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Eagle Scout’s Memorial Called a ‘Wretched, Unconstitutional Dumpster Fire’ Because it Includes Name of Christ

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  5 years ago  •  42 comments

By:   Todd Starnes

Eagle Scout’s Memorial Called a ‘Wretched, Unconstitutional Dumpster Fire’ Because it Includes Name of Christ
“Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American soldier. One died for your soul, the other died for your freedom. We honor those who made freedom a reality.”

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The intolerance of the secular progressive left groups in question here is duly noted.  The hate and bigotry displayed by FFRF type groups toward believers is well exposed here, even when the believers are children or members of our military.  The man mentioned in the story and his group need to apologize to the young Eagle Scout and to his community.  


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A Colorado Eagle Scout who wanted to honor military veterans has been nationally shamed by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation because his capstone project included a reference to Jesus Christ.

Michael Carlson, a 16-year-old from the town of Monument, spent two years raising private donations for a memorial to honor military veterans. Michael is the son of a Vietnam War veteran and the grandson of a World War II veteran. 

The memorial was erected on private property using private funds in the Monument cemetery.

At one end of the wall is a headstone engraved with the sentences, “Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American soldier. One died for your soul, the other died for your freedom. We honor those who made freedom a reality.”

On the opposite end of the wall is another marker with a plaque thanking all the donors to the project, topped with a sculpture of a pair of combat boots, a rifle standing upright on its stock and a combat helmet hanging on the end of its barrel, known as a battlefield cross, the Tribune newspaper reported.

Those sentences triggered the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, a notorious organization that has a history of targeting any manifestations of Christianity in the military.

Mikey Weinstein, founder of the MRFF, called the memorial a "blatant" violation of the U.S. Constitution and demanded that it be removed.

"It is simply unconstitutional for your Town to be using taxpayer funds to promote any religious faith, as herein, Christianity,” Weinstein wrote in a letter to the town’s mayor. "The obviously and incontrovertibly sectarian, Christian proselytizing message of that Veterans Memorial would be absolutely fine in a private cemetery, but in a publicly maintained and controlled cemetery, as in this instant matter, it is quite unconstitutional and illegal."

In an interview with “The Friendly Atheist,” he called the teenage boy’s memorial a “wretched, unconstitutional dumpster fire.”

First Liberty Institute, one of the nation’s most prominent religious liberty law firms, is representing the city and they are demanding an apology from Weinstein.

“You're going after a 16-year-old kid and calling his capstone Eagle Scout project a wretched dumpster fire,” First Liberty Institute’s Jeremy Dys said during an interview on The Todd Starnes Radio Show.

“How many other 16-year-old kids does this guy abuse across the country like this,” Dys asked. “Whenever I see anybody abusing a kid, whether he's 16 or 15 or less, I think the minimum thing we should expect from people like that is an apology. But when they go after a 16-year-old kid for simply doing a patriotic project as a part of his Eagle Scout project.”

Even the so-called “Friendly Atheist” attacked the Eagle Scout’s memorial calling it “an obvious promotion of religion. The city might as well put up another monument giving a big middle finger to Jews, Muslims, and atheists.”

Dys said the Military Religious Freedom Foundation should muster the courage to do the right thing and apologize to the teenager.

“You have slandered and just absolutely been insulting towards this young kid who was just simply trying to do a peaceful thing, a patriotic thing in respect of those men and women who died serving our country,” Dys said, speaking directly to Weinstein.

I think it's all the more requiring that they offer an apology here, the attorney said.

“I think it's perfectly right for the town of Monument, Colorado, to insist that Mr. Weinstein apologize for the massive insults he's made towards the 16-year-old boy who is just trying to do something to honor the men and women who have served in our armed forces.”

Whatever the reason Mr. Weinstein lashed out at an innocent child, he needs to apologize.


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Split Personality
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2  Split Personality    5 years ago
The other issue is the six military branch insignias placed on the memorial. Weinstein says it goes against the Department of Defenses regulations. “One of the things in the defining regulation makes it clear that those logos can never be used to promote a partisan or sectarian political or religious agenda so here they are clearly wrong,” Weinstein says.

