Their country right or wrong ? 

Their country right or wrong? 

As I've pointed out before, there are delightful, aware, diverse, kind, humble and welcoming Christians, Jews and Muslims. There are also, among those large, generalized groups, religious subsets that include radicalized Muslims, Zionist Christians, Zionist Jews & radicalized ultra-Orthodox Jews. It's these subsets that are the real issue, and Huckabee's one of them who pushes this whole "We must support the Jews so they can be where they need to be for the prophecy of Christs return to occur!" bullshit. And it's not that I don't want to support the nation of Israel as a western democracy and global ally, but not for some religious reason which would immunize them to any criticism.

Personally, I think the world's biggest problem right now is the mobilization of these subsets within the three big religions. And the rest of us, who simply want them all to stop fighting are having a hard time taking anyone's side since they're all being such whiny little cunts with their self-proclaimed self-righteous usurpation of Gods will each claiming it for themselves. And it's the same fucking God they all worship, the supposed ancient God of Abraham. How many of the world's problems would halt if they just stopped shooting at each other? I'm not saying they're every problem, but they're a lot of the fucking problem.

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Huckabee sees and senses Americans support for Israel, on the whole, diminishing a little, and he is trying to play Sampson and hold up the crumbling pillar. 

I have nothing whatsoever against Israel, I think the world needs a Jewish state, given the horrible and continuing history of irrational anti-semitism .  Jews are just like any other ethnic group or religious group, no more and no less. But they have never been treated that way, for many hundreds of years they have been mistreated or held in senseless suspicion by other groups.  However, the current government in Israel has gone too far, particularly in Gaza but also it seems in Lebanon. 

If America owes its existence to any other country, it is obviously England.  The founding fathers and movers and shakers of the revolutionary era in America were overwhelmingly British. 

Huckabee sees and senses Americans support for Israel, on the whole, diminishing a little, and he is trying to play Sampson and hold up the crumbling pillar. 

Well, the first thing the Zionists did when a large portion of Americans refused to go along with the indiscriminate bombing of Palestinian civilians was accuse them of being antisemites. All of a sudden, a bunch of people who are simply against genocide found themselves accused of antisemitism and being called 'Nazi's' by the lying deceitful sack of shit Christian conservative Zionists. Religious zealots only 'moral' is to fulfill what they see as their religious mission, so any ends justify the means.

Jews are just like any other ethnic group or religious group, no more and no less.

Agreed. I think of them as a close western democracy ally and financial partner.

But they have never been treated that way, for many hundreds of years they have been mistreated or held in senseless suspicion by other groups.

Careful now, rightwing conservatives might think you're suggesting reparations or something. Remember, we're not supposed to treat anyone ANY different just because their ancestors went through something horrible and caused generational trauma and a loss of generational wealth. That wouldn't be fair to those who didn't have such hardships. /s

If America owes its existence to any other country, it is obviously England.

I think England was certainly an integral part, but we would not be who we are today without many different country's contributions, as well as the native people from who we "acquired" this land. What some Americans apparently desire is some vision of an even further back empire, that of Rome. I think it's pretty clear that MAGAites see themselves as the new Rome with their Ceasar Trump upon the throne and the sun never setting on their white conservative Christian empire. And to realize that dream they believe they need to ensure Israels survival, at least until Armageddon comes, then they believe their Christ will wipe out any Jews who don't accept Christ as their savior. So, it's not that they care about the Jews, they only care about themselves and the Jews are just a tool they plan to use to achieve their goals.

agreed, thumpers think that killing jews are their exclusive right, and they're only keeping them around until armageddon ...

vaporize jerusalem and mecca and 4.5 billion morons will be standing around wondering what just happened to their religious fairy tale.

If America owes its existence to any other country, it is obviously England.  The founding fathers and movers and shakers of the revolutionary era in America were overwhelmingly British. 

And belonged to the Church of England, a poor Protestant copy of the Roman Catholic Church that defied a Pope over a Regal Divorce.

The Pope excommunicated the whole country.

England seized all Roman Catholic Church property and told the Pontif to "shove off".

The Church of England was subject to the whims of Henry VIII.

Not very Godly.

Judea/Israel did not exist from roughly 135BCE to 1882 when the talks centered on making Palestine a Jewish refuge.

They were on a break for almost exactly 2000 years and it wasn't until the UN & UK arbitrarily created Israel after WWII.

So how can Israel be responsible for the creation of the US?

