Useful idiots never learn, I guess that's why they are idiots.
Yesterday in London hundreds of garbed in in black Muslim men marched through the streets of Whitechapel chanting Allah Akbar and the usual stuff. Given the two tier nature of the modern Britain, UKIP was not allowed to hold a march in that location. But the funny and most interesting part was a video that has gone viral that perfect encapsulated left wing fetishization of militant islamism.
Islamists: *yelling*
Far-left useful idiot: “There’s no need for that we’re on the same side bruv.”
Islamists: “No we’re not!”
https://x.com/ArchRose90/status/1982381924841922815
At first, it's hard to imagine something that would cause more cognitive dissonance than movements like LGBT for free Palestine and things of that ilk. No different than Jews for Hitler. These left wing fools are literally supporting a movements that brags about killing them and does so everywhere they have the chance. But that's what happens when peoples' brains are so corrupted by anti-American and anti-western civilization propaganda. The fools align with anyone else who opposes it, under a sort of enemy of my enemy is my friend mindset.
But radical islamists are not left wingers friends. This played out in Iran when the left wingers allied with the religious fanatics to throw out the Shah. The theocracy that followed, as anyone with a brain knew would happen, then murdered their left wing "allies." The communists do the same when they take power. The moderate liberals (Lenin's original useful idiots) get the same bullet the die hard tsarists got. But so many progressives attraction to the destruction of capitalism and western civilization makes them overlook their certain fate and support the fanatics. Just see the wealth left wingers in NYC fawn over a radical who hates them. There some deep rooted psych issues at play.
It's almost like watching a movie play out in real time. The idiots in the crowd cheering on their eventual destroyer is one of the oldest themes in western civilization from Thucydides and Tacitus on down.
Leftists embracing the religious fanatics who want to liquidate them to protest governments that don't persecute them. Amazing to watch play out.
Life is not about a singular focus, as two (or more) things can be true about the same subject. Supporting innocent Muslim men, women, girls, boys, elderly, disabled, pregnant girls and women who are being destroyed and given life-long PTSD (without an treatment) is NOT the same as CONFLTATING support for Muslim terrorists whom are highly probably given of their crimes.
But in reality the end result is binary. Progressives, in my opinion, tend to care about motives and intentions more than the real world results of their actions. This is the perfect example. Even pretending the overtly antisemitic nature of many of the the free Palestine protests didn't exist, it's inarguable the real world result of those supporting the movement was to strengthen Hamas and their control over the Palestinian people. If those protests (pretending they were of pure motive for a moment) had their way, a racist death cult that wants to liquidate LGBT people would have their own territory and be free to impose dominion on all within their power.
The idea that LGBT, or any other person who is not a rabid islamist would be better off in that situation is insane, no matter how pure and idyllic the vision of a "free palestine" is that motivates a protester.
The point here is that is not MAGA's call. I can extrapolate from the direction MAGA is headed in that in its final analysis MAGA wants LGBTQ folks persecuted unto death too. MAGA is no friend of the class labeled: Other.
So do not even try to compare INNOCENT deaths and ideology with HAMAS extremists whom are willing to act and kill—even now HAMAS has turned on the innocent Palestinians under their 'grip.'
MAGA can not vanquish an idea by simply killing all those who lend support to it!
And yes, I note that you are going 'deep' in your thought process to come up with this and to that I applaud you. However, again, two things can be right and all MAGA needs to realize is that if the proverbial 'shoe was on the foot of MAGA' and somebody was destroying the 'world' of MAGA. . . you would instantly request that the Innocent be left alone and out of the ''harm zone"!
There's "No Cure for 'Stuck on Stupid'".
Homosexuals don't need MAGA's "better off" ideology. If they leave LGBTQ people out of their bulls— culture wars we can end this version of "Stupid"!
It would be nice if so-called, MAGA men and women could just live their own 'truth' and leave LGBTQ people to live their truth.
