Former FBI director and special counsel Robert Mueller has died
By: Mary Ann Akers (MS NOW)
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Robert Mueller, the former FBI director for more than a decade who later served as special counsel in the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election, died on Friday, according to two people familiar with the matter. He was 81.
The cause of death was not immediately known, but Mueller had been suffering from Parkinson's disease for years, the people said.
Mueller, whose two-year probe concluded in 2019 that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election of Donald Trump, served as FBI director from 2001 to 2013. The Justice Department in 2017 appointed him special counsel to oversee the growing investigation after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey.
The Mueller probe became an obsessive subject for Trump, who repeatedly — as many as hundreds of times — called Mueller's investigation a "witch hunt," "a scam" and a "hoax."
Upon hearing of Mueller's death on Saturday, the president said, "Good, I'm glad he's dead."
"Robert Mueller just died," Trump declared in a Truth Social post. "Good, I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP"
Mueller's investigation resulted in 37 indictments and seven guilty pleas, though he found no evidence that Trump or his aides coordinated with Russia. The Mueller report, as it came to be known, did not conclude that Trump committed any crime, but it also did not clear the president of obstruction of justice.
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The day Trump dies, and it could be anytime now, will be a national day of celebration.
more like a week ...
that will be a hilarious day here, I guarantee it ...
There will be weeping and wailing, rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth.
You know Trump will put that in his presidential state funeral. The mourning crowd must be HUGE and the performance 'BIGLY."
trump will be the first dead POTUS not to lie in state or have a state funeral ...
Too bad people will stoop to trumps level.
You're talking about Trump supporters, of course, all down in the sewer with him.
Try again. I am talking about anyone that would celebrate the death of someone.
No, the people who stoop to Trump's level are the deluded idiots who support him regardless of anything.
There were celebrations across the Allied world on April 30, 1945, when Hitler's death was announced. Bad, right?
Wow, you sure took a turn past left field.
Yes, IMO celebrating someone's death is wrong.
So, celebrating Hitler's death was wrong.
Opinions do vary.
Um, trump said Mueller had died, and said, "good". But hey, that's your boy.
trump's kids will be too busy trying to escape america alive to attend his funeral ...
So... You're saying that trumps (sic) level is... low?
Yes. Very good
Fine with me
I thought maga worshiped trump because he stood up for america and spoke for them ... ???
Care to respond to the actual comment?
Ok, we will note for the record that you believe celebrating Hitler's death was wrong. I suppose you think that gives you the "moral high ground".
Oh dear, that hurts. S/
Suppose what you will IMO it is fine to celebrate the end of the war, the death of a human, not so much.
You seem to have a problem with thinking it is not OK to celebrate a death.
Thank you for confirming my comment. I'm certain most concentration camp survives would agree with you.
You can think what you want no matter how misguided it might be.
You are welcome, it is something I have been saying all along
I am certain it meant more to them to be freed and still alive after what they have gone through more than the death of one man.
Yes I can
Trump's level is base.
He is completely flight or fight.
He is ruled by his own Amygdala without restrictions.
Normal people celebrate when someone like the Ayatollah, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot or Osama Bin Laden dies,
( there's too many to name and too many periods of human history to list)
When Trump passes, there will be a certain amount of dancing in the streets and a lot more, who will simply raise a glass and say, "finally".
And that makes it right?
Just for clarification, so there is no dispute -- You think it was wrong to celebrate the death of Hitler, who was responsible for the torture and murder of milions of people.
That doesn't mean they didn't celebrate Hitler's death and the deaths of any Nazi murderer. I can assure they celebrated the death of more than only one Nazi.
Interestingly, Christians celebrate the death of Jesus. You must think that is wrong. They even have a holiday to celebrate his death and they call it "Good".
Speaking of Jesus
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" is a central teaching of Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:44)
Do you celebrate his death?
Pretty unrealistic, isn't it? You go ahead and do that.
Your guy Trump said "I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them." That must be why he's the right-wing Christians' hero.
That is not even a worthwhile attempt.
For some obviously
I will. And I will pray for those that don't
Since you bring it up at 1.3: In your statement, "Too bad people will stoop to trumps level." Please inform us what "level" Trump is on, in your opinion.