Christian zealots are worse than Zionists

it makes sense that because xtianity and republicanism are so intertwined, that both begin the death cycle simultaneously. 

He also defended Josh Duggar after is was discovered that he had molested his young sisters. 

He also defended Josh Duggar after it was discovered that he had molested his young sisters. 

Remember, sexual deviancy is clearly negotiable in the bible. And there's nothing rightwing conservative Christians love more than a redeemed sinner! Though one does have to wonder if they actually know what the word 'redeemed' means...

Remember, sexual deviancy is clearly negotiable in the bible.

xtian incest and pedophilia is documented in the bible. child molesters are forgiven by maga thumpers, democrats aren't ...

democrats aren't ...

It's all about who is willing to kneel before their new Lord. If you're willing to get on your knees before the pedo-in-chief like the MAGAites do, then you're allowed enormous latitude when it comes to sexual perversion. They are the 'Grab 'em by the pussy!' party so Huckabee and Duggar fit right in.

Did they not teach any kind of history at that Baptist seminary he attended???? The US has existed for 250 years...Israel less than a 100.

Shouldn't he be wearing a yarmulke at the Wailing Wall as a sign of respect?

The US has existed for 250 years...Israel less than a 100.

We're talking about lunatic religious zealots here. They believe in completely ignoring the thousand years or more of the people living in those lands before the Israelite God apparently "promised" it to its followers and the followers went in and killed and enslaved the residents. So, they only recognize that region from around 1273 BCE to 63 AD when Jerusalem fell to Rome and took complete control. From 63 AD until May 14, 1948, so a little over 1800 years, that region apparently didn't exist and no one lived there. /s

I'm pretty sure he is referring to the belief that Christianity is based on the Old Testament , and the belief that western civilization is based on Judeo-Christian principles. 

He's still an idiot

Shouldn't he be wearing a yarmulke at the Wailing Wall as a sign of respect?

he's lucky he had security there with him ...

Evangelicals, Southern Baptists - and similarly situated churches - have this weird obsession with Israel. They don't want anyone who isn't Jewish or Christian (and preferably white) anywhere near their precious "Holy Land."

So, they support every anti-Palestinian thing that the government of Israel does. And then, to make this an urgent issue for America (it really shouldn't be), they invented this fantasy that our country was somehow founded on "Judeo-Christian principles" - whatever the fuck that means. Truth is, they have no idea what it could really mean. It's just a mantra they keep repeating.

abrahamic religious extremists are a pox on humanity ...

Almost all "religions" are a detriment to humanity.

I like the rare benign ones that stay the fuck out of politics and needn't worry about keeping their tax exempt status ...

I like the rare benign ones that stay the fuck out of politics

I would definitely agree that my favorite religions are the ones I've never heard of. If you want to find religion, there are soooo many of them and soooo many ways to seek them out if you want it. However, I despise the religions that think it's their duty to come find you or believe they're saving you by voting to ban things for everyone based on their personal faith.

religions that have extra rules, dictate menus, enforce dress codes, set attendance schedules, ask for money, or feature membership rates, are total bullshit. but if attending one gives a person that needs a constant and regular reminder on how to function as a normal human being with a positive outlook and approach towards life and that change transpires, have at it, you're a rarity. I have my own religion, because in this country you can, and it's as valid as any other religion out there. probably just as hypocritical and fucked up too ...

but if attending one gives a person that needs a constant and regular reminder on how to function as a normal human being with a positive outlook and approach towards life and that change transpires, have at it

I have no problem with a religion if it's helping to keep pedophiles, rapists and murders from raping and killing, as many say they can't me moral without their God. I just have a problem when they start using their faith to not only murder but justify mass murder and genocide. But like I said, I have no problem with religions existing, but religion should be about 'memberships, dress codes, schedules and asking for money'.

That's why I believe you should be able to seek out any number of faiths if you're seeking knowledge about it, just like you can find a plethora of groups that are into knitting and have knitting circles. But have you ever had a knitting circle member knock on your door Saturday morning to try and get you to come down and join them? Or thousands of forums and social media groups that scream and yell about all the non-knitters and how they're all going to 'get what they deserve' by being tortured for eternity after death because they ignored and never attended the local knitting circle? Are there three different knitting groups who each eagerly await some prophesied battle for supremacy between the different knitting groups?

