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Donald Trump (yet again) proves there's no bottom with his Colin Powell statement

  
Via:  Trout Giggles  •  3 years ago  •  96 comments

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Donald Trump (yet again) proves there's no bottom with his Colin Powell statement
Roughly 24 hours after the death of Colin Powell, Donald Trump proved, again, that he is utterly incapable of empathy, grace or even common decency.

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Most of the surviving POTUSes had nothing but good words to say (I didn't see a statement from Jimmy Carter in the piece) but this piece of shit just has no class


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Roughly 24 hours after the death of Colin Powell, Donald Trump proved, again, that he is utterly incapable of empathy, grace or even common decency.

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"Wonderful to see Colin Powell, who made big mistakes on Iraq and famously, so-called weapons of mass destruction, be treated in death so beautifully by the Fake News Media," Trump said in a statement released Tuesday morning. "Hope that happens to me someday. He was a classic RINO, if even that, always being the first to attack other Republicans. He made plenty of mistakes, but anyway, may he rest in peace!"

"But anyway, may he rest in peace!" Yes, Trump really said that.

The gulf between Trump's statement and that of other former presidents on Powell's passing is simply massive.

"Laura and I are deeply saddened by the death of Colin Powell," said George W. Bush. "He was a great public servant, starting with his time as a soldier during Vietnam."

"He lived the promise of America, and spent a lifetime working to help our country, especially our young people, live up to its own ideals and noblest aspirations at home and around the world," said Bill Clinton.

What Trump's statement should remind us is that this is a man uniquely self-obsessed -- and without any ability to see beyond himself.

Powell was openly critical of Trump -- he voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Joe Biden in 2020 -- and of the dark direction the billionaire businessman was leading the country. And so, Trump saw Powell's death as an opportunity to get back at him -- and took it.

This is, in a word, classless. In two words: Utterly classless.

It also puts to lie Trump's regularly repeated assertion that he loves the military more than any other president has ever loved the military.

Powell was an highly decorated soldier and served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the first Gulf War. While there's no question that his argument that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction as a way to justify the second war in Iraq was a stain on his legacy, it's just as clear that this is a man who gave the vast majority of his adult life to service to the country.

No one should be surprised by this latest degradation of what it means to be a president by Trump. He spent four years in office defining the job downward. That some people will applaud Trump's trolling of a dead man is, perhaps, his most toxic legacy.

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Trout Giggles
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1  seeder  Trout Giggles    3 years ago

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Veronica
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1.1  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    3 years ago

HEY!!!!!  Your "seeded content" link worked.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @1.1    3 years ago

yay me!

At least I can do something right

 
 
 
Veronica
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1.1.2  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.1    3 years ago

Hell, you do lots right - you pulled in a trout recently.  jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.3  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @1.1.2    3 years ago

A big one, too!

 
 
 
Veronica
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1.1.4  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.3    3 years ago

I saw how big....

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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1.1.5  Duck Hawk  replied to  Veronica @1.1.2    3 years ago

Grats!! I've yet to catch any trout while fly fishing... Might have to go to Twin Lakes and try up there, lol.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Duck Hawk @1.1.5    3 years ago

you better hurry, otherwise you'll be putting tiny ice skates on those flies...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2  TᵢG    3 years ago
Most of the surviving POTUSes had nothing but good words to say (I didn't see a statement from Jimmy Carter in the piece) but this piece of shit just has no class

Well said.

What does it take for people to comprehend that Trump has an abysmal character?   How could anyone want such a miserable human being as PotUS?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
2.1  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @2    3 years ago

Maybe because some of his supporters are miserable human beings too?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1    3 years ago

Demonstrably, but that does not explain why so many continue to support this asshole.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
2.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.1    3 years ago

Oh, I thought that did explain why. jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

It's the only explanation I can think of.

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
Freshman Silent
2.1.3  Duck Hawk  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.2    3 years ago

You mean it's not? I thought they have demonstrated why they are called deplorables. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.2    3 years ago

To be clear, there are plenty of people who are not assholes who still support Trump.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
2.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.4    3 years ago

I know. I was being a bit facetious. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
2.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  Duck Hawk @2.1.3    3 years ago

What's sad is they take pride in that. I suppose some have no shame.

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
3  Veronica    3 years ago
This is, in a word, classless. In two words: Utterly classless.

I cannot put it better.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4  JBB    3 years ago

Trump's mental processes are so abhorrent I cannot fathom why everyone is not repulsed by him...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
4.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JBB @4    3 years ago

Because most of them are just like him.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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5  Colour Me Free    3 years ago

An article needed to be written about this?  Is anyone shocked after the things he said about McCain? 

