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A message to the ACLU

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  4 years ago  •  106 comments


A message to the ACLU
So should only liberals and those on the far-left be able to get a college education? Should there be an ideological purity test required that bars conservatives and Republicans?

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It seems that the organization once committed to civil liberties has continued it's post modern conversion into progressive ideology by taking on a young college student at Transylvania University in Kentucky. You know the student. He would like to get an education, unfortunately for the ACLU, he seems to be one who will not cower to the left, thus he must be destroyed.



Before I get to that let me just say good morning to progressives who have been so busy of late:

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Now back to the story of a young man trying to get an education. You wouldn't think the ACLU would try and prevent that, wouldn't you?  Maybe not the ACLU of old, but then again many old fashioned liberals are astonished at what has happened not only to the organization but to their cause.

The following is the statement of the young man we all have come to know:



"Beginning the college year during the coronavirus pandemic is difficult enough for millions of students. But the beginning of my freshman year at Transylvania University in Kentucky  is being made even more difficult by an unwarranted attack against me by the cancel culture due to my conservative views.

Even before starting college I was the subject of a lot of unwanted attention following media coverage of a school trip I took in January 2019 to Washington, D.C. I wore a Make America Great Again hat, expressing my support for  President Trump , as I participated in a pro-life rally at the Lincoln Memorial with fellow students from Covington Catholic High School in Kentucky.

As you may have heard, I was confronted by a Native American activist who stood in front of me and began chanting and banging a drum. I simply stood there and smiled, but some media accounts falsely portrayed me and my fellow students as aggressors who provoked a confrontation. I filed a lawsuit against The Washington Post and CNN.

With that behind me, I recently began my freshman year at Transylvania University in Kentucky. But unbelievably, an official of the American Civil Liberties Union — a liberal group that claims to be dedicated to defending free speech — criticized the university last week for admitting me, saying my admission was a “stain” on the school.

In a Facebook post, Kentucky ACLU staffer Samuel Crankshaw wrote of me that “this kid clearly is a provocateur in training with no intention of learning. He exists only to troll, intimidate and play victim.”
I have never met Crankshaw. He knows nothing about me besides news stories regarding my trip to Washington and lawsuit. Yet still, he tries to cancel me and demand that I be denied admission to college. Why? Because he seems outraged that my conservative values don’t align with his left-wing ideology.
So should only liberals and those on the far-left be able to get a college education? Should there be an ideological purity test required that bars conservatives and Republicans? That’s a pretty frightening idea and sounds like something you would expect in a totalitarian state, not a democracy where we are all guaranteed free speech by the First Amendment to the Constitution

The ACLU claims to support free speech but, at least where Crankshaw seems to be concerned, that only applies if you share his ideas. While he works for an organization founded on inclusivity, he is quick to exclude differing opinions. If you are a conservative like me, watch out. The intolerant left might come for you, too.

As a graduate of Transylvania University, Crankshaw doesn’t deem me worthy of sharing an alma mater with him. How would he have felt if he had been denied admission as a liberal? I imagine he would have been rightfully outraged. But he hypocritically wants my dreams of a higher education canceled.

Jonathan Turley , a scholar known for being a strong advocate of free speech, responded on his blog to defend the need for free speech and defend me from Crankshaw’s attack.

“I have  previously written , as a long supporter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), about my concern over how the venerable group has changed under its current leadership, including a departure from its long robust defense of free speech.” Turley wrote. “Recently, the ACLU has abandoned its famed neutrality and has not supported some on the right while supporting those on the left.”

And then, referring to Crankshaw’s attack on me, Turley wrote that “it is far more alarming to see an ACLU official rallying people against a young man whose chief offense appears to be that he is publicly (and unapologetically) conservative and pro-life.”

Turley is right. Colleges have a reputation of being toxic places for conservative, pro-life ideas like the ones I hold. But an alumni assuming I’ll act in a certain way before even meeting me? Well, that’s a new low.

Crankshaw will be sad to learn that, against his wishes, I feel that I am treated fairly as a student and am looking forward to learning and forming my own opinions over my next four years at Transylvania University.

Sadly, I’m not the only young Republican being attacked for my political beliefs. Conservative students on college campuses across America face attacks just for speaking out and exercising their First Amendment rights.

