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Grand Opening

  
By:  John Russell  •  5 months ago  •  48 comments


Grand Opening
 

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George W Bush and Laura, Bill Clinton and Hillary, Joe Biden and Jill, Kamala Harris and husband, Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsom, Ro Khanna, Tom Hanks, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas,Stevie Wonder, Bruce Springsteen, Bono, John Legend, Christina Aguilera, Common, Jennifer Hudson, Eddie Vedder, Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau, David Letterman , Stephen Colbert, Conan O Brien, Al Sharpton, Oprah Winfrey, Billie Jean King, Dwayne Wade, Quinta Brunson

These are some of the A-list celebrities who attended the opening of the Obama Center and Presidential Library and Museum on the south side of Chicago today. 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    5 months ago

How jealous is Trump?  Words fail. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

There are stories on the web that say he was invited and others that say he wasn't.  LOL, so much for believing what the media tells you.  Was he back from overseas during the opening? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    5 months ago

I dont have any specific knowledge but I would be very surprised if he was invited. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    5 months ago

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JohnRussell
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1.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @1.1.2    5 months ago

LOL. Trump would kill if he could get that kind of guest list. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.4  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    5 months ago

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Dismayed Patriot
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1.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @1.1.4    5 months ago
A bunch of racists and America haters?

They're Americans who are racist haters as in they hate racists and work to undermine the white nationalist white supremacist power structures that conservatives are desperately trying to conserve. So, it's no doubt that some gutter belly scum bag bigot will eventually slither out to attack them, but we'll just have to wait and see.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.6  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.5    5 months ago
white nationalist white supremacist power structures t

That the SPLC paid to be relevant.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    5 months ago
Was he back from overseas during the opening? 

Yes. Now normally the etiquette is that the sitting Potus wouldn't do anything to distract from a prior Potus' big day.

We are not in normal times.

The White House scheduled the awarding of three CMHs , after changing decades old rules.

President Donald Trump presented the Medal of Honor on Thursday to three service members who fought in Vietnam and Afghanistan:   Retired Marine Maj. James Capers Jr. ;   retired Army Maj. Nicholas Dockery;   and   retired Marine Col. John W. Ripley,   who received the award posthumously.

Capers saved his reconnaissance team in South Vietnam following a bloody ambush in April 1967. Dockery’s bravery during a 2012 battle in Afghanistan included using his body to shield another soldier from a grenade blast and stopping the Taliban from capturing another soldier. A legend in the Marine Corps, Ripley spent hours swinging under a bridge in 1972 while under fire to plant explosives and ultimately stop a major North Vietnamese offensive.

Earlier this year, Congress passed laws that authorized Trump to upgrade awards that Capers, Dockery, and Ripley had previously received to the Medal of Honor by waiving a requirement that service members receive the award within five years of the date of the action.

Officers who overcame desperate odds receive Medals of Honor

The scheduling was deliberate and petty IMHO.

In spite of flying back from France after signing the surrender to Iran, Trump look exhausted and Trump did a passable, sing song rendition of what was on the teleprompter

including a few unscripted remarks, like how he, Trump asked for a CMH but they wouldn't give him one, poor boy.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.5    5 months ago
So, it's no doubt that some gutter belly scum bag bigot will eventually slither out to attack them, but we'll just have to wait and see.

?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.7    5 months ago
Trump asked for a CMH

go fight a bloody battle, save a comrade and then maybe we might think about it

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

I had almost forgotten how a real president of all the american people looked, sounded, and acted ...

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.2.1  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.2    5 months ago

If you had tuned into the Medal of Honor celebration at the White House today, you would have seen that. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.2.1    5 months ago

sorry, I don't watch maga media or performance theater for maga vets that disavowed their oath of service by exhibiting loyalty to a felon, traitor, and child molester ...

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.2.3  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.2.2    5 months ago
maga vets that disavowed their oath

examples?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.4  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.2.3    5 months ago

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Mark in Wyoming
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1.2.5  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  bugsy @1.2.3    5 months ago

This might cover some understanding , lets see how this hits .

 Loyalty to country , always .

 Loyalty to government , only if it deserves it . 

 now government could be understood as whoever is running and in charge , the current administration at the time one could say .

 Oh and i cannot claim this as my own , someone else far more famous and older is claimed to have said it , so i count that as good company to keep.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.6  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @1.2.1    5 months ago

As clips of the moment spread across social media, many users focused on Trump's unusual solution to the problem.

