Priorities, bureaucrats and the coronavirus vaccine
As we watch the uneven and at times disturbing roll out of the coronavirus vaccine it is important to remember who is responsible for prioritizing who gets the vaccine first and then who gets the following batches. That grave responsibility goes to our elite "experts" at the CDC. The same incompetents who were woefully unprepared for the pandemic that killed so many Americans and destroyed a vibrant economy.
After the lord high heath "expert" Dr Fauci told us all that it was improbable that a vaccine would be developed within a year, we soon learned that "Operation Warp Speed" would deliver a vaccine in that very time period! Once it was known that a vaccine was very likely, the same medical "experts" that told us that those over 65 years old were "our most vulnerable", began to dither about who should receive the vaccine first. To nobody's surprise the CDC made their recommendations along ideological lines. The first group would include the nation's health care workers and most specifically front line doctors & nurses. A whopping 21 million individuals! I don't think anyone has any problem with that. Added to that was nursing home residents and those over 75 years old. So, what happened to those over 65? Did they get kicked into phase 1b? Nope! They got kicked all the way to the end of the line!
Why?
That is open to serious debate.
"Healthcare personnel and residents of long-term care facilities should be offered the first doses of COVID-19 vaccines
Phase 1a
CDC recommends that initial supplies of COVID-19 vaccine be allocated to healthcare personnel and long-term care facility residents. This is referred to as Phase 1a. CDC made this recommendation on December 3, 2020.
Phase 1b
- Frontline essential workers such as fire fighters, police officers, corrections officers, food and agricultural workers, United States Postal Service workers, manufacturing workers, grocery store workers, public transit workers, and those who work in the educational sector (teachers, support staff, and daycare workers.)
- People aged 75 years and older because they are at high risk of hospitalization, illness, and death from COVID-19. People aged 75 years and older who are also residents of long-term care facilities should be offered vaccination in Phase 1a.
Phase 1c
- People aged 65—74 years because they are at high risk of hospitalization, illness, and death from COVID-19. People aged 65—74 years who are also residents of long-term care facilities should be offered vaccination in Phase 1a.
- People aged 16—64 years with underlying medical conditions which increase the risk of serious, life-threatening complications from COVID-19.
- Other essential workers , such as people who work in transportation and logistics, food service, housing construction and finance, information technology, communications, energy, law, media, public safety, and public health.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations.html
As for the roll out of the vaccine, we have more disturbing details. It seems our ruling elite have inserted themselves into the front of the line. All to prove that the vaccine is safe, don't ya know! It's not just Joe Biden. Kamala Harris and AOC getting the vaccine! It's all of congress and their staffers:
"Congress' attending physician informed lawmakers Monday night that two staffers in every House member and senator's personal offices are now eligible to receive the coronavirus vaccine.
In addition, the Office of the Attending Physician is offering the vaccine to four staffers of every committee chair and every ranking committee member."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/28/congress-staff-coronavirus-vaccine-451833
In MA felons get the priority:
"Massachusetts inmates will be some of the first to get the coronavirus vaccines after health care workers, emergency medical workers and residents of long-term care facilities get vaccinated.
How about sabotage?
"A Wisconsin hospital worker has been fired for intentionally removing COVID-19 vaccine from a refrigerator – forcing the hospital to throw out more than 500 doses. Aurora Medical Center – Grafton, outside Milwaukee, said Wednesday that 57 vials of Moderna vaccine were taken out of a pharmacy refrigerator and left overnight.
The hospital launched an investigation and was led to believe inadvertent human error was to blame, reported CBS 2 Chicago . But on Wednesday, the worker who was responsible admitted to doing it on purpose, Advocate Aurora Health said.
The hospital said it had "notified appropriate authorities for further investigation."
https://news.yahoo.com/hospital-worker-fired-ruining-hundreds-083200237.html?
So who is the worker? Is he only going to be fired?
Most importantly, why did he deliberately destroy 500 doses?
