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Multiple Sources Claim AT&T Is Complying With Jan 6th Committee, Turning Over Cell Phone Data And Marjorie Taylor Greene Is Not Happy

  
Via:  Trout Giggles  •  3 years ago  •  127 comments

By:   PoliTribune (Political Tribune)

Multiple Sources Claim AT&T Is Complying With Jan 6th Committee, Turning Over Cell Phone Data And Marjorie Taylor Greene Is Not Happy
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While Trump's people are continually refusing to cooperate with the numerous subpoenas being issued by the House Select Committee that's currently deep into their investigation of the January 6th Capitol riot, it seems the phone company, AT&T is all too happy to comply with the committee's legal requests, according to multiple sources who have reported on the subject on Twitter.

And it seems Georgia's GOP House Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene may be one of many that's soon to pay for it.

Popular writer and filmmaker Chip Franklin took to Twitter early this afternoon to report that AT&T has officially complied with the subpoena issued to them by the House Select Committee, and has subsequently turned over cell phone data hailing from various congresspeople and individuals who may have been present at or involved with the insurrection in some way:


BOOM! AT&T turns over cell phone data to the January 6 Committee and Marjorie Taylor Greene isn't happy.

How do you feel?

— Chip Franklin.com (@chipfranklin) December 7, 2021

In his tweet, Franklin references Marjorie Taylor Greene's allegedly emotional state in the wake of the big news. But lo and behold, we don't have to rely on Chip's take on the matter.

Greene herself corroborated that notion for us with a tweet of her own.

"AT&T complying with Democrat's Communist style invasion of privacy by handing over peoples personal cell phone data to the fake J6 committee is the absolute worst unconstitutional mistake!!!" Greene fumed on Twitter. "Democrats MUST pay a steep price and I will work with my colleagues to make it happen."


AT&T complying with Democrat's Communist style invasion of privacy by handing over peoples personal cell phone data to the fake J6 committee is the absolute worst unconstitutional mistake!!!

Democrats MUST pay a steep price and I will work with my colleagues to make it happen.

— Marjorie Taylor Greene (@mtgreenee) December 7, 2021

It seems Greene knows damn good and well that her time skirting repercussions and justice while running her mouth from the rooftops is just about over. I have no authority to say what the January 6th Committee is soon to find, if anything.

All I know is, people don't get that angry over something that wouldn't/shouldn't negatively affect them.

Seems to me Greene just knows she's screwed.


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Trout Giggles
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1  seeder  Trout Giggles    3 years ago

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Trout Giggles
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2  seeder  Trout Giggles    3 years ago

I don't think she'll look good in orange

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    3 years ago

She looks like a dude. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @2.1    3 years ago

I really do think she spent some time at Parris Island

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.1    3 years ago

I really do think she spent some time at Parris Island

LOL! Not even the sand fleas would touch that. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.1    3 years ago

She is lucky she never got assigned to my father who was a DI there.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.2    3 years ago
Not even the sand fleas would touch that. 

The bed bugs demanded the sheets be changed after she stayed at a local rundown motel...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.4    3 years ago

The bed bugs demanded the sheets be changed after she stayed at a local rundown motel...

When it comes to MTG, even bed bugs have standards. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    3 years ago
I don't think she'll look good in orange

Orange is the color for trumpists....

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MrFrost
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3  MrFrost    3 years ago

Well, if MTG is unhappy, I am thrilled. 

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Trout Giggles
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3.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @3    3 years ago

I like your attitude

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1    3 years ago

I like your attitude

I like to remain positive. <grin>

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4  Tessylo    3 years ago

Hopefully she and Boebert will be cell mates.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1  Hallux  replied to  Tessylo @4    3 years ago

There go any lesbian fantasies I might wish to entertain.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @4.1    3 years ago

they'd probably beat each other to death fighting over who got to wear the strap-on.

 
 
 
Veronica
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4.1.2  Veronica  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    3 years ago

heehee - like that convo in HC????

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Hallux @4.1    3 years ago
There go any lesbian fantasies I might wish to entertain.

Caged Heat 2: Insurrection Erection...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.3    3 years ago

Caged Heat 2: Insurrection Erection...

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MrFrost
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5  MrFrost    3 years ago

She does like to hit all the buzz words;

Communist style invasion

fake J6 committee

unconstitutional mistake

She doesn't know what communism is, for starters. The investigation is not fake and it's not unconstitutional. 

She truly is an idiot. 

 
 
 
Veronica
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6  Veronica    3 years ago

Her face looks completely blank in that picture up top.  It's as if they asked her what day of the week it was.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1  devangelical  replied to  Veronica @6    3 years ago

it's a week of sundays to that crowd of knuckle draggers.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Veronica @6    3 years ago
It's as if they asked her what day of the week it was.