There are many religions that don't proselytize and don't teach that everyone else has to die for their prophecy to come true. I think if a person needs religion to keep them from doing harmful things to themselves or others, then pick one of those religions, go be a Bahai or something. But the last thing anyone with any sense would want to do is join one of the big three that are already at each other's throats.

the big 3 religions are simply ponzi schemes for hypocrites that think they can buy salvation ...

the big 3 religions are simply ponzi schemes for hypocrites that think they can buy salvation

When you think about it, they all have very similar marketing, so the results are predictable.

What does every marketer try to do?

First, exposure! You have to get your name out there.

"XYZ Religion here! Did you know you have an immortal soul? You don't want to lose it do you? Well come see XYZ on Sunday! It's free**!" **first time free, don't worry, we'll get you on the comeback...

Second, get your buyers excited about the product!

"Eternity in heaven anyone? Yeah, you thought that massage chair at the mall was nice, but you aint seen nothin yet! Clouds, harps, serenity, you can have it all!"

Third, make the buyers feel like it's a limited time offer and they have to buy now!

"Armageddon is right around the corner! Save your soul now! We're going fast!"

Fourth, sit back and rake in the money...

It's been working for centuries, and the only downside has been the "occasional holy war" with millions of dead civilians all because the gullible buyers got a little 'too' excited, but the marketers won't ever complain or stop them. No, they lean in and figure out how they can make maximum profit off their believers zealotry.

hey invented this fantasy that our country was somehow founded on "Judeo-Christian principles" - whatever the fuck that means.

You don't know what that means?

It's the fish who doesn't know what water is meme come to life.

You don't know what that means?

Neither do you. That’s the point. You know that, but you’ll never admit it - not even to yourself.

I've noticed a kind of colour of hatred in the manner that some members of NT use the words "zionism" and "zionist".  Iran has been successful in brainwashing them by using the expression "The zionist regime" and calling it the "Little Satan", and chanting "Death to Israel", no different from their calling America the "Big Satan" and chanting "Death to America",  Here is the Merriam-Webster definition of "zionism":

If you bomb a location (Gaza) for three years you are going to kill children whether you "want to" or not. 

location (Gaza) for three years you are going to kill children whether you "want to" or not. 

Right. Think how many German and Japenese children we killed with much, much more indiscriminate bombing than Israel employed. 

Was that a crime against humanity?

The lowest estimate of deaths in WW2 is 50 million. Some say 80 million. Nothing can be compared to the actions countries took in WW2.. 

Well, of course I don't expect much support for my take on the topic, but maybe I should at least have added that I am NOT a supporter of Netanyahu, I do believe he has been manipulating the war to delay his legal problems coming to a head.  My favourite Israeli Prime Minister was Golda Meir, who said somethiing like 'if the Palestinians would put down their weapons there were be peace, but if the Israelis put down their weapons there would be no Israel.'

"The lowest estimate of deaths in WW2 is 50 million. Some say 80 million. Nothing can be compared to the actions countries took in WW2.." 

Oh, you mean the allies DIDN'T drop leaflets from the sky, make phone calls and send emails telling civilians to leave where they were going to bomb?  

Do actually believe that the circumstances of World War 2 are comparable to the war in gaza ? 

There is a BIG difference in the attitude of the world's public villifying the nation that has had to defend itself since its creation.  I wonder why the attitude towards Israel seems to be so different from other nations that have been forced to defend themselves from constantly being attacked by surrounding nations and terrorists.  Can you think of a reason why it's different?  

I wonder why the attitude towards Israel seems to be so different from other nations that have been forced to defend themselves from constantly being attacked by surrounding nations and terrorists.  Can you think of a reason why it's different?

I support Israel's right to exist. I support Israels right to defend themselves. I do not support indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas whether in Ukraine, Russia, Israel or the Gaza strip. Do I understand that the terrorists are hiding among the populace? Of course, and Israel absolutely has the right to go in and take out those terrorists even though that puts Israel's soldiers at risk. But what I cannot and will not support is bombing civilian areas even if you know that there are terrorists there who are hiding among the civilian population, killing thousands of women and children, just to get at them, creating more sorrow and more hate, a never-ending cycle of supposed justified retribution. And I feel the same in protection of the Israeli people; they should not have to be afraid of a suicide bomber or a missile being fired in from next door.

Frankly, I don't know how to solve the problem in Israel. I think the whole situation is beyond stupid. So much pain, so much death and suffering over ancient blood feuds with religious zealots on either side fanning the flames towards each prospective prophecy. Will that battle, just some sort of all out destruction of one or the other have to take place for there to be peace? I certainly hope not. All I know is I can't support the bombing of women and children regardless of what country they're in.