If the threats to students like me don’t come from the left-leaning administrators, the threats come from fellow students who call on campus leadership to cancel events or shut down student organizations that dare challenge their left-wing view of the world.

The idea of “free speech zones” that some colleges and universities create in an attempt to address this problem is utterly ridiculous. Our entire country is a free speech zone, enshrined by our Founding Fathers in the Constitution. And no one has the right to cancel the Constitution or its First Amendment.

Recently I became a part of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s reelection team because the Kentucky Republican — just like President Donald Trump — will not bend to liberals who wish to rewrite history or cancel you.
Sen. McConnell  said during the Republican National Convention he “won’t be bullied by a liberal media intent on destroying America’s institutions.”

Sen. McConnell and President Trump are the exact leaders we need at a time when liberal mobs take glee in destroying our lives and erasing our voices. Kentucky and our nation need leaders who will stand their ground and empower young conservatives like me to do so as well.

I don’t advocate barring liberals or even socialists from going to college. It is wrong for any of us to demean people who hold different beliefs. Now more than ever, we need more speech, not less. We need to hear new ideas and to learn from others. That is exactly what I and so many students returning to school want to do. I invite Democrats to join us.

Just like President Trump and Sen. McConnell, I’ve fought against those who wish to silence my opinions. While our conservative values might not always be the popular ones held by celebrities and athletes on TV, we will not stop speaking out for what we believe is right.

And to those who are inclined to write my future for me, I say let me define myself. I will not be canceled."

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/covington-catholic-cancel-culture-nick-sandman



Mitch, you've got a good man backing you there. Don't ever let him down.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Nick Sandmann is now a freshman at Transylvania University and a victim of media distortion.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago

With any luck Nick will grow out of being a far right wing stooge. 

Pretty sure, however, that his 15 minutes will likely scar him for life.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.1  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @1.1    4 years ago

he'll be stiffing creditors and grabbing pussy in no time at all.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1    4 years ago
With any luck Nick will grow out of being a far right wing stooge. 

Maybe he could join the pampered elite rioting in democrat controlled cities, just like these affluent progressives:

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The seven “comrades” — including wealthy Upper East Sider Clara Kraebber — had their mug shots tweeted out by the NYPD early Wednesday, days after their arrests for smashing storefront windows in the Flatiron District.  (NYPD)



Pretty sure, however, that this experience will scar him for life.

You mean what the media did to him?  I'm glad to say they're paying for that!

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.3  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @1.1.1    4 years ago

Mr. Rogers would likely find some good in him as well as he would the media.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1.3    4 years ago

Is he your role model?

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.5  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    4 years ago

One could do worse for a role model.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1.5    4 years ago

Just wondering.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.7  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    4 years ago

Who is your role model?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1.7    4 years ago

J J Hunsecker

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.9  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @1.1.7    4 years ago

Mr. Rogers was a Navy Seal sniper with 25 confirmed kills before he was a children's show host. .

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.10  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.8    4 years ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1.9    4 years ago

I heard he was a Republican, but I didn't know about his service. Could you provide a link?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1.10    4 years ago

Actually, it was the character Burt Lancaster played in "Sweet Smell of Success."  You see J J was a gossip columnist who could make or break people with his column.


Here is a scene from the movie:




I'm sure every lefty here thinks that's me.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.14  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.11    4 years ago

Google it. You wouldn't believe any link from me.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1.14    4 years ago
Google it. You wouldn't believe any link from me.

I tried and I couldn't find it. Unfortunately, you are one of those who I feel I need to verify everything. I do the same with the New York Times and Washington Post. If you don't want to post a link that's fine.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.16  Jasper2529  replied to  cjcold @1.1    4 years ago
With any luck Nick will grow out of being a far right wing stooge. 

Why make such a derogatory comment against a young man with whom you've (probably?) never spoken? Do you label him "a far right wing stooge" just because you disagree with his beliefs and think those hateful words will "cancel" him? If yes, your comments illustrate exactly what Nick Sandmann means.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.17  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  cjcold @1.1    4 years ago

I'm pretty sure that smirk boy is scarred all the way to the bank with the money he got.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @1.1    4 years ago

Yes, there are a lot of assholes who will try to make this young man's life difficult because he is (gasp!) a conservative.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.17    4 years ago

The "boy" handled himself a hell of a lot better than the elder, wiser (?) Indian man who walked right UP to him and banged a drum inches from his face.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.17    4 years ago
I'm pretty sure that smirk boy is scarred all the way to the bank with the money he got.