Pardon my interruption CB, but who said it was MAGA's call? Hell the article is talking about leftist ideology as it pertains to recent events in the UK, so it had nothing to do with MAGA here in America. There was only an observation made that some positions taken by those of left-leaning ideology appear to be contradictory and perhaps dangerously short-sighted. Some facts were presented, but they aren't necessarily simply MAGA talking points. Some on the left, and as it turns out many on the right and in the middle can see these facts and the apparent dissonance in taking up the extreme left positions along with perhaps less extreme positions. It isn't just a MAGA thing, it is a logic and reason thing.
Huh? Who is in support of killing anyone here, other than Hamas? Who among those whom you call "MAGA" has ever said they support killing the class that you call "Other"?
Perhaps, but not being a friend (or in this case simply not agreeing with all aspects of the LGBT ideology) is a far cry from calling for them to be killed. Having said that, I think most people agree that ALL people should be treated with dignity and respect both under the law and as a matter of common decency and morality. I too wish that some folks on the right could take a step back and take more of a "Live and Let Live" or "You do you" approach to these sorts of issues and be more reasonable about it.
I thank you for the question and the concern. I really do. (What I have written below is a 'start' to a larger, broader, point.)
And this is the point! Yours is the 'call' that should be heard! Instead, we get firings and insincere talking points about medications affecting the ability to serve in a PERFECT military (nobody is perfect and no one serves with PERFECTION or even without injury sooner or later in our services). No, MAGA supporters HATE LGBTQ humans and I no longer will PRETEND FOR THEIR SAKE that it is anything other than HATE.
If/When you take people off their job on a "trumped up" charge/cause, when people are fired over an AGENDA, in the case of LGBTQ individuals the STIGMATIZATION returns (and can do so with a vengeance too)! Why? Simply because of a manufactured CULTURE WAR?
LGBTQ folks believe in "Live and Let Live" - because they have an OVERSIZED UNDERSTANDING of what it means to be abused, misunderstood, and ostracized. All of which takes up a 'solid' chunk of their daily routine.
Do you have any idea how much second-guessing and self-reflecting goes into being a child and/or adult member of the LGBTQ community? Do not let our 'ease' fool you. . . we are on guard in one manner or another over being LGBTQ, - in ADDITIONAL to the routine guard that all of us are on in this country/world. That is, it's an ADDITIONAL AND LIFELONG internalized set of factors we face-simply trying to get through nearly 'every' working day in a country (world) where 'straight' people decide what PERMISSIONS we can have/possess or have simply taken away just 'because' (they can).
So yes, MAGA puts on full display by their policy proposals and actions that they want LGBTQ persons to die: mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and if given autocratic control of this democracy and Christian Dominion 'control' over government (something the GOP is currently attempting to do with Project 2025) - why should I not believe from what they are planning currently that they will let LGBTQ people live in peace or at all? WHY?!
The truth is MAGA does not care (and I fully believe) if LGBTQ people ever get a(nother) job or career as long as they are part of the "Other." It is evident that when the group in power fires working people simply because of they do not like that GROUP OF FOLKS that they will 'follow-up' with a bad job reference or worse into the private sector - and, of course, the power of the federal government to affect the private sector is MIGHTY. We see it happening all 'day' long and all over the places.
And by the way, if an individual has a 'cap' on where/when/how he or she can make a living professionally. . .he/she may not be able to properly EAT/feed themselves or keep a proper ROOF over his or her head. Yes! That runs the risk of making one feel that one would be better off dead (in his/her country that should be assisting him or her in bettering self for the good of the country itself!)
Yes I do. My brother is gay so I have a pretty good idea in talking with him and many of his and my friends. I had the pleasure of traveling to South Africa about 10 years ago with my brother, my other siblings, and about a dozen of my brother's friends (mostly gay). We had the best time ever, and I was able to get to know them much better over those 3 weeks. Many expressed difficulties they have had, but all indicated that things have gotten much better for them in terms of more acceptance and seamless integration in their communities.
