He will now claim that he has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
He can claim anything. The only thing that is important is the reason that a true patriot of the Venezuelan people gave it to him because she said he deserved it:
I'm sure that many people in her country as well as the people of Iran might agree.
As to Trump keeping it as a memento, I think he should have told her that he appreciated the gesture, but she should keep it.
The award itself has long become politicized going back first to when Obama got it and fully cheapened when New York Times writers who pushed the Russia hoax received the award.
I will say this TiG, it was fun to watch the committee award members jump up and down screeching that it can't be transferred (especially to Trump). Lol!
I will say this TiG, it was fun to watch the committee award members jump up and down screeching that it can't be transferred (especially to Trump). Lol!
What a bizarre thing to say. There must something extra in the kool aid today.
An appropriate thing to have happened was Machado to say, "Mr President, I think you deserved this award just as much as I did", not to give him the friggin thing.
Trump didnt get the Nobel Peace Prize , and will never get a Nobel Prize because one of their criteria is that they must go to people of honor.
They already gave it to dishonorable people. They themselves are dishonorable. I agree on one thing: Trump will never get it, though he deserved it as the recent winner correctly pointed out.
The only thing that is important is the reason that a true patriot of the Venezuelan people gave it to him because she said he deserved it:
You do not realize that she is playing to a man-child? Her efforts will likely go in vain since Trump is unlikely to reciprocate.
As to Trump keeping it as a memento, I think he should have told her that he appreciated the gesture, but she should keep it.
Correct, that is what a normal human being would do. But this is quintessential Trump ... you know, the guy who routinely gives himself club champion awards and accolades. The guy is sick, Vic.
I will say this TiG, it was fun to watch the committee award members jump up and down screeching that it can't be transferred (especially to Trump). Lol!
How do you find this to be humorous? Trump —yet again—, as the face and voice of our nation because of people like you, has embarrassed us on the world stage.
The people who have turned the award into a joke. The people who awarded it to Obama for being black. The people who awarded it to reporters who lied to the American people.
The people who awarded it to Obama for being black .
A cynical, racist comment.
I disagree with their decision, but my reason is that I do not believe Obama had accomplished anything at that point to warrant the honor. I suspect they awarded it to him because of his message of unity and his ability to get elected on that message. That is insufficient IMO.
But I recognize that they did not award it to him because he is 'black'.
You ignore the entire list of laureates and focus on exceptions. Cherry-picking followed by extreme, cynical, exaggeration. What a surprise.
They have made some mistakes, IMO, over the years. Some laureates, such as Knut Hamsun, engaged in disgraceful acts after receiving the award. I do not blame these people for not being able to see the future or to understand the deep character of an individual. They make the award based on contemporary acts, not on a deep psychological analysis of the laureate.
Kinda like when Trump gave Rush Limbaugh the Medal of Freedom, basically turning every previously awarded Medal of Freedom into gumball machine costume jewelry.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world’s population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world’s leading spokesman . The Committee endorses Obama’s appeal that “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges. ”
Oslo, October 9, 2009
Press release.
In its explanation for giving Obama the award, the committee details: " For 108 years , the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world’s leading spokesman .
Now then, it is the Norwegian Nobel Committee's prize to render howsoever it wills - not so subset of [ ✘ ] that unjustifiably call any recipient of the award "scum" or worse.
What does it signify that Trump could not twist the committee to his will? That he should work harder to meet the SPIRIT and MERITS that are aspirational and meritorious for gaining it.
Brow-beating the committee to gain its award is not aspirational or meritorious!
Until Trump can put forth both spirit and merit suitable to the committee, it is justified in my mind to tell him to "Pound sand!"
Now you're calling me "racist," yet you can't explain why Obama got the award. As a matter of fact, even Obama didn't understand why he got it and had thoughts about not accepting:
“The morning the prize was announced, his staff investigated whether anyone had failed to travel to Oslo to receive their prize,” writes Nobel insider Geir Lundestad in “ The World’s Most Prestigious Prize ” (Oxford), out this month.
Apparently, the president was among the 61 percent of Americans who believed he didn’t deserve it.
Maybe they gave it to Obama for the same reason they didnt give it to Trump - he's not an asshole. The Nobel committee has said in no uncertain terms that character matters in their choices. Trump will never win a Nobel so he better wish actual recipients keep giving them to him.
I said you posted a racist comment . Stop attempting to play victim ... dishonestly. Pathetic.
Aside from calling me a "racist,"
And now you post that lie a second time. Get a grip.
How did he unify this country?
Message of unity. Read what I wrote: " I suspect they awarded it to him because of his message of unity and his ability to get elected on that message. " You quoted it; now read it.
Again, you choose intellectual dishonesty.
