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"The Commies Are Coming!" Is All They Got

  
By:  John Russell  •  3 months ago  •  85 comments


"The Commies Are Coming!"  Is All They Got
So what do you do if you are a conservative ?  You yell "commie" this "commie" that and hope it stirs the pot enough to give you a chance in November. 

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Prices have not come down, mortgage rates are going up, the economy is stagnant, we are in a futile war in the middle east, the price of gas is high , and the president is completely corrupt not to mention nuts. 

So what do you do if you are a conservative ?  You yell "commie" this "commie" that and hope it stirs the pot enough to give you a chance in November. 

Its hard to find a right wing media show these days that is not frothing with disgust at how commies are everywhere you look.  Trump himself used the word "communist" 85 times during a recent two week period.  I guess thats better for him than talking about the war, the economy, his blatant financial corruption, the constant weather disasters, and his failed 250 celebrations. 

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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    3 months ago

What they are attempting to do is so obvious. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

better a socialist than neo-nazi pedophile enablers ...

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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1.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

Back in Medieval Times, rulers had several tools to remove those who were designated as CRIMINALS:

The GULOTINE

The HANGMAN'S ROPE

The FOUR HORSE STRETCH

The BOIL HOT TAR and, of course, the DUNGEON

Why can't we have these tools readily available? That seems so unfair!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

The commies murdered 100 million people in a century.  Imagine thinking that’s no big deal and we should just turn the country over to them.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 months ago

Imagine you hallucinating and making things up about the current state of affairs in America. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 months ago

I'm old enough to remember progressives claiming messages hid in "Nazi stages" were signs of some imminent takeover of the country by secret Nazis. That, of course, was in the old days before progressives decided the Nazi hatred for capitalism and Jews made them acceptable fellow travelers. Now days, candidates  an openly brand themselves with SS symbols and progressives will go to war for them. 

There's nothing secret about your party's love affair with communists. You don't have to look stage designs and imagine seeing secret messages of alliance with the Communists. Democrats happily elect open supporters of communism and are in the process of turning their party over to them.

 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    3 months ago
process of turning their party over to them.

Proof or is that what your masters have told you to say?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.2    3 months ago

it's in their daily talking points memo

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 months ago
"Imagine you hallucinating and making things up about the current state of affairs in America."

LOL.  Not just in America.  Notwithstanding the exaggerated historical numbers and twisted cause already corrected by me elsewhere on this site including long ago history that is totally different today his comments continue to be fabrications of actual reality when it comes to the present China.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.4    3 months ago
site including long ago history that

Within living memory the CCP murdered 10 of millions of its own citizens in a famine, murdered and imprisoned millions more as part of a "cultural revolution", machine gunned thousands of peaceful protesters at Tiananmen Square, forced women to have abortions and outlawed having kids, built concentration camps where they violated every right known to mankind to in order to imprison religious dissenters, banned criticism of the government etc....

but hey, despite all those millions killed and the loss of all basic human rights, people aren't as poor there because the government allowed some capitalism. 

Yeah communism!  Germans were better off financially under the Nazis too, until the war went south.  I guess some people would claim that justifies all they did too.

Communist apologists are no better than Nazi apologists. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.5    3 months ago

I don't apologize for the wrongs that the Chinese government has done, but I do point out when what they have done has been misconstrued or exaggerated as your comments have consistently done, notwithstanding being corrected.  Your comments never admit that the CPC has done some good things as well, such as pulling 800 million people out of abject poverty so that they have a proper roof over their head, free training and guidance to enable them to make a living, good food on the table, decent healthcare and free education for their kids up to high school graduation.  By the way, why don't your comments ever indicate hatred of the present German government as much as they indicate hatred of the present Chinese government?  Both have done some awful things in the past.  And the Japanese, who pulled off a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, did the Rape of Nanjing and Unit 731, why not them?  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.6    3 months ago

By the way, why don't your comments ever indicate hatred of the present German government as much as they indicate hatred of the present Chinese government

The current German government does not call itself Nazi a Nazi government and is not made up of Nazis.  If China did not have a communist government I’d support it as happily as I do Japan, another country with monstrous deeds in the past that has reformed and become a model.

if the current German government was still a Nazi government,  you would not find me on here saying “the holocaust was ancient history, look at all the good the Nazis have done for the people the they didn’t murderer”

I came across this and it seemed a timely reminder of what happens when communists achieve power.  Now many people lack actual empathy and don’t really care about what happened to others so long as they weren’t victimized, but for those who do:

They smashed babies against trees and murdered nearly 2 million Cambodians in under 4 years chasing a pure agrarian communist utopia with no cities, no money, and no private property.