Weinstein says his foundation isn't trying to bully the teenager who created the memorial, "I think that the young man had a very, very worthwhile and admirable goal to honor all veterans and his dad and his grandfather but you can’t do that by mixing in the government and making it clear that the government is saying that Jesus Christ is the only God out there.” Rather, Weinstein blames the city for letting it happen.

As for Weinstein's solution to the memorial, “There is an easy way to fix it, pull out that stone, change the wording and take off the DOD logos that absolutely violate the trademark licensing rights.”

The other option is potentially being served with a lawsuit.

However, Mike Berry with First Liberty Institute, which offered to represent Monument during this controversy, says the city won't take it down. “The town of Monument has no intention of removing this memorial," Berry says.

Berry's argument is, that the memorial isn't on public property, but private property owned by the family who created it. Berry says, “It’s a private memorial on private property and therefore its private speech and it’s protected under the first amendment.”

As for the insignias, he says there is nothing illegal about using them, “The logos that are depicted on the memorial itself are permissible logos to be used.”

When asked about the memorial being on private property, Weinstein says it wasn't always that way. “It was the threat of going into federal court that forced the town of Monument to very dishonestly and disingenuously to sell the land the family about 288 hours ago,” Weinstein says .

Weinstein says his team is now looking into the sale of the private land at the cemetery, which the memorial sits on, as both sides prepare for a legal battle.

 
 
 
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“STAY OUT OF MONUMENT COLORADO!” Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Martin France

Mr. Wienstein and Military Religious “Freedom” Foundation,

My husband and I live in Monument Colorado and he is a proud veteran.

We and our kids and our friends and neighbors fully support the Veterans Memorial as it is.

The moment we heard that you had come to our peaceful Town with your MRFF hatred we knew what that meant.

You and your MRFF group are very well known as evil troublemakers who only target believers in Jesus Christ.

Interesting that you’re a jew since your tribe has historically invested much effort through the ages to harass and attack innocent Christians.

And now you have the unmitgate gall to go after a innocent Boy Scout and our little Town for our love of Christ and American soldiers?

No wonder you jews have been booted out of every country you’ve ever tried to seize control in and ruin.

Over 130 is the count now I believe. Great track record there Wienstein.

Why do you think that is?

You know the answer and so do we all.

Your a disgrace to the Air Force Academy that somehow dropped the ball and let you graduate.

Keep your long jewish noses out of our Town’s business Mr. Weinstein.

You and your fellow MRFF haters are not welcome here. Find other evils to do.

I’m sure there is banking system somewhere you can go co opt. Or go finance a Hollywood movie with jew actors to disparage Monument Colorado.

Or maybe even a Savior you can conspire and assassinate.

Because that’s what you jews and your MRFF do.

Don’t try to reply to us as this email address will reject your wickedness to throw more anti Christian hatred.

And remember that Christ is the Only Way Truth and Life. John 14:6

 

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3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @3    5 years ago
Dear (name withheld),
 
I can tell from your cowardly email address that you won’t receive my response directly–you’ve anonymized your identity because you don’t want to publicly acknowledge your Constitutionally untenable position.  So, let me answer it anyway in order that others can see it on the MRFF site.
First, try using spell/grammar check when you send a note.  It would help with your credibility.
Secondly, you provide no Constitutional argument against the MRFF’s and, most importantly, its client’s complaints.  Instead, you fall back upon the most vile racist, anti-Semitic, ad hominem attacks, simply demonstrating your hatred and irrationality.  
If you do read this on the MRFF site and would like to present a legal or Constitutional argument, please let me know.
I will state a couple of simple facts:
1.  The MRFF is not attacking the Eagle Scout.  We are representing clients who know that government financial support for an exclusive, single religious perspective is absolutely verboten per the Establishment Clause.
2.  Our position is not anti-Christian, but pro-inclusion.  Not all veterans or citizens of Monument are Christian or even religious.  The Scout’s monument addresses ONLY Christians who believe that Jesus sacrificed his life for their sins.  It implies that ALL those in Monument or those buried in the cemetery and their families believe the same.  The clear fact is that they don’t.
3.  Assigning and using legally trademarked emblems of