Not so, according to the internet lawyers here, he merely recieved a pittance.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.1.21  Jasper2529  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.16    4 years ago

We can ALL learn from Nick's wise words ...

I don’t advocate barring liberals or even socialists from going to college. It is wrong for any of us to demean people who hold different beliefs. Now more than ever, we need more speech, not less. We need to hear new ideas and to learn from others. That is exactly what I and so many students returning to school want to do. I invite Democrats to join us.
 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.22  cjcold  replied to  Release The Kraken @1.1.12    4 years ago

All sane humans will be voting for Biden.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.1.23  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  cjcold @1.1.9    4 years ago
Mr. Rogers was a Navy Seal sniper with 25 confirmed kills before he was a children's show host. .

Funny how this one keeps coming up even after being debunked by the man himself while he was alive .

he never even served in the military according to snopes  and himself .

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.24  Jasper2529  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.23    4 years ago

Maybe you can help me with this. Who is this Mr. Rogers? Fred Rogers from the long-running PBS children's show?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.1.25  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.24    4 years ago

yup, the long running urban legend is he wore long sleeved shirts and sweaters to cover up his navy and special forces tattoos.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.26  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.23    4 years ago
Funny how this one keeps coming up even after being debunked by the man himself while he was alive

I knew there was a reason why I didn't get a link.

Thank you, Sir.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.27  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.23    4 years ago

And yes Vic, here is one of the reasons you didn't get a link....................

"Fred Rogers has also been the subject of such rumors, all of them false. Not only did Fred Rogers never serve in the military, there are no gaps in his career when he could conceivably have done so. He went straight into college after high school, he moved directly into TV work after graduating college, and his breaks from television work were devoted to attending the Pittsburgh Theological Seminary (he was ordained as a Presbyterian minister in 1963) and the University of Pittsburgh’s Graduate School of Child Development. Moreover, Fred Rogers was born in 1928 and was therefore far too old to have been a draftee during the period of America’s military involvement in the Vietnam ground war (1965-72) and too established in his career at that point to have run off to enlist."

It was BS.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.28  Jasper2529  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.27    4 years ago

and Vic and Mark ... That's what I thought, too. Here's another link debunking what cjcold claimed is true ...

When a public figure is as squeaky-clean as Mr. Rogers, it leaves a void in which scandalous rumors can flourish. And that’s exactly what’s happened.

Indeed, according to urban legend, Mr. Rogers — the man who wore colorful sweaters   hand-knitted by his mother   for more than 900 episodes of his children’s show on public-access television — was a Navy SEAL with many confirmed kills.

It seems just crazy enough to be true. But is it?

Was Mr. Rogers In The Military?

According to urban legend, before Mr. Rogers was a TV host, he was as a sniper (or perhaps a Navy SEAL) during the Vietnam War, with a large number of confirmed kills. Also according to legend, he also has   a tattoo for every confirmed kill   — which is why he always wore long sleeves.

Rogers  indeed registered for the draft  in Greensburg, Pennsylvania on Sept. 13, 1948, when he was 20 years old. For years, he was classified as “1A,” meaning he was available for military service.

But on Oct. 12, 1950, in his final year of college, Rogers reported to the Armed Forces for his physical and his status changed to “4F,” meaning he wasn’t qualified for military service. Those medical records have long been destroyed, so we don’t know why he didn’t pass.

Alas, Mr. Rogers never had a military career. While the U.S. Army fought in Europe, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam, Mr. Rogers was studying music and teaching children about kindness and understanding. The military itself has even   rejected myth .

But even without confirmation from the military, the facts of the Mr. Rogers myth don’t add up.

The Navy SEALs were founded in 1962, the same year Rogers started   Misterogers , the Canadian predecessor to his American television show. And he couldn’t have been a sniper in Vietnam, since U.S. didn’t send ground troops there until 1965, when he was too old to enlist.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.29  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.27    4 years ago

Thank you as well.