On April 17 1975, the Khmer Rouge rolled into Phnom Penh and within hours emptied the entire city, marching hospital patients and the elderly into the countryside on foot as they declared Year Zero and set out to erase every trace of the old society.

Anyone tied to the past became a target and wearing glasses alone could get you killed because it proved you could read, while doctors, teachers, engineers, and monks were executed as enemies of the revolution.

They turned a high school into a prison where roughly 20,000 people were tortured into confessing crimes that never happened, after which they were trucked to mass graves in the killing fields where executioners smashed infants against the killing tree to save bullets

all of this happened during the lifetimes of most on this board..

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 months ago

Bill has it right.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.7    3 months ago

The Khmer Rouge were Vietnamese - what has that got to do with China?  In another month I will have lived in China for 20 years, and during that time I've come to know a lot of Communists - government officials, police, doctors, teachers, a judge, bankers, restaurant owners, storekeepers, farmers, students and plain ordinary people and NO one has been the kind of evil your comments make of them. There are good and bad people in every country, including yours. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.9    3 months ago

They were communist but similar things did happein china.  The article is about communism. 

I've come to know a lot of Communists - government officials, police, doctors, teachers, a judge, bankers, restaurant owners, storekeepers, farmers, students and plain ordinary people and NO one has been the kind of evil your comments make of them

you have zero idea what the people you know  who are old enough actually did during the cultural revolution. 

 are good and bad people in every country, including yours. 

Get that strawman.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.11  Hallux  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.9    3 months ago
In another month I will have lived in China for 20 years, and during that time I've come to know a lot of Communists - government officials, police, doctors, teachers, a judge, bankers, restaurant owners, storekeepers, farmers, students and plain ordinary people

In another month I will have lived in that bastion of western communism known as Canada for 69 years and have only met one.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.10    3 months ago
"you have zero idea what the people you know  who are old enough actually did during the cultural revolution. "

Maybe because I believe in innocence until proven guilty I give people the benefit of the doubt.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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2.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 months ago

The COMMIE is "Dirty Diaper Donnie", who takes his advice and instruction from one of the leading COMMUNIST DICTATORS, PUTIN.

PUTIN is not a Democrat.

He is a murdering COMMIE!

Donnie has his own NEO-NAZI MURDERERS, "ICE," who are killing Americans, labeling everyone who opposes these J6 Rioters Club as "COMMIES", because they, too, are Trump's COMICS! 

Are you a COMMIE, or a COMIC BOOK?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

Socialists (who advocate Communist agendas) are popping up in blue state and even purple state elections like crab grass all over the country!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 months ago
Socialists (who advocate Communist agendas) are popping up in blue state and even purple state elections like crab grass all over the country!

The only viable counter to that is to defend Federalism.  Calling everyone and their comrade 'Communist' is NOT defending Federalism.  Republicans are trying to sit on their wallets to make the argument about private property and defending the wealthy.

Republicans simply cannot gin up enough courage to defend America.  They're too corrupted by a fiat currency that is losing value every day.  Republicans (and old Southern Democrats) are fighting another Lost Cause simply because they think money is more important than anything.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 months ago

pedophile enablers are popping up in republican red state primaries like incestuous goobers at a church picnic in the south ...

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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3.3  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 months ago

VIC:

No offence, but I think you have COMMIE mixed up with COMIC BOOKS. It's a natural mistake if one is a Trump loyalist.

Donnie, aka "DIRTY DIAPER DONNIE," calls everyone who disagrees with him COMMIE, whether they are or not.

It's similar to reasonable adults who call Donnie a CHILD RAPIST!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4  Nerm_L    3 months ago

Republicans have many, many dead horses they can whip.  The 'commie' horse is an odd one since Boomers are the only ones who can truly appreciate it.  GenX might wax nostalgic over Reagan's 'evil empire' prose.  But Millennials won't ride the 'commie' horse.

Republicans are ceding young voters (and the future) to the Democratic Party.  Evening Turning Point USA youngsters won't understand the 'commie' dead horse. 

Republicans simply cannot bring themselves to deliver a full-throated defense for Federalism.  Republicans want to limit the argument to private property (and protecting the wealthy).  So, Republicans can only try to beat life into the dead horse of 'communism'.  That's not only stupid, it's pathetic.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @4    3 months ago

The most popular entitlement in the world is Social Security. It only survives because of the US version of free enterprise.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    3 months ago

Now you want to get rid of social security? Why not back up the money truck to the white house door and let the trumps of the world take everything.

Social Security is the main plank of the social safety net, and (the success of) capitalism is required to provide it. 

You are worried about communism?  Before FDR's New Deal communism was poised to make big inroads in America.  Social Security played a big part in tamping that down. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    3 months ago
The most popular entitlement in the world is Social Security. It only survives because of the US version of free enterprise.