Or, what magazines does she read?

 
 
 
Veronica
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6.2.1  Veronica  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    3 years ago

All of them.

 
 
 
Ender
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7  Ender    3 years ago

Must be nice. Say a bunch of stupid shit, make up lies, call people names and be elected to congress.

I guess for republicans all one has to do is call the Dems commies and one is in.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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8  Paula Bartholomew    3 years ago

At the rate R's are killing themselves off with the CV, hopefully there won't be enough of her base left to reelect her.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1  Tessylo  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8    3 years ago

And denying women's rights . . . they think they've got it made.  Hopefully we'll prove them wrong in 2022 and 2024 - they're so sure in their agnorance.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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9  Gsquared    3 years ago

Greene is a reactionary extremist idealogue and propagandist.  She is also the thought leader in the Republican Party.  If the Republicans take over the House of Representatives, she is likely to be elected Speaker of the House.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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9.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Gsquared @9    3 years ago

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JohnRussell
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10  JohnRussell    3 years ago

MTG has a well chiseled looking face. Unfortunately she's a woman. 

Her latest brilliant thought is to ask why schools werent closed because of cancer when they were closed for covid and cancer kills more people. 

Apparently, she has never heard of the word contagious. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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10.1  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @10    3 years ago

She makes stupid look good.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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10.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @10    3 years ago

Her face is nothing compared to her feet.  I saw them on You Tube (I think).  I have blocked the experience from my mind for the most part.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11  JohnRussell    3 years ago

www.dailykos.com   /stories/2021/12/7/2068064/-Marjorie-Taylor-Greene-says-Jan-6-rioters-being-persecuted-because-of-the-color-of-their-skin

Marjorie Taylor Greene says Jan. 6, rioters being persecuted 'because of the color of their skin'

Walter Einenkel Daily Kos Staff 5-7 minutes


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On Tuesday, Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Paul Gosar, and Louie Gohmert held a press conference where they defended the Jan. 6 insurrection, promoting every conspiracy theory under the sun and attacking anybody who dares call into question the actions of the people we all saw on television, on our computers, and on our mobile devices attacking the Capitol building. Any one of the three on the podium during today’s press conference could create a misinformation swarm larger than the rings of Saturn, and all three together did not disappoint their master, Donald Trump.

All of the people on the dais are   under investigation   for potential complicity in the planning and possible coordination of a treasonous attempt to change the results of our national election in order to install a dictator into the White House. Greene and Gaetz have tough campaigns ahead and have reportedly had a difficult time   fundraising off of sedition and suspected sex trafficking . Before we go into the lowlights of Tuesday’s hodgepodge of conspiracy, desperate racism, and statements of sedition, let’s all just remember three things: Greene is a   horrendous human being   and   has been for some time ; Gaetz is a   horrendous human being;  Gosar is a   horrendous human being ; and Gohmert is a   horrendous human being.

Not unlike Donald Trump, these three elected officials have made it their brand to lie in almost every setting as they use their positions of power to do virtually nothing to promote a better, more prosperous American citizenry. The only difference in how we all receive their singular form of narcissism is how they come across. Donald Trump’s strength is that he comes across as someone who very transparently does not care about anything or anyone that isn’t Donald Trump, and that bizarre balance has made him king of these sociopaths.

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All three come across as angry, cruel, and terrifying, but in slightly different ways. Greene, with her aggressive Crossfit-style anger, comes across as single-minded in her determination to create some bizarre ethnostate. Gaetz and his silver-spooned arrogance combine with his low-IQ statements to come across more whimsically reckless in his cruelties and say-anything demeanor. Gohmert just comes across like someone who doesn’t know much of anything and therefore might seem a touch less dangerous. 

First up was Greene, who told the world that the Jan. 6 defendants were being tortured and persecuted and forced to submit to critical race theory brainwashing. No, she didn’t   kind of  say that. She literally said that.

Did you hear that? Just in case that didn’t sink in for you, Greene drove the make-’em-up reverse racism white replacement theory point home.  “They were isolated in a separate wing of the jail, where they are abused, where they are ridiculed, where they are mocked because of their political beliefs and because of January 6, and because of the color of their skin.”

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Then came Gaetz to promise kangaroo courts and Benghazi trials while also pretending that Benghazi investigations were mishandled because they found nothing.  "We are going to take power after this next election. When we do, it's not going to be the days of Paul Ryan, and Trey Gowdy, and no real oversight, and no real subpoenas. It's going to be the days of Jim Jordan, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Dr. Gosar, and myself."

Alexander Nazaryan, the senior White House correspondent for Yahoo, reports that at the press conference, Gaetz told him  “that if Republicans win the House in 2022, he will move to install Trump as House Speaker.”  I mean, Gaetz has to do something in the hopes of  getting law enforcement off his trail.