Oh ya, like Carter, Obama and Biden did.
You always run to ideology and partisanship. Pen a comment that is not based on bias steeped in ideology and partisanship.
If Trump deserved the Nobel Prize. . .the Nobel Prize Committee would have given it to him instead of now 'scandalous' Machado. In a contest where only one can win in a category. . . he 'lost' because he did not have the proper 'chops' to receive it. Only shameless Trump would make this a big deal in my lifetime.
Trump basically turning every previously awarded Medal of Freedom into gumball machine costume jewelry
those machines only take quarters. the machine trump has is one of those arcade crane games that only takes tokens that trump sells for a million dollars each, but yeah, the medals are cheap worthless junk now ...
Any decent honourable person would have gracefully refused it. It wouldn't surprise me if the Nobel Committee were to demand its return, and declare it to be valid only in the name of its intended original recipient.
It is not possible to revoke a Nobel Peace Prize. Neither Alfred Nobel’s will nor the Statutes of the Nobel Foundation mention any such possibility.
According to the Statutes of the Nobel Foundation, § 10, “No appeals may be made against the decision of a prize-awarding body with regard to the award of a prize”.
None of the prize awarding committees in Stockholm and Oslo has ever considered to revoke a prize once awarded.
As a matter of principle, the Norwegian Nobel Committee will not comment upon what the Peace Prize Laureates may say and do after they have been awarded the prize. The Committee’s mandate is restricted to evaluate the work and efforts of the nominated candidates up to the moment it is decided who shall be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for a given year.
A Nobel Prize can neither be revoked, shared, nor transferred to others. Once the announcement has been made, the decision stands for all time.
This does not prevent the Committee from following the future endeavors of laureates closely, even though it expresses neither its concerns nor its acclamation.
Machado has no authority to award the Peace Prize to Trump or anyone. She can give him the physical symbol, the monetary prize, but Trump does not get the honor of being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
But that will not stop the lying sack of shit. I just wonder if his supporters will go along with the predictable lies that will ensue.
Machado should be ashamed of herself! She cheapened her prize award and her legacy. . . by giving it away. Worse, we have a president so petty that he considers it an honor for her to 'give over' her highly value prize as some 'bargaining chip.' She broke with the spirit and intent of this (high) honor that the world holds in high regard!
So now, what will she do (and feel like) when Trump who now has a peace 'symbol' of sorts. . . goes on to formulate retribution and attack operations around the world? And by doing so puts on full display his disregard for her and the Nobel Prize committee?
She is playing a card for her nation. She recognizes that she is dealing with a man-child and offered him some candy in the hope he will return a favor and help Venezuela (in the way she would find helpful).
So that is the 'buy-in.' She gives Trump her medal with hope that he has the good grace to give her a presidency?! How rich is that. Is that like a king installing a. . . Queen? Or in regular vernacular: A president 'crowning' a new Sovereign?
How low the United States is sinking! Now we are trading presidencies for bearers of gifts! Shall Executive Vice President Delcy Rodríguez arrive with gift bearers and prostrate herself before the U.S. president next?
Trump is damaging our reputation but the only sinking is by him and his supporters.
Hopefully the number of people supporting Trump continues to dwindle. His poll numbers are in the toilet, but still too many Rs are stubbornly and blindly supporting this abysmal human being.
Let's hope so. Trump for his part is a risk-taker always looking for big 'pay-offs,' is betting on (another round of) burgeoning support coming by surprise in the mid-term results. To that end, we can definitely expect Trump to take to the CAMPAIGN TRAIL looking to achieve the results he wants. . . GOP control over house and senate. .. with him as 'king bee' at the top of a GOP federal system through 2028! Democrats would do well to remember to be flexible in striving with the GOP going forward. . . as when a 'creature' is struggling to survive, it will CONSUME/LIE/CHEAT/STEAL/'DO ANYTHING to stay in control of its power!
Trump is a hustler without any shame. He will undermine, backstab, sidestep, 'disembowel,' anybody that gets in the way of his peculiar and yet singular focus. Additionally, look for more PROMISES (smoke and mirror type) from Trump to INDEPENDENTS designed to persuade (sell) those individuals and groups to support him and not democrats.
The issue that other countries will 'document' across the next four years is this: The United States has an inherent problem: It's four year presidency term(s) can mean when the 'chips' are down this nation's citizens will elect a duplicitous leader, or set of leaders, ready and willing to backtrack on contracts, agreements, and terms. That is, in real-time, we, in the form of a GOP collective are displaying an unwillingness to proper guard our constitution for ourselves at-known guard the agreements we made with surrounding countries.
That is, Trump is a 'wild beast' terrorizing the world and 'nobody' is effective so far at politically contesting him. Thus, when nations feel these dynamics that are already happening to their nations, they would be naïve and irresponsible to keep entering long-term contracts with a country that is looking to the old ways of backstabbing them to get "America first!" (At their expense).