The nation was put through the ringer in 2020. Most Americans demonstrated perseverance, resilience, and incredible patience. On the other hand our elites demonstrated their greed, hypocrisy, and indifference:
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Tens of thousands of inmates will be offered the shots ahead of home health aides, seniors and medically vulnerable residents, joining people who live in homeless shelters and other congregate settings who will be vaccinated by the end of February, The New York Times reported."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-inmates-get-coronavirus-vaccine
So let's see, "Operation Warp Speed" was a brilliant success. The decision making at CDC was a failure and the rollout was overtaken by the ruling class.
Anything else?
It has been a terrible year. For the most part the American people have demonstrated perseverance and resilience. On the other side of the coin, our elites have demonstrated greed, hypocrisy, and indifference to death and suffering.
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Elected officials have flouted their own pandemic rules and restrictions. They have treated the vaccine the same way.
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obviously those that are on the front lines of the fight against covid should be at the front of the vaccination line. those that reject covid safety protocols and/or have publicly exhibited their contempt should be at the end of the line.
And I stated that: "I don't think anyone has any problem with that."
those that reject covid safety protocols and/or have publicly exhibited their contempt should be at the end of the line.
Are you saying that people between the ages of 65 and 75 rejected safety protocols?
The link you gave says nothing about that
no, I'm saying people that have rejected using masks, social distancing, and have gathered in large groups should be at the very end of the vaccination lines. buh bye.
That's fine. I'm a bit concerned about those whom the CDC told us were "most vulnerable" for the past 6 or 7 months. Why has the CDC kicked them to the end of the line?
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Why prioritize the elderly ? They're pretty much 80% through their lives already. Vaccinate the young, it's going to be their world, they should be alive to deal with it.
You then could make the same case when the life of a woman is threatened by the birth of a child. I assume you are joking? Or just walking that line?
I just have my preferences on who should get vaccinated last. too bad facial recognition couldn't be used against those that violated safety protocols and were in large groups, like militant churches and political rallies for example.
Because younger people rarely die from it
From the article....
Some believe that the shift in infections from old to young is the primary explanation for the drop in mortality. A recent medRxiv preprint concluded that the relationship between infection fatality rate and age may be exponential. The researchers found that the age-specific infection fatality rate was extremely low among children and young adults, measuring 0.002% at age 10 and 0.01% at 25. However, the rate progressively increased with age, growing from 0.4% at 55 to around 15% at 85.
No not at all, the woman is still young and already a fully formed, living, breathing human being .
And no, I'm neither joking nor " walking that line" whatever that means.
Feeling pangs of guilt?
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Its a god damned lie. That’s why. Period
Here in California the ICU beds are at full capacity. They said on the news they will have to begin prioritizing who gets ventilators based on the patients' chances for survival. It should be the same for the vaccines.
The supply of vaccines is limited. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Think again. Gov. DeSantis isn't prioritizing health care workers. He's decided to have senior citizens line up outside overnight to be vaccinated on a first come, first serve basis.
That seems to me like making a hungry person serve food at the soup kitchen but denying them a meal.
So you are saying let the most vulnerable wait and vaccinate the least vulnerable. That is a very strange argument, however in some ways it seems that the CDC is taking that path. Is it because they agree with the argument that you put forward - " They're pretty much 80% through their lives already" or is there another reason?
From the Daily Mail (among others):
"But a document that was circulated in November to (the advisory panel), suggested that the fact that racial and ethnic minorities are underrepresented among those older than 65 is a reason for giving lower priority to that age group as a whole and instead vaccinating more than 100 million 'essential workers' ahead of them.
'The effect would be that more people over all would die - and also that more members of racial and ethnic minorities would die, because the higher fatality rate in older people would outweigh their lower share of representation in that age group."
Oh, could it be that those darling progressives over at the CDC have made a decision based on race?
There it is Pat.
I'll bet the little people of Fresno get them last!
You think again! I only said it was reasonable. I didn't say they were the only first priority!
Gov. DeSantis isn't prioritizing health care workers. He's decided to have senior citizens line up outside overnight to be vaccinated on a first come, first serve basis.
And one could justifiably argue for that too!
Actually Vic, the FIRST time you said a fucking thing about anything being 'reasonable' is in the above comment.
I quoted what you actually said:
My statement of fact about DeSantis proved that wrong. Live with it.