The moment unfolded as Trump was presenting the Congressional Medal of Honor, the highest military decoration awarded by the United States, to Dockery. Video from the ceremony showed the president placing the ribbon around the veteran's neck before attempting to secure the clasp at the back.

However, things did not go as planned.

Trump appeared to struggle with fastening the medal...

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Dockery was fine with the Silver Star in 2012.   

He was the only post 911 officer with two Silver Stars for Gallantry.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.2.7  bugsy  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.6    5 months ago

What is your point?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.2.4    5 months ago

that's a shame

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.3.1  Thomas  replied to  devangelical @1.3    5 months ago

Fucking Classic

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago
How jealous is Trump?

How racist are the Obama haters? They're so bitter about having to have had a black President the bitterness comes off their comments like steam off a hot shit on a winter's day. The country will be a much better place without such useless sacks of bitter racist hate, but that will likely still take some time for them to either grow up or die off.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    5 months ago

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bugsy
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2.1  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    5 months ago

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Sean Treacy
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2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @2.1    5 months ago

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Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    5 months ago

They don’t care when Obama is racist and stiffs contractors,  but it’s the end of the world if they think they can attack trump along those lines..

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    5 months ago

Because the contractors that are being stiffed are minorities, they will expect them to keep their mouths shut and be thankful they were able to contribute to the cause.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @3.1    5 months ago
Because the contractors that are being stiffed are minorities

Trump is literally famous for stiffing contractors. Nice try, but you get an A for regurgitating the latest reich wing talking points, (which are lies, as usual).

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.2  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    5 months ago
but you get an A for regurgitating the latest reich wing talking points, (which are lies, as usual).

You (collective you) leftists, for years, claimed that Trump did not pay contractors, but in reality, it was the primary contractors not paying the sub contractors

More than likely, the same scenario is playing out here, but for some reason, you (collective you) leftists are OK with minorities not getting paid, and have been silent on it.

I wonder why that is s/

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    5 months ago
During the Atlantic City casino boom in the 1980s, Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr. landed a $400,000 contract to build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.

The family cabinetry business, founded in the 1940s by Edward’s father, finished its work in 1984 and submitted its final bill to the general contractor for the Trump Organization, the resort’s builder.

Edward’s son, Paul, who was the firm’s accountant, still remembers the amount of that bill more than 30 years later: $83,600. The reason: the money never came. “That began the demise of the Edward J. Friel Company… which has been around since my grandfather,” he said.

Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills
 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    5 months ago

Sorry, Trump was his own GC from the 70's to the 90s and my own familia fell victim to the ridiculous, onerous contracts and micromanagement by the man himself.

Months after all projects were signed off on at the Taj Casino and we were about 80% paid, there was a final walk through were we saw that much of our work had been changed by 3rd party subs hired by Trump, electrical, security.

Trump wanted drywall repaired, repainted, carpet relaced and all of the original ceiling panels replaced with panels from the same lot.  All of those conditions were met and signed off of previously.

No repair, no cash, no profit,  He suggested we sue the other subs. It was typical Trump effect.  Deal with him and get screwed or deal with the NJ Mafia and get dirty.

but for some reason, you (collective you) leftists are OK with minorities not getting paid, and have been silent on it.

You (collective you) Trump supporters were ok for decades that sub contractors weren't getting paid, and you were silent on it, until someone said minorities weren't getting paid by another minority.  Nice try.

Oh and the Taj mahal Casino had to face 100 subs in court, were sued and made the best deal that they could resulting in about a third going under.

How Trump's Taj Mahal Casino Went From '8th Wonder of the World' to Closure After Years of Losses - ABC News

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    5 months ago

Very similar to what happened to my Uncle.  He tried to keep the project small and within the company's limitations.

Trump allowed other people to use our finished offices for staging and set up. damaging walls. carpet, paint and ceilings.

Trump then demanded the spaces go through another walk through and the list of required repairs almost eclipsed the original project.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    5 months ago

Show me where, exactly, "Obama is racist and stiffs contractors"

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Thomas @3.2    5 months ago

Show me where, exactly, "Obama is racist and stiffs contractors"

2 days later and they have nothing. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.2  bugsy  replied to  Thomas @3.2    5 months ago

1. Have no idea where you got anyone said Obama was racist against minority contractors, however, it is well known his absolute hatred towards white people, including his own mother.

