The question that gave Jen Psaki fits
"I certainly welcome you to present your data of all of the thousands and thousands of people who won’t be getting a green job"
Peter Doocy keeps asking real questions - the questions that can't be answered.
Psaki is really bad at this. And with only a tiny handful of reporters asking real questions to have to contend with such a potent question was too much.
Courtesy of "the Raw Story", which somehow saw this as a "smack down" .....LMAO!
The question is when ?
The answer keeps coming back "He has every plan to do exactly that."
They need work now, so when?
Needless to say, she didn't like being pressed on what's the plan for laid off workers to get these fantastical "green" jobs that Biden keeps talking about.
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Funny to watch!
what's really funny is knowing the original purpose of KXL was to eliminate US rail and trucking jobs.
Ahhh yes... she should have told Doocy those jobs will come right before all those thousands of Foxconn jobs Trump & Walker promised years back.
Psaki Translator: I have no freakin' idea where these green jobs are going to come from!
I love her oft used "I'll circle back with you on that". don't recall ANY of Trump's press secretaries using that line.
Nope, they just straight up lied.
Two weeks seemed to be the mantra.
Or she'll downplay the CDC study on safe school openings. That's what happens when "the science" gets in the way of the all powerful Teachers Union!
So you think donald and company did not lie? How about his healthcare plan that was always 'two weeks' away...
How about sticking to the question of jobs?
I believe we were discussing his press secretaries................
I don't agree with the shut down of XL as you and I have already discussed. It's not about jobs though. AT&T laid off more than that thousand after they got the Trump tax cuts. This isn't about XL or jobs it's about using AGW and green tech as a wedge issue. It's not going to be hard to find a green sector job or one adjacent soon enough and this has little to do with the Biden Admin. It's the way the world is moving. Like everything else we lead, follow or get out the way.
And the teachers union has what all to do with it?
I am bringing up the complete hypocrisy and disconnect.
I knew this would happen. At every chance the right screamed and yelled about how the press core was unprofessional. Out to get the donald administration. They weren't asking questions, they were harassing.
Now that the tables are turned, it is comical to me that people are cheering on what they were just complaining about a month before...
The world is changing whether people want it to or not.
Just look at GM going all electric.
I think it's about Biden finding himself between the Unions and environmentalists. As I said before Obama kind of avoided it by studying the project to death. Biden when faced with these competing democrat interests has consistently gone with the hard left. Sanders is right - Biden just might be the most progressive president in history.
Just like this incident, It was another occasion when Psaki had to deflect.
Haha. That is about right...
Biden ran on this Green New Deal as a bone to the Progressives. There was a lot of this stuff on his election website. It's the unions job to bitch about things and lobby for more. It's what they get elected to do. In this particular case the railroad picks up the slack and those guys start hiring more. They have a union too.
The jobs were only temporary anyway.
Why everyone is acting like their complete retirement is gone I don't get.
Faux outrage over a pipeline that is going to enrich a foreign company.
He was also caught between the teachers union and a progressive major. He bowed to the teachers union in the face of medical science.
Biden ran on this Green New Deal as a bone to the Progressives.
Two weeks in and he has thrown them a lot of bones - Open borders, raising the lid on refugee admissions, lifting the ban on dangerous failed states, purging the military and putting Susan Rice in charge of domestic policy.
You've already gone off topic with CDC school openings and teachers union whining Vic.
Wrong;
The seeder/author sets the topic. It can be as broad as I like.
In Post 1 you may note that I haven't ruled anything specifically off topic.
How about sticking to the question of jobs?
Nope. The borders won't be open any more than they have ever been. They just won't be as closed as Trump made them. He's adjusted back to 60 years of previous general policy. While on the surface this appeases Progressives, the results will continue to piss them off, because it's the nature of our established laws that Congress hasn't changed.
Again part of his platform and thus expected. And he's said many, many times, "...they won't all get in."