Oh I would love to hear your argument for seniors sleeping overnight in parking lots. Please proceed.
Like it means it's exclusive. And again that means just what I said! It doesn't mean that the elderly don't belong with them. After all the damn CDC tucked in those over 75 with 'em!
My statement of fact about DeSantis proved that wrong.
Your statement about DeSantis only proves that states can and will deviate from CDC guidelines. As I pointed out MA has put fucking felons in the top priority groups.
No, they will triage patients based on the percentage chances of survival. If one covid patient is barely alive they will use resources for other patients that are more likely to survive. It's pretty simple if morbid but that's what it's come to here.
We all have an equal chance with a vaccine. No need to sacrifice anyone, [Deleted]
I thought it means that you didn't think anyone has any problem with health care workers going first.
Yet DeSantis is doling out about 90,000 dose regiments from the first tranche among about 6 MILLION people on a first come first serve basis. At least health care workers don't have to sleep in parking lots to get in line...
Correct. Nor should anyone have a problem with the elderly going first.
Yet DeSantis is doling out about 90,000 dose regiments from the first tranche among about 6 MILLION people on a first come first serve basis.
"The first wave of COVID-19 vaccinations in Florida went primarily to people under age 65, as Gov. Ron DeSantis says the state is pivoting to give the vast majority of shots to seniors due to their increased risk of illness and death from the coronavirus.
DeSantis on Wednesday released an executive order that made clear people 65 and older will have priority for shots, though he acknowledged the state will not immediately have enough vaccine doses for all of Florida’s millions of seniors.
“Our first priority for the general population, once the nurses, doctors and long-term care facilities are done, is to vaccinate people 65 and up,” DeSantis said during a stop at Ascension Sacred Heart Hospital Pensacola, which got its first vaccine shipment this week.
As of Tuesday night, 12.5 percent of COVID-19 vaccinations in the state had been administered to people 65 and older, according to data posted on the Florida Department of Health website.
Of the 68,133 vaccine doses administered from Dec. 14 to Tuesday, 8,524 had gone to people 65 and older, with 1,439 administered to people 85 and older. Conversely, people ages 35 to 44 received the most vaccination doses, accounting for 22.2 percent of the total during the period.
The data reflect that the first round of vaccine doses went to front-line health care workers and residents and staff members at long term care facilities, which were the two groups that the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended receive vaccinations during the early weeks when demand outpaces supply. Nearly 59 percent of the initial wave of vaccinations in Florida went to women.
Florida hospitals have been responsible for getting front-line health workers vaccinated, with a shipment of 100,000 Pfizer vaccine doses going last week to five facilities: UF Health Jacksonville, AdventHealth Orlando, Tampa General Hospital, Memorial Healthcare System in Broward County and Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami-Dade. Another 170-plus hospitals were slated to receive doses of a Moderna vaccine beginning this week.
The federal government signed agreements with CVS Health and Walgreens to administer the vaccine in long-term care facilities. Neither of the pharmacy chains started providing vaccinations to Florida long-term care residents until this week, according to corporate announcements.
Irked at the delay, DeSantis last week ordered Florida National Guard-led “strike” teams into nursing facilities in Broward and Pinellas counties to administer the vaccine to residents. The DeSantis administration also provided Pfizer doses to six long-term care facilities in Miami- Dade."
Just think - here in MA people between 65-75 have to wait until phase 2. The CDC recommends leaving them for phase 3.
Yet the "nurses, doctors and long-term care facilities" are NOT done yet. There are an estimated 500,000 health care workers and about 85,000 in long term care facilities. FL only got enough doses for 90,000 this month.
AFTER Desantis fulfills his own claim, you may have a point.
Of course not. There are a whopping 21 Million health care workers nationwide, plus those over 75 and those in nursing homes. So if Pfizer has 40 Million vaccines, which require 2 doses - there won't be enough for phase 1. Now Moderna is in the mix and that will be a big help.
Obviously you don't understand the CDC recommendations that you posted.
