to a deliberate frame up for it to be one.

You argued that Comey framed Flynn.   Or are you going to try to back out of that?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.33  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.28    6 months ago

You leap to malicious intent ("hid") while ChatGPT used language that was more defensible given what is known.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.34  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.30    6 months ago

ChatGPT on your attempted rebuttal:

That rebuttal falls apart for a very simple reason: it does not answer the point that was made .
  • It attacks a claim I did not make. The point was not “the agents thought Flynn lied.” The point was that there is a difference between “the agents’ initial impression was that he didn’t seem deceptive” and “therefore he was truthful.” Even the later DOJ motion to dismiss described the agents’ view as an “impression at the time” that Flynn “was not lying or did not think he was lying.” That is plainly a description of their initial read of the interview, not a definitive finding of truth. ( CNN )

  • His “why he pleaded guilty” argument is a dodge. Whether he now claims Flynn pleaded guilty because of pressure does not change the fact that Flynn signed a Statement of the Offense saying the facts were “true and accurate,” that he was pleading guilty “because I am, in fact, guilty,” and that “No threats have been made to me.” That is not pundit spin. That is Flynn’s own signed filing. ( Department of Justice )

  • And Flynn reaffirmed that position later in court. Reuters reported that in December 2018 Flynn told the court he knew lying to the FBI was a crime and stood by his guilty plea; his lawyer also told the court Flynn was not entrapped . So the “he only pleaded because of threats” line is not some uncontested fact. It runs straight into Flynn’s own later sworn stance. ( Reuters )

  • The plea history is relevant precisely because it goes to the “was truthful” question. The rebuttal says the pleas “have nothing to do with the FBI investigators’ impressions.” That is wrong. They do not change what the agents’ first impression was, but they absolutely matter to the broader question of whether the overall record is one-sided. Reuters notes Flynn twice pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. That is highly relevant to whether the story is “100% the agents thought he was truthful, end of discussion.” It is not. ( Reuters )

  • He is conflating demeanor with truth. The agents’ reported view was essentially: Flynn did not display obvious indicators of deception. That is not the same as proving that his statements were accurate. Flynn’s signed statement of offense says he made materially false statements and then lays out those false statements in detail. So the agents’ initial read and Flynn’s later admissions can coexist. ( CNN )

  • His alternative theory is speculation, not a rebuttal of the record. “He pleaded guilty because prosecutors threatened his son” is an argument about motive. It does not erase Flynn’s signed admission that no threats had been made, nor his later reaffirmation in court. If someone wants to override sworn admissions with a coercion theory, the burden is on them to prove it. Quoting later speculation does not do that. ( Department of Justice )

So the rebuttal fails on the merits:

Yes , the agents’ initial impression appears to have been that Flynn did not seem deceptive.
No , that does not make the record “100% one-way.”
Why not? Because Flynn later signed a factual statement admitting guilt , said no threats had been made, and later stood by the plea in court . ( CNN )

That is exactly why “mixed” was a fair characterization of the overall record , even if the narrow claim about the agents’ first impression was substantially true.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.31    6 months ago

More Bull Shit:

  • Comey let Hillary Clinton “walk” even though she was clearly guilty — False / opinion stated as fact.  DOJ and FBI declined charges, and the DOJ inspector general found no evidence Comey’s public statement was driven by bias or an effort to influence the election. (  DOJ Inspector General )

    It is not opinion. It is fact . She had classified documents on her private server, and they were destroyed when under subpoena. The FBI investigation conducted by Comey was a complete farce and ChatGPS never even answered my charge that Comey didn't have the authority to bring or dismiss charges. That was supposed to be for the DOJ.

    For those of us who lived through it here is yet another reminder:

    WASHINGTON — The FBI barely glanced at potentially crucial evidence in its  investigation of Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server  while secretary of state, according to a portion of a watchdog report made public Monday.

    A confidential source gave thumb drives to the FBI that contained State Department data acquired via cyber intrusions — including emails from  President Barack Obama and others , according to a declassified appendix to a  June 2018 Justice Department inspector general report .

    But the feds declined to “comprehensively” analyze those drives due to concerns about individual data caught up in the hack — despite an internal draft memo concluding it was necessary to “assess the national security risks” pertaining to Clinton’s private server use.