I keep hoping the press will ignore him .. but no the press continues to spread his toxicity as if it was news worthy -- to him all the press is an ego boost!

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
5.1  Veronica  replied to  Colour Me Free @5    3 years ago

Why should they ignore him & not show him in his true light when he is putting himself forward for a run in 2024.  The more SANE people see him for what he is the less support he will garner & hopefully force the Republican party to nominate a competent candidate.  Only those that want to hide what he is wants to sweep all his shit under the rug.  Those that voted for him in 2016 cuz Hillary and didn't realize then what a pestilence he was & now you all want him to disappear & want the media to ignore his nastiness.  Guess what UNTIL the Republicans rebuke this piece of shit the media needs to keep showing him for his ignorance, nastiness & egocentrism.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Veronica @5.1    3 years ago

You totally nailed it Veronica. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Veronica @5.1    3 years ago

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Colour Me Free
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5.1.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Veronica @5.1    3 years ago
 Those that voted for him in 2016 cuz Hillary and didn't realize then what a pestilence he was [&] now you all want him to disappear [&] want the media to ignore his nastiness.

Voted for him?  Now you all?  blah blah  I never voted for the puke, have NO clue who 'you all' are.. but I do know that it is offensive to be lumped into a group with a general sweep of the same broom that the shit 'you all' supposedly want swept under the rug

I want him to be ignored because the press only assists to embolden his nastiness further.  Attacking him only serves to continue to keep him relevant, a victim of the 'liberal press' .. blah blah  .. 'you all' think his supporters are a 'stupid' basket of deplorables ..   and do not hesitate to comment on it, thus once again creating victims that dig their heals into a 'us against the world' mentality  

Guess what UNTIL the Republicans rebuke this piece of shit the media needs to keep showing him for his ignorance, nastiness [&] egocentrism.

Amen!  but guess what, the media is too biased and alternatives are then sought out to fit the narrative the 'you alls' want to hear .. vicious cycle .. 

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Veronica
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5.1.4  Veronica  replied to  Colour Me Free @5.1.3    3 years ago
it was not my intent to raise your blood pressure!

There's a taunt.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.6  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to    3 years ago

It is a valued voice. But I don't understand coming to a seed just to ask "why are you seeding this?"

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
5.1.7  Colour Me Free  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.6    3 years ago
"why are you seeding this?"

Just to clear the air Mrs G ... I was not questioning the seeding of the article, I was questioning the press making his comments news - every spiteful thing the former president has to say becomes headline news...

Peace Mrs G .. was not my intent to ruffle any feathers, my feathers are certainly not ruffled .. but what do you want someone to think when you state

With all due respect, I don't appreciate when someone makes a comment such as yours on my seed. You have the right, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

You misunderstood my comments intent .. yet did not say 'hey what the hell do you mean?' ..... I reacted without thinking first ..!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.9  CB  replied to  Colour Me Free @5.1.3    3 years ago
Attacking him only serves to continue to keep him relevant, a victim of the 'liberal press' .. blah blah  .. 'you all' think his supporters are a 'stupid' basket of deplorables ..   and do not hesitate to comment on it, thus once again creating victims that dig their heals into a 'us against the world' mentality  

It's like a double-edged sword being wielded by Trump and the Media - cutting both ways. Donald Trump is shameless; and, he most be exposed as shameless so the public has sufficient 'background' and context as why he is a horrid man and dangerously 'lippy' politician.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Veronica @5.1    3 years ago
Guess what UNTIL the Republicans rebuke this piece of shit

To be fair, several have. Some have been “never-Trump” from the beginning, while others saw the light over time. Unfortunately, there remains a vacuum of Republican leaders ready to step in as an alternative. Basically, he keeps getting play because no one else wants the job.

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
5.1.11  Veronica  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.10    3 years ago
Basically, he keeps getting play because no one else wants the job.

And to me that is so sad.  

I do get what you are saying.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.12  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Colour Me Free @5.1.7    3 years ago

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I apologize for my part in our little tiff. I certainly don't want to make an enemy of you...I've got plenty of those here.

It's all good. Thanks for explaining what you meant.

Peace

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
5.1.13  Colour Me Free  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.12    3 years ago
I certainly don't want to make an enemy of you...

Could not happen .. things happen in the heat of the moment, 'we' all misunderstand, do not word things the best way possible .. feel the need to defend ourselves - nature of the beast!   Once a deep breath can be taken .. I will always happily sit down to have drinks and dinner with you!

I've got plenty of those here.