Then Gosar came up to make a series of  statements about the cruel conditions of the incarcerated Jan. 6 defendants . Calling them human rights violations, Gosar made sure to explain how white these defendants are. They aren’t those “hardened criminals” people (the ones Gosar and Greene and Gohmert and Gaetz never speak up for), “they’re fathers.” Somehow Gosar’s statement was the least outrageous of the four, so he has that going for him.

Then it was Gohmert’s turn. Gohmert has recently decided to leave Congress in the hopes of taking control of the Texas attorney general’s office,   announcing his bid against   the   publicly corrupt Ken Paxton   last month. Gohmert’s job was to promote the conspiracy theory that the only people who should be charged with insurrection should be the FBI. Literally—that’s his fact-free conspiracy vomit into the public sphere for the day.

During the press question section of the conference, a reporter pointed out that Greene seems to defend Jan. 6 insurrectionists and hold press conferences for them, but not for the Capitol Police. Greene answered that with a tremendous series of lies, including the statement that she and Gohmert wanted to give the Capitol Police medals of honor. Sadly,   Texas’ Gohmert, Georgia’s Greene, Florida’s Gaetz, and Arizona’s Gosar were four of the 21 Republicans who  voted against  the House bill that would award Capitol Police officers present during the Jan. 6 insurrection with Congressional medals of honor.

Below is the full press conference.   Warning : It is about 40 minutes long and every moment you spend watching it is a moment you may never get back.

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JohnRussell
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11.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @11    3 years ago

I hope "independents" are taking all this in and will cut back on the "both sides are equally bad "  nonsense. 

 
 
 
JBB
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11.1.1  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1    3 years ago

The "I'm never wrong" crowd is never wrong...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @11.1.1    3 years ago

If both of you can make those statements and get all those votes up, then truly none of you get what an independent is and are blinded by your own partisanship, but then again, I am not surprised either.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.2    3 years ago
... get what an independent is ...

It has been explained so many times, clearly there is no interest in understanding;  the interest is in recasting in absurdly simplistic terms to create a ridiculous stereotype.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.2    3 years ago

If you want Trump back in office keep pretending that "both sides" are equally at fault for what is happening in America. 

This is a very critical issue at this point in time. What will we see? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.3    3 years ago

Sorry Tig, I know exactly what your and Perrie's idea of an independent is. Its not rocket science. 

As Dana Millbank said, right now we need "partisanship" in favor of democracy. This requires choosing between the Democrats and the Republicans though. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.5    3 years ago
Sorry Tig, I know exactly what your and Perrie's idea of an independent is. Its not rocket science. 

Clearly you do not.   If you can equate it to a position of: "both sides are equal" or "both sides ... _____" you truly have no clue.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.6    3 years ago

Are you seriously trying to tell me that "independents" dont look to find flaws in both of the major political parties? 

Now is NOT the time in this country to note every flaw you can find in Joe Biden. If you dont understand that you dont understand the threat we are facing. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.4    3 years ago
If you want Trump back in office keep pretending that "both sides" are equally at fault for what is happening in America. 

See, there you go John, illustrating plainly that you have no clue what you are talking about (or you are intentionally recasting into a ridiculous stereotype).

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.8    3 years ago

I think my point is extremely clear. And of course I stand by it. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.7    3 years ago
Are you seriously trying to tell me that "independents" dont look to find flaws in both of the major political parties? 

No that is not at all what I am telling you.   What I have told you for years now is that independents will draw conclusions without regard to loyalty to a particular party and especially do not accept a position as truth simply because a particular party claims it so.

Independent = decisions made based on personal experience, the facts and critical thinking.

Also, as I have explained to you countless times, there are independents who are members of the GOP, independents who are members of the D party, etc.   Party affiliation does not make one a partisan and also does not preclude the individual from thinking independently.   Can you imagine a member of a political party disagreeing with their party?   Can you imagine them disagreeing much of the time?

If someone is independent they will at times draw conclusions that align with either party or no party at all.   

Finally, independents will sometimes support a particular party.   This would be a strategic move if the independent finds that it is better for the nation to have, say, a divided Congress or have Congress counter the Executive branch.  

It all boils down to looking at the facts and making decisions regardless of what a particular party wishes one to decide.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1.11  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.9    3 years ago
I think my point is extremely clear. And of course I stand by it. 

Double down too?    Proud of it as well?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.9    3 years ago

John,

I as an independent, look at the issues and look at the candidates and make a decision based on that.

I really don't understand how you come to your conclusions.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.12    3 years ago

Do you think we are living in normal times? Where you can or should calmly weigh the pros and cons of the two major parties? One of the two parties is already laying concrete plans to steal the next elections. 