    “This document shows an extreme lack of effort and due diligence in the FBI’s investigation of former Secretary Clinton’s email usage and mishandling of highly classified information,” said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) of the appendix.

    The report was penned by then-DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who currently holds the same position at the Federal Reserve Board and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

    It is unclear whether the FBI has since carried out a more thorough probe of the hard drives since the 2018 watchdog report was released.

    “Comey’s decision-making process smacks of political infection.”

    Dismissed intelligence

    Another notable detail in the appendix is that the FBI stumbled upon Russian-language intelligence alleging that then-US Attorney General Loretta Lynch and Comey were interfering in the Clinton email investigation “to help the Democratic and Republican presidential candidates, respectively.”

    The intel also included claims that then-Democratic National Committee chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), had communicated with two individuals who worked at the Soros Open Society Foundations and told them she was confident that the FBI didn’t have evidence against Clinton, because “data was removed from the mail servers just in time.”

    Investigators translated the intelligence documents into English, and officials speculated that the intelligence could have come from a cyber attack at the Atlantic Council, a DC-based international affairs think tank.

    The documents also claimed that Comey, who registered as a Republican prior to 2016, was set on “dragging this investigation until the presidential elections, in order to effectively undermine the chances” for Clinton to win.

    But Peter Strzok — then the FBI deputy assistant counterintelligence director and the lead agent on the investigation — pushed his team to comb through the Russian documents via keyword searches and concluded there were no underlying hacked communications included.

    Comey concluded that the documents weren’t credible, and witnesses told the watchdog that they contained information that was “verifiably false.”

    The former FBI honcho also defended his decision not to inform Lynch before going public with his July 6, 2016,  statement declaring  that the feds wouldn’t pursue criminal charges against Clinton over the email debacle, arguing that he was afraid the announcement would leak.

    Comey’s statement exonerating Clinton  came prior to interviews  with multiple key witnesses related to the probe.
    The FBI later opened its Crossfire Hurricane investigation into President Trump, looking into whether his campaign colluded with the Kremlin to secure the White House in 2016.

    “Today, the Department of Justice honored Chairman Grassley’s request to release information relating to former-FBI Director James Comey’s failed investigation into Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of highly classified information during her tenure as Secretary of State,” Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement.

    “I commend Chairman Grassley for his unwavering, years-long commitment to exposing the truth and holding those who seek to conceal it accountable. This Department of Justice is fully committed to transparency and will continue to support good-faith efforts in Congress to ensure accountability across the federal government.”

    FBI failed to probe key thumb drives in Clinton email probe: DOJ watchdog files


    THOSE ARE THE FACTS AND THEY CAN'T BE ERASED BY SOME SITE>

     

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.3.36  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @12.3.33    6 months ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.37  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.30    6 months ago

By now you should realize the message.

Before posting it would be wise for you to do fact-checking of what you think is reality.   Because in many cases, it seems to me that you are posting an alternate reality.

ChatGPT is one source,  but there are plenty of AI tools out there to cross-reference.   These tools are excellent for gathering from myriad sources, cross-checking, and summarizing.

And if you continue with this absurd notion that ChatGPT, et. al., is bullshit, then at least do conventional fact-checking by using sources other than those that support your particular bias.   That is how you avoid confirmation bias.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.38  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.35    6 months ago

ChatGPT:

Here is the clean way to tear that rebuttal apart without overstating anything:
  • He is mixing up three different questions and pretending they are the same thing:

    1. Did Clinton have classified information on her private system?

    2. Did the FBI/DOJ handle the investigation imperfectly?

    3. Was she therefore “clearly guilty” of a charge prosecutors could prove?
      The first is largely yes, the second is partly yes, and the third is not established . The DOJ inspector general report says prosecutors considered five federal statutes and concluded the evidence did not support prosecution under any of them; the IG then said it found no evidence that the prosecutors’ conclusions were driven by bias or other improper considerations. ( DOJ Inspector General )

  • His strongest point is real, but narrower than he claims:
    Comey did overstep. The inspector general said his July 5, 2016 public statement was inconsistent with DOJ policy, “extraordinary and insubordinate,” and that he “usurped the authority of the Attorney General.” So if the criticism is “Comey should not have acted like he personally controlled charging,” that criticism is strong. But that still does not prove Clinton was “clearly guilty.” It proves Comey handled the public announcement improperly. ( DOJ Inspector General )