HA!   I seem to have misplaced my Halo as well ...  : )

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.14  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to    3 years ago

Thank-you, rtb. I certainly didn't want to put you in the middle

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.16  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to    3 years ago

I will be standing right next to you...on your left. But so close you couldn't slide a piece of paper between us.

I appreciate your contributions, also

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.18  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.14    3 years ago

... ugh. this seed needs several more deletions. I really hate sitting on my hands when so many fools need to see their online efforts wasted.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.19  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @5.1.18    3 years ago

It's all cool

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.20  Jack_TX  replied to  Veronica @5.1    3 years ago
Why should they ignore him & not show him in his true light when he is putting himself forward for a run in 2024.

Riiiight.  Because that worked so well all through 2015 and 2016....

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
5.1.21  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Veronica @5.1    3 years ago

They should tell him in the final hour of Biden's term that he did win which makes him ineligible to run for a third term.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Colour Me Free @5    3 years ago

What Veronica said.

With all due respect, I don't appreciate when someone makes a comment such as yours on my seed. You have the right, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I think that if the only comment one has is to ask "why is this being seeded?", then why bother commenting?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2    3 years ago

I just removed my comment as it mirrored CMF's.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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5.2.2  Colour Me Free  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2    3 years ago

[deleted]

[that comment was totally not necessary]

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
5.2.3  Veronica  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.2.1    3 years ago

So you agree that if everyone ignores him he will go away.  That will never happen.  And I want everyone to know the shit he spews, why because people like my niece think he is just misunderstood.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Colour Me Free @5.2.2    3 years ago

That's not TG was getting at.  But I think you know that.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.5  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.4    3 years ago

It wasn't but apparently I'm good at ruffling feathers this morning

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  Veronica @5.2.3    3 years ago

It is amazing, is it not, how many people can block out the portions of reality they wish were not true?

Just fascinating (and sad).

What does Trump have to do to cause these millions of supporters to see that he is an abysmal character who cares only about himself and seems to enjoy being a total prick to others?

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
5.2.7  Veronica  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.6    3 years ago
block out the portions of reality

Which is why I believe this crap he spews needs to be shoved in their face until they see that they are supporting a narcissist that will do nothing that doesn't benefit him & him alone.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  Veronica @5.2.7    3 years ago

Absolutely.   If Trump is out in public making statements then he needs to be countered.   If people do not counter crap the crap is accepted as truth.

What is amazing is that even when the crap is unbelievable bullshit and is countered, millions still believe it. 

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
5.2.9  Veronica  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.8    3 years ago
bullshit and is countered, millions still believe it. 

I know, I just do not understand.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.2.10  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.5    3 years ago

Did Mr. Giggles make it to the Alotian Golf Club to watch the Ladies College Tournament?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
5.2.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Veronica @5.2.3    3 years ago

He won't go away even if ignored.  As I was not sure what part of his comment was objectionable, I just decided to delete mine all together.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.12  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @5.2.10    3 years ago

Is this you changing the subject? LOL!

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
5.2.13  Veronica  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.2.11    3 years ago

I'm sorry - just a tad touchy today.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.2.14  Gsquared  replied to  Veronica @5.2.3    3 years ago
people like my niece think he is just misunderstood

Apparently he is misunderstood, by people like your niece.  Unfortunate.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
5.2.15  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Veronica @5.2.13    3 years ago

No worries.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Colour Me Free @5    3 years ago

They play right into his hands, he does this with malice aforethought....to keep the faithful stirred up.

Hope I'm still here to see his obituary

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Greg Jones @5.3    3 years ago

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[stay off my seeds Greg and never tell me to calm down in my own seed again]

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
5.3.2  Colour Me Free  replied to  Greg Jones @5.3    3 years ago
They play right into his hands, he does this with malice aforethought....to keep the faithful stirred

That is how I see it .. apparently that is the wrong way to look at it ..

Yep .. [deleted]

[thought you weren't commenting any more]

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.3.5  Greg Jones  replied to    3 years ago

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Hallux
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5.4  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @5    3 years ago
I keep hoping the press will ignore him ..

Once again, Hope is the last thing to leave Pandora's box and the 'Gods' put her there as the final ball-kicker. Learn to live with it, Trump and all of his ists 'n isms will be around long after he, you and I are dusty dandelion pushers. If he is running again in 2024, and it certainly looks like it, he is news that should not be dismissed purely because you, I or some are tired of him. The surfeit of ennui he arouses alone is ample reason to mock him to death.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
5.4.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @5.4    3 years ago

[sigh]  

I know you speak truth .. but I certainly hope that truth turns to fiction SOON!  2024 should be open for people like Nikki Haley .. or someone that loves the country, and the people .. not the same old disaster repeated ..  this nation is so divided .. !