If you didn't see the lift on Iran you're blind. He helped negotiate the deal under the Obama Admin. Of course he was going to "course correct". I don't think this has anything to do with Progressives. It's more of a bone to the Establishment and Wall Street as it opens Iran for trade again. The same as taking the Houthies off the terrorist list. Maybe it's a mistake and maybe it's not. The ME is a damned if you do, damned if you don't can of worms I was posting warnings about during the Bush run up to "Shock and Awe".
Since there has only been a statement put out by the Chairman it doesn't look much of a purge. I'm sure all your utlra conservative sources will spin this to death, but will never amount to anything. Another Establishment move.
Again nothing to do for Progressives. That was just to stick a thumb in the eye of those that hated the Obama Admin. It made me chuckle. We'll see what she does and how the partisans spin it. It'll be popcorn theater for the moderates.
No?
Again part of his platform and thus expected. And he's said many, many times, "...they won't all get in."
That's not very reassuring for those who are concerned with security.
If you didn't see the lift on Iran you're blind.
Crawling back to Iran is a huge mistake. I was talking about the removal of the travel ban.
Since there has only been a statement put out by the Chairman it doesn't look much of a purge.
Certainly not to you
Again nothing to do for Progressives.
Rice, who has blatantly lied about the deaths of Americans and the attempt to undermine an incoming administration of a different party, will bring the third Obama term to the facade of a Biden administration. It will be a dangerous time for America.
No.
The process of allowing refugees asylum is to weed out those who may be a security risk. That process could be tightened up, but again it will take Congress to act to fix many of these issues.
The travel ban was ignorant and capricious in the first place. It creates more issues long term than it tried to solve.
Don't have a good argument here Vic, so just make it personal?
More Americans died just last month at the Capital Building. IOKIYAR?
A fever dream? Like "stop the steal" you have no evidence of anything Rice or the Obama Admin did anything to undermine an incoming Trump Admin. I mean I haven't actually seen anyone produce that bugged microwave Trump claimed Obama put in Trump Tower.
The question is - Why is Biden increasing the number?
The travel ban was ignorant and capricious in the first place.
Actually it came from a list created under the Obama administration.
It creates more issues long term than it tried to solve.
I think safety comes first. We've had enough acts of terrorism on American soil.
Don't have a good argument here Vic, so just make it personal?
Nothing personal. It's about objectivity. The defense secretary is having private statements & on-line comments of military personnel looked at.
More Americans died just last month at the Capital Building.
How is that related to Rice lying about the deaths of Americans?
I mean I haven't actually seen anyone produce that bugged microwave Trump claimed Obama put in Trump Tower.
Rice & others did quite a bit of unmasking. That Jan 5th 2017 meeting with Comey had to be smoothed over by Rice. Don't worry nobody is going to touch Obama. That doesn't change anything.
Oh Jobs?
Paul, what did TC Energy Group say?
Perry, word is it will cost at least 1,000 construction jobs.
"WINNIPEG, Manitoba/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - TC Energy Corp will eliminate more than 1,000 construction jobs in coming weeks and halt work on the Keystone XL oil pipeline after U.S. President Joe Biden revoked the project’s presidential permit, the company said in an email to employees."
Right. Because TC Energy has no vested interest in slinging half truths and outright bullshit. /s
OMG. Biden promised something...He is a liar! He is only out to destroy the American way of life! People didn't get a green job immediately!
So is this guy going to be like the CNN reporter the right complained about for years?
They are going to do the same and instead of calling it harassment they are calling it asking the right questions...
But they lost their energy job immediately!
So have thousands of other people.
But they didn't have too. The decision was Biden's.
You could actually go back further. The pipeline was shut down.
We knew Biden would reverse this. Not a surprise. You are just using the idea of pulling on heartstrings to say, the poor people out of work that would not have had the temporary jobs to begin with.
Also, not a peep from you all about the overreach of the previous administration.
Richard Trumpka might disagree.
You are just using the idea of pulling on heartstrings to say, the poor people out of work that would not have had the temporary jobs to begin with.
As George Orwell might have said Biden's employment program is unemployment and unity is division.
Actually, the majority of the XL pipeline jobs are seasonal part time, as in NOT during the winter months. Based on the foot of snow in my yard, it's still winter...