  • The rebuttal’s centerpiece claim, “she was clearly guilty,” is exactly where it collapses.
    The IG report says prosecutors reviewed the possible statutes and concluded the case lacked the required proof, especially on intent and on the applicable legal standard for mishandling classified information. The IG specifically said that conclusion was based on the facts, the law, and past DOJ practice, and was not tainted by political bias. So “clearly guilty” is not a fact drawn from the watchdog report. It is his opinion about how the law should have been applied. ( DOJ Inspector General )

  • “She had classified documents on her private server” is true, but legally incomplete.
    Comey said 110 emails in 52 chains were determined by the owning agencies to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. But the same record explains why prosecutors still declined charges: the emails often lacked proper classification markings, the participants were government officials acting in their official roles, and prosecutors concluded the evidence did not show the required intent or equivalent culpable mental state. “Classified was present” does not equal “criminal guilt was obvious.” ( Federal Bureau of Investigation )

  • His “destroyed under subpoena” line is far too strong for what the record actually says.
    Comey said the FBI found no evidence that the additional work-related emails were intentionally deleted to conceal them, and assessed that some emails were periodically deleted or purged when devices changed. He also said it was possible Clinton’s lawyers missed some work-related emails when they sorted them using header information and search terms. That is sloppy and damaging. It is not the same thing as proving intentional destruction to obstruct a subpoena. ( Federal Bureau of Investigation )

  • The 2025 thumb-drive/appendix story does not rescue his conclusion.
    The newly released appendix and the Grassley/Bondi material show there were still valid criticisms of the FBI’s scope choices and investigative thoroughness. The IG had already summarized some of that in 2018: the team preferred consent over compulsory process, did not seek every device, and did not seek access to certain highly classified materials. But the same IG report also says those decisions were discretionary judgments, that compulsory process was in fact used in some areas, and that the watchdog did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that improper considerations or political bias directly affected those investigative decisions. So the appendix may strengthen the case that the investigation was incomplete; it still does not prove Clinton was “clearly guilty.” ( DOJ Inspector General )

  • He quotes partisan commentary as if it were the IG’s legal conclusion.
    Chuck Grassley’s line about “extreme lack of effort” and Pam Bondi’s line about a “failed investigation” are political characterizations. They are not the same thing as the inspector general finding that Clinton was legally chargeable. The actual IG finding was more restrained: Comey’s conduct was improper in important ways, some investigative choices are open to criticism, but the declination decision itself was a prosecutorial judgment the DOJ had authority to make and the IG found no evidence it was driven by bias. ( Chuck Grassley )

  • His complaint that “Comey didn’t have authority to bring or dismiss charges” actually undercuts his own argument.
    Comey himself said, “the FBI is completing its investigation and referring the case to the Department of Justice for a prosecutive decision,” and that “prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate.” Loretta Lynch then publicly said she accepted the unanimous recommendation of the career prosecutors and agents that no charges be brought. So yes, Comey overstepped by staging the press conference, but the actual declination still came from DOJ leadership after briefing by prosecutors and agents. ( Federal Bureau of Investigation )

  • So the rebuttal wins one narrow point and loses the main one.
    Narrow point he can fairly make: Comey acted outside proper bounds and the Clinton email probe had real weaknesses. Main point he cannot fairly make: therefore Clinton was “clearly guilty” and only corruption saved her. The watchdog record does not say that. It says Comey’s public handling was improper, the investigation had contestable choices, and the prosecutors’ no-charge decision was still a lawful discretionary judgment unsupported by evidence of political bias. ( DOJ Inspector General )

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.39  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.35    6 months ago

You do yourself a disservice by ignoring the fact-checking by ChatGPT and pretending that it is some leftwing plot to spread disinformation.

That is incredibly cynical (and wrong).

All sources have some bias.   AI sources, like human source, have some inherent bias.   The bias, however is minor as they draw from extremely large corpora and much work is done to tone down bias (it is in the best interest of the AI provider to do so).