Even though Hamas has forced Israel to do what has to be done to eradicate that enemy, if Israel stands back then it leaves it open for those declared terrorists to continue doing what it has been doing, has actually threatend to do Oct 7s over and over again while the IDF carries out your wishes and stands back and allows Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthies and Iran to eventually decimate the population of Israel.   So is it really more important to you that the terrorists win and the defenders lose?

We will repeat the October 7 attack time and again until Israel is annihilated, says Hamas official Ghazi Hamad

Hamas official Ghazi Hamad warned more attacks are on the way.  Picture: Social meda/Video screengrab

LINK ->  We will repeat the October 7 attack time and again until Israel is annihilated, says Hamas official Ghazi Hamad | LBC

And so, as we have seen, there are NT members who would prefer to see Israel annihilated than civilian casualties of war, casualties that are greater only because of Hamas hiding themselves among the civilians and using them as human shields, - hiding themselves, their weapons and their control centres in and under hospitals, mosques, schools, refugee camps and UNRWA facilities, and use ambulances and UNRWA vehicles for transport with the cooperation of UNRWA,  

I just experienced up close and personal another NYC election where AIPAC'S nasty and dishonest political tactics have backfired badly on Israel and Judiasm. Falsely equating any and all criticism of Israel with antisemitism has failed, again. Israel needs to fire AIPAC and get a new PR arm. Even Jewish voters are turned off by AIPAC'S dishonest and unfair tactics. AIPAC'S false, unfair, ugly, lame and misleading negative advertising reinforced every bad stereotype of ISRAEL and JEWS. Also, with friends like Huckabuck and AIPAC, who needs enemies 

Of course not all criticism of Israel is antisemitic - there are some things there that I have criticized myself.  Can you post a source for the accusations you make in your comment, such as "AIPAC'S nasty and dishonest political tactics" one that I can open because you are probably aware that I'm subject to certain limitations because of where I live. 

Most American Jews oppose AIPAC spending in Democratic primaries, survey finds – The Forward forward

This article speaks for me.  I completely agree with the Union for Reform Judaism.

URJ Statement on AIPAC, Campaign Rhetoric, and Antisemitism | Union for Reform Judaism

And so, as we have seen, there are NT members who would prefer to see Israel annihilated

That's simply not true Buzz. You may have yourself worked up emotionally over this, but you aren't telling the truth. I completely understand that you think Ghazi Hamad or any Palestinian terrorist that they speak for all Palestinians. I believe that as much as I believe Bibi speaks for all Israeli's.

So, while some here love to lie about those on the left calling them antisemites, the reality is they simply want to see a little restraint when going after terrorists in and among a civilian population. The US tried to do so in Iraq, and it did make the mission more difficult to try their best at not hitting civilian targets. Is that so hard to ask for here? They claim the IDF is so great at limiting civilian casualties, but the numbers bely that claim.

If some want to keep lying about those on the left and keep making up bullshit claims and calling them antisemites for simply being against genocide, then I have nothing further to say such miserable sacks of ignorance.

then I have nothing further to say such miserable sacks of ignorance.

that's why I don't pay attention to him anymore

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Was that a crime against humanity?

Please don't give them any ideas

Full slate?

It was three

Rookie wins compared to Trump's primary record

Can you think of a reason why it's different?  

A; The British were involved and acted arbitrarily.

B; the British were involved and acted without honour.

C; the UN was involved, reluctantly and was generally toothless and lukewarm about protecting a "man made" country to solve a refugee "problem".

D; it just invites anti-semitism, dropping millions of Jews into the center of what, 6 or 7 Muslim nations sworn from birth to kill Jews and infidels on sight?

E; The location was an emotional choice in the worst possible location for a religious state diametrically opposed by 230 million Muslim neighbors.

Thanks, England, UN, US. ( who turned away refugees routinely and famously the USS ST Louis ) 

Yes, and as a Canadian I'm ashamed to say that Canada's Prime Minister at the end of the war, McKenzie King, when asked how many Jewish refugees would he accept, his reply became a title of a book about the refugee policy, "None is too many."

LINK ->   None Is Too Many - University of Toronto Press

Crazy Eyes Huckabee at the Wailing Wall with a piece of trump's reflecting Pool sealant he snuck out of the Capital and the country.

Vandal!

if trump had let the algae go for a few more weeks, thumper mike could've walked across the pool ...