I really think this (canceling the pipeline) was done out of political spite. It was a political gesture done for show to excite the base, but with no thought for responsible governing or the people impacted by it. In a moment, thousands of people lost work. It was done with apparent glee, and celebrated by the political faithful.
It was already a cancelled project. donald decided to start it back up through EO.
You do not think that was political?
Plus isn't that the one where all the profits would have gone to Canada?
Then we would be stuck with the waste of refinement.
America first my ass.
No matter what, the world is going to change.
We have enough pipelines crisscrossing the nation.
Starting up a project doesn't take away anyone's job.
No one said anything about endless jobs to infinity. Just jobs. Maybe other people's jobs aren't important to you, but they matter to those people and their families.
Why the need to have to have one more?
It was a project plagued with problems from the start.
It never should have gotten as far as it did.
There is already an existing pipeline that delivers Keystone tar sand oil to Texas. No worries Tex.
Safe pipeline is an oxymoron.
Everyone who has ever owned a home or car knows everything man made will eventually leak.
Remember the Challenger disaster ? Leaking seal...
It's unnecessary and parallels the most recently completed Dakota pipeline.
Keystone Pipeline leaks 383,000 gallons of oil in second big spill in two years
The current capacity of existing pipelines has more than enough capacity to handle more than the XLP would add to the capacity.
I see. So the pipeline was just going to build and maintain itself. Is that it?
Even the TC Energy admit that it will only take less than 30 people to maintain the pipeline, half of them part time seasonal workers.
No, the company was going to have 53 Canadians permanently managing and inspecting the line
through four US states.
Guess we're just ignoring the construction part.
Guess we're just ignoring the construction part.
Are we obliged to build all proposed construction projects just because it would have resulted in 3900 seasonal jobs for 2 or 3 years?
Should the project not have merit?
Remember the Bridge to Nowhere that Sarah Palin was for, before she was against it?
By 2007 she cancelled it because Congress would not finance the remaining $400 million needed for the two bridges
that would only connect Ketchikan "international" airport to Ketchikan on the other island.
Quite a description for a 3.2 mile gravel road that goes nowhere, but cost $26 million simply to pay the construction company and workers for a season,
or god forbid, give the money back to US taxpayer.
In addition to "just ignoring the construction part", I can also just ignore the oil spills the non existent pipeline
won't cause...in it's state of not being there.
It's not the first cancelled pipeline, but one can hope it's the last.
I don't remember any gnashing of teeth when Sandpiper was killed in 2016.
There is an existing pipeline that brings that shit to my city. From there it will be loaded into train tankers and taken to Houston.
This is the world's most destructive oil operation—and it's growing
Can Canada develop its climate leadership and its lucrative oil sands too?
Just be honest and say "hopefully soon but that depends on GOP support in the Senate."
Keystone back in the news? Up here in the Great White only Wexiters give a damn about the World's dirtiest oil. Count yourselves lucky that you don't have to refine it. Anywho, y'all down south are supposed to be major exporters of far better quality oil than Alberta's tar-shit. Eastern Canada wants nothing to do with it; so keeping to tough questions, why do you?
It seems people can only cite temporary jobs as a reason.
Sounds to me like people just parroting corporate wants.
Some of the bright boyz 'n galz up here have figured out how to solidify it into hockey puck sized disks and eventually it will be shipped by rail.
If you’ve ever been on a refinery site, it’s really hard to imagine how anyone could be an ardent pusher of carbon based energy over green alternatives. I spent a few months between a refinery and a host of petroleum tank farms. It was the worst experience of my career. At one point I opened a storm drain manhole at a refinery to measure a pipe, and the steps inside had a coat of grease two inches thick on them. This manhole probably hadn’t been opened in decades and was sealed shut on top, so I can’t imagine how that much gunk got deposited so high inside it. That Chevron Super Bowl ad was such a farce. I’m sorry but there is nothing clean about that industry whatsoever.
Carbon energy was an important component of the Industrial Revolution, but it’s beyond time to move on to clean energy now that the foundation of industry is so substantially laid. These companies knew exactly what they were doing to the environment.