Right by what standard? We, like the dinosaurs, developed over long millenniums, with one rule, to survive.
That's why there is uninterrupted conflict and war among us.
We are hard wired to celebrate victories no matter how brief or fleeting.
Religion started out as governance before it too became a reason for conflict.
Rare are the decades when we can afford the luxury of morality and political sensibilities.
I had one uncle who bore the numbers and scars from Auschwitz and until the day he passed, he and other survivors always toasted Hitler and Stalin with
זײַנע ביינער זאָלן פֿוילן אין גיהנום
Zayne beyner zoln foyln in gehenem.
May his bones rot in hell.
followed by long tearful silences.
Actually, the "celebration" of the death of Jesus is more a memorial to the "Book" mentioning his RISE from the grave. Carry on. . . .
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Ok who's going to the first NT MAGA to say something about "liberals" and their reaction to Charlie Kirk's assination?
Mueller let Trump off easy. He should have indicted and prosecuted the criminal traitor to the full extent of the law.
Amen!!
Did he commit suicide with a bedsheet?
The FBI, after all this time, in now supposedly reacting to a retired NYC Correctional person who questioned why the first response team to Epstein's death
was shredding "bags and bags" of possible evidence when it was their sole duty to preserve everything.
Class act as usual. /s
were you expecting more from the piece of shit?
My god what a POS.
He has definitely earned the Nobel POS Prize.
the only medal trump's image should be on ...
Amen Counselor... Amen.
Another reputable civil servant whose legacy has been sullied by the stink of Trump.
There will be a lot more celebrations when Trump dies than Mueller. The piece of shit Trump couldn't even wait for the body to get cold before attacking him. We need to impeach him just out of common decency.
The criminal should never have been allowed to run, much less be allowed to be elected.
I thought Trump was an asshole way back with the comments about John McCain. He is consistent.
That's one of the things magas love about him the most.
Any data to prove that?
Yes, I took a survey.
I'm compiling and formatting the data now. I will be publishing the results in two weeks.
LMFAO! Well played.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
That is right up there with trust me, bro
It will be HUGE! THE BIGGEST THING EVER!
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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And just to illustrate this level of psychopathy and just how unfit Trump is to hold office — much less the presidency.
Will you be one of those that celebrate his death?
I do not dance on graves. Have you ever seen me write anything that would even remotely suggest that?
You are trolling.
It is a probative question based on the direction the conversation is going.
If you thought it was trolling you could have just ignored it
Bullshit; you were trolling. I have not written anything in this thread or elsewhere that would suggest that; your question was unnecessary. Furthermore, the two videos I posted were critical of dancing on graves, which strongly suggests that such is not my style.
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The hate for a guy who acted as Special Counsel is pretty twisted. It's not like it was his idea to launch an investigation.
The Untold Story of Robert Mueller's Time in Combat
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Robert Mueller was an American War hero, wounded during combat. No wonder Trump hates him.
That's probably because Mueller's heroism and willingness to put his life on the line so many other Americans, must have made Trumps bone spurs hurt even more. /s
Speaks for itself. I second Glenn's assessment of Trump being wholly unfit for office.
You know, quiet as it is kept - pun not intended - the reason (and yes there is at least one) that most Christians do not speak ill of the dead is because it is unkind, offensive to family, friends, the public, and it models a behavior and example that no-one wishes their children to consider. Then, there is this: Christians have to stand before God and 'testify' on their own behalf. . . especially when one is 'aged' and considered nearer to death's door opening and being swallowed up. It speaks to the unknown-which none living what becomes (if anything) of 'us' once we surrender our flesh. . . so, 99.99 percent of people simply do not mock the death. That is, we fall silent and consider the motto: "If you can not say something good about a person in death. . . consider not saying anything at all!"
It is pure vindictiveness for a president to model bad-taste and a lack of understanding in letting his true feeling show at the death of Mr. Mueller. Just terrible. Worse, it speaks more about Trump and his lack of understanding of such matters Christian-wise.
The question for the Christian Dominionists surrounding Trump so close that they lay hands on him periodically (or even more) is this: How can they stomach a man who breaks all understanding of what is acceptable in their 'norms'?