Machado should be ashamed of herself! She cheapened her prize award and her legacy. . . by giving it away. Worse, we have a president so petty that he considers it an honor for her to 'give over' her highly value prize as some 'bargaining chip.' She broke with the spirit and intent of this (high) honor that the world holds in high regard!
I don't disagree with anything you stated, but that being said I understand her reasons for doing so. She's basically hoping to trade a small award for the Venezuelan presidency
Machado should be ashamed of herself! She cheapened her prize award and her legacy. . . by giving it away.
When I was in Third grade, right before Halloween the teacher announced a contest. We were each supposed to write a short poem about Halloween. The kid who wrote the best poem would get a prize!
IIRC I don't think I had ever written a poem before (or after) that, but to my surprize I won the prize!
She never said anything about not giving it away, but now I'm thinking of giving it to Trump (hopefully in return for some sort of favor!)
I played golf on 1/2/xx once, since the snow disappears so quickly here. except for the cold, it was great. the fairways were frozen and so were the water traps, and it helped my game.
Do you remember when he was talking to a MOH recipient and the man had his medal with him and trmp said something like I would have liked to have one of those and the man gave it to him. I think. I'm trying to find a link for that
Lol took me a bit to figure out what MOH meant but yeah I remember that.. Like this incident it would have been proper to express appreciation but not accept it.
On another note I read that Denmark is thinking of giving him some made up Greenland honourary title in an effort to mollify him
Well, it would be diplomatically difficult to refuse the medal. Machado did win a Presidential election in Venezuela but was denied taking office. The gift of a peace medallion as a symbol of friendship between Venezuela and the United States would be a suitable diplomatic gesture. But the medal belongs to the people of the United States. The medal is not Trump's personal property.
The 'medal' is less than a 'participation' award. Machado has done what she had done. Trump can not receive any honor for having taken receipt of another's properly given award. The committee does not recognize Trump as its holder. Furthermore, if the committee is true to its policy on awarding the medal. . . weirdly, Trump may still be "in the running" to receive a (new and separate) prize decision from the Nobel Committee!
Then, Machado will not have her own to hold and possess. Trump will have 'two' - if he can yet get a justified prize awarded to himself.
Trump will have 'two' - if he can yet get a justified prize awarded to himself.
Actually it seems Trump seems to be believe he should get six Peace Prizes (as he feels he has ended 6 conflicts!)
As he touted his bona fides as the so-called “peacemaker-in-chief” during talks over Ukraine at the White House on Tuesday, Donald Trump made two big claims: that he wants peace deals instead of ceasefires, and that he has ended six wars since he became president.
weirdly, Trump may still be "in the running" to receive a (new and separate) prize decision from the Nobel Committee!
Trump seems to be good at this sort of thing! (After all. its a classic case of the art of the deal!)
And after he's finished having a few Peace Prize winners give him those medals-- why not expand his accomplishments? Why not find a way for a few winners of other awards gift them to him? (in return for just a few minor favours).
But why stop there? He could also obtain some of these:
For example, he could add the Oscar, Emmy, Grammy and Toni award to his collection! Then from Cannes-- Palme d'Or. Then BAFTA, SAG.
Does the Tribeca Film festival give awards-- now that Trump is so palsy with mayor Mandami, maybe they could arrange something!
But why stop there? He could also obtain some of these:
Many of these awards are gold (or at least gold-coloured)-- so they would look great with his collection of golden kitsch above the fireplace in the Oval Office.
Well, it would be diplomatically difficult to refuse the medal.
The medal was awarded to a certain individual in the eyes of the Committee. Therefore, it was not Machodo's to "diplomatically" offer to another world leader. The Nobel Committee makes the decision for its awards, not prize recipients. . . whom repackage and 're-gift' their own prize.
The medal was awarded to a certain individual in the eyes of the Committee. Therefore, it was not Machodo's to "diplomatically" offer to another world leader. The Nobel Committee makes the decision for its awards, not prize recipients . . . whom repackage and 're-gift' their own prize.
The medallion is not the prize. If Trump wanted a medallion he could have bought one.
Apparently, false 'wins' are real to Trump. He apparently sees value in falsely declaring himself the winner of golf tournaments. This is a guy who would cheat at Chess and deem himself a grandmaster. He is as performative as they come.
The Nobel Committee makes the decision for its awards, not prize recipients .
How many times has the committee made the decision as to who won the award-- and then when they decided the actual recepient ...the winner of the award and the person who they decided should receive it...were two different persons?