Free enterprise did not create and sustain Social Security.  That's a lie told by grifters, grafters, and un-American money grubbers.

Social Security was created and sustained by independent labor who was protected by Constitutional rights and the checks & balances of Federalism.  Fat cat bankers want the money in the trust fund.  Politicians of all stripes want the money in the trust fund.  The champions of 'free enterprise' complain about the money being taken away from them.  All the rich basturds think they're the Anthony Fauci of finance who know what's best for the mindless peons.

Free enterprise, according to post industrial capitalism, is an enemy of Social Security.  Republicans are certainly not using the 'commie' label to protect and defend Social Security.  Republicans are defending the right of nobility to raid, plunder, and steal from Social Security.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    3 months ago
The most popular entitlement in the world is Social Security.

Do you pay for social security? Yes. Do you pay for your house? Yes. Do you pay for your car? Yes. 

Are you saying that your house and car are entitlements the government can take from you at will?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 months ago

I want to save it.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.1.5  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.4    3 months ago

No doubt by privatizing it and turning it over to Wall Street speculators.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.5    3 months ago

More like returning it to its original framework.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.3    3 months ago
Do you pay for social security? Yes.

How do you know I'm not a postal worker?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.2    3 months ago
Social Security was created and sustained by independent labor who was protected by Constitutional rights and the checks & balances of Federalism.

What?

It was a program that was supposed to be self-sustaining.  It no longer is.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.9  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    3 months ago
What?  It was a program that was supposed to be self-sustaining.  It no longer is.

Social Security did not debase our currency or try to inflate away the government debt.  The Free Enterprise boondoggle has made more than just Social Security unsustainable.

Free Enterprise made most of American industry unsustainable so we've lost the ability to manufacture for ourselves.  And we're still losing our industrial base.  The Rust Belt was caused by Free Enterprise; not Social Security.  Free Enterprise destroyed our resilient vertical integration to scrape one-time profit off JIT and unsustainable supply chains. Has Free Enterprise built more than it has destroyed?  

Social Security is not why the US can't build bombs fast enough to sustain a prolonged war.  Social Security did not force our military to rely on salvage yards for parts and replacements.  Social Security is not responsible for $100,000 consumer vehicles, $30 steaks, or 75 year old houses costing $1 million.  Social Security is not responsible for persistent 4% inflation.  Free Enterprise has sucked the life blood out of the country and demands even more.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.1.10  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    3 months ago

What does that mean?  It's working now exactly as it was originally intended, as a form of social insurance helping older workers replace a portion of their pre-retirement earnings once they reach retirement age, providing payments to workers who become severely disabled and can no longer work, and providing financial support to the families and dependents of workers who died.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.10    3 months ago

Perfect, until it runs out of money in the next decade because the government is in charge of it..

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.1.12  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.1.11    3 months ago
until it runs out of money im the next decade...

because the Republican government is in charge of it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.12    3 months ago

Good luck trying to get people to buy into that bucket of shit.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.1.14  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.1.13    3 months ago

Since you think Social Security is a bucket of shit you are free to decline to receive payments.  Americans understand that right wingers hate Social Security and want to see it fail.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.14    3 months ago
Since you think Social Security is a bucket of shit

It is cute that you seem to believe what I think

  Americans understand that

It is cute that you seem to believe what Americans want

right wingers hate Social Security and want to see it fail.

It is cute that you seem to believe you know what right wingers want

and what they want to fail.

It is cute that you seem to believe you know what right wingers want to fail

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.1.16  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.1.15    3 months ago

It's ugly that your comments on here are a bunch of reactionary propaganda and drivel.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.17  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.10    3 months ago

Providing?

What about the self-sustaining part?

Explain why those who never paid into it, like Postal workers (who have a generous pension plan) were recently allowed to draw from Social Security.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.18  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.16    3 months ago

Truth hurts sometimes.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.17    3 months ago
What about the self-sustaining part?

Poor management by the irresponsible people we continue to place in charge of legislation and governance.   Neither party gets excused from this.   Both D and R voters have failed to hold politicians accountable and look at the financial situation of the US government today.

And, by the way, note that almost $11T of the national debt was added under Trump, and he still has more than two years left.   Does that not bother your fiscal conservative principles?   It bothers me greatly, so am I more fiscally conservative than you?

And don't deflect to Biden and Obama and Bush.   I recognize that the debt rose hugely under them too.   But you do not constantly defend them; you constantly defend Trump.   And you argue that your support is based on his policies.   So what are these great policies?   What are these great results that cause you to support this abysmal human being, given all the damage he is doing to our nation?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.20  afrayedknot  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.19    3 months ago

“What are these great results that cause you to support this abysmal human being, given all the damage he is doing to our nation?”