What is more important, preventing that sort of authoritarian takeover, or remaining ideologically pure and faithful to "independent" voting? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.13    3 years ago

No, but we have been here many times before.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.14    3 years ago

No. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.16  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.10    3 years ago

Keep criticizing Biden and the Democrats for the next three years and you will have Trump back in office. I hope you will be happy then that you stayed so independent. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1.17  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.16    3 years ago
Keep criticizing Biden and the Democrats for the next three years and you will have Trump back in office.

What is this supposed to mean?    So when Biden does something wrong like largely ignore the border during a pandemic you want me to not even acknowledge that failure?    I should ignore the Afghanistan failure (which, by the way, I do not simply blame on Biden)?     

What is really funny given your ridiculous stereotype for independents is that there are a few Rs here who play a little game of 'but did you say the same when the Ds did likewise?' in a pathetic attempt to deflect by making the independent the topic and imply hypocrisy.   And on the flip side you seem to think that I routinely (and, presumably, unfairly) criticize Biden.

Interesting how that works.

I hope you will be happy then that you stayed so independent.

And again you demonstrate that you do not have a clue about independence.    'Staying independent' means working to displace bias from the thought process.  It means attempting to hold positions that are true and avoid holding positions that are false.   I wish everyone engaged reality that way.

You might be content interpreting reality the worst possible way you can with regard to the GOP.   I find that to be dishonest.  I have engaged in plenty of criticism of Trump and the support thereof.   And that is because the criticism is amply justified.   I am not going to then paint Biden and the Ds in a glowing light when they fuck up.    It is your choice to do that, but I am sticking with reasonable conclusions based on the facts, honesty and sound logic.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.15    3 years ago

What would you call McCarthyism?

Or Nixon, or The Know-Nothings, or The Civil War?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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11.1.19  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.17    3 years ago
What is this supposed to mean?    So when Biden does something wrong like largely ignore the border during a pandemic you want me to not even acknowledge that failure?

I think it's an attempt to fight fire with fire. Conservative Republicans refuse to acknowledge when their elected representatives do anything wrong other than when they show disloyalty to their Dear Leader the Tangerine Mussolini. I think John is just suggesting that Democrats and independents should do the same or else the balance of power will always tilt towards the right wing fascists who employ the Joey Bishop defense...

Personally I find it refreshing when Democrats admit when they're wrong and criticize their own when the criticism is warranted. It's something conservative Republicans would never dream of doing for fear of showing disloyalty to their fat Fuhrer.

 
 
 
JBB
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11.1.20  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.18    3 years ago

Did both sides have valid arguments for or against those situations or those people?

What of those who could not or did not find the intestinal fortitude to stand up against McCarthy or the Nazis or slavery or Nixon? 

 
 
 
JBB
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11.1.21  JBB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.19    3 years ago

When all else fails stomp your Mary Jane's, shake your curls and then look down your patrician nose at everyone not sufficiently cowered by your furious angry indignation.

Sadly, the mushy middle appears willing to surrender again to Trump and the damn gop because competent government is boring...

They "weren't a fan of" "didn't care for" "didn't really like" "weren't enamored of" Joe Biden.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.22  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.17    3 years ago

You are clueless as to what is going on politically in this country today . Your lectures towards me dont even have the value of being a little humorous. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.23  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.19    3 years ago

The danger of a Trump political career was always that he, and his tactics, would become normalized. When the media , and a large swath of voters, fail to marginalize, or frankly, ridicule him,  the country is headed for serious trouble. 

At the present time we know that Trump tried , as hard as he could, to steal the 2020 election. He fully intended to have Republican state legislatures in swing states disenfranchise millions and millions of voters by naming alternate electors who would then vote to put trump back in the presidency. There was not a shred of evidence that this was warranted by the facts of the election.

Does anyone believe that when Trump runs again in 2024 he will not attempt to do this again? Plans have already been laid and there are already swing states who have put laws on the books permitting state legislatures to override the will of the voters. A pretense of "irregularities" in the voting will be used to abet this coup. 

This situation is not comparable to anything in modern American history, not Mc Carthy, not Nixon, not anything.  

I find it a little depressing that some independents feel like their ideological purity is more important than derailing a wannabe dictator like Trump. 

I am not a great Biden fan, mainly because of his age and his severe desire to be bipartisan with people that would shove him off the political cliff in a nanosecond, but we have to buck him up in order to drag Trump and his toady minions down. The country simply cannot risk doing anything to give oxygen to Trump, and that is very much what constant criticism of Biden and the Democrats does. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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11.1.24  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.23    3 years ago
I find it a little depressing that some independents feel like their ideological purity is more important than derailing a wannabe dictator like Trump.