Yep .. Hope is all I have left!  Pandora even knew it was important and tried to keep it!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
5.4.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Hallux @5.4    3 years ago

Sometimes I think that my husband dying was a saving grace.  At least he no longer has to live through this nightmare our country has become all thanks to Trump and his army of ass kissers at the highest level of government.  Hopefully my time here is also short lived.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.4.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.4.2    3 years ago

Trumpism is the worst thing to happen to the United States (with the exception of 9/11) since ww2. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.4.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.3    3 years ago

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Moose Knuckle
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5.4.5  Moose Knuckle  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.3    3 years ago

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CB
Professor Principal
5.4.6  CB  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.4.2    3 years ago

Please don't despair of life because of Donald J. Trump. We will defeat this idiot and his lying acolytes. We have no choice. Rededicate yourself, dear Paula and do not despair! (Smile.)

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
5.4.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @5.4.6    3 years ago

Lately when I wake up, my first thought is..."Damn it.  I'm still here."

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.8  CB  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.4.7    3 years ago

I'mma gonna give you something to think about (don't let the "God" aspect in the song get you down): Just be 'uplifted, Paula!

Kirk Franklin - I Smile (Video)

Some things are more important than this other stuff we involve ourselves in. Mental wellness, dear Paula!

 
 
 
KatPen
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5.4.9  KatPen  replied to  CB @5.4.8    3 years ago

Thank you for sharing that, CB !!    

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.10  CB  replied to  KatPen @5.4.9    3 years ago

♪♫ I smile. . . Oh, oh, oh! ♪♪

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
7  Tacos!    3 years ago

A person dies - especially someone who was a public servant - and it’s time to try to find something positive to say. If you can’t do that, then maybe STFU.

I am a person who would praise Colin Powell in these days, but I understand not everyone will share that opinion. That’s fine. But you don’t need to shit on him the very day that he dies.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8  CB    3 years ago

Uncover and expose that miserable freak Donald J. Trump: NOW! Stop cradling that evil-doer, Donald J. Trump. C'mon republicans and conservatives, if you like Colin Powell push back and make it count!

We were SUPPOSED to find out so much about deceptive, malicious, and criminal activities of the Trump tax returns, what's hidden on the secret White House servers vis-a-vis Ukraine, the correct purposes of the Mueller Report, and more. . .

. . .and all that is happening is congress and maybe NY Southern District 'dickin' around with papers and squandering precious time!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
8.1  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @8    3 years ago
Uncover and expose that miserable freak Donald J. Trump: NOW! Stop cradling that evil-doer, Donald J. Trump. C'mon republicans and conservatives, if you like Colin Powell push back and make it count!

Uncover?

It's not that people don't know what he is.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.1.1  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @8.1    3 years ago

Then proper people should act like they know what Donald Trump is. No more games with this 'walking' ham-fisted predator.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
8.1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @8.1.1    3 years ago
Then proper people should act like they know what Donald Trump is. No more games with this 'walking' ham-fisted predator.

How?  What behaviors do you expect?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.1.3  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @8.1.2    3 years ago

What behaviors? Decency for starts. Modeling. Civility. Openness.  Lastly, the same (or better) behaviors you would want from me were I a political leader.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
8.1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @8.1.3    3 years ago
What behaviors? Decency for starts. Modeling. Civility. Openness.  Lastly, the same (or better) behaviors you would want from me were I a political leader.

To be clear, are you talking about individual citizens or political leaders?

I think tens of millions of individual citizens do exactly what you describe.  We just don' hear about them as much because civil behavior rarely makes the news.

If we're talking about political leaders, they're in a tough spot.  A lot of the ones who displayed the behaviors you describe are now out of office...on both ends of the political spectrum.

So yeah....I agree completely that's how they should behave.  But I'm not sure how much good they can do if they lose the primaries.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
9  Jack_TX    3 years ago
Then proper people should act like they know what Donald Trump is. No more games with this 'walking' ham-fisted predator.

How?  What behaviors do you expect?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1  TᵢG  replied to  Jack_TX @9    3 years ago

Instead of ‘expect’ I would use ‘prefer’.  

I would prefer that people not pretend that Trump is honest or that he has the character to be a PotUS;  not behave as though what he claims is truth;  not behave as sycophants who “love” him while claiming he was one of our greatest presidents;  not campaign for his return;  and, in particular, not support the outrageous Big Lie that our electoral system is so flawed that it could allow the presidency to be won through a rigging that left no credible evidence.