Apparently, false 'wins' are real to Trump. He apparently sees value in falsely declaring himself the winner of golf tournaments. This is a guy who would cheat at Chess and deem himself a grandmaster. He is as performative as they come.
Maria Machado dominated Trump. And Trump is so ignorant about how real diplomacy works that he doesn't realize it.
Maria Machado spent over two hours in a White House meeting with the President. Delcy Rodriguez has not been invited to the White House. So, who is the real leader of Venezuela?
Machado has been making overtures to the FANB. And the military leadership is beginning to take notice. We may see the military begin talking about holding elections before the year is out which would be backhanded support for Maria Machado. Machado outmaneuvered Trump by playing Trump. It was a sweet thing to watch.
You don't remember dancing in the street over the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago? I thought the general attitude of those on the left was that Joe Biden's Deep State did good.
Well, while its probably not the same value as the actual medal, Machado didn't walk out of there empty-handed. She was seen leaving with an official White House gift bag bearing Trump's signature in gold:
Focusing on the fluff and celebrity is so very Trump. Machado walked away as a peer to the President of the United States on the world stage. An official meeting of over two hours with the President of the United States is not a social call.
Vladimir Putin outmaneuvered Trump by playing Trump, too. Maria Machado did the same thing for a completely different reason.
Trump is easy. In the 'bad' old day, Trump would have been known as a cheap date.
A Nobel Peace Prize laureate receives two central symbols of the prize: a gold medal and a diploma. In addition, the prize money is awarded separately. Regardless of what may happen to the medal, the diploma, or the prize money, it is and remains the original laureate who is recorded in history as the recipient of the prize. Even if the medal or diploma later comes into someone else’s possession, this does not alter who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
A laureate cannot share the prize with others, nor transfer it once it has been announced. A Nobel Peace Prize can also never be revoked. The decision is final and applies for all time.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee does not see it as their role to engage in day-to-day commentary on Peace Prize laureates or the political processes that they are engaged in. The prize is awarded on the basis of the laureate' contributions by the time that the committee’s decision is taken.
The Committee does not comment on laureates’ subsequent statements, decisions, or actions. Any ongoing assessments or choices made by laureates must be understood as their own responsibility.
There are no restrictions in the statutes of the Nobel Foundation on what a laureate may do with the medal, the diploma, or the prize money. This means that a laureate is free to keep, give away, sell, or donate these items.
So what Ms. Machado has done by giving Trump her medal is give it away. . . and accomplishing an 'empty' gesture as far as officials are concerned. Trump has a TOKEN he can farther enrich himself with in his usual fashion of transactional dealings or display Machado's nobel peace prize as a ' consolation' gift as a 'forever' reminder of failing to measure up to meet the Norwegian Nobel Committee standard.
Mr. 'Merit' is shameless and will. . .well, do what with Machado's prize ?!
That is, as it stands at this writing. . . there will be no acknowledgement of Trump as receiving anything officially or having any mention of Trump in Norway as a laureate - not even with an asterisk.
My daughter has her state bowling champion trophy in a closet upstairs. I should send that along. We also have some soccer trophies in that same closet
I am packing up my high school debate team and "Mathlete" trophies as we speak. If it helps him make a cogent argument from time to time, or make a correct and honest calculation now and again, I'll happily give those up. I have a bunch of swimming trophies, medals, and ribbons as well, but it is too late as it would appear he is already drowning.
Oh and I also have a golf tournament trophy for "Most Gross", which seems like the perfect fit.
I believe you may be thinking of the toonie but it didn't have a hole in the middle it was made of two different metals. One formed the outer ring and the other filled the centre. Though I never saw it there was a rumour that in the early days the metal in the middle could separate from the outer ring
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
One can only wonder what kind of bizarre alternate reality exists in this man's mind.
He will now claim that he has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Of course he will.. Lying POS.
I hope she showed it to putin first ...
Trump got really excited because Putin offered him a shiny penny to destroy NATO.
trump's probably still negotiating for the payoff from china to look the other way on taiwan ...
He can claim anything. The only thing that is important is the reason that a true patriot of the Venezuelan people gave it to him because she said he deserved it:
"Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Corina Machado had a simple explanation for why she gifted President Trump her Nobel Peace Prize medal at the White House Thursday."
“Because he deserves it,” Machado told “Fox & Friends” during an interview that aired Friday morning. “And, um, it was a very emotional moment.”
Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado reveals why she gave Trump her Nobel Peace Prize medal | New York Post
I'm sure that many people in her country as well as the people of Iran might agree.
As to Trump keeping it as a memento, I think he should have told her that he appreciated the gesture, but she should keep it.
The award itself has long become politicized going back first to when Obama got it and fully cheapened when New York Times writers who pushed the Russia hoax received the award.