I've no doubt that there were many 'middle of the road' independent German voters who were critical of Otto Wels Social Democratic Party that regretted not being more partisan and critical of the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) that gave rise to Hitler in the 1930's. And I'm sure they had valid complaints of both parties but realized too late that their valid critiques may have ended up tipping the scales in favor of the fascist dictator that led to the downfall of their entire nation and the suffering and deaths of tens of millions.

"Federal elections  were held in  Germany  on 14 September 1930. Despite losing ten seats, the  Social Democratic Party of Germany  (SPD) remained the largest party in the  Reichstag , winning 143 of the 577 seats, while the  Nazi Party  (NSDAP) dramatically increased its number of seats from 12 to 107.

The Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) had won the most votes and was the largest party in every election from 1919 to 1930. They led the coalition government between 1919–1920 and 1928–1930.

The new government was confronted with the economic crisis caused by the  Great Depression . Brüning disclosed to his associates in the German Labour Federation that his chief aim as chancellor would be to liberate the German economy from the burden of continuing to pay  war reparations  and foreign debt. This would require an unpopular policy of tight credit and a rollback of all wage and salary increases (an  internal devaluation ). The Reichstag rejected Brüning's measures within a month, who then used emergency powers to pass it anyway. The Reichstag rejected the emergency decree with 256 votes from the Social Democrats, the Communists, the  German National People's Party  and the Nazis."

I think only hindsight can make someone regret their "ideological purity" since their critiques are valid at the time. You just never know how those critiques can be used by the opposition to undermine one side or the other leading to a tipping of the scales or the ultimate results of those tipped scales until after it's already happened and it's too late to be critical of the party that gains power and turns into a much worse monster than the independents and their ideological purity thought possible. It's entirely possible that their critiques could tip the scales in the direction that avoids the next monster, so how can we truly judge one way or another without experiencing the consequences? At least sticking to their "ideological purity" is remaining true to themselves regardless of the eventual consequence.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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11.1.25  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.23    3 years ago
I find it a little depressing that some independents feel like their ideological purity is more important than derailing a wannabe dictator like Trump. 

I don't see that at all from most independents. I can clearly see that Perrie and TiG do not want another 4 years of trmp. I think most of America doesn't want another 4 years of him, either.

The problem as I see it is the Democrats just aren't fielding worthy candidates to sway more conservatives or more right leaning independents. Biden wasn't my first choice. Neither was Sanders. We need younger voices in the Democratic Party and I for one am glad to see some of the Old Guard stepping down. Now we just more of them to set down like Schumer and Pelosi

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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11.1.26  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.2    3 years ago

Amen Perrie.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1.27  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.22    3 years ago
You are clueless as to what is going on politically in this country today .

Why the irrational emotion, John?   Get a grip.   Attempt to put forth a comment that has some tie to reality.

If you cannot deal with independents criticizing Ds (not just Rs) that is your problem, not mine.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.28  TᵢG  replied to  JBB @11.1.21    3 years ago
... the mushy middle ...

Do you equate independents with "mushy middle"?    That is, do you think independents try to find the 'average' between the D and R positions and deem that correct?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.29  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.27    3 years ago

You want Trump again, you will get him. 

In 2016 the narrative was created by bad actors that Hillary Clinton was much worse than Trump and therefore Trump, a known pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron, and cheat, at the time, was a better choice and a breath of fresh air. That was never for one second objectively true, but that narrative got Trump to the White House. 

One might hope people would learn their lesson but it is in great doubt right now.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.30  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.23    3 years ago
I find it a little depressing that some independents feel like their ideological purity is more important than derailing a wannabe dictator like Trump. 

You then are not paying attention.    I for one have been rather relentless on comments that support Trump given his actions in office (especially the last two months).   Have you not noticed?

The problem is that you want me to be pretend that all is perfection in D land.    Well, that is not how I operate.   I am not going to lie.

If you had a smart strategy, you would embrace the criticism independents put forth on the GOP, Trump, etc.  rather than alienate us because we are not playing a purely D partisan game.   That is, take the support against Trump even if those supporters do not give the D party a pass.   I, for example, am quite against Trump but reading your latest comments one would think I am a Trump supporter.

Get a grip, John.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.31  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.30    3 years ago

Tig, I dont take advice about politics from you. Get that through your head. You were WAY late to the game to criticize and/or attack Donald Trump and until the pandemic began you never even gave indication you thought he was unfit for office. Not until he began the "big lie" nonsense about the election did you take to steadily berating him. 

We are not in a situation now that demands complete objectivity. Its a shame you cannot understand that. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.32  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1.25    3 years ago

It's a fine line you want to walk. It is possible it will be successful , but more of a risk than people just uniting to defeat Trumpism. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.33  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.24    3 years ago
It's entirely possible that their critiques could tip the scales in the direction that avoids the next monster, so how can we truly judge one way or another without experiencing the consequences?