Such an obvious question to have anyone ask given the overwhelming evidence of underwhelming performance. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.20    3 months ago

It is bizarre, is it not, that anyone still supports Trump.

He has not delivered on his campaign promises (other than the border and irresponsible deregulation) but has violated many of his promises (e.g. lower prices, no new wars, ...) and continues to damage and embarrass our nation.

Why does anyone support this buffoon?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.21    3 months ago
Why does anyone support this buffoon?
The sunk cost fallacy is a cognitive bias where you continue an endeavor, project, or relationship simply because you have already invested time, money, or effort into it, even when current and future costs clearly outweigh the benefits . [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 ]
Key Causes and Psychology
  • Loss Aversion: The psychological pain of losing or wasting something feels much worse than the joy of an equivalent gain.
  • Personal Responsibility: People are more likely to fall into this trap when they personally created or funded the original project.
  • Framing Effect: Continuing an action lets people frame it as a potential success, whereas quitting feels like admitting a concrete failure.

Some people are just too weak to admit when they're wrong. Admitting to one's failures is hard and not something a weak spinless lazy Trump supporter is likely to do when it's easier for them to just pretend they're 'winning', just like their dear Leader, and refuse any responsibility for voting in a complete dumpster fire of a President and administration.

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1.23  evilone  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.22    3 months ago
Some people are just too weak to admit when they're wrong.

Sometimes it's just ego. My step-father thought he was too smart to ever be wrong. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.1.24  TᵢG  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.22    3 months ago
Some people are just too weak to admit when they're wrong.

Sure, and there is some logic to that when one's views are defensible.

In the case of Trump, there is no defense.   It is obvious from posts that his supporters cannot logically defend Trump.   They do not even try anymore.   Instead, they deflect or flee from challenges with silence.

To wit, they know they are wrong.   They know we know they are wrong.  

Despite the glaringly obvious fact that Trump is an incompetent, irresponsible, criminal, greedy, unpresidential, immoral, lawless, vindictive, childish, profoundly ignorant, pathologically lying psychopath, they keep trying to indirectly defend the abysmal asshole.   No matter how much damage he does, no matter how much he embarrasses our nation, no matter how much personal pain they experience from his actions, they refuse to deal with reality.

I would have never believed such blind partisanship / cultism possible with so many yet there is no denying that tens of millions still support the abysmal human being.

800

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.25  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.19    3 months ago
And, by the way, note that almost $11T of the national debt was added under Trump, and he still has more than two years left.   Does that not bother your fiscal conservative principles?

No. Not long ago we had a president who said we are going to spend $2 on domestic spending for every $1 we spend on defense. We need to turn that around. At least Trump like Reagan is trying to grow the economy out of the mess, but the mess began with entitlements and the accepted idea that it was ok to print money. 


 It bothers me greatly, so am I more fiscally conservative than you?

It is very difficult to be fiscally Conservative at this point. That means not spending on one's own agenda or policies. I would have little respect for someone running for President who campaigns solely on reducing the deficit with no plans of their own. And the only way to really reduce the deficit is to get entitlements, which are growing on their own, under control. Who can touch entitlements?

And don't deflect to Biden and Obama and Bush.

Why not? Bill Clinton was the last U.S. president to inherit a balanced federal budget. When he took office in January 1993, the federal budget was already in balance for the fiscal year 1992. How could 4 Presidents be so irresponsible?


But you do not constantly defend them; you constantly defend Trump.   And you argue that your support is based on his policies.   So what are these great policies? 

You know very well what they are. He is dismantling the progressive project which was put in place for the past 50 years.

Examples:

What about the idea of ending trade surpluses for other nations? It is past time to end the Marshall Plan and helping other countries. How about ending DEI? Not only is it discriminatory but think of the consequences of that. How about a President who finally had the guts to stand up to Iran? How about a President realizing that democrats perfected redistricting long ago and that Republicans are underrepresented?

That is enough for starters. Please let me know your thoughts.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.26  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.25    3 months ago
When he took office in January 1993, the federal budget was already in balance for the fiscal year 1992.

The 1993 United States federal budget dealt with a massive deficit, leading to the enactment of the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 , which raised top income tax rates and cut spending to reduce the shortfall. [ 1 , 2 ]
Budget Overview and Deficit
  • Fiscal Year 1993 Deficit: Dropped to about $254.9 billion down from the record $290.3 billion in fiscal 1992.
So the deficit dropped to $254 billion in 1993 AFTER Bill Clinton signed the Omnibus in August of 1993 but it still wasn't "balanced" as you claim. The budget wasn't balanced until 1998 after Clinton signed the "Balanced Budget Act of 1997".