I will say this TiG, it was fun to watch the committee award members jump up and down screeching that it can't be transferred (especially to Trump). Lol!
What a bizarre thing to say. There must something extra in the kool aid today.
An appropriate thing to have happened was Machado to say, "Mr President, I think you deserved this award just as much as I did", not to give him the friggin thing.
Trump didnt get the Nobel Peace Prize , and will never get a Nobel Prize because one of their criteria is that they must go to people of honor.
They already gave it to dishonorable people. They themselves are dishonorable. I agree on one thing: Trump will never get it, though he deserved it as the recent winner correctly pointed out.
You do not realize that she is playing to a man-child? Her efforts will likely go in vain since Trump is unlikely to reciprocate.
Correct, that is what a normal human being would do. But this is quintessential Trump ... you know, the guy who routinely gives himself club champion awards and accolades. The guy is sick, Vic.
How do you find this to be humorous? Trump —yet again—, as the face and voice of our nation because of people like you, has embarrassed us on the world stage.
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Who are these 'lefties' who are scum?
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The people who have turned the award into a joke. The people who awarded it to Obama for being black. The people who awarded it to reporters who lied to the American people.
That must be why Trump thinks he is so deserving of it. A joke award for a creep. You must think he deserves it, too.
A cynical, racist comment.
I disagree with their decision, but my reason is that I do not believe Obama had accomplished anything at that point to warrant the honor. I suspect they awarded it to him because of his message of unity and his ability to get elected on that message. That is insufficient IMO.
But I recognize that they did not award it to him because he is 'black'.
You ignore the entire list of laureates and focus on exceptions. Cherry-picking followed by extreme, cynical, exaggeration. What a surprise.
They have made some mistakes, IMO, over the years. Some laureates, such as Knut Hamsun, engaged in disgraceful acts after receiving the award. I do not blame these people for not being able to see the future or to understand the deep character of an individual. They make the award based on contemporary acts, not on a deep psychological analysis of the laureate.
Kinda like when Trump gave Rush Limbaugh the Medal of Freedom, basically turning every previously awarded Medal of Freedom into gumball machine costume jewelry.
You crossed a line twice in this article. . . . Your views [✘] I will now fully realize and will not forget!
Press release
English
Norwegian
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world’s population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world’s leading spokesman . The Committee endorses Obama’s appeal that “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges. ”
Oslo, October 9, 2009
Press release.
In its explanation for giving Obama the award, the committee details: " For 108 years , the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world’s leading spokesman .
Now then, it is the Norwegian Nobel Committee's prize to render howsoever it wills - not so subset of [ ✘ ] that unjustifiably call any recipient of the award "scum" or worse.
What does it signify that Trump could not twist the committee to his will? That he should work harder to meet the SPIRIT and MERITS that are aspirational and meritorious for gaining it.
Brow-beating the committee to gain its award is not aspirational or meritorious!
Until Trump can put forth both spirit and merit suitable to the committee, it is justified in my mind to tell him to "Pound sand!"
Now you're calling me "racist," yet you can't explain why Obama got the award. As a matter of fact, even Obama didn't understand why he got it and had thoughts about not accepting:
“The morning the prize was announced, his staff investigated whether anyone had failed to travel to Oslo to receive their prize,” writes Nobel insider Geir Lundestad in “ The World’s Most Prestigious Prize ” (Oxford), out this month.
Apparently, the president was among the 61 percent of Americans who believed he didn’t deserve it.
Why Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize — and Trump never will | New York Post
Aside from calling me a "racist," you also claim that Obama won it because of his message:
"I suspect they awarded it to him because of his message of unity"
How did he unify this country?
They have made some mistakes, IMO, over the years.
Oh ya, like Carter, Obama and Biden did.
It's called ideology.
If it was that Biden and Harris would have got a special one
Maybe they gave it to Obama for the same reason they didnt give it to Trump - he's not an asshole. The Nobel committee has said in no uncertain terms that character matters in their choices. Trump will never win a Nobel so he better wish actual recipients keep giving them to him.
Keep it up. . . we are getting the 'full Vic" now.
I said you posted a racist comment . Stop attempting to play victim ... dishonestly. Pathetic.
And now you post that lie a second time. Get a grip.
Message of unity. Read what I wrote: " I suspect they awarded it to him because of his message of unity and his ability to get elected on that message. " You quoted it; now read it.
Again, you choose intellectual dishonesty.
You always run to ideology and partisanship. Pen a comment that is not based on bias steeped in ideology and partisanship.
“Because he deserves it,” Machado told “Fox & Friends” during an interview that aired Friday morning. “And, um, it was a very emotional moment.”
Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado reveals why she gave Trump her Nobel Peace Prize medal | New York Post
I'm sure that many people in her country as well as the people of Iran might agree.