If Trump is a Christian, this is an occasion where he highlights and emphasizes that he has no understanding of what traditions the Church seeks to instill in its 'body' of believers!
Christians have to stand before God and 'testify' on their own behalf
That’s a line you don’t want to be in. Two people per second die on earth. Why does anyone believe this nonsense?
I do not understand the (need for this) question! The theme and focus of my comment is on Christianity and its teaching in humility and "home-training." There is no acceptable reason for Christians to curse (wish) the dead or even speak harmful about the dead-if only not to offend the living!
Can you explain your comment? It is confusing to me, because I can not comprehend how you got to your point from what I wrote.
I thought I was pretty clear. Imagine dying and ending up in a line of other dead souls, accumulating at a current rate of two per second, (24 hours a day, 365 days per year). Yet people will believe that they will “stand before God and 'testify' on their own behalf”. How long will this testimony be? Do the math, then explain how a god went from an entity that judged the handfuls of souls that died per day, to one that judges 63 million per year. I don’t think you’re going to get his undivided attention. Try not to get trampled in the rush.
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Oh right, time and space blah blah blah. What a convenient fall back. It can mean anything you want it to mean, by design.
You [✘] have to deal with what they actually believe, not your own beliefs imposed on theirs.
An all powerful omniscient being that never communicates or shows evidence of its existence isn’t crazy or suspicious at all. Let’s pray to it too. Omniscient, all powerful, infallible entities love it when you try to convince them that their plans are wrong.
mary was barely 13 when god impregnated her, but her soul was well over the age of consent ...
When you factor in time and space blah blah blah she was 18 and a half, so totally legit.
that age is pretty much on the outer rim of the maga desirability scale.
... uh, ... what's the shelf life of intergalactic deity sperm? will turkey basters become religious antiquities in the next millennium?
You’d think they’d be on a birth control crusade, just to stem the flow of migrants crossing over their border twice every second.
God is Spirit. . . so not a "he." Despite what people might suggest gender-ization is for mortals (flesh and blood). BTW, that could explain why some people make the easy mistake of thinking marriages and family structure are similar (or the same) in Heaven as in Earth. If only they would follow the "Book" according to its words:
That begs the question, biblically-speaking of the nature of angels. Well, in addition, we have been (biblically) told:
Flesh perishes. Spirit is eternal. Thus, we can determine from the words in the "Book," that all that we are in these present 'vessels' shall pour into. . .something other at some point—biblically-speaking.
Now then, you asked: "Yet people will believe that they will “stand before God and 'testify' on their own behalf”. How long will this testimony be? Do the math, then explain how a god went from an entity that judged the handfuls of souls that died per day, to one that judges 63 million per year. "
It's called: The "Judgement" and the mighty and the small are spoken of as being dredged up from the "Deep" and from the "Fire" and out of the grave-plus. Again, biblically-speaking! Also, it is not my role to decide what God can or can not do - be capable of executing. That is beyond the scope of this discussion. Suffice it to say that the writers of the "Book" delineated all will stand before God. . . whether it will happen or not happen. . .is not the role of a believer to prove or deny. It's simply invoking - Faith.
I did not make this up: Writers did. I simply recite it as an argument for why Trump makes little sense when he abuses himself with the Christian belief system.
Thus, proving a point: Trump is wrong to spite the dead when he is near (in time and space) to its 'door' as a function of nature and its unknowns.
The error in your comment is you have no idea what counts as quantifiable or qualifiable communication between a believer and his/her God. Case in point: I can not produce God to you or for you. . . and yet as a prayer "warrior" I have experienced fulfillment from prayers that I have uttered in the privacy of my heart and disclosed to no one else. You may call my 'results' by a different name: Life or Fate.
As for me, I know this: Life nor fate materialized the results in question. . . until AFTER I prayed. . . and "suddenly" it became real in my life. Now then, does that speak to the question of God's existence. . .maybe - maybe not! It does explain why so many people are willing to have a faith/system. . . to help them get from varying phases of life from cradle to grave.
That said, I do see your point and can not ascertain that God exist for you or anybody else, because such requests are beyond my ability to produce.