But it's not like I expect any truth in a Trump supporting sycophants' comment, so you don't have to worry, I was not surprised in the least as the rest of the comment is of the same dishonest drivel.

That is enough for starters.

Please, no more. I don't think we can handle another helping of bull shit.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.27  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.25    3 months ago
At least Trump like Reagan is trying to grow the economy out of the mess, but the mess began with entitlements and the accepted idea that it was ok to print money. 

How, exactly, have you imagined that Trump is trying to grow the economy out of the mess?   Taking actions to raise the prices of goods is NOT the way to go.   Wasting money on Iran and his other whims is NOT the way to go.   Destabilizing trade relationships is NOT the way to go.

Although I do not see any PotUS having great control over the GDP or the economy, it is clear that a PotUS can damage the GDP and the economy.   So let's look at some numbers:  

U.S. GDP for 2026 is 32.170 trillion US dollars , a 4.55% increase from 2025.
  • U.S. GDP for 2025 was 30.770 trillion US dollars , a 5.02% increase from 2024.
  • U.S. GDP for 2024 was 29.298 trillion US dollars , a 5.34% increase from 2023.
  • U.S. GDP for 2023 was 27.812 trillion US dollars , a 6.74% increase from 2022.

6.74% increase, 5.34% increase, 5.02% increase (Trump 2.0), 4.55% increase (Trump 2.0)

His plan does not seem to be working.

So what is this strategy you have imagined?

It is very difficult to be fiscally Conservative at this point.

Oh come on.   Fiscal conservatism is not something you turn on and off.   It does not mean 'do not spend money'.   It means making prudent, responsible choices about how money is spent.   Do you think Trump is doing that?  If so, how is it possible for you to be so critical of Ds while failing to see blatantly irresponsible spending by Trump??

Why not?

Because deflection just illustrates that you have no argument.   We are talking about Trump.   We are talking about the current PotUS who is currently taking actions that affect us all.   We are talking about the present and the future, not the past (which cannot be changed).

You know very well what they are. He is dismantling the progressive project which was put in place for the past 50 years.

That is abstract bullshit.   What is he doing besides engaging in bigotry under the excuse of fixing DEI, removing bad illegals, etc?   Be specific.   Show us that you have more than simply an emotional aversion to anything D.

What about the idea of ending trade surpluses for other nations?

Un-fucking-believable.   I know this has been explained to you repeatedly and you just keep on with the same bullshit.   A trade deficit with a nation is NOT necessarily bad.  The details matter; many deficits are net good for the USA!   Consider Mexico, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc..   There is no way these nations can buy enough goods from the USA to even get close to matching what we buy from them.   The trade relationship, however, is good for us.   We get less expensive items that consumers want.    In short, a trade deficit is not in itself bad.   Trump has been pushing total bullshit and you clearly continue to buy it.

It is past time to end the Marshall Plan and helping other countries.

While I do agree in principle, Trump's approach is crude and counterproductive.   We should be gracefully working with other nations to be more self-sufficient.   Implement a phased withdrawal giving each nation suitable time to assimilate the change.   Trump just pulling the plug is crude, stupid, and counterproductive.   

How about ending DEI?

There is no way to end discrimination.  DEI is an attempt.  Removing DEI is itself discrimination.   There clearly is systemic discrimination against people of color, women, etc.   Do you recognize that?   If not, buy a vowel.   If so, then you should at least recognize that DEI is an attempt to mitigate it to some degree.

How about a President who finally had the guts to stand up to Iran?

The guts?  That is how you perceive this?   Trump stupidly attempted to bomb Iran into regime change.   He stupidly got us into a war of choice that now has no clear ending and has placed us and the rest of the world in a worse position.   How can you possibly think that the Iran war is good for the USA???

How about a President realizing that democrats perfected redistricting long ago and that Republicans are underrepresented?

That is complete bullshit. 

ChatGPT fact-checking of your claim:

Republicans are so “underrepresented” that they won 50.6% of House seats with approximately 50.6% of the vote. Democrats certainly gerrymander where they can, but the evidence shows that modern redistricting has generally favored Republicans—not victimized them. The claim substitutes partisan grievance for arithmetic.

But worse, you totally ignore that Trump is pushing mid-census gerrymandering as one of his many methods to rig the midterms.   You give this slimy con-man a pass ... again!!

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.28  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.27    3 months ago
A trade deficit with a nation is NOT necessarily bad.  The details matter; many deficits are net good for the USA!   Consider Mexico, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc..   There is no way these nations can buy enough goods from the USA to even get close to matching what we buy from them.   The trade relationship, however, is good for us.   We get less expensive items that consumers want.