Well, actually :
As you can see, all of these (a,b,c) have a "1" in front of them, indicating that they are in the first phase of the inoculation. So they really are not " kicked all the way to the end of the line! " as you contend, but are actually still fairly near the front of the line. So, you either are being obtuse or disingenuous in your line of reasoning. My money is on the latter, seeing as how you lead the readers with such obvious slanted words as " After the lord high heath "expert" Dr Fauci ...." and " That grave responsibility goes to our elite "experts" at the CDC. The same incompetents who were woefully unprepared for the pandemic that killed so many Americans and destroyed a vibrant economy. " I mean, is the CDC really culpable for the destruction of our economy? Seems to me it was Donald Trump who hamstrung the CDC in the first place by inserting himself into the mix and playing at being an expert, thereby politicising the whole of the government's response to the pandemic. (By the way, the CDC has classes that prepare individuals for just such an outbreak and the things that they teach were not followed, at all.)
It would really help if the numbers of people getting vaccinated were higher. Less than 3 million by today when the government was predicting 20 million by the new year.
Keep up the good work! Who knows, such obviously slanted articles could get you a job at OAN.
Happy New Year!
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This guy was an anti mask and anti social distancing guy. He held superspreader events where there was neither enforced.
Lol, Really? Then show us phase 2 or 3. Where are they? The people aren't stupid. Who is left after 1c???
Keep up the good work! Who knows, such obviously slanted articles could get you a job at OAN.
You too! Suddenly the flag button is missing. Another little glitch I suppose!
The rest of the country who is below 64 years and not deemed essential workers. That would be the rest of us. Cry your crocodile tears somewhere else.
Paranoia? What, now you think I have power to control site functions? On your computer? You flatter me, but there may be someone behind you... Booo!!!
Let's not forget, many "young" also help care for the elderly (doctors, nurses, support staff, family, just to name a few examples). So if the young are not vaccinated, they risk spreading Covid to the elderly.
Teachers are certainly not essential....
Teachers are certainly not essential....
Is that sarcasm? Lol, probably not. Leave to the group clamoring for kids to be back in school to claim teachers aren’t essential. My granddaughter brought the coronavirus home from school in Florida and infected her mother as well. My wife (elementary school principal) is struggling to find replacement teachers and other staff for all the ones in her school who keep catching it, and they aren’t even in the hybrid model stage yet. You couldn’t be more wrong if you were indeed serious.
Shouldn't that be Rubio?
This just in:
China approves first coronavirus vaccine http:// hill.cm/tSuOW86
From the story:
" China gave conditional approval to a vaccine developed by state-backed pharmaceutical firm Sinopharm.
Clinical studies have shown the vaccine has an over 79 percent efficacy rate. The approval makes China the latest in a spree of countries to greenlight an array of shots as the world braces for an expected spike in cases over the winter months."
79 percent efficacy rate. Does that mean they didn't steal it?
"The CDC Data Tracker says more than 13 million coronavirus vaccines have been distributed in the U.S. but only 4.2 million people have been inoculated. States have been overwhelmed by the process and have received little, if any, direction from the federal government about how best to deliver the vaccines to the public. "
Suddenly nurses and nurse's aids don't know how to give shots?
How about we suspend all state aid for a while?
It's not just about giving the shots. There's the issue of proper storage, transport, reconstitution, scheduling, ect.. Covid vaccines must be stored at very low temperatures and given within a specific time frame once removed from refrigeration and reconstituted. Not all facilities might have the means to properly store the vaccine. Otherwise it must be disposed of. People need to also schedule 2 shots, 3-4 weeks apart, depending in which vaccine they're receiving. I could go on, but I think you get the idea.
Thanks for updating us on what we already know. There should be no problem with getting people vaccinated.
If you already know it, then you can see there are multiple conditions which might slow the distribution of the vaccine. I would hope there's no problem. But things don't always go smoothly.
Dr Fauci has already owned it and promised to do better this week!
Good. That doesn't change anything I said. But good.
If you think that's good this is even better:
What it boils down to is there is too much demand and not enough supply to go around. So supplies have to be carefully allocated until supply meets demand. The requirement of a second dose, among other things, only compounds the problem.
That is an understatement, however there are guidelines for who gets it at various stages. We are close to the first group getting their second shot. Production is already being ramped up and soon I expect CVS & Walgreens will be ready to give shots, just like they give flu shots.