So, I can certainly understand how some of the more recent rhetoric is disturbing for many in the gay community, and I don't support that sort of thing. To the extent that some of the rhetoric is aimed at reducing the rights of LGBTQ folks or putting restrictions on them relative to the rights and freedoms that straight folks have, that shit needs to stop.
IMHO, there does need to be a reasonable approach to things like transgender folks who were born male competing in women's sports (for safety reasons / to protect women's rights). But other than those sorts of concerns all people should have equal rights and freedoms that do not encroach on those same rights, freedoms or safety of others.
I agree. And where the 'trans' circumstances touch on girls and women sports it is a really problem for trans-individuals politically, culturally, and professionally. That said, I have no opinion of it (because it is hard and the professionals in the field should decide/judge how to proceed) and wish the leagues well in whatever decision/s they make in regards to that.
I thought the nation was 'becoming' more accepting too. . . Yes, it is doing so. However, I recoiled (a bit) when I discovered that Trump and MAGA supporters, MAGA GOP, and MAGA SCOTUS are in 'league' together to set back LGBTQ freedoms. . . not based on fact or reasonability. . .but, party 'passion.' That offends me deeply. These are my 'people' and MAGA won't leave them alone-ever it seems.
Who the hell is ChrisRose90 other than being just another fascist on X?
Useful idiots = Trump supporters.
LGBT for free Palestine, atheists defending Islam, capitalists demand socialism, communists demanding free trade, and a flag-hugging President destroying American values and heritage.
Yes, indeed, we live in a fucked up world.
Gotta agree with you, Sean. Pretty disgusting.
Well, can it be more idiotic than "Log Cabin Republicans" - in the republican party? Let's see if this comment gets ambiguity, redirected, or dismissed!
It's crazy to me you can type this after typing this "Life is not about a singular focus, as two (or more) things can be true about the same subject." Maybe you should talk this out with your self.
But, and this should be the most obvious thing ever, Republicans aren't throwing gay people off buildings and don't want to liquidate them, for starters. That you seem to believe Republicans are worse than Hamas for gays, or at least can't tell the difference, is exactly the sort of thing I'm describing.
I do not know if MAGA intends to starve LGBTQ people (alongside all Others) are not, so your statement makes assumptions you can not back up!
Why? Because it is evident that MAGA is in an all-out political WAR with what it calls "Leftists" and "Liberals" and are kicking homosexuals out of work and calling OTHERS "Woke" while furloughing them in reality means that they can't EAT, SLEEP, or THINK in peace while Trump and MAGA supporters are in-Charge of the government. And we are just starting to get a sense of the 'warfare' on homosexuals that this conservative '6-deep' SCOTUS is about to unload on same-sex marriage and transsexual rights, privileges, and prosperity (or lack thereof)!
Let's just say republicans are not throwing LGBTQ people off building—yet. Because in time, it could be that or even something effectively worse overall!
Suppression is 'murder' of the spirit! And that is what MAGA is doing right now to LGBTQ people—just ask a trans-individual that is thrown out of service to hi s and her country, because certain conservatives are born homophobes!
As for Log Cabin republicans. . . those fools stand on the shoulders of the liberties, privileges, and MARRIAGES afforded them by the efforts of their 'Kind'- - and, piss down their legs on the heads of activists that have strived to set them free. . . . Thus, when they are properly shown the door out of MAGA and RE-STIGMATIZED it will be just desserts for collaboration and fraternizing with an 'enemy' who is merely using them for a vote count anyway.
Finally, let's be clear, MAGA supporters are not friends or supporters of LGBTQ individuals or groups! Just 'users' of fools who think corrupt money will sustain them when --it hits the proverbial fan for them. The money will run out and dry up. Then, what will they be?
Well, if you are going to cling to bizarre conspiracies to justify your hate, there's really nothing to be said
Well, I wrote so much more than that. And since MAGA supporters have no 'answer' for it. . . .