But apparently MSDNC and CNN are not telling you what intelligent people have learned. 

From google AI

Short answer: Yes — multiple subcontractors publicly claim they have not been paid in full for work on the Obama Presidential Center, with some saying they are owed millions of dollars. However, the Obama Foundation and the prime contractor dispute the allegations, saying the project is still in “contractual closeout,” meaning some invoices and change orders are still under review. You should confirm details with a trusted source.

🧾 What the reporting shows

1. Subcontractors say they are owed millions

Several firms — including minority‑owned businesses — told reporters they are still waiting on payment for completed work, change orders, or cost overruns.

  • One plumbing contractor says he is owed nearly $4 million.

  • Other firms report losses ranging from hundreds of thousands to tens of millions.

  • At least two subcontractors filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy and listed the Obama Center project in their filings.

These claims appear across Fox News Digital, Yahoo Finance, The Real Deal, and Engineering News‑Record.

2. Some firms say the project environment caused financial strain

Contractors describe:

  • Repeated design changes

  • Rework

  • Scheduling disruptions

  • Long delays in invoice resolution

  • A “wall of silence” when seeking answers

As posted in 3.1.2, you (collective you) leftists were awful vocal when there were claims that Trump was not paying contractors, when it was probably the contractors not paying the subs, but the same scenario is probably playing out, and for some reason...silence.

I wonder why that is s/

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @3.2.2    5 months ago
. Have no idea where you got anyone said Obama was racist against minority contractors,

sean 3.0  3 days ago

They don’t care when Obama is racist and stiffs contractors,  but it’s the end of the world if they think they can attack trump along those lines..

3.1     bugsy     replied to    Sean Treacy   @ 3       3 days ago

Because the contractors that are being stiffed are minorities, they will expect them to keep their mouths shut and be thankful they were able to contribute to the cause.

That's a lot of biases' wrapped up in those two sentences.  /s

but this takes the cake.

however, it is well known his absolute hatred towards white people, including his own mother.

Well know by whom? I hope you are just trolling for reaction and don't actually believe that... 

Whatever.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.2.2    5 months ago
"Subcontractors say"

...

"Some firms say"

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Trout Giggles
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3.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.3    5 months ago

Nice work!

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.6  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.5    5 months ago

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MrFrost
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3.2.7  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @3.2.2    5 months ago
MSDNC

Never heard of it...

I wonder why that is /s

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.3  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    5 months ago

You are such a stooge:

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.4  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    5 months ago
They don’t care when Obama is racist

I'm curious, do you see him as racist because of things he has said and done, (examples would be great), or is it simply because he's black?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.4.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MrFrost @3.4    5 months ago
I'm curious, do you see him as racist because of things he has said and done, (examples would be great), or is it simply because he's black?

In some sad folks eyes, anything anyone does to help black Americans, even if it has nothing to do with their race, is considered racist. But what most really mean is that anything done with race in mind, like giving preferential treatment to a specific historically discriminated against group, is racist.

What they claim to want is a completely neutral society, where there is no rule to give white people any advantage, and it goes without saying that there wouldn't be rules to give minorities an advantage. So, in an 80%+ white Christian society, if they don't feel like selling their house to a black family or hiring Muslim, as long as they don't post "No Blacks" or "No Muslims", then its fine, they can just discriminate all they want without feeling the least bit guilty.

The whole idea behind 'affirmative action' was that they recognized that back in the 1960's when the civil rights act and voting rights acts were signed, it would take more than just 'inaction', more than just not posting 'whites only' signs anymore if the facilities that had those signs still showed hostility to anyone not fitting their old signs description. So, while they have to accept that affirmative action, by basing any metric on race, makes it technically 'racist', the fact is INACTION can be FAR more racist than affirmative action. And that's what conservatives today want in American society, to essentially go back to a silent supposedly 'separate but equal' society, where minorities live on the fringes and stay quiet and don't try to be seen and heard too much, then we can all live in peace.

It's why any attempt to call them out for their racism is met by them accusing those, who are simply trying to create space for minorities, of racism. Their claim is that setting aside even ONE seat in a college or position at a company for a VERY QUALIFIED (racists like to assume that all white candidates would have been better for any position and that any minority taking advantage of affirmative action must unqualified) person from a group that is historically "overlooked" by white employers and college admissions. That is what they claim is really racist. It's not the huge disparities that exist in society specifically because of the history and legacy of slavery, segregation and discrimination in our country.