Which brings me back to Trump and Christian nationalists: They, Trump's faithful believers, should strongly question why he went there. . .in disservice to what is church tradition of not speaking ill of the dead/ the unknown.
I have no interest in engaging with that. Citing bible quotes to justify unbelievably obtuse religious concerts is self serving and misses the point entirely. If you want to be a prayer warrior then suit yourself, but don’t expect everyone else to fall for everything you fall for just because of some religious doctrine interpretation. My cousin died of cancer recently. She was uber Christian and had a group of “prayer warriors” that regularly left her social media comments that just dripped with Jesus adoration. Meanwhile she deteriorated just like any other cancer victim, leaving kids, parents, siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles, and grandkids behind after a long, painful journey to her grave. I guess Jesus didn’t care that prayer warriors wanted him to change his plans.
Look! I am entitled to have a perspective as you are. I never ever even asked for your 'participation' in this thread. And I do not mean that last to be offensive - just fact. That said, once you replied, I am entitled to tell my 'story' - my truth - that makes my life function and work as you or anybody else.
You may not realize it as a attempt to 'shutdown' spirituality simply because it does not mean anything to you. . . and yet spirituality (and "the Book") has been, and yes, continues to be life-changing for many—for good and bad. For truth and for error - depending on motivations. I would be lying to myself if I thought highly of spirituality, and was jaded enough to not speak that truth to others. I will not deny any truth as long as I can help it.
I have been clear: I can not prove God exist. I can attest to prayer changing things in my life-according to my judgement. My judgement. That is, it's me speaking for me and my conclusion.
As for the "Book" - it has written in it what I proposed in discussion. That is undeniable. I offer it as insight into the book and how I form my answer. You are not able to deny me that—no more than you can deny what is on the pages of ANY OTHER BOOK that is up for public comment. Because then you would be expressing a preference. . . something subjective. . . and not objective.
Finally, over the years, I have researched and interacted with atheists and their worldview (or thoughts on religion if you wish) and it has 'moved' me to being open to the truth in what some atheists share publicly. It does not nullify faith or 'kill' God outright, nevertheless. The question/s about God remain OPEN-even for some atheists.
Believe what you wish/want/can . . . and accept that like you. . .I can do the same. . . even while respecting and deferring to some elements of your worldview.
It's called respect. It's call allowing another to speak his or her mind. It called doing no harm.
Lastly, I respect you Hal A. Lujah. Believe it or not. I always like reading your comments (and can miss your comments when you are away). Diversity requires that we accept that others can have a different perspective in this country and still be true to fact and the world that they come to know and experience! Especially and as long as they hold to a diverse position that does little to no harm to another individual person or set of persons.
Here’s some perspective - not even one third of the world is Christian. What are you going to do “on judgement day” when you find out the creator is Allah? You’d be fucked. Or what if you’re right, and one quarter of the current humanity is fucked because they thought they’d be judged by Allah. What if god if offended that all its sycophants spent their lives wearing jewelry depicting the device that Jesus was murdered on? And what’s this about you wearing cotton and wool together, when you were specifically commanded to not do that? What will god think about those who committed their Christian lives to helping to heal the sick, but only if they had an insurance card? I don’t say any of this stuff to disparage you, I say it because it’s so plainly obvious. I could go on for days with the same lines of reasoning, but religious faith is like Trumpism. It blinds the victim to reality and poisons everything.
thumpers are the free range chickens and grass fed beef in the meat dept of alien supermarkets ...
What is the point of going on with that line of reasoning? Is it something new? No.
By the way "Allah" is another form of the word translated: "God." Jesus is considered a prophet to Muslims. Additionally, Muslims on a technical level are not offended by Jesus (the Prophet) and they believe in "all the Books" to one degree or another.
Nothing new for the informed.
I am not hung up on the judgement 'encounter,' Hal A. Lujah. Because if it happens it will be just one more 'turn' of the wheel. That's life! I will meet it as I meet every other challenge and unknown. (The best I can).
Now then here is perspective for you: What if God is Allah is true and atheists are found to be wrong once evidence is presented by God? What will "judgement day" be for them?! If Hell is real. . . .