It is refreshing to hear some truth here. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.30  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.28    4 years ago

Ah very nice biography of him!  The sickly child who grew to be a vegetarian and host of a tv show for young children.  He looks like what he was and I don't mean that in a negative way.  

Another false narrative has been exposed as false.

We are making progress.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.31  Jasper2529  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.28    4 years ago

One more fact from the link I provided ...

Furthermore, you cannot be a Navy SEAL if you fail the color blindness test, and Rogers was red-green colorblind.
 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.32  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @1.1.9    4 years ago

Oops. Seems I fell for the rumor. Sorry about that.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.33  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.30    4 years ago
Another false narrative has been exposed as false.We are making progress.

Yes ... and Nick Sandmann learned at a much younger age than I did that it's easy to expose false narratives. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.34  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @1.1.32    4 years ago

Never actually watched the TV show (but just watched Tom Hanks play Mr. Rogers in the movie). Once again Hanks hits it out of the park.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.35  Jasper2529  replied to  cjcold @1.1.32    4 years ago
Oops. Seems I fell for the rumor. Sorry about that.

I, for one, appreciate your apology. Thank you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.36  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.33    4 years ago

He did learn, didn't he?  And now he seems to be doing a little teaching.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.1.37  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  cjcold @1.1.32    4 years ago

Sorry , cant resist this one .

Why am i picturing the Norman Rockwell picture of the boy standing in front of his dads dresser , with a look of disbelief , and holding a Santa Claus suit ?

i believe its called ,"the revelation"

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.38  Ronin2  replied to  cjcold @1.1.22    4 years ago

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Sorry, it will be insane to vote for either Biden or Trump. Just like it was to vote for either Hillary or Trump. But since there is no such thing as a legitimate 3rd party in the US, it will be either one or the other.

Pretending Biden isn't as bad as Trump is ignoring Biden's entire history.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.39  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.38    4 years ago
Pretending Biden isn't as bad as Trump is ignoring Biden's entire history.

On what factors are you comparing the two?   For example, Biden is clearly no match for Trump on the asshole factor.   Biden is clearly far more presidential than Trump (not saying much).   Trump is clearly not as bad as Biden on the gaffe factor.   Both men lie, but while Biden will lie on occasion (his bad), Trump seems to be a pathological liar (from what I have observed).

So to me, if we were to compare the two men on who might be more presidential, Biden is the clear winner.    On policy, it is much more difficult to say since Biden's true policies remain to be seen.   But I happen to like select policies of both.   I am quite in favor of supporting science and technology (including space exploration) and am also fully supportive of strategic, well-conceived initiatives to migrate to sensible renewable energy and away from carbon-emitting energy that compromises our environment.    I favor legal immigration and border control and also favor a true infrastructure initiative that actually does lead to modernizing our 1950's based infrastructure.

Neither candidate is going to be fiscally responsible so we are screwed here on both counts.   But Trump could turn out to be less wasteful (less new debt) than Biden.   However, if we had a sensible medical infrastructure initiative (which is not going to happen) I would be supportive of additional government funding (taxation, not more borrowing) to help it succeed (long term it needs to be driven by the private sector with standardization, regulation and resource sharing administration from the government).

So, given that starter, what do you mean by 'bad as'?    What specific factors/dimensions are you comparing?

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.40  cjcold  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.35    4 years ago

Not often wrong but am willing to admit when I've been fooled.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.41  Jasper2529  replied to  cjcold @1.1.40    4 years ago
Not often wrong but am willing to admit when I've been fooled.

Owning one's mistakes is a character trait I respect. I do the same. Again, thank you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.42  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    4 years ago

I always thought your hero was a cross between David Koch and Rush Limbaugh with a touch of Robert J. Welch. 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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1.1.43  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  cjcold @1.1.9    4 years ago

That would be cool, but not according to his bio info...

Occupations: Children's television presenter, actor, puppeteer, singer, composer, television producer, author, educator, Presbyterian minister

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.44  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1.1    4 years ago

"he'll be stiffing creditors and grabbing pussy in no time at all."