The sort of apathy we are seeing now gave us Trump in 2016. 

We dont need to worry about the "next monster" at the moment, we need to worry about the one we already have. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.34  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.32    3 years ago

You know the Democratic Party has problems. You know it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.35  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.29    3 years ago
You want Trump again, you will get him. 

It is as if you ignore everything I write and simply insert your own alternate reality.

How is it possible that you think I want Trump to be PotUS?   Seriously, what goes through your mind to generate such a ridiculous statement that defies years of comments from me on this very site?   

Get a grip, John.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.36  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1.34    3 years ago

Apparently John insists that everyone engage in partisan politics against the GOP.   That means finding everything the GOP does as bad and everything the D party does as good.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.37  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1.34    3 years ago

I think I understand politics extremely well. Well meaning people belittling Joe Biden for the next three years, for any reason, will give us Donald Trump in power again. 

Because of demographics, it is unlikely that the Republican Party will ever win a majority of votes nationwide again. They know that, so they try to win again by voter suppression and well, constantly lying. 

What exactly has the Biden administration done that is so left wing radical?  Nothing much that I can see. Build Back better is not radical, it is long overdue. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.38  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.36    3 years ago

Well, let's just paint the flag red and redecorate it with a hammer and sickle!

We need diverse opinions or we can't call ourselves a democracy. One party rule is wrong!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.39  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.31    3 years ago
You were WAY late to the game to criticize and/or attack Donald Trump and until the pandemic began you never even gave indication you thought he was unfit for office. Not until he began the "big lie" nonsense about the election did you take to steadily berating him. 

That is delusional.   My first comment on NT to you was criticizing Trump.   Your reaction was that I did not criticize him with sufficient emotion.

Not everyone is bat-shit crazy when it comes to Trump.   Get a grip, John.

Not until he began the "big lie" nonsense about the election did you take to steadily berating him. 

Correct on that point.   Trump's post election behavior was so over the top I cannot imagine any rational mind supporting him for reelection.   The excuse of 'I like his politics' no longer holds water when the guy clearly abused his office and authority to try to steal a USA presidential election.

Thus, since the old excuse of 'hate Trump but love his politics' no longer applies, my comments have adjusted accordingly.   You should be embracing those comments instead of continually positioning me as your enemy.   Your approach is counterproductive (and stupid).

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.40  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.37    3 years ago

I didn't say that Biden is a left wing radical. He's actually quite moderate from where I sit.

It's the free college for all that I have a problem with. If they want to do that with community college, fine, but also make that available for trade schools. There was something else, but now I can't remember

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.41  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.39    3 years ago
The excuse of 'I like his politics' no longer holds water

It never held water. It didnt hold water in 2016. You simply dont understand that. Its not my problem, its your problem. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.43  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.41    3 years ago
It never held water. It didnt hold water in 2016. You simply dont understand that. Its not my problem, its your problem. 

Again, you fail to comprehend.    I am talking about Trump supporters stating that the reason they support Trump was because of his policies.    Given he is no longer in office and there are others who can engage in his policies, that excuse is no longer valid.   Since Trump attempted to steal an election, etc. nobody should support his return to office but rather should pick at least a somewhat decent human being who has the same policies.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.44  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.39    3 years ago

A day or two before he endorsed Trump for president in 2016 , Ted Cruz called Donald Trump a psychopath. Trump had recently said Cruz wife was a dog and Cruz father may have been implicated in the JFK assassination. 

Cruz lacked the courage of his convictions, and no doubt still does, but obviously he did not believe Trump was fit for office. And of course he wasnt. People fooled themselves, for a number of reasons, but the driving force behind the willingness to vote for Trump was white grievance. Still is. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
11.1.45  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @11.1.20    3 years ago
What of those who could not or did not find the intestinal fortitude to stand up against McCarthy or the Nazis or slavery or Nixon? 

Ultimately, people did stand up, in one way or another, since they were all brought down. I think the last election did the same thing. You can't expect those who supported the other side to just disappear, and that is what we are seeing now.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.46  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.41    3 years ago

After his loss, Trump demonstrably abused his authority.   The facts played out for the entire world to see.  At that point Trump proved that he should never hold a public office, much less PotUS.

In other words, it was no longer a question of tolerating Trump because of his policies.   Trump is now out of office so there is no rational reason to support him for policies;  the GOP should pick someone else.

My position is based on the facts. Instead of whining that I am now aggressively challenging Trump reelection support you should be welcoming the assist.

Get a grip.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.47  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.46    3 years ago

You get a grip. Trump had definitively proved he was not fit for office long before the 2020 election. Your lack of understanding that is one of the problems we have. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.48  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.47    3 years ago

The difference is that Trump has NOW proved to the planet that he should not hold office.   The facts are now, IMO, objectively  indisputable.