That's what I thought

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.29  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.27    3 months ago
Removing DEI is itself discrimination.   There clearly is systemic discrimination against people of color, women, etc. 

Just ask Kegsbreath. He fired or denied promotions to women, women of color, and men of color just because. Even tho they were imminently more qualified than he can ever hope to be

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.30  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.27    3 months ago
How, exactly, have you imagined that Trump is trying to grow the economy out of the mess?

Encouraging investment and lowering taxes.


Oh come on.   Fiscal conservatism is not something you turn on and off.   It does not mean 'do not spend money'.   It means making prudent, responsible choices about how money is spent.   Do you think Trump is doing that?  If so, how is it possible for you to be so critical of Ds while failing to see blatantly irresponsible spending by Trump??

Tell me what choices will make $39 Trillion go away?  There is a reckoning coming.


That is abstract bullshit.   What is he doing besides engaging in bigotry under the excuse of fixing DEI, removing bad illegals, etc?   Be specific.   Show us that you have more than simply an emotional aversion to anything D.

DEI IS RACISM! THE WORST KIND. THE KIND THAT PROVIDES YOU WITH A DOCTOR WHO SHOULDN"T BE A DOCTOR!


Un-fucking-believable.   I know this has been explained to you repeatedly and you just keep on with the same bullshit.   A trade deficit with a nation is NOT necessarily bad.  The details matter; many deficits are net good for the USA!   Consider Mexico, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc..   There is no way these nations can buy enough goods from the USA to even get close to matching what we buy from them.   The trade relationship, however, is good for us.   We get less expensive items that consumers want.    In short, a trade deficit is not in itself bad.   Trump has been pushing total bullshit and you clearly continue to buy it.

No, they can't be un-weaned. The cradle to grave welfare states can't even afford to defend themselves anymore. The Royal Navy couldn't beat the Argentine Navy anymore. You have to use "tough love."


 Trump stupidly attempted to bomb Iran into regime change.   He stupidly got us into a war of choice that now has no clear ending and has placed us and the rest of the world in a worse position.   How can you possibly think that the Iran war is good for the USA???

I can't say at this point. We need to see how it ends.


That is complete bullshit. 

ChatGPT fact-checking of your claim:

Republicans are to this very day underrepresented. I live in MA which went about 40% for Trump. We don't have a single Republican Rep or Senator.


But worse, you totally ignore that Trump is pushing mid-census gerrymandering as one of his many methods to rig the midterms.   You give this slimy con-man a pass ... again!!

It was long overdue as was fixing the voting rights act provision which violated the Constitution.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.31  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.30    3 months ago
Encouraging investment and lowering taxes.

It is not working.

Tell me what choices will make $39 Trillion go away? 

There are two fundamental things we must do:

  • Use money wisely (fiscal conservatism)
  • Raise the GDP

Trump clearly is wasting money.   Do you recognize that?

Trump clearly is not doing the GDP any favors.   Do you recognize that?

You can talk about Trump as if he is actually doing positive things for the nation but the actual facts show otherwise.  

DEI IS RACISM! THE WORST KIND. THE KIND THAT PROVIDES YOU WITH A DOCTOR WHO SHOULDN"T BE A DOCTOR!

As usual, you leap to extreme emotional rhetoric.   DEI has good intentions but as is true with any major initiative it is imperfect and is abused.   Trump has now gone in the opposite extreme.   Do you recognize that??

No, they can't be un-weaned.

This is incoherent.   I was explaining, yet again, why a trade deficit with a nation is not necessarily bad and is often quite good for the USA.

I can't say at this point. We need to see how it ends.

Good grief man, the lame 'wait and see' bullshit excuse.   It is flat out obvious that the Iran war was a mistake.   You jump all over Ds if they sneeze without covering their noses but when blatant, outrageous acts by Trump occur, you cannot bring yourself to even the most basic criticism.   

Republicans are to this very day underrepresented.

Denying the facts yet again.   Just professing what you (for whatever reason) believe rather than dealing with cold hard reality.

It was long overdue as was fixing the voting rights act provision which violated the Constitution.

No, Vic, what is long overdue is preventing gerrymandering!   Instead of that, Trump encourages purely partisan gerrymandering.   And you condone it!!

800

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.32  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.31    3 months ago
It is not working.

If it doesn't work, it will damage his legacy. He can't run again.


DEI has good intentions 

So was the war on poverty. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We need to get back to the system of MERIT.


 It is flat out obvious that the Iran war was a mistake.  

Are you sure? We have now learned how powerful the terror regime was. You think we should leave them be?


ust professing what you (for whatever reason) believe rather than dealing with cold hard reality.