Indeed! This a great day for all the people of Iran-- I'm sure there is great joy throughout the land!
Oooops-- I forgot whom I'm talking to, so let me clarify: my comment 1. 3. 19 was meant as sarcasm.
LOL Not true but keep telling yourself that. Trump was given his for being a pedophile.
He deserved it?
Yes-- that is what she said.
But I wonder if that's the real reason?
"The art of the deal" . . . a game that two people can play!!!
(#Transactionalism)
Friend Mr. Frost, there is no medal given blacks for being black. . . or, I would have one too!
So it's a lie being told by . . . .
If Trump deserved the Nobel Prize. . .the Nobel Prize Committee would have given it to him instead of now 'scandalous' Machado. In a contest where only one can win in a category. . . he 'lost' because he did not have the proper 'chops' to receive it. Only shameless Trump would make this a big deal in my lifetime.
I stole this from someone that thinks americans should still treat maga domestic terrorists fairly ...
those machines only take quarters. the machine trump has is one of those arcade crane games that only takes tokens that trump sells for a million dollars each, but yeah, the medals are cheap worthless junk now ...
Participant trophy awarded to keep the child from crying.
narcissists like to collect souvenirs to validate their hyperbole. it doesn't matter to them if they are earned or how they are acquired ...
Any decent honourable person would have gracefully refused it. It wouldn't surprise me if the Nobel Committee were to demand its return, and declare it to be valid only in the name of its intended original recipient.
Of course, but we have a low-life scumbag for a President, NOT a decent honorable person.
He's literally done NOTHING to earn one.
few maga can spell piece correctly, so it's probably just a misunderstanding over a typo ...
What I suppose the Nobel Committee could do is blacklist Trump, forbid his ever receiving the prize, for having accepted Machado's prize.
Machado has no authority to award the Peace Prize to Trump or anyone. She can give him the physical symbol, the monetary prize, but Trump does not get the honor of being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
But that will not stop the lying sack of shit. I just wonder if his supporters will go along with the predictable lies that will ensue.
They have already stated this publicly.
To me this is no different than the "Stolen Valor" incidents, while someone may may have purchased the award or medal doesn't mean they earned it
Machado should be ashamed of herself! She cheapened her prize award and her legacy. . . by giving it away. Worse, we have a president so petty that he considers it an honor for her to 'give over' her highly value prize as some 'bargaining chip.' She broke with the spirit and intent of this (high) honor that the world holds in high regard!
So now, what will she do (and feel like) when Trump who now has a peace 'symbol' of sorts. . . goes on to formulate retribution and attack operations around the world? And by doing so puts on full display his disregard for her and the Nobel Prize committee?
She is playing a card for her nation. She recognizes that she is dealing with a man-child and offered him some candy in the hope he will return a favor and help Venezuela (in the way she would find helpful).
I think she will be sorely disappointed.
So that is the 'buy-in.' She gives Trump her medal with hope that he has the good grace to give her a presidency?! How rich is that. Is that like a king installing a. . . Queen? Or in regular vernacular: A president 'crowning' a new Sovereign?
How low the United States is sinking! Now we are trading presidencies for bearers of gifts! Shall Executive Vice President Delcy Rodríguez arrive with gift bearers and prostrate herself before the U.S. president next?
Trump is damaging our reputation but the only sinking is by him and his supporters.
Hopefully the number of people supporting Trump continues to dwindle. His poll numbers are in the toilet, but still too many Rs are stubbornly and blindly supporting this abysmal human being.
Well, chances are there will be a lot fewer of them after November.
on the plus side, trump has identified the americans that don't support the US constitution. his supporters ...
Let's hope so. Trump for his part is a risk-taker always looking for big 'pay-offs,' is betting on (another round of) burgeoning support coming by surprise in the mid-term results.
To that end, we can definitely expect Trump to take to the CAMPAIGN TRAIL looking to achieve the results he wants. . . GOP control over house and senate. .. with him as 'king bee' at the top of a GOP federal system through 2028! Democrats would do well to remember to be flexible in striving with the GOP going forward. . . as when a 'creature' is struggling to survive, it will CONSUME/LIE/CHEAT/STEAL/'DO ANYTHING to stay in control of its power!
Trump is a hustler without any shame. He will undermine, backstab, sidestep, 'disembowel,' anybody that gets in the way of his peculiar and yet singular focus. Additionally, look for more PROMISES (smoke and mirror type) from Trump to INDEPENDENTS designed to persuade (sell) those individuals and groups to support him and not democrats.
The issue that other countries will 'document' across the next four years is this: The United States has an inherent problem: It's four year presidency term(s) can mean when the 'chips' are down this nation's citizens will elect a duplicitous leader, or set of leaders, ready and willing to backtrack on contracts, agreements, and terms. That is, in real-time, we, in the form of a GOP collective are displaying an unwillingness to proper guard our constitution for ourselves at-known guard the agreements we made with surrounding countries.