Again, I have never supported Trump.   But now we have proof that Trump should never be reelected.   My criticism of his supporters factors in the proof provided by Trump after his loss.

Regardless, how utterly stupid is it for you to argue with someone who is aggressively against Trump?   Get a clue John.   Argue with Trump supporters.   Your behavior is counterproductive.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.49  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.48    3 years ago
 But now we have proof that Trump should never be reelected.  

I'm not going to do this anymore. Trump had definitively proved he was unfit for office long before the 2020 election. 

All you are doing is showing my descriptions of your positions have been correct. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.50  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.49    3 years ago
All you are doing is showing my descriptions of your positions have been correct. 

My position is as I stated it, you just cannot seem to calm down long enough to see it.

I have never supported Trump.    That is a simple statement, attempt to comprehend it.

Your reaction to my very first post to you on NT where I criticized Trump was to attack me for not being sufficiently emotional and extreme (like you).   So here I am a Trump opponent and your very first post to me was an attack.   I remember this clearly because it was so outrageous.   If you actually think that your participation here changes minds then why on Earth would you attack those who hold the same basic position (albeit not with your level of bat-shit crazy emotion)?

Your behavior is counterproductive.   Get it?   So here I am responding given Trump's worldwide abuse of influence and proof that he will lie and do whatever he can to benefit himself even if he trashes our country to do so.   I am responding to that as I see fit and my response is to be aggressive against comments supporting Trump.  You complain that I should have been this aggressive before Trump engaged in his historic charade and delivered proof to the planet as to the depth of his character flaws.

Given that I routinely, aggressively counter pro-Trump comments, what value do you think you gain by alienating me?    Do you think that your irrational and emotional attacks on me will cause me to support your arguments, vote up your comments, defend you against attack?    See, John, Trump is an area where we agree yet I am dissuaded from giving you any support.    I suspect other Trump opponents that you attack for not being sufficiently bat-shit-crazy emotional about Trump will likewise not be inclined to support your positions even though they agree with them.

Your behavior is irrational and counterproductive.   Here is an idea, support people when you are in agreement with them and challenge them when you are not in agreement.   Don't attack people when you are in agreement, that is stupid and counterproductive.    Thus, get a clue.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
11.1.51  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.49    3 years ago
Trump had definitively proved he was unfit for office long before the 2020 election.

John, I agree with you, Trump is the most unfit-for-President human on the planet other than perhaps his shirtless dominatrix Putin.

However, that does not mean that we should completely ignore the failings of the Democratic party when they happen. If we do then we prove conservative Republicans right, that Democrats are just like them and that it's normal to choose a side and stick to it through thick or thin, to proclaim "My party, right or wrong!".

If we're going to lead by example then we need to admit our failings or those of the candidates we elect when they aren't making good decisions. Biden has been, in general, a far better President than Trump, but he is not without his failures and gaffes. To refuse to admit that means one is living in the mirror universe of the conservative Republican alternate reality where facts and logic no longer matter and only partisan loyalty is rewarded.

I get that you, and the vast majority of Americans, never want to see Trump in the oval office again, but stooping to the level of suck-up Trump sycophants isn't the way to achieve that goal as much as it might seem like it when faced with the non-stop attacks from unreasonable illogical Trump loyalists even if sometimes you have to agree with them when they actually get some criticism of your preferred President right. I'm sure it feels slimy and disgusting having to agree with them occasionally, but it does prove who are the better patriots and better Americans and not just sniveling partisan suck-o-phants.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.52  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.24    3 years ago

I was just watching a documentary on Hitler and the Beer Hall Putsch (spelling?) which was a failed coup and so similar to 1/6//21 but he was imprisoned.  I'm so ignorant of history I'm sorry to say.

This brought out so much support for Hitler. History is repeating itself

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
11.1.53  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.52    3 years ago
History is repeating itself

It's the new era of disinformation and chaos. We have holocaust deniers, Jan 6th insurrection conspires, Omicron flyers, election fraud liars, anti-vaccine desires, fantasy war on Christmas criers, assault rifle buyers, fascism triers, backed-up suppliers, California fires, war withdrawal mires, Nunes retires, fully masked choirs, lots of new hires, pedophile friars and likely retiring Breyers. Who could have thought 2021 was going to be as crazy as 2020...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
11.1.54  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.28    3 years ago

John equates anyone that does not have a D behind their name,  is not a leftist liberal, and does not share his political ideology, as "mushy" and/or automatically wrong!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.55  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.1.54    3 years ago

Seems that way Ed.    I am quite disgusted with the GOP right now given their sell out to Trump especially after he committed his historic act of trying to steal a presidential election (while PotUS no less).   His acts have no historical comparison.  In Trump-lingo:  "never has a sitting president engaged in an egregious, blatant, over-the-top, lying, suborning and coercion campaign to steal a US presidential election".  One would think that a rabid anti-Trumper would applaud others criticizing Trump and the support of same rather than alienate them.