It almost feels like white conservative Christians think they have "settled" out of court with black Americans and now that they agreed not to be openly racist anymore, the deal is that no one is supposed to talk about it anymore. And what did black Americans get for what they and their ancestors went through in the settlement? One black President and letting OJ get away with murder. After that it's now apparently even-stevens and as long as they don't write it down or get caught on tape being openly racist then they can create their white Christian havens and gerrymander their districts to try and make sure they never have a black legislator representing them and restrict voting on days when black Americans tend to vote and require ID that black Americans are less likely to have in order to vote. And they look the rest of the country in the face and say "We're not the racist ones. You're the racists" which sadly proves the white supremacists are learning. The next time they try and take over the world they'll be less overt and hide behind a cross instead of a swastika to take out what they see as their cultural and ideological inferiors.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.4.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.4.1    5 months ago
like giving preferential treatment to a specific historically discriminated against group, is racist.

Race discrimination is racist. The US Government has now been systematically  discriminating against white people for about 50 years. By that logic, you would favor preferential treatment for whites. 

So, in an 80%+ white Christian society, 

So you start off with a completely fake claim to justify racism. The actual number is less than half that. Again, if your position was  based on logic rather than racism, you'd be arguing that "White Christians" as a minority with a history of being discriminated against,  deserve government enforced preferential treatment.

hey don't feel like selling their house to a black family or hiring Muslim, as long as they don't post "No Blacks" or "No Muslims", then its fine, 

And after making up facts to justify your dedication to systematic racism by the government, you then make up a strawman to caricaturize the position of those who actually oppose race discrimination. Bravo!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.4.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.4.2    5 months ago
if your position was based on logic rather than racism, you'd be arguing that "White Christians" as a minority with a history of being discriminated against, deserve government enforced preferential treatment.

Why would I argue that when it's total bullshit. Claiming that "t he US Government has now been systematically discriminating against white people for about 50 years" would be completely ignoring the reality of a society built around white Christian privilege. [ deleted ] [ ✘ ] think that the supposed "discrimination" against them was somehow greater or worse than the 200 fucking years of blatant white supremacy that the US government condoned.

So you start off with a completely fake claim to justify racism.

"In the 1960s, it is estimated that over 90% of the American population identified as both white and Christian. During that era, the U.S. was overwhelmingly dominated by white Protestants and white Catholics. [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 ]"

you then make up a strawman to caricaturize the position of those who actually oppose race discrimination. Bravo!

Hilarious that you actually think white nationalists and other massive bigots are the ones "who actually oppose race [ discrimination".deleted ][ ✘ ]

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.4.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.4.3    5 months ago

Only total dumb fuck white bigots believe such horse shit or think that the supposed "discrimination" against them was somehow greater or worse than the 200 fucking years of blatant white supremacy that the US government condoned.

Only total dumb fuck white bigots make up straw men arguments to justify their ongoing demand for the government to discriminate on the basis of race.

 the 1960s, it is estimated that over 90% of the American population identified as both white and Christian

Do you believe it's still  the 1960's?.  I'm trying to get a baseline on your grasp of reality. You are making up facts, arguing claims nobody made and apparently think its still the 1960s..

Bizarre. 

 It's a viewpoint that can only come from deep within a racist's asshole lookout out from their own balloon knot.

Your arguments against imaginary claims are becoming increasingly delusional and unhinged. Do you believe you are actually responding to the arguments being made at this point?  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.4.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.4.4    5 months ago
Do you believe it's still the 1960's?

I was, in my earlier comment, defending the creation of affirmative action programs which started occurring in the 1960's which is why I used that time period. Today 72.1% of American's identify as white while thankfully many of them have woken up to reality and now only 41% identify as 'white Christians'.

2024 PRRI Census of American Religion - PRRI

Your arguments against imaginary claims are becoming increasingly delusional and unhinged.

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That's hilarious coming from an ardent defender of Donald Trump which obviously requires being well past delusional and a way beyond unhinged.

Do you believe you are actually responding to the arguments being made at this point?

I was responding to someone else's comment pointing out the fact that white nationalists and white supremacists see anything done to help a minority in America as racist against them. And while they may pretend to support equality, they only support a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy where the first rule of 'White Club' is you don't talk about 'White Club'.

 
 

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