That is, Trump is a 'wild beast' terrorizing the world and 'nobody' is effective so far at politically contesting him. Thus, when nations feel these dynamics that are already happening to their nations, they would be naïve and irresponsible to keep entering long-term contracts with a country that is looking to the old ways of backstabbing them to get "America first!" (At their expense).
I don't disagree with anything you stated, but that being said I understand her reasons for doing so. She's basically hoping to trade a small award for the Venezuelan presidency
When I was in Third grade, right before Halloween the teacher announced a contest. We were each supposed to write a short poem about Halloween. The kid who wrote the best poem would get a prize!
IIRC I don't think I had ever written a poem before (or after) that, but to my surprize I won the prize!
She never said anything about not giving it away, but now I'm thinking of giving it to Trump (hopefully in return for some sort of favor!)
Maybe he will make you the Governor of Greenland.
The thought of that gives me the chills!
Good or bad chills?!
Good or bad chills?!
Whether good or bad, they are very, very cold chills!
(If Trump is thinking of taking it over and building Golf resorts there . . .I don;t think they will be sucessful.
Not a great climate (to put it mildly!)
People will have to learn how to golf in the snow and at temps well below freezing
I played golf on 1/2/xx once, since the snow disappears so quickly here. except for the cold, it was great. the fairways were frozen and so were the water traps, and it helped my game.
the ball would just bounce off that water
Do you remember when he was talking to a MOH recipient and the man had his medal with him and trmp said something like I would have liked to have one of those and the man gave it to him. I think. I'm trying to find a link for that
Lol took me a bit to figure out what MOH meant but yeah I remember that.. Like this incident it would have been proper to express appreciation but not accept it.
On another note I read that Denmark is thinking of giving him some made up Greenland honourary title in an effort to mollify him
This sounds like fun...making up titles for trmp
Well, it would be diplomatically difficult to refuse the medal. Machado did win a Presidential election in Venezuela but was denied taking office. The gift of a peace medallion as a symbol of friendship between Venezuela and the United States would be a suitable diplomatic gesture. But the medal belongs to the people of the United States. The medal is not Trump's personal property.
The 'medal' is less than a 'participation' award. Machado has done what she had done. Trump can not receive any honor for having taken receipt of another's properly given award. The committee does not recognize Trump as its holder. Furthermore, if the committee is true to its policy on awarding the medal. . . weirdly, Trump may still be "in the running" to receive a (new and separate) prize decision from the Nobel Committee!
Then, Machado will not have her own to hold and possess. Trump will have 'two' - if he can yet get a justified prize awarded to himself.
Actually it seems Trump seems to be believe he should get six Peace Prizes (as he feels he has ended 6 conflicts!)
As he touted his bona fides as the so-called “peacemaker-in-chief” during talks over Ukraine at the White House on Tuesday, Donald Trump made two big claims: that he wants peace deals instead of ceasefires, and that he has ended six wars since he became president.
Trump seems to be good at this sort of thing! (After all. its a classic case of the art of the deal!)
And after he's finished having a few Peace Prize winners give him those medals-- why not expand his accomplishments? Why not find a way for a few winners of other awards gift them to him? (in return for just a few minor favours).
But why stop there? He could also obtain some of these:
For example, he could add the Oscar, Emmy, Grammy and Toni award to his collection! Then from Cannes-- Palme d'Or. Then BAFTA, SAG.
Does the Tribeca Film festival give awards-- now that Trump is so palsy with mayor Mandami, maybe they could arrange something!
Many of these awards are gold (or at least gold-coloured)-- so they would look great with his collection of golden kitsch above the fireplace in the Oval Office.
Sure. If one has no shame - why not?
I thought it was 8
You might be right.
It might've been 6 at one point-- and jhe added 2 more while I wasn't looking!
The medal was awarded to a certain individual in the eyes of the Committee. Therefore, it was not Machodo's to "diplomatically" offer to another world leader. The Nobel Committee makes the decision for its awards, not prize recipients. . . whom repackage and 're-gift' their own prize.
The medallion is not the prize. If Trump wanted a medallion he could have bought one.
Apparently, false 'wins' are real to Trump. He apparently sees value in falsely declaring himself the winner of golf tournaments. This is a guy who would cheat at Chess and deem himself a grandmaster. He is as performative as they come.
Good point. Thanks for pointing out for consideration (and understanding) that the medal can be bought!
How many times has the committee made the decision as to who won the award-- and then when they decided the actual recepient ...the winner of the award and the person who they decided should receive it...were two different persons?