I would prefer the R party rid itself of the Trump cancer and pick at least a halfway decent human being to be their spokesperson / leader.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
9.1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  TᵢG @9.1    3 years ago
I would prefer that people not pretend that Trump is honest or that he has the character to be a PotUS;  not behave as though what he claims is truth;  not behave as sycophants who “love” him while claiming he was one of our greatest presidents;  not campaign for his return;  and, in particular, not support the outrageous Big Lie that our electoral system is so flawed that it could allow the presidency to be won through a rigging that left no credible evidence.

I'm not sure they're pretending.  I think many of them believe those things to be the case.

I would prefer the R party rid itself of the Trump cancer and pick at least a halfway decent human being to be their spokesperson / leader.

As would I, but given the free press he gets, that's not a simple task.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.1    3 years ago
I'm not sure they're pretending.  I think many of them believe those things to be the case.

Those who genuinely believe Trump are, IMO, hopelessly stupid (politically);  those who are pretending for partisan reasons (not even remotely admirable) at least have the means to change their behavior.

As would I, but given the free press he gets, that's not a simple task.

They are proving their critics correct by continuing to support Trump.   They are willfully screwing themselves because they believe supporting Trump is in their short term best interests (and I think that is a mistake too).

 
 
 
Gordy327
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9.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.2    3 years ago
hopelessly stupid (politically)

I wouldn't limit it to just politically. I'd bet it filters through to most other aspects too.

those who are pretending for partisan reasons (not even remotely admirable) at least have the means to change their behavior.

Maybe. But it's still dishonest at its core.

they believe supporting Trump is in their short term best interests

Short term may be all they're capable of thinking about. Kind of like instant gratification without considering other possible effects.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.4  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.1    3 years ago

Wow! That's some tippy-toeing going on right there! We are often told some conservatives and their 'friends' are straight talkers, this is not that.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.5  Jack_TX  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.2    3 years ago
Those who genuinely believe Trump are, IMO, hopelessly stupid (politically);  those who are pretending for partisan reasons (not even remotely admirable) at least have the means to change their behavior.

I would allow for some amount of plain ignorance in the former group.  Some are stupid, many are at least educable, but it's difficult for them to understand what to believe.

I concur on the latter group.

I'm not sure where the "I have a nursing degree and damned well know better but I'm not going to get vaccinated because it's a socialist conspiracy" people fit in.  Ostensibly you don't get a college degree if you're stupid, but my God.

They are proving their critics correct by continuing to support Trump.   They are willfully screwing themselves because they believe supporting Trump is in their short term best interests (and I think that is a mistake too).

I've heard it said that government is about surviving until the next century, but politics is about surviving until next week.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.6  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.4    3 years ago
Wow! That's some tippy-toeing going on right there! We are often told some conservatives and their 'friends' are straight talkers, this is not that.

I'm not exactly sure what part of that is not straight talk.  

I'd love to see Trump fuck off out of the Republican party to somewhere I'd never have to hear about him again.  Unfortunately, he's a spectacle and gets as much free media publicity as the sitting president.  It's difficult to dislodge somebody like that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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9.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.5    3 years ago
"I have a nursing degree and damned well know better but I'm not going to get vaccinated because it's a socialist conspiracy"

That is why I qualified with 'politically' stupid.   As Gordy notes, many of these people are likely stupid in more ways than simply politics, but at the very least it seems (to me) safe to say that anyone who actually believes what Trump says is politically stupid.

Also, it is amazing to behold what people will believe based on conformist thinking.

I've heard it said that government is about surviving until the next century, but politics is about surviving until next week.  

Inherently short-term focused and highly related to the direct benefit to the politician.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.8  Jack_TX  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.7    3 years ago
That is why I qualified with 'politically' stupid.   As Gordy notes, many of these people are likely stupid in more ways than simply politics, but at the very least it seems (to me) safe to say that anyone who actually believes what Trump says is politically stupid.

I think I tend to lean with Gordy on this one.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.1.9  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.6    3 years ago
'd love to see Trump fuck off out of the Republican party to somewhere I'd never have to hear about him again.

I vote for Antarctica...or Mars

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.10  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.1.9    3 years ago
I vote for Antarctica...or Mars

I'm not sure that's far enough.  

I don't really want to see a golf course and casino in either of those places.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.1.11  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.10    3 years ago

fair enough

lol

 
 
 
Tessylo
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10  Tessylo    3 years ago

Hackers broke into Donald Trump's upcoming social-media site, creating fake accounts for Trump and Steve Bannon and posting a photo of a defecating pig

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devangelical
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10.1  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @10    3 years ago

just like most everything else, those fucking morons are decades behind in IT too.

 
 

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