He probably already has a history of pussy grabbing.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.45  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.42    4 years ago

David Koch is a libertarian. Rush Limbaugh is a radio personality. Iv'e never listened to one of his shows. Robert Welch was a conspiracy theorist which would make him a hero for you.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.46  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    4 years ago

I saw all those faces on Tucker Carlson a few minutes ago.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.47  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @1.1.22    4 years ago

That would be an act of insanity

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago

I gave up on the ACLU (American Civil Leftist Union) many years ago. I remember the day when they would routinely go to bat for the little people wronged by the system, but those days are long gone in my opinion. Now it is all about political ideology and which cases are high profile enough and generate the most publicity.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    4 years ago

One of the original founders of the organization has said something similar:

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2.2  cjcold  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    4 years ago

The ACLU doesn't have near enough money to fight every battle.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  cjcold @1.2.2    4 years ago

Never meant to imply they did, but my above statement still stands.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 years ago

Vic,

He was not one of the original members... I just checked. Here is his bio:

Zaid Jilani is a journalist who hails from Atlanta, Georgia. He has previously worked as a reporter-blogger for ThinkProgress, United Republic, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, and Alternet. He is the cohost of the podcast “Extremely Offline.”

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.2.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    4 years ago

Ed,

When was the last time you looked at the cases they are in the process of taking?

And did you know that the NRA is one of their biggest supporters? Does that seem to fit in with a strictly liberal agenda?

Again, I really don't think you folks know how the organization works. Please read here:

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.5    4 years ago

High profile is still high profile.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.4    4 years ago
Vic, He was not one of the original members... I just checked. Here is his bio:

Perrie,

He is the writer of the article, The original member was:

  We  should listen to Ira Glasser , the legendary former ACLU executive director who helmed the organization from 1978 to 2001.


Get it!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.5    4 years ago
Again, I really don't think you folks know how the organization works.

Perrie, We know how it works. It once was a liberal organization, today it is far left and if you read my article you would know that even Ira Glasser, the legendary founder, agrees with me!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.6    4 years ago

OK, I don't understand the high profile comment. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.2.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.8    4 years ago

He agrees with you on what level? My father in law actually knew Ira Glasser, and all the inner turmoil Skokie brought that ACLU. Do you actually think that they wouldn't take a case like that now? My advice is to check out their site. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.2.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.8    4 years ago

That is not what Ira Glasser said that was quoted in the article. 

“I regard all this as tragic,” Glasser said earlier this year of the organization’s political shift. “Not because an organization doesn’t have the right to change and say we don’t want to be a civil liberties organization anymore, we want to be a progressive, social justice organization. It can do that. But there’s two problems with that. One is, while it’s doing it, it’s denying that it’s doing it. It’s being intellectually dishonest. And the second thing is, that there is nothing to replace it.”

And he has the right to his opinion since it was his sweat it was built on. But he never said anything about it going from a  "liberal organization, today it is far". He is saying that their mission has changed, and they are not being honest about it. I looked at their cases and to me, it seems that they are doing both.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.11    4 years ago
But he never said anything about it going from a  "liberal organization, today it is far". He is saying that their mission has changed, and they are not being honest about it. I looked at their cases and to me, it seems that they are doing both.

CLEARLY HE DID! YOU ARE DEFYING HIS OWN WORDS!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago

Great seed!  

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2  SteevieGee    4 years ago

This kid is a crybaby.  He's in college so his opinions haven't kept him out.  He has to leave the echo chamber to do it though.  Others have opinions too and they have the right to voice them.  Most of these opinions will be to the left of his because he's so far to the right.  The ACLU has defended the confederate flag, Nazis, The Westboro Baptists, and Rush Limbaugh.  They aren't on the fringe this guy is.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  SteevieGee @2    4 years ago
He's in college so his opinions haven't kept him out.

But he is being smeared, needlessly by the ACLU. You don't think he should respond?


 The ACLU has defended the confederate flag, Nazis, The Westboro Baptists, and Rush Limbaugh. 

That was the old ACLU. I'm sure they wouldn't do that today.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
2.1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 years ago

When you say he's being smeared by the ACLU you're referring to this?

“this kid clearly is a provocateur in training with no intention of learning. He exists only to troll, intimidate and play victim.”

Even ACLU staffers have a right to their opinion.  I think he's right.  This article is a bunch of whining and crying about others having opinions.  He's not at Covington Catholic anymore.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.1    4 years ago

Yes, I'm referring to that!


Even ACLU staffers have a right to their opinion.