We have one Republican Senator in all of the New England states. You think that is because those states are overwhelmingly democrat?


No, Vic, what is long overdue is preventing gerrymandering! 

If that is your goal, I'm with you. I have a great idea to accomplish that. Let us put AI to the task of forming neutral voting districts from one end of the nation to the other. What say you?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.33  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.32    3 months ago
If it doesn't work, it will damage his legacy. He can't run again.

True.   And there is no if, it is clearly failing.   Further, it is irrational.  Do you not see this??

So was the war on poverty. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We need to get back to the system of MERIT.

Apparently you do not realize that we have never had a system purely based on merit.  If we had, DEI, etc., would never have been necessary.   Do you NOT recognize that people of color and women are currently discriminated against in our nation?

Are you sure?

Yes, positive.   How can you not be??   Trump should have stayed out of it.   He has just made matters worse.   I support his 2025 efforts to bomb nuclear enrichment facilities (assuming diplomacy had been exhausted).   But his 2026 war is demonstrably ill-conceived, illegal, and right now the idiot has no idea how to put the genie back into the bottle and get things back to where they were before the buffoon spent tens of billions of dollars, killed tens of thousands of people, gave Iran the excuse to engage their influence of the Strait and see how everyone reacts (incredibly valuable information for Iran), further alienate our allies, endanger our allies, shoot up the price of crude, etc.

Stop imagining and focus on what is actually happening.   Hell, Vic, ¾ of the USA (per polls) recognize the Iran war should never have taken place:

In the most recent Quinnipiac University poll , 60 percent of voters said they opposed military action against Iran, a slight uptick since May . And in a recent CNN/SSRS poll , 74 percent of Americans — including about 43 percent of Republicans — said the war in Iran had not been worth the cost in terms of the financial burden or American casualties.

We have one Republican Senator in all of the New England states. You think that is because those states are overwhelmingly democrat?

A key problem with your reasoning methodology.   You focus on isolated data points rather than considering the big picture.   That is like making investment decisions by simply looking at the price difference in a stock and buying if it went up from Tuesday to Wednesday.   It is a fundamentally flawed, myopic method.

Let us put AI to the task of forming neutral voting districts from one end of the nation to the other. What say you?

It does not even take AI.   We have had optimization algorithms for almost a century now.   It is child's play (algorithmically speaking) to produce cohesive, coherent districts based solely on census.   We could have that done almost instantly.   No doubt this has already been calculated many times by many people.

The problem is, of course, partisan politics.

Here is a 2020 effort doing what I described:  

So calculating proper districts (per the CotUS and not based on partisan politics) is not a problem.   The problem is getting partisans to agree to abide by the principles of our Constitution.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.1.34  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.33    3 months ago
Stop imagining and focus on what is actually happening.

I think he's too busy watching the hand he's wishing into to pay attention to the hand Trump is shitting in.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.33    3 months ago
Do you NOT recognize that people of color and women are currently discriminated against in our nation?

No. I'm not sure who gets the credit, but the attitudes of the vast majority of white Americans changed long ago.


Hell, Vic, ¾ of the USA (per polls) recognize the Iran war should never have taken place:

American foreign policy should never be dictated by polls. FDR wouldn't have been able to forge the "Lend-Lease Act" deal if he was prioritizing public opinion.


You focus on isolated data points rather than considering the big picture.

The dems have redistricted just about as far as possible. That is why they can't respond to what red states are doing.


The problem is getting partisans to agree to abide by the principles of our Constitution.

Redistricting is unconstitutional?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.36  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.35    3 months ago
No

Denying extant racism and other forms of discrimination in the USA is willful ignorance.

American foreign policy should never be dictated by polls.

Platitude;  not the point.   The point is that a supermajority of citizens recognize that the Iran war has been a disaster.   You have no defense for the war, just deflection like you just posted.   

Surely you recognize that the Iran war was a monster mistake by Trump.   Why do you refuse to criticize this buffoon?

800

The dems have redistricted just about as far as possible.

Again, you deflect.   The point is that you focus on mere data point while ignoring the big picture (which contradicts your data points).

Redistricting is unconstitutional?

Now you employ faux obtuseness.  One shit tactic after another rather than deal honestly on these matters.

Here is my full sentence, which is the closing sentence on a description of automated redistricting:

TiG @4.1.33 ☞ So calculating proper districts (per the CotUS and not based on partisan politics) is not a problem.   The problem is getting partisans to agree to abide by the principles of our Constitution.

The principles of our Constitution refer to fair practices consistent with representative democracy (per 10 year census) as opposed to elected officials contriving districts to their advantage.

The problem I noted is that automated district calculation has been available for years, but getting partisans to agree to use it (an objective calculation) and to avoid abusing redistricting for partisan advantage is unlikely.   

