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Proposals For Separation Within The US Pick Up Major Steam

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  5 years ago  •  62 comments

By:   Elizabeth Rogliani

Proposals For Separation Within The US Pick Up Major Steam
US is experiencing a bad case of “secession fever.” However, this seems to be primarily manifesting itself in rural areas of the nation. This is unsurprising due to the sharp contrast between “conservative USA” vs. “liberal USA” in rural areas vs. cities. Rural residents of many states in current day United States want to secede, and this is because they feel that the states they live in are dominated by the more liberal and more populated metropolitan areas.

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The divide is deepening.  The differences are becoming harder to reconcile.  Between the efforts with in states to make more smaller states and efforts of whole states or groups of them to create different countries, it’s time that people listen to each other and not trample upon the rights of smaller groups.  There are solutions short of a break up but it involves listening, sharing power and not concentrating too much raw political power in a federal or a state Capitol.  


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Proposals For Separation Within The US Pick Up Major Steam



by Elizabeth Rogliani a day agoupdated about 22 hours ago


Fairly recently, an opinion article by USA Today noted that the US is experiencing a bad case of “secession fever.” However, this seems to be primarily manifesting itself in rural areas of the nation. This is unsurprising due to the sharp contrast between “conservative USA” vs. “liberal USA” in rural areas vs. cities.

Rural residents of many states in current day United States want to secede, and this is because they feel that the states they live in are dominated by the more liberal and more populated metropolitan areas.

One example is Buckhead, one of Atlanta’s richest neighborhoods. The terrified residents of this wealthy Atlanta neighborhood are seriously considering breaking away from Atlanta and forming their own autonomous city. This sentiment has in part been caused by a crime wave with murders up to 80 percent so far this year. The neighborhood is upwards of 80 thousand people, and the crime wave is just another reason they are deliberating on breaking away given that they have been considering the separation for years.

The residents say they are “genuinely concerned for their safety,” and the crime wave has made them more determined to break away from the failing Atlanta area and form their own city with its own police force. The community of Buckhead even formed an Exploratory Committee to determine their options, and the Committee told The Wall Street Journal that they no longer feel their lives are protected.

Buckhead, of course, is not alone. In the state of Oregon, there are currently 5 counties who are voting on leaving the state and joining the neighboring red state of Idaho, thereby forming the state of Greater Idaho. In 2020, Oregon has been plagued with Antifa violence and overall degeneracy mostly coming from Portland. An organization called “ Move Oregon’s Borders ” has confirmed that the initiative to move rural eastern and southern parts of Oregon into Idaho qualifies for a May 18th special election ballot.

Mike McCarter, the President of Move Oregon’s Borders, said in a statement that “Oregon is a powder keg, because counties that belong in a red-state like Idaho are ruled by Portlanders,” he went on to say that Oregon protects “Antifa arsonists, not normal Oregonians, it prioritizes one race above another for vaccines and program money and the school curriculum, and it prioritizes Willamette Valley above rural Oregon.”

Alongside these proposals is another out of the state of Washington. Two Republican Lawmakers in Olympia have introduced a new bill that would split Washington into two states, effectively creating the 51 st state which would be called “Liberty.” The reason being is that the state of Washington is very conservative, with the exception of Seattle which is dominating rural Washingtonians political say.

These movements, however, are mild compared to what some Texans are calling “Texit.” Texas Republicans have endorsed legislation that would allow a vote on secession from the United States, essentially changing the face of the country and even the course of the world as we know it. The Chairman of the Texas GOP, Allen West, suggested secession after the Supreme Court ruling not to hear their election lawsuit. Several weeks ago, Texas Republican Kyle Biedermann introduced a bill which allowed Texans to vote on whether to secede from the United States. The bill is called “The Texas Referendum Act,” which simply allows Texans to hold a vote on Texas Independence.

Similarly, a GOP chairman in Wyoming has talked openly of secession after Democrats attempted to impeach Trump for the second time. The Chairman said that he and a number of other Western States are keeping their eye on Texas to see what happens with the referendum. If it succeeds, they may join Texas in secession efforts. There are similar movements in Mississippi, where a Republican called for his state to secede from the Union after Biden alleged victory.

A study in published in February found that one-third of Republicans support secession and that half of Republicans across the former Confederacy (plus Kentucky and Oklahoma) are willing to break off to a newly formed country.

No one should be surprised by this newly renewed enthusiasm for secession among Republicans. The woke culture is simply bringing to the forefront was has been building up in American culture for years. There is an increased sense by many in the population that the nation to which they belong is no longer their home, as it openly rejects them, their ideals, and their culture. Republicans and conservatives are feeling unwelcomed in the national conversation, a conversation largely fueled by mainstream media and all Hollywood TV and film. People want a fresh start, and freedom to have their voices heard. If the trend continues, this separation movement is simply going to grow, and might succeed in the near future.


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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     5 years ago

Divided we fall.

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    5 years ago

What? This shit again? Go on! Get outta here. Go on...