Give us a break - that slanderous opinion was national news. Sandmann is simply attending college.

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Snuffy
Professor Participates
2.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    4 years ago

If the left is going to excuse the social media statement by an ACLU staffer as just their opinion which they have a right to then they really need to shut up about President Trump on social media also.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.3    4 years ago

Isn't it strange that double standard never draws much attention?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
2.1.5  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    4 years ago

Yes.  He's "simply attending college".    Which, of course, means that he wasn't denied admission.  What's the problem with this whiny crybaby anyway?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.5    4 years ago
What's the problem with this whiny crybaby anyway?

He doesn't have to take shit from the left. Nobody should!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.1.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    4 years ago

To the liberal left, double standar only applies to the conservative right and not to the liberal left. In their eyes, they are as pure as the newfallen snow...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.7    4 years ago

They at least they feel the end game is pure. Anything & everything can be justified as long as it gets us all to their "Utopia!"

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    4 years ago

What "shit" is he taking? One guy speaks out? That's called freedom of speech, right? I don't agree with the guy, but as long as it had no effect on him, then this is just more public moaning and groaning. 

btw.. the people you featured as "Progressives" at the start of the article are communists not progressives. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    4 years ago
Give us a break - that slanderous opinion was national news. Sandmann is simply attending college. What is wrong with progressives, that they can't be the least bit civil or decent. Give us a break - that slanderous opinion was national news. Sandmann is simply attending college. What is wrong with progressives, that they can't be the least bit civil or decent. Give me a reason why progressives deserve to live among us?

You do realize the irony of that statement, right?

One guy has an opinion and it becomes about all progressives?

And then you top it off with, "Give me a reason why progressives deserve to live among us?" Do you not get, that you are doing what you are complaining?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.9    4 years ago
What "shit" is he taking? One guy speaks out? That's called freedom of speech, right?

Are you serious Perrie?  How would you like your kids called "a stain on the school publicly before the entire nation?"


btw.. the people you featured as "Progressives" at the start of the article are communists not progressives. 

Should I apologize to Communists?


 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.10    4 years ago
You do realize the irony of that statement, right? One guy has an opinion and it becomes about all progressives?

Have you noticed they all say the same thing, even using the same words?  Take a look at the NT front page, full of BS stories. That should concern us all Perrie.


And then you top it off with, "Give me a reason why progressives deserve to live among us?"

I'm looking for a reason to accept post modern progressives as fellow human beings.


Do you not get, that you are doing what you are complaining?

Perrie, we had to drop two Atom bombs on Japan to finally end WWII.  I hope you understand.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
2.1.13  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    4 years ago

Actually, he does.  That's called the Constitution.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
2.1.14  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.13    4 years ago

Actually, he does.  That's called the Constitution.

the right to free speech does not include the right to be listened too or taken seriously.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
2.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 years ago
But he is being smeared, needlessly by the ACLU. 

Actually, he wasn't. 

Samuel Crankshaw posted on his personal twitter account which clearly states:

work for @ACLUofKY and they def don’t endorse this account

In short, Crankshaw was speaking as a private citizen and has the SAME right to speech as Sandmann. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.11    4 years ago
Are you serious Perrie?  How would you like your kids called "a stain on the school publicly before the entire nation?"

That was a facebook post to a very public figure who has made sure to stay in public life. The poster did not get on TV and make a public announcement, so it is hardly national until it was made national. 

btw.. the people you featured as "Progressives" at the start of the article are communists not progressives. 

Should I apologize to Communists?

Sorry, your cute answer does not negate the fact that you are trying to paint Progressives as communists. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.12    4 years ago
I'm looking for a reason to accept post modern progressives as fellow human beings.

Because they are human beings. You might disagree with them, but they are not sub-human either. 

Do you not get, that you are doing what you are complaining?

Perrie, we had to drop two Atom bombs on Japan to finally end WWII.  I hope you understand.

OK, what am I missing here?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dulay @2.1.15    4 years ago
In short, Crankshaw was speaking as a private citizen and has the SAME right to speech as Sandmann. 

Exactly my point.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
2.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.18    4 years ago
Exactly my point.

Yet Sandmann omitted that relevant fact from his "virtue signaling" whine. I guess that fact didn't fit into his 'story' about being victimized by the big bad ACLU. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
2.1.20  Dulay  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.17    4 years ago
OK, what am I missing here?