Please define MAGA
Winston Churchill Gets the Last Word on Islam – PJ Media
MAGA removes a woman's right to choose an abortion; has support for every woman marrying a man and every man a woman; hates LGBTQ and Others; goes to war with their fellow brothers and sisters in "the Faith". .and some here have the gall to mock Islam? Good grief: MAGA aspires to have 'America' turn into a theocracy!
That said, me and that other member were not discussing what Islam is-good or bad. We were discussing innocent lives destroyed and made worse by over-zealous war and propaganda by what allegedly are "holy land" people treating themselves worse than pagans 'do.'
AFTERTHOUGHT: MAGA is on this site: Define MAGA for us, I am sure y'all know it better than me.
These are just ravings. You have no rational basis to claim republicans will murder gays. It’s no different then claiming democrats publicly favor abortion, therefore they want to enforce a one child limit by murdering all second born children.
if you want to engage in protocols of the elders of Zion type smears, enjoy yourself
Whatever gets MAGA supporters through the night I guess. I live this and other MAGA bull-I can think what I want and you can call it: Expectation.
I could care less what MAGA thinks about its so-called, "good intentions"—NOT!
Given that MAGA supports its evangelical base. . . a theocracy can not be far away. . . and we (all) know that properly situated religious theocracies are all about SUPPRESSION of that which is not in service of. . . 'its' god absolutely.
Kim Davis, former Kentucky clerk, is 'desperately' attempting to end same-sex marriage nationally (see hearing SCOTUS November 7) and make life SUCK for homosexuals yet again simply because that wrench can not cope with getting on with the problems needing solutions in her own life. She has to exploit Others simply trying to get into a stable home life similar (I assume) to her 'sorry' Pharisee-ic self!
I will not be lectured too by MAGA about what it is to be me. I know what I am and how I deal/live with it better than any MAGA supporter ever will or could.
That said, I pray that Trump and MAGA supporters, especially the Christian nationalists, hearts are pricked by the Spirit of God and that all of them go after PEACE with all of their fellow citizens. . .and once accomplished, may God receive proper glory for having done so.
What the actual fuck?
The things people will make up.
That is your 'freebie' fuck usage. Please refrain from using it again in this discussion, in MY direction, please.
Yes! Throwing LGBTQ people out of serviceable jobs (e.g., military service for trans-service members) on a pretext of sickness means they will have to struggle in a society to FEED themselves without support from OFFICIALS that LIE about wanting people to WORK!
My prayer for Trump and MAGA supporters is that God will bless them with a revealing REVELATION that all people need to eat and be in good health in our country: both red and blue states make us whom we is.
Justify his hate...?
Perhaps someone could justify Trumps hate that will ruin peoples lives. Some won't have employment. Some won't have health insurance. Others won't have enough food to eat.
I don't know how high up on the priority list these useful idiots might be, considering what's going on in our country, this and cause, of he.
Interesting times we reside in for sure.
Republocans R the true measure, and symbol, for the useful idiots voting against theirs and all of ours, best interests, because the grand ole party of pussy's, has been so grabbed by a come back and stab you in the back potUS that apparently truly hates even his uneducated, possible cause he thinks they are stupid, as they still support the POS in chief, who leads his flockers, quite a horde of useful 'idiots', as these protesters and maga have much in common they due, cause Trump hates US All, you and me too
You suppose they are so pathetic as to not be able to find gainful employment elsewhere. You also continue to pretend these people are persecuted when they are treated the exact same way as diabetics. Are we "starving" diabetics too? Or are you just spouting a load of nonsense again?
These people had jobs when Trump and MAGA supporters arrived in office-so stop with the IGNORANT talking point. They did not NEED any 'new' job/s! They were fired from perfectly good jobs by MAGA supporters and Trump hate. Shame on so-called, "evangelical Christians" who are so miserable as people that all they can do is throw out hard-working servicemembers to REPLACE them with narrow-minded bigots.
Nobody worth their salt is fooled by MAGA bull and NONSENSE.