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.37  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.36    3 months ago
Denying extant racism and other forms of discrimination in the USA is willful ignorance.

There is plenty of racism, it simply comes via other groups.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Professor Participates
4.1.38  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.2    3 months ago

Thank you, Nerm_l:

T-Diddy Rump Roast is a Murderer, a CHILD RAPIST, a 
convicted FELON, an Adjudicated Rapist, a Con Man, a Compulsive LIAR, a selfish SOB that needs to be thrown into the WORST PRISON in America, and locked up until DEATH DO US PART! 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.39  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.37    3 months ago
There is plenty of racism, it simply comes via other groups.

Whatever that vague statement is supposed to mean.

People have been discriminated based on race, ethnicity, appearance, intelligence, beliefs, and gender for all of history.   I think societies are getting better at NOT engaging in much of the superficial bigotry, but it still is quite prevalent.   Biologically, superficial bigotry is part of our primordial brain ... largely as a self-protection mechanism.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.40  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.39    3 months ago
Whatever that vague statement is supposed to mean.

It means that in my lifetime racism in the white community has pretty much been eradicated. However, as we can plainly see, it has been fostered in various minority groups. There are many to blame starting with democrat politicians who use race to win elections.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.41  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.40    3 months ago

you are hallucinating 

but thanks for crystalizing your beliefs

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.42  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.41    3 months ago

still crying over 161 year old spilled milk ...

 
 
 
Thomas
Professor Guide
4.1.43  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.37    3 months ago

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afrayedknot
Senior Silent
4.1.44  afrayedknot  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.41    3 months ago

“… crystalizing your beliefs.”


”If whiteness were of no particular advantage, then having a fuller color wheel of skin tones would be purely a matter of celebration. But when whiteness - just a drop of it - does still carry privilege. You learn that very young in America.”  ~Eric Liu


Some understand this reality. Others, in their denial, their ignorance, and their fear will justify their emotional distress with words and deeds and support for like minded people and thoughts and platforms. A sad existence at best and fertile ground for disinformation, discrimination, and hatred in all it’s forms. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.45  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.40    3 months ago
It means that in my lifetime racism in the white community has pretty much been eradicated.

That is a delusional claim.   It is demonstrably false.

I believe racism from Caucasian’s has lessened, but you cannot seriously hold that it is anywhere near eradicated.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5  Trout Giggles    3 months ago

I think some of you don't know what the real communistic threat was. And I'm talking to those that never put on a uniform

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.1  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @5    3 months ago
I think some of you don't know what the real communistic threat was.

Truth. 

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Professor Participates
5.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Trout Giggles @5    3 months ago

The Communist THREAT still comes from Putin's Russia, China, and Kim Jong-Un! It is not from America.

Trump wants to convince his supporters that he alone can see, hear, and know the whereabouts of Communists in the USA.

And, yet Trump has aligned himself with Putin, calls constantly, and is manipulated by "POO TIN", RAVES that he got "LOVE LETTERS" from the ruthless Kim Jong-Un, CLAIMS he has a wonderful relationship with the CHINESE COMMUNIST LEADER, and Orban!

This is what we should be worried about.  Not labelling American CITIZENS as Communists to scare folks that the enemy is within.

It is within the WHITE HOUSE. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
6  Gsquared    3 months ago

The real problem in America is woke transgender commies.  Ask any maga.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @6    3 months ago

Ask anyone who fled California.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
6.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 months ago
California

Something you have been proven not to know anything about.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.1    3 months ago

Yes, you've proven that haven't you?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
6.1.3  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    3 months ago

You've proven it.  Repeatedly.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.3    3 months ago

some xtian conservative people are still very unhappy that they couldn't move their human property west 175 years ago ...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.5  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @6.1.4    3 months ago

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.6  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @6.1.5    3 months ago

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Professor Participates
6.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Gsquared @6    3 months ago

That, sir, is the BS that "Dirty Diaper Donnie" likes to disseminate, in an attempt to attack any & everyone that doesn't kiss his ORANGE arse.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
6.2.1  Gsquared  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @6.2    3 months ago

Woke transgender commies want to eat everyone's pets on Christmas.  Watch out!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7  devangelical    3 months ago

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Professor Participates
7.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  devangelical @7    3 months ago

Shouldn't that read "DEAD LEADER"?

I just received a telepathic phone call from Mitch "The Bitch" McConnell, and he said it is TRUMP that is dead, and he, McConnell, is resting from overwork.

As a registered TRANS-MEDIUM, I get a lot of calls.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @7.1    3 months ago

elaine isn't about to release mitch's obit to the media yet, because he hasn't been that stiff for the past 30 years ...

 
 

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