You're missing that he is implying that those he doesn't view as fellow human beings could therefore be viewed as collateral damage. You know, like the thousands of civilians who died in Japan. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dulay @2.1.19    4 years ago

Well, there would be no story to tell other than a fellow classmate doesn't like him.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dulay @2.1.20    4 years ago

I hope not. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.23  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.16    4 years ago

You mean there much of a difference between them?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.24  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @2.1.19    4 years ago

The ACLU is bad.  Thus we have the ACLJ instead!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.25  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @2.1.20    4 years ago

The death toll would have been up to another million Americans and 5-10 million more Japanese with out the bombs and since Russia declared war on Japan at the end a divided Japan as well as Korea.  All the reasonable moral arguments are on the side of what President Truman decided to do.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.26  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.16    4 years ago
Sorry, your cute answer does not negate the fact that you are trying to paint Progressives as communists. 

You saw a Communist flag and you are holding that up to mean the whole mob was Communist. How do you know that?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @2    4 years ago

Being denied admission to college because of personal politics is sad to see in America.

That is what the guy from the ACLU wants to happen.

Think about that for just one second.

The freaking ACLU has in its employ someone who wants to band Nick because of his politics.

I am sure no one on the left thinks anything wrong with that.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.2.1  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    4 years ago

I just can't stand anybody who smirks. whether this punk or Trump.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    4 years ago

Texan,

My father in law (now 92) was a member of the ACLU, and it seems that no one here understands how that organization works. 

There are people of varying POV's in the ACLU. The people on the board receive the cases and then post them. Then member lawyers volunteer their time to the cases. Lawyers take cases that interest them and do all the work Pro Bona. 

One board member speaking out is just that. One member. 

Now I personally don't think that it's cool of him to do that, but obviously, the university paid no mind and he's in. 

btw... The person held who wrote for "The Forward", never worked for the ACLU. Here is his bio:

Zaid Jilani is a journalist who hails from Atlanta, Georgia. He has previously worked as a reporter-blogger for ThinkProgress, United Republic, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, and Alternet. He is the cohost of the podcast “Extremely Offline.”

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.2.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.2    4 years ago

Wait! The misinformation only gets better. This staffer wrote his comment on Facebook. Here is what he actually said:

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So the ACLU never supported this. This is some staffer, who went to Transylvania U making a personal statement on FB. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
2.2.4  evilone  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.3    4 years ago

Hahahaha! Nice, Perrie.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.3    4 years ago

That's too bad Perrie. It all reflects on an organization who's reputation is already long gone, but do keep trying to cover for them.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @2.2.1    4 years ago

well, too bad if you don't like smirking, or can't tell a smirk from a smile.

what does that have to do with it?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.2    4 years ago

ok. but I guarantee you that had a conservative written it, liberals would be calling for him to be fired or worse.

why does the yahoo think Sandman doesn't deserve to go to college anyways? heck, next he would be complaining how the kid didn't try to get an education.

this really doesn't have anything to do with the ACLU. other than the guy works there.  might be interesting to see if they do anything to him.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
2.2.8  SteevieGee  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    4 years ago

Who was denied admission to college?  Turley is in college right now.  He hasn't been denied anything.  What he wants is a college where only his opinion is allowed.  Might I suggest Liberty U?  Maybe a good choice.  I hear they allow coloreds though so maybe not.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
2.2.9  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.7    4 years ago
  might be interesting to see if they do anything to him.

he will get a promotion/

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @2.2.8    4 years ago

dude. read my entire post

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.2.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.5    4 years ago

That is not a cover. That is the actual posting that Sandman is referring to. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.2.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.7    4 years ago

Why would they do anything to him. He was perfectly clear it was his opinion and not that of the ACLU. It would be kind of ironic if the very organization that protects free speech, fires a staffer for speaking his mind. 

Btw, for the record, I disagree with him. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    4 years ago

I thought I made it clear that I know it isn't the ACLU's position.

but the guy works for them, is that the kind of guy who they want working for them?

lots of people have been fired for voicing a personal opinion about something contrary to company beliefs.

why is the jerk hellbent on Sandman not going to his alma mater?

 
 

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