I pray God will bless Trump and MAGA supporters to STOP being ridiculously selfish and stubborn bullies with the power our nation has vested in them to do GOOD for ALL in this country.
They were banned from service from 1960-2016. That's JFK, LBJ, Carter and Clinton. All banned trans people from military service. Raving bigots to a man, apparently....
So out of curiosity, is everyone who loses a job "being starved"? Like these people Amazon is laying off? Or maybe.... just maybe.... are they just expected to get another job?
Simple question, did you feel the same and make the same objections to the federal workers fired by Biden for refusing the Covid vaccine?
From Perplexity AI:
Summary Table
Transgender individuals generally barred from service
Open service permitted for transgender individuals
Attempt to reinstate ban on transgender service
I will not spend my time rehashing all the background political obstructions that have attended LGBTQ issues, as I feel strongly that MAGA supporters know the past better (or should) already since they persist in continuing the same obstructions (guile and lies).
Anyway, as the chart illustrates in 2016 transgender servicemembers 'gladly' integrated our military service. . . then, the 'usual suspects' attempted to ban them again in 2017 (Trump administration). . . and in 2021 the Biden administration let transgendered servicemembers reintegrate. . . and as of Trump's return inauguration as president. . . they are actively being banned now.
As for civilian job loss. . . it is apples and oranges to military service job losses. As civil and military service is not private sector. The question for MAGA apologists:
Why do Trump and MAGA supporters choose to pretend medicines and drugs used to make individuals 'whole' and accepting of themselves (and gives them a career of service to their nation) is a hindrance to society?!
I find it deceitful that a MAGA supporter would attempt a 'partial' statement of the facts and not complete the thought! Lord, I pray that MAGA supporters will not try to lie and obfuscate in these online discussions, because deceit wastes time and effort. Also, it is inefficient.
It is another case of Pandemic unknowns versus Transsexual military service knowns - if we take out the politics only then can we see what is actually left to defend or dispute. Thus, we can see and have experienced already how futile that will be for the purposes of this discussion.
Except those who refused the Covid injections did so on religious grounds. I don't agree with said religious objections but they were a known issue. Even taking politics out of it, I think that disputes your reasoning. Objections to both are known, and even as I don't agree with said objections they are still known issues. So I don't see much difference between the two in this regard.
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The problem you will find with this comparison is religious grounds are not a proper EXCEPTION for the government to consider according to the First Amendment to the Constitution.
Now then since religious 'grounds' persists in getting involved in health matters - we can not make a proper comparison as faith (belief) is not a proper governmental policy concern in the United States—if we at the same time believe in our Constitution, that is.
No, you're wrong. There's not a First Amendment issue here because the government is not using religion on the Covid injections. The individuals were using religious grounds which is their right. The First Amendment prevents the government from setting any religion as the one to be followed.
It's literally called the free exercise clause. It's right there in plaint text for you.
According to what you wrote those folks invoked religion (grounds) as a means to avoid the vaccine. Thus, it's "apples to oranges" and not a proper comparison to the Biden administration using SCIENCE to remove potentially life-threatening illnesses from the ranks of civil servants. Transsexuals in the military did not bring sickness into the ranks of the military—no matter how some bigots FEEL they, individually, are SICK just for existing.
So what?! You can freely exercise religion (in "set apart" places meant for that very thing). Moreover, I do not understand what point you are sharing. Please elaborate.
What you said was wrong. that's what.
Please elaborate.
It's only a First Amendment issue if the government used religion, but as you said they did not. They had the right to refuse the injections on whatever grounds they wanted, this is still America. We also know very well after the fact that the government lied a lot around the vaccine, around the disease and around everything related to Covid. Their use of 'science' was biased and tilted.
While I don't agree with those who refused the vaccines as well as I do not agree with the restrictions around trans individuals, this still goes back to the original point that you have not answered.
Did you make the same objects to those who were fired for refusing the vaccine?