That written is still NOT the point I am conveying across to you (if you will receive it). My point is diversity, a common thing we all share as humanity and animals, means we can hold in our heads and hearts whatsoever we wish to believe and what we can CONFIRM-both as long as we do no harm.
Lol, yes I know what allah is, and if you’re trying to argue that they are one in the same then you’re equating Christian morality to Muslim morality, and one group will be in for a shock on “judgement day” when they “meet” god /allah. Atheists are not afraid because atheists know a human farcical creation when they encounter it in human created dogma.
There are places on the internet where scripture quoting and adoration of Jesus are welcome and even expected. How on earth did you think NT was one of them?
This lack of compassion is exhausting. I have tried to be tactful and it has failed miserably. So let me just tell you straight. I am a Christian. Apparently, there are two types of Christians. . .on this site: 1. Conservative Christians 2. Liberal Christians.
I have been told by Conservative Christians that Liberal Christians are not Christians at all and that we are 'fake,' 'discount,' and 'nominal' Christians at best. I have been told by select atheists that I give glory to nothing because - No God exist and then mocked to basically "grow up."
What I, myself, do and will continue to do is share the wisdom that I have with others. . . and do no harm by doing so.
Now then, how DARE you question me about my use of liberty and freedom of the same speech you have! It's mere speech. It can not injure or kill!
Do you not see how abusive it is for you to troll me about religion as it is for conservative Christians to troll atheists over their disbelief?!!!
What? Christians of all stripes should just fu— 'er, be quiet and not enter discussion about religion and religious figures, because the 'big' atheists or a single atheist will get pissed off and quickly interact to shut it down?!
You've abused your privilege with me, Hal A. Lujah. That is not acceptable. I will not allow it to continue.
You entered a discussion (and took it over) between me and this thread about Trump and his followers that cover for his abuses of others allowing and approving speaking 'ill' of the dead. . . and then when I spoke up to call their indiscretion out. . . you decided to put me on the carpet and go into the 'bag' about what God is and isn't.
I don't need a lecture about God, Hal A. Lujah. Besides, after fourteen plus years on Newsvine and NewsTalkers and personal research I have had encounters with a fair amount of atheists. . . enough to have earned the proverbial 't-shirt' on what is written and spoken on this subject matter.
I better stop here. . . because I am really upset at your 'treatment' of this matter. I liked you even though it never seem to get any 'traction' and now it is in the 'pit'. . . okay- I will just stop.
okay- I will just stop.
Thank God. You’re harming my faith in humanity to rationalize.
Atheists claim they do not have faith - so yet another insult. I exercise my privilege to address religion the same as anybody else even when some choose to bash the same.
Therefore, I see you clearly now. So long. . . .
he isn't, he's just worshiped by them, like that other non-xtian guy, geezus ...
When Charlie Kirk was assassinated, I posted on this site that anyone celebrating the death of another human being over their politics was piece of shit and a lesser human.
That has not changed. If a political rival's death makes you happy, you're a terrible person and you're anti-American.
It applies across party lines. It applies whether you are a homeless drug addict or President or the United States.
Totally agree and I won't accept any of these people attempting to take the moral high ground.
If it's the death of an anti-American, wanna-be dictator who is destroying the country a little celebration might be in order.
By which you mean a duly elected President of the United States who happens to do shit you don't like.
It's not about who or what he is. It's about who and what you are.
Someday Barack Obama will pass. Hopefully that will be many years from now and hopefully he finds those years fulfilling. But when that happens, have no doubt there will be at least a small number of disgusting people who celebrate the event. The rule still holds. Terrible, anti-American, lesser humans.
If it works that way about Obama, it works that way about Trump, or Carter or W or Clinton or whoever.
Exactly perfectly said.
Which explains why it can not be anti-American. We do not say that all presidents (or anybody else for that matter) is the personification of Americanism. Do stop with trying (so hard) to put presidents on that 'pedestal.' We love presidents and we do not love presidents for 'degrees' of reasons! They are not 'equals' in their activities or policies. Thus, these men (and women) will be praised and scorned as needed by those they serve or do a disservice to in policy-making.