 
 
 
lady in black
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4  lady in black    5 years ago

Will never happen.  True American Patriots do not support this baloney

 
 
 
pat wilson
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5  pat wilson    5 years ago

So what would happen if the US split in two ? Two separate militaries ? Would they come together to fight a foreign enemy ? What about roads and transportation ? Will there be toll booths everywhere ? What about resources, water, infrastructure ?

Before you cheerlead the concept of two USA's try extrapolating the consequences of this happening. Rein in your unicorn.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.2  Gordy327  replied to  pat wilson @5    5 years ago

It's already happened once in our history. How did that work out for those who wanted to split? It seems those who support secession haven't really thought this through. Or simply do not think at all.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.2.2  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.1    5 years ago

How utterly delusional. 

 
 
 
Phaedrus
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5.2.3  Phaedrus  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.1    5 years ago
We can do the scorched earth resistance from within as McConnell referenced.

Seems like you want the country to fail. And you call yourself a patriot. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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5.2.5  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.4    5 years ago
I want the country to succeed.  The only way it can is if the Biden regime is a total abject, and complete failure.  Biden must fail for America to succeed

MAGA you do realize that half of the country was saying the same thing 4 months ago about your guy. right ? 

back and forth back and forth 

What the Hell happened to the constitution ?  The government and our country ? 

sad

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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5.2.6  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.1    5 years ago
We can use passive resistance and non violent civil disobedience to the point that the regime will beg us to leave...with no consequences 

There are always consequences for forcing people. It just seems us humans have one hell of a hard time understanding that. 

And again from both sides. and it sucks I even have to say that. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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6  Gsquared    5 years ago

No one believes this totally delusional B.S., and no one is in the least bit scared or intimidated by these hollow threats.  It's nothing but trash talk by weak-minded individuals.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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6.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Gsquared @6    5 years ago

True story.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

The attempt to separate was made by the Quebec FLQ Separatistes in Canada, where violence in support of it happened.  The then Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Justin's father) declared Martial Law and brought it under control.  I'll never forget the scene when Trudeau was stopped while entering Parliament by a reporter on video who asked him if he was going to impose Martial Law, and Trudeau replied "Just watch me."

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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7.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    5 years ago
I'll never forget the scene when Trudeau was stopped while entering Parliament by a reporter on video who asked him if he was going to impose Martial Law, and Trudeau replied "Just watch me."

Buzz.  That had to suck. To have one's own federal government lose control of its established power carries a lot of unknown. Both instantly and long term. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @7.1    5 years ago

The October Crisis - Canada 1970

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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7.1.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1.1    5 years ago
The October Crisis - Canada 1970

OMG, Buzz

I just looked pretty quickly. 

How in the hell are you people known as our friendly neighbors to the north?   ... LOL 

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Thanks, I'm going to read thru this more. Thanks for the link, I didn't really know what to look for. 

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I got a chance to read thru the story. OMG times 2

My first though, selfishly, "I'm glad I'm on the side of the established government." lol

WOW Buzz, I'm not much of one for a lot of history I've always been in the moment and plan for the future type person. I am pretty good though at seeing where something or issue has been , is now and its projected path. Kinda like following the trajectory of a bullet, But taking as many variables into account as logical. 

Reading this about Canada IMO: Should give every American citizen pause for thought. But I think we both know that is a pipedream.. 

It seems Americans want to learn this division lesson first hand.

Sad

Thank you for the link. It does sound like Canada's situation is in some ways different but close enough for sure for there to be some really important lessons to learn from. 

Thanks again, Buzz 

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1.1    5 years ago

Don't forget the Wexit crowd Buzz.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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7.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @7.1.2    5 years ago

Most Americans have no idea why any sort of civil conflict would look like because they have never seen it. Movies and TV images aren’t the real thing. They will quickly lose their taste for it if it ever comes home.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hallux @7.1.3    5 years ago

For quite a long time I was aware that Westerners were not happy with those of us in the East, but before I left Canada more than 14 years ago I wasn't aware of a "Wexit" movement - so if one has become more formalized, I didn't know - and have not seen such a thing reported, although I read the CTV web news every day.

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.1.6  Hallux  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1.5    5 years ago

Try the comment sections on National Post.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.1.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hallux @7.1.6    5 years ago

Surely Wexit can be nowhere near the seriousness of the development of Brexit. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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8  Thrawn 31    5 years ago
and this is because they feel that the states they live in are dominated by the more liberal and more populated metropolitan areas.

Uh yeah, that is how democracies, even democratic republics, work. Majority rules. And give me a fuckin break, the US government is heavily slanted towards empowering the minority, just look at the Senate. 

There is the filibuster (may it rot in hell), and of course the fact that every state gets 2 senators regardless of population. That means that states like Wyoming and the Dakotas have as much (or depending on how you want to look at it more) representation than California with 40 times their combined population.

In a democracy if your positions are in the minority you either a) try to make them more appealing to the rest of society, b) accept that fact and just be a whiny bitch, or c) adopt different positions. You do t take your ball and go home like an entitled little shit.

 
 

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