I do not accept the premise that MAGA supporters 'know' at the time of those federal (COVID vaccine 'fight') firings or was it attempt to fire(?) anything about the vaccine and any deliberate lies (however that should be phrased).
To tell you have I feel about the vaccines. . .
I got and get all my COVD shots—even this fall (years later). I respect that MAGA supporters do not . (I do not care what MAGA supporters do with their personal freedoms one way or the other!) Also, Trump got his COVID shot and i have no reason to NOT THINK that he CONTINUES to get it. (No one is asking him and he is not volunteering information one way or the other.)
As for whom I sit next to on the job during a PANDEMIC outbreak when there are definite unknowns and people dying horribly over a transmitted disease. . . I am a Christian too, but WISDOM tells me not to just sit around people whom do not know anymore than I do about a germ/virus/disease that is indiscriminately killing whomsoever it infects!
Furthermore, I did not at the time and even now have NO OPINION/VIEW of what happened to those federal employees. . .
That said. . finally I think I understand what you are asking me:
Something along the lines of; Can a sitting president fire federal employees for any cause if he wishes-and/or words to that effect?
No, I do not think that a president should fire federal employees without a proper reason or 'case.'
Tell me if I got it right or wrong (if wrong just come out and ask it plainer.)
And that is definitely your choice. I'm also a big believer in vaccines and I got every Covid shot and booster until this year, but that is because my heart doctor said I should not get the latest shot. He said since I did get every shot and also had Covid last year, my immunity should be good enough to balance against the negatives he reported in this years shot.
That answers the question I asked.
No, that is not the question I asked. You did answer it above as you can see in my reply a few lines up. Our line of conversation was when you were talking about the trans individuals who have been let go from the military in a reversal by Trump. You seemed rightfully upset over the 'firing' of military members just for being trans. (For the record I agree with you. I served and all I really cared about at the time was if they had my back when the shit hit the fan. So long as they met the physical standards for the job which are necessary in those cases, then I really didn't care how they dressed or acted. But don't bring down the standards just because they are trans, that I do not agree with). With you upset over their firing, my question was simply how you felt about those federal and military members who were 'fired' for refusing the Covid vaccine shots.
I'm sorry you have no opinion of that however as to me it seems as if both cases are similar. In both cases, they were 'fired' based on the decisions of the Administration.
Now to reply to your statement of "Can a sitting president fire federal employees for any cause if he wishes-and/or words to that effect?". My reply to that would be a conditional yes. If the employee is in the Executive Branch, the sitting President is the head (or CEO) of the Executive Branch. Unless the employee is covered and guaranteed his position by law, the CEO should be able to fire anybody in the Executive Branch. After my time in the military, I spent the rest of my working life employed by companies both small and large. I've been laid off and fired in the past, it's just a fact of life for any worker.
Because, in some such cases, the 'Admin' may know what I know NOT. That is, 'the thing' may have national security implications that I am not aware or privileged to know about. . . so since I see no obvious 'complaint' to make under that circumstance I abstain from sharing an opinion.
That is not the case with what the Trump Admin put forward twice (2018 and 2025 respectively) in removing trans-service people under the guise of them being a medical 'threat' to national security. You and I both (know) and agree that trans-service members were performing their duties. . . when these servicemembers were 'abruptly' dismissed from their military contracts and careers. This is simple bigotry put on wide display out in the open.
There is no medical 'threat' or national threat which would ever require a dismissal of an entire class of citizens from serving their nation. . . at least they should be able to serve this nation in some capacity. As befits citizens to voluntarily do (with pay). In this case, the Trump Administration wields executive power to hurt trans-individuals, because the administration (and its secretaries) do not politically accept that transsexuals can be strong individuals and fulfill their obligations to protect their comrades in service. Transsexuals are strong people by nature seeing as to what they have (had) to deal with publicly. Of course, there will be exceptions. . .to every rule and those individuals can be 'weeded' out. But to 'eradicate' a whole class of citizens on a 'whim' and call it necessary is well, wrong.