Link?
Again:
After all this time you should know better than to reply to ME with links that do NOT support the statement you made Vic.
Post a link that actually supports your statement:
Neither of your links do so.
The nurse who comes to my house on Mondays (Heart rate problems) will be getting the vaccine this week.
Dr Fauci's statement is another matter. What the fuck are you talking about now?
Here's the link for that one as well:
"Fauci conceded there were “no excuses”. But he insisted the pace was beginning to pick up and that an average of 500,000 people a day were now receiving a shot."
Very good. Shot #1?
No Vic, your MIS-characterization of Fauci's statement is THE matter of our discussion.
I asked you to support what YOU claimed Fauci said. Here it is AGAIN:
You posted 2 links that do NOT support what you claimed.
Now, you've posted a THIRD link and STILL NOTHING you linked supports that statement. Just stop.
When I was a nurses aid, it was not legal for nurses aides to give shots. It was not allowed for us to even give meds, period. We could provide them and observe whether or not they were taken (for purposes of recordkeeping). That is it.
So the already overburdened and stressed-out nurses should stop caring for the rest of the patients so they can give vaccinations?
That has to be the most foolish and tone-deaf statement that I have heard today, but the day is young and I haven't read the rest of your comments. Could you tell me how, exactly, suspending all state aid could improve the performance of efforts to vaccinate the overwhelming majority of the country?
Seems like a little bit of specific training might go a long way in expediting the distribution and administration of the vaccine.
They were first to get the vaccine. People have put their lives on the line to defend this nation, it's time to go that extra mile. That's why nursing is a special calling.
Yesterday the infamous Dr Fauci said "No excuses, we are behind, give us another week and we should be getting much more into people's arms."
Time to go the extra mile?!?!
What have they been doing throughout this crisis? Here. We know that you just finished your 12 hr shift for the umpteenth consecutive day, but could you give a little more so I can sit on my couch at home and be a keyboard jockey? Thanks! Your swell.
Here's some good news then:
Link for that quote please.
Actual transcript............
So Vic's 'quote' was false. Thanks.
Why doesn't that surprise me?
The predictability of those that lack credibility?
No it was spot on. Again your shit isn't sticking and it stinks.
Because you probably had the same teachers. That's who I should be debating - the lefty professors who taught so many to think the way they do.
Yup, you're still batting zero.
Really Vic? Then where the fuck is your post to Jim about him posting the WRONG link for the WRONG quotation?
Your comment was a LIE Vic. You 'paraphrased' a comment by Dr. Fauci and misrepresented it as a QUOTED statement, in one case even using quotation marks.
YOU made the choice to fabricate shit.
You COULD have posted an authentic quotation but it didn't quite bolster your agenda sufficiently, did it Vic?
So you alter the comment to fit your worldview, GOT CAUGHT and now you're trying to pretend it didn't happen.
It did. Man up.
I expect instead that you will fall to your MO and lock your seed.
Oh look, a 'I'm rubber you're glue' comment.
That's quite a presumption there Vic. Especially since you know little about me, much less when & where I attended school or what my teachers were like. But by all means, continue with the transparent attempt at taunting and presumption. You only end up making yourself look foolish.
States knew months ago that the plan was for the federal government to deliver the vaccines to the states and the states to administer the shots as they were closer to the population and would be (should be) better positioned to know the needs of each local. I even remember one of Cuomo's TV addresses where he outlined all the planning and preparation New York was working on to be ready for the vaccines. Then when the vaccines were delivered it all fell apart?
Correct. As we speak mayor de Blasio is still prioritizing neighborhoods!
As for Cuomo, I give him credit for one thing and one thing only - he will wait his proper place in line before he takes the vaccine.
It is about how states handle it.
Seriously Vic? WTAF! Do you think that nurses and nurse's aids are just hanging out sipping lattes?
Nearly every health care system in this country is overwhelmed TREATING Covid 19 patients Vic. There are 16 states at 80% of their ICU beds filled. They are stretched thin and in some states on the edge of collapse.
It's all part of the profession.
Supercilious.