IMO, you are ignoring a valuable resource to stick with sources that feed a confirmation bias.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12.3.40  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.3.18    6 months ago
We saw what Comey did and how the FBI fudged a FISA warrant application to spy on a US citizen and how Comey overstepped his authority to let Hillary walk after Obama's AG had compromised herself by meeting with Bill Clinton.

ChatGPT:

You’re taking two real process criticisms and inflating them into conclusions the inspector general never reached.

That claim bundles one real criticism, one half-truth, and one big exaggeration .

  • FISA / Carter Page: yes, the FBI’s Carter Page FISA process had serious problems. DOJ Inspector General Horowitz found 17 significant errors and omissions in the Page applications, and former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith pleaded guilty to altering an email used in a FISA renewal. But Horowitz also found that the FBI had an authorized purpose to open Crossfire Hurricane and found no documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decision to seek FISA authority on Page . So “the FBI fudged a FISA warrant” is directionally fair as criticism of the application process, but “therefore the Russia probe was a partisan setup” goes beyond what the watchdog found. ( Reuters )

  • “Spy on a U.S. citizen” is loaded wording. Carter Page was a U.S. citizen, and the government did obtain court-approved FISA surveillance on him. The problem is that your speaker uses that fact as if it proves illegitimate spying from the start. The IG’s finding was narrower: the FBI had a lawful basis to open the investigation and seek FISA, but the applications were marred by major mistakes and omissions. That is bad enough on its own; it does not need the extra leap. ( Reuters )

  • On Clinton, Comey did overstep. The 2018 DOJ IG report says Comey’s July 2016 public statement was inconsistent with DOJ policy and that he “usurped the authority of the Attorney General.” That part is a legitimate criticism. Reuters summarized the same report as saying Comey made a “serious error of judgment.” ( DOJ Inspector General )

  • But “Comey let Hillary walk” is still sloppy and self-defeating. If the argument is that Comey didn’t have charging authority , then he could not literally be the person who “let her walk.” Comey himself said the FBI was referring the case to DOJ for a prosecutive decision , and Loretta Lynch later said she would accept the recommendation of the career prosecutors and agents. So the clean criticism is: Comey overstepped in public and muddied the process . The sloppy version is: Comey personally exonerated Clinton . The first is supported; the second is not. ( DOJ Inspector General )

  • The Bill Clinton–Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting absolutely hurt optics. Even Comey said it gave him a “queasy feeling,” and it contributed to his decision to speak publicly. That is a fair point for your opponent to raise. But there is still no official finding that the meeting changed the charging outcome or that Lynch ordered the case buried . The IG report found no evidence the declination decision was driven by political bias, and Reuters reported at the time that the White House said the probe should be driven by facts, not politics. ( Time )

So the strongest honest version is:

  • True: the Carter Page FISA process was badly handled, and Comey overstepped in the Clinton matter. ( Reuters )

  • False or overstated: those facts prove the entire Russia case was fabricated, or that Comey personally “let Hillary walk” after Lynch had “compromised herself.” The watchdog record does not go that far. ( DOJ Inspector General )

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
12.4  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    6 months ago
Once again, he seems confident that a DC jury would never convict him. I have to agree, but at the very least he will again have to pay legal expenses and worry just a little bit, and for that I'm happy.

If it even makes it to trial.  Comey is smart enough to have a competent attorney on retainer.

Unfortunately, it won't be his daughter Maureen, it would be a conflict of interest for her to defend her father against the very government she is suing for improper dismissal from her US Atty position by the retribution executive.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.4.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @12.4    6 months ago
Comey is smart enough to have a competent attorney on retainer.

there's plenty of competent attorneys in the DC area with past DOJ experience available just now ...

 
 
 
RU4Real
Freshman Silent
14  RU4Real    6 months ago

Why not go after the sea shells too?  Obviously they colluded with Comey or whomever placed them in that arrangement.  I mean, they just stayed in their positions while Comey took the photo.  So they must agree with him correct?

And don't get me started about the sand...just letting Comey walk all over it...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
14.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  RU4Real @14    6 months ago

giggle snort

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
14.2  MrFrost  replied to  RU4Real @14    6 months ago

lol well played..

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
15  charger 383    6 months ago

spelling silly stuff with seashells at the seashore should not be taken seriously

 
 

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