Transsexuals, healthy and able to serve, should be permitted to serve their country and BENEFIT from serving their country same as any other healthy and able-bodied class of citizens.
Our society from time to time, 'evolves' and we must REQUIRE our traditional thinking to keep pace with new ways and methods of change that test our patience even as they widen our mental apertures.
I, like the rest of us, grew up and live a good portion of my adult life with two genders, but now science and psychology tells us that people have 'found' lives that can be 'fluid' sexually and physically. . . I can stand on my own 'counsel' of say it is not so. . . or just let people live their truth as long as it does not hurt/harm others. I choose to let others live their truth. . . as I reserve the right to live out my own.
With that rationale above, citizens-transsexual and otherwise should be allowed to serve in the armed forces.
Thank you for your openness to discussing this topic, Snuffy!
Your comment makes me think of the days of log cabins . . .even of the politicians of that era.
For example, Abraham Lincoln. Yep-- he would never have joined the Republican Party!
That comments makes me think of the 'one' about which comes first: The Chicken or the Egg.
Well my brother who is gay was in the "Young Republican's" group in college. Not anymore of course, but he is still a fiscally conservative type of guy and most definitely a capitalist. I have known LGTBQ folks who are/were conservatives or Republicans, after weighing the options at the voting booth at the time. If they have their reasons, why criticize them for it if what you truly want is LGTBQ folks to make their own decisions free from anybody's coercion? Similarly, I was appalled when Biden said, "If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black". What sort of attitude is that if you truly feel that minorities should be free to make their own choices just like anyone else?
Being a Log Cabin Republican is a free choice made by those of the LGBTQ community, how in the world can that be conflated with supporting an ideology that calls for the actual death of same?
Great question/s!
I have no issue with "Young republicans" being LGBTQ. The issue becomes. . . when it means nothing for the LGBTQ community that homosexuals are seeking freedom/liberty/prosperity from the politicians whom constituents mean to set them back. Because at some point realization should set in that you can not advance on one hand while being sent back two "hands".
I am a pragmatist. That means I can see a scenario where I can vote for a republican (and did for Reagan once and George W. Bush once for practical reasons) in my voting years. I could do it again. . . if I believe a republican is making sense (I do not believe that to be the case.)
Also, there are LGBTQ activists that have DEDICATED their lives work to trying to make a better life for homosexuals with, in the midst of, and through a 'straight' majority society with its "consistent" standards and values.
What is the obligation for LGBTQ individuals if/when they ACCEPT the gains from the LGBTQ 'struggle' and yet spend their energy voting up capitalism that GOP 'straights' really and truly won't allow them to gain or keep?
That is, no LGBTQ 'experience' is exactly the same, but what do LGBTQ people have in common? That we are LGBTQ and as a group we suffer when politicians/politics take actions specifically designed to set up back!
Therefore, is it enough for me to seek "my" comfort and prosperity alone in such a scenario? Or should I stand with those that live and in my case ONCE were the joy of my life and experiences for which withOUT my life would have been miserable?
As for FREEDOM I have no intention of REACHING OUT AND TOUCHING any LGBTQ GOPers' world, except to call them out for neglecting and not standing up for their 'own' collective, while they give support to those that discount and actually hate their liberty/freedom/prosperity. That is, I will not seek to set them back, I will not suggest policy 'prescriptions' that affect them or attacks the GOP itself per se. I will not PRAISE THEM EITHER.
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Quick example (I have used it before-probably on this article as I do recall writing it down recently):
Minorities have power in this country not in numbers (quantity) but in quality (potency) when they COMBINE with other minorities and 'strengthen the ties that bind' (strength in numbers). Civil rights for Blacks came about not because of individual blacks ignoring what was occurring to all blacks in the country, but because of the power (and capital) of blacks when they formed a voting bloc and demanded change and improvements for their collective—as conservatives do in their collective—past and present!