If someone without regard for the dead chooses to 'tap-dance' or 'jig' or not lower the flag for the passage of another in honor. . .it is permissible as a form of free speech. We can disagree with the action/s - it is not anti-American, nevertheless!
Au contraire! Since your comments 'clear' Trump (gives him yet another "mulligan" - a reference to his first term allowance to become president) then you must give give similarly to others here. Fair is fair.
Defending an anti-American, wanna-be dictator who is destroying the country is about who and what YOU are.
Do stop with trying (so hard) to pretend I said things I didn't.
Citation?
Or are just making shit up because you have run out of valid arguments?
We love presidents and we do not love presidents for 'degrees' of reasons! They are not 'equals' in their activities or policies. Thus, these men (and women) will be praised and scorned as needed by those they serve or do a disservice to in policy-making.
That says nothing about celebrating a death over political differences.
Tell it to someone who is doing that. If you observe that I do. . .please point out for me to see it and respond!
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As it is with religion, I caution commenters not to continue associating anti-American ideas and ideology with its first amendment right of free speech!
After all, we have (white) nationalists and all sorts of racists, bigots, and prejudiced individuals and groups in our country making vulgar and vitriolic (caustic) statements under safeguard of law. That is why I couched my comment on Trump's response to Mueller's death under this category of Christian sentiments and custom.
It's bad taste and form and poor modeling for younger generations (or even older generations preparing themselves to lead our nation in politics) to see a president praising the death of a rival good man (or anybody for that matter). It is not criminal. Nor, is it "anti-American."
We have to keep some distinctions-clear, or we invoke passion(s) where it need not be!
I didn't say it was criminal.
I said it was anti-American. It is.
You cannot claim to support the fundamental American rights of self governance and free speech while rejoicing in the death of a person simply for engaging in that speech (in Kirk's case) or carrying out the lawful directives of a duly elected government (in Meuller's).
Is it your legal right to do so? Sure, because better men have secured and protected that right.
It is also your right to advocate for us to return to being a British colony. That's not American either.
I am not going to conflate colonization with Americanism. That is beyond the question (and statement). Moreover, I am not discussing Kirk, per se or in a vacuum.
So, I have not 'glorified' or "cheered" or any such thing about that man's life or his death - for I scared knew of him before he was shot and horribly killed in a public place (for which I tuned in and saw him fall from his chair and blood pouring from his opened carotid neck area). I would not mock that. . . and actually I am perplexed that you somehow you have not read my prior statements across several articles on Mr. Kirk's death. So let me be clear: I do not cheer anybody's death - especially when it is a brutal loss of life.
Please try to remember this about me going forward. As I plan to be consistent on the matter as I have been before and now.
Neither have I.
So this was never about you.
Who is the "You" in the sentence above, Jack_TX? Who is the "You"?!
If this was NEVER about me. . . why did you insert me into "You"?!
It is the general "you"[✘]
Oh, so now you make that clear. It is not any fault of mine that you did not specify its general use in some way in your comment. At which point, always assume it will be taken are direct. Moreover, there is an easy remedy. . .just apologize for leaving off relevant information and then correct the record.
I do it as needed.
RIP, Mr Mueller
republican, decorated marine combat veteran, got his law degree, rebuilt the modern FBI serving under 2 presidents of different political parties, answered the call to serve as special council and produce an investigation and then report, which he did. only to get jerked around by a newly appointed partisan AG running the DOJ, that, like his POS boss, lied about the report contents and conclusions, and then classified parts of the report. yeah, now that he's dead, mueller was ready to to be thrown under the maga bus by the cowards that ride in it ...
It is insulting. Trump is an insult to the senses and yet we have to bear it longer.
Something is sticking with me (in my caw) from an earlier discussion about religion and the lack of conservatives upbraid of Trump singling out Mr. Mueller's death as a "good" thing (It is not, per se).
To which 'end, I would like to add this: religion has been used positively for good by progressive Christians in many past and present movements: abolition of slavery, civil rights (Reverends/Drs; Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton, William J. Barber II, and many others), women's rights, World Relief Organization, and World Vision to name a few have done a great service to this country and the world. Granted, conservative Christians have done well also for the world in their own way. . . though, usually there are questionable conditions put on any long-term use of their services.