Grew up close to the mess in South Philly, what saved us from the odor of the refineries, was the Bond Bread bakeries a few blocks away, a much nicer odor.
"Fourteen state attorneys general have signed a letter to President Biden condemning him for revoking a permit for the Keystone XL pipeline and urging him to rethink the move, which they warn will have far-reaching negative repercussions.
The fourteen GOP attorneys general warned in the letter that among the consequences will be many lost jobs.
"Nationally, your decision will eliminate thousands of well-paying jobs, many of them union jobs," the letter says. "And it's cold comfort to suggest to now-jobless Americans that by turning the page on projects like Keystone XL, workers can look forward to high-paying green energy jobs that don't yet exist. It's bad enough for the government to pick winners and losers in the marketplace, but much worse when the winners are aspirational. Aspirations don't put food on the table, or pay the phone bill, or put kids through college. Jobs do, and you eliminated thousands of them with the stroke of a pen."
The letter notes that tax revenue will also take a hit due to the president's decision regarding the pipeline.
"The pipeline states and their local communities will also suffer dramatically. In Montana for instance, killing Keystone XL will likely cost the state approximately $58 million in annual tax revenue," the letter states. "Montana will lose the benefits of future easements and leases, and several local counties will lose their single-biggest property taxpayer. The loss of Keystone XL's economic activity and tax revenues are especially devastating as five of the six impacted counties are designated high-poverty areas. So your decision to shut down the project means less money for schools, less money for public services, and the elimination of business and job opportunities in those areas where they are most needed. Montana businesses, local governments, and utilities have also made substantial investments in preparation of servicing the pipeline. Those expenditures are now sunk with no hope of return, the prospects for increased economic activity have evaporated, and Montanans' energy bills are likely to increase."
The letter also warns that the move will make American allies more reliant on oil from Russia and the Middle East.
"Your decision will also disturb other industries Americans rely upon every day," the letter says. "Having cudgeled the energy sector, your decision will increase heating and fuel costs for families and businesses across the country and disrupt other industries including agriculture, transportation, manufacturing, and even the affordability of consumer goods. Americans you were elected to serve will ultimately foot the bill in higher prices, lost jobs, and less security."
I'm pretty confidant he didn't weigh any information like that before killing the project.
More likely following instructions.
Only 2 of those GOP AG's states will have ANY consequences. So why are the other 12 flapping their gums?
Oh and BTFW, I note that the Montana and South Dakota AGs seem desperate to pretend that they will be loosing property tax revenue. The owners of the land that is being taken by condemning the private land or through eminent domain by TC Energy paid property taxes prior to the pipeline. Nebraska is next on their list.
There are lots of consequences for this concession to the green machine. No gains for America.
Name them Vic. As I stated in one of your prior seeds, you and yours didn't make a peep about the 62,000 jobs or the $19 BILLION in lost investments when Trump put tariffs on solar panels. The whining about 3,500 mostly seasonal jobs is hypocritical.
See above Vic. Even YOU have to admit that 62,000 is WAY MORE than 3,500. Shifting subsidies from fossil fuels to renewables is a BIG gain for America. I saw wind turbines coming out of the Siemens, Fort Madison, Iowa plant in 2009. Now that we have a POTUS that doesn't make laughably ridiculous claims about wind turbines, I hope that they can gear up production there and in Michigan.
Oh and one more thing, jobs are not the ONLY gains for America caused by the expansion of renewable energy, but you know that...
I already have - Good Union jobs and energy dependency. What did you gain by cancelling that?
I already acknowledged those consequences in 2 states. How about the others?
Again Vic, TC Energies tar sands oil is being delivered via an existing pipeline as we speak.
The only thing being canceled is your fantasy.
Mine or yours?
Please let me know when we'll all be driving electric cars and have universal solar power. Until then you'll find me in the real world.
My comment clearly states yours Vic.
Please let me know when you intend on addressing question put to you. Until then, the total will just continue to click up...
Nope, not near you OR me Xx. We do however get trainloads through town of filthy coal.