Just too strange for words.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.56  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.53    3 years ago

That was quite clever!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
11.1.57  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1.40    3 years ago

His border fiasco perhaps?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.58  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.1.57    3 years ago

No it had to do with spending

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @11    3 years ago

During this press conference Matt Gaetz basically said that when the Republicans regain power in Congress they will conduct investigations based on far right conspiracy theories. 

He calls it "answering the people's questions". 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
11.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2    3 years ago
During this press conference Matt Gaetz basically said that when the Republicans regain power in Congress they will conduct investigations based on far right conspiracy theories. 

He also told one reporter that he would introduce legislation to appoint Dipshit Donny as Speaker. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @11    3 years ago

Look!  Four steaming piles of shit!

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
12  Kavika     3 years ago

What is the color of their skin, cowardly would be my guess or traitor would be good choice.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @12    3 years ago

Yellow

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
12.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @12.1    3 years ago

Chicken shit yellow

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
13  bbl-1    3 years ago

So Greene is upset that her cell phone data may be revealed?  Quite possible she has good reason for that.  Nekked photos are absolutely private property meant only for those she wishes to see.

Now honestly, admit it-----------you all want to see them, right?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
13.1  Gsquared  replied to  bbl-1 @13    3 years ago

Hell no!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
13.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Gsquared @13.1    3 years ago

Even Stevie Wonder would say that.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
13.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @13.1.1    3 years ago

Yup.  Signed, Sealed, Delivered

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
13.2  devangelical  replied to  bbl-1 @13    3 years ago

knowing the R party, and calculating in the Q-nut conspiracy factor, she probably has a mushroom dick too.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
13.2.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @13.2    3 years ago

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
14  devangelical    3 years ago

the look on the face of a person that just found out giving BJ's at her gym isn't considered a business expense.

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Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
14.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  devangelical @14    3 years ago

"How the hell am I supposed to continue my oral outreach program at the gym if I'm forced to wear a mask...?" MTG

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
14.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @14    3 years ago

I bet her dick is bigger than trumpturd's.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
14.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @14.2    3 years ago

But like every other groveling Republican she used a warped mirror to make it look tiny in contrast so as to avoid offending Trumplethinskin or any of his suck-o-phants...

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
14.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Tessylo @14.2    3 years ago

512

Looks like ya might be right Tessy.. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
14.2.3  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @14.2.2    3 years ago

she's never turned down an injection in her clinic...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
14.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @14.2.2    3 years ago

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
14.2.5  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @14.2.2    3 years ago

uh-oh...here come the outraged pearl clutchers to complain about your meme and all of us laughing about it....

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
14.2.6  bbl-1  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.2.5    3 years ago

No.  They want to see 'the nekked' photos too.

Just like the rest of you.  lol

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
14.2.7  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.2.5    3 years ago

uh-oh...here come the outraged pearl clutchers to complain about your meme and all of us laughing about it....

Of course. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
14.2.8  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  bbl-1 @14.2.6    3 years ago

Hey!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
14.2.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MrFrost @14.2.2    3 years ago

She looks like she shit her shorts and then turned them around.

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
14.2.10  Veronica  replied to  MrFrost @14.2.2    3 years ago

Ok let's be fair - maybe she's wearing a cup to protect her private areas from being violated by a cat fucking dog....

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
14.2.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @14.2    3 years ago

It is in that picture.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
14.2.12  bbl-1  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.2.8    3 years ago

Hey back.  You want to see em'?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
14.2.13  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  bbl-1 @14.2.12    3 years ago

Please no

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
14.2.14  bbl-1  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.2.13    3 years ago

I know. Just messin' with ya.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
14.2.15  MrFrost  replied to  Veronica @14.2.10    3 years ago

Ok let's be fair - maybe she's wearing a cup to protect her private areas from being violated by a cat fucking dog....

Perhaps but honestly, I wouldn't hit that with someone else's dick.. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
14.2.16  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @14.2    3 years ago

My cat's dick is bigger than his.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
15  Paula Bartholomew    3 years ago

MTG is like that little white speck on chicken shit.  The thing is, it is chicken shit too.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
15.1  devangelical  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @15    3 years ago

her family tree is a palm.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
15.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  devangelical @15.1    3 years ago

I was thinking a stump but great comment.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
16  Kavika     3 years ago

MTG knows how to operate a cell phone, amazing for someone as lacking as she is.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
16.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @16    3 years ago

She is so stupid she has to dial information to get the number for 911.

 
 

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