Maria Machado dominated Trump. And Trump is so ignorant about how real diplomacy works that he doesn't realize it.
Maria Machado spent over two hours in a White House meeting with the President. Delcy Rodriguez has not been invited to the White House. So, who is the real leader of Venezuela?
Machado has been making overtures to the FANB. And the military leadership is beginning to take notice. We may see the military begin talking about holding elections before the year is out which would be backhanded support for Maria Machado. Machado outmaneuvered Trump by playing Trump. It was a sweet thing to watch.
But I doubt that Trump will deliver what she wants. Trump typically does not deliver the quo.
successful fraud and larceny among the wealthy is a form of establishing rank or status within their sub-culture ...
... uh, yeah, good luck with that one.
The Federal government has reclaimed public property before.
... mostly prior to 2016.
You don't remember dancing in the street over the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago? I thought the general attitude of those on the left was that Joe Biden's Deep State did good.
I remember when people served time in prison for the theft of top secret materials, and/or were executed for sharing those materials with others ...
And who's got the balls ...
obviously not many on the maga side of the aisles in the house or senate ...
It doesn;t belong to anyone but Machado!
Focusing on the fluff and celebrity is so very Trump. Machado walked away as a peer to the President of the United States on the world stage. An official meeting of over two hours with the President of the United States is not a social call.
Vladimir Putin outmaneuvered Trump by playing Trump, too. Maria Machado did the same thing for a completely different reason.
Trump is easy. In the 'bad' old day, Trump would have been known as a cheap date.
LOL, way too large ...
It won't be used
stolen ... but way too funny not to post ...
I need some fucking brain bleach to get that image out of my head!
The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable
A Nobel Peace Prize laureate receives two central symbols of the prize: a gold medal and a diploma. In addition, the prize money is awarded separately. Regardless of what may happen to the medal, the diploma, or the prize money, it is and remains the original laureate who is recorded in history as the recipient of the prize. Even if the medal or diploma later comes into someone else’s possession, this does not alter who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
A laureate cannot share the prize with others, nor transfer it once it has been announced. A Nobel Peace Prize can also never be revoked. The decision is final and applies for all time.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee does not see it as their role to engage in day-to-day commentary on Peace Prize laureates or the political processes that they are engaged in. The prize is awarded on the basis of the laureate' contributions by the time that the committee’s decision is taken.
The Committee does not comment on laureates’ subsequent statements, decisions, or actions. Any ongoing assessments or choices made by laureates must be understood as their own responsibility.
There are no restrictions in the statutes of the Nobel Foundation on what a laureate may do with the medal, the diploma, or the prize money. This means that a laureate is free to keep, give away, sell, or donate these items.
The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable - Nobel Peace Prize
So what Ms. Machado has done by giving Trump her medal is give it away. . . and accomplishing an 'empty' gesture as far as officials are concerned. Trump has a TOKEN he can farther enrich himself with in his usual fashion of transactional dealings or display Machado's nobel peace prize as a ' consolation' gift as a 'forever' reminder of failing to measure up to meet the Norwegian Nobel Committee standard.
Mr. 'Merit' is shameless and will. . .well, do what with Machado's prize ?!
That is, as it stands at this writing. . . there will be no acknowledgement of Trump as receiving anything officially or having any mention of Trump in Norway as a laureate - not even with an asterisk.
My daughter has her state bowling champion trophy in a closet upstairs. I should send that along. We also have some soccer trophies in that same closet
I am packing up my high school debate team and "Mathlete" trophies as we speak. If it helps him make a cogent argument from time to time, or make a correct and honest calculation now and again, I'll happily give those up. I have a bunch of swimming trophies, medals, and ribbons as well, but it is too late as it would appear he is already drowning.
Oh and I also have a golf tournament trophy for "Most Gross", which seems like the perfect fit.
Maybe this guy can donate some of his medals to the cause.
this would be even better
its for first place - trump will have to have it
I had a couple of first place ribbons for the pigs I showed. I don't know what happened to them
... they were probably eaten.
The pigs..or the medals?
fun with semantics ...
And then came the Olympic medals. . . .
trump's a lock for world class championship asshole ...
the prize medal could look like one of those canadian coins with a hole in the middle, only bigger ...
One can only imagine what that trophy looks like!
?? Lol canadian coins don't have a hole in the middle (unless I really haven't been paying attention)
they were called loonies or something. last time I held one was almost 2 decades ago, so I could be wrong.
... maybe it was a coin with a copper center, I dunno, I was always pretty fucked up in canada on business trips.
I believe you may be thinking of the toonie but it didn't have a hole in the middle it was made of two different metals. One formed the outer ring and the other filled the centre. Though I never saw it there was a rumour that in the early days the metal in the middle could separate from the outer ring