Now then, in the cases of Stonewall Riot in New York and Obergefell v. Hodges same sex marriage June 26, 2015, homosexuals bandied together to support their causes and to show their numbers to society, thus demonstrating the power of a VOICE and the 'VOTE' in society that of necessity has to be respected.
When homosexuals 'discount' or 'treat' of no significance what other homosexual activists ACCOMPLISH for their collective selves. . . to use an analogy. . .it is like that individual doing that is standing on the shoulders of STONEWALL and Obergefell achievements and. . . pissing down onto the heads, faces, and shoulders of those that came before them and did the work which accomplished a significant milestone in our 'salvation' from social oppression (and political tyranny) by class.
Finally this: I often write this about being a black person who loves people in other races and ethnic groups that are not classified as black. I, you, they, can love whomsoever they will, but I feel strongly-strongly one should NEVER let anybody make you ashamed of who you are inside. That is, I will always be a 'black' man. . . if you were ever to see me you would agree. . . . Over the course of my life. . . I have been in many situations and places (even beds) where I was the only black man/person around. . . there alone. . . but, I never let anybody put me or black people down just because I was in 'private' - who would know I did?
I would know I did. So I did not do that and when you think about it I do a similar thing here. I speak my truth in a 'house' of heterosexuals. . .some whom agree with my points of view and some who oppose me. I do not go along just to get along. I expect people to accept me for who I am. . . or leave me alone.
From all of the above, you should be able to 'see' me. . . that I am not here to put on a 'show,' to be 'phony' accepted, and to be frank-honest: Sometimes I am in AWE of 'all' here who accept me for who I am in this virtual forum. By being open with you all, I have learned a great deal about heterosexual acceptances and even racial acceptances from 'you.' And to that end, I try my 'best' to keep this real and from my heart.
And so I am a black/homosexual/Christian/abstinent for 30 years now man. . . respectively who tries to respect everybody and all I ask is that those who hate me/us try to do same. Even as they live their truth/s.
Understood, but this article is talking precisely about those groups like LGBT for free Palestine, or those in the LGBT community who join in the chants of “From the River to the Sea”, and other slogans that were coined by the same folks who chant “Death to Israel” and want to see it wiped from the globe.
How is showing support for violent Palestinian leaders, or shouting the same slogans as Hamas not many times worse than being a Log Cabin Republican when it comes to “standing up for their own”? In that case, what is wrong with calling those LGBT out for giving support to those violent groups and governments who actually do hate them and already have laws against homosexuality, some resulting in penalty of death? This article is simply making your same point but with another highly valid example.
And that is precisely what I like about you CB! Many of us here have learned a great deal from you as well. That is the way it should be. That is what forums such as this are for. Thanks for the honest discussion my friend.
Friend Freewill, as I stated above at 1.1:
Thus, I am not writing in 'support for violent Palestinian leaders' - not at all. I make this distinction (setting apart) in the comment above. What Log Cabin Republicans (homosexuals) do -lending their physical and moral support to the GOP when it is implementing programs that will depreciate and condemn LGBTQ people can be compared to what Muslim extremist do. . . were GOP policies allowed to run their 'full' course! Thank goodness, in this country there is push-back that 'checks' Christian extremist and a Constitution that will not allow religious DOGMAS to be law of the land!
When I write in support of Palestinians, I do not write in support of HAMAS or any group of violent extremists, I write in support of INNOCENT people—everywhere. Because their lives matter. . . even as mine matters to me or say, my dear Mother's life matters to me.
War assumes too much when it allows nations to commit 'wholesale' murder under the guise of searching to find peace. That is a significant difference than supporting violence and those committing it.
Thank you for your kind comments about me. I really appreciate it. It inspires me too-to be more understanding, pliable-where I can be, and to 'listen' to what others share.
This opinion article was written in an attempt to claim some demented type of legitimacy for people marching under the racist UKIN banner.
What next? The framing of white nationalism as a net positive for the US?
Millions of people think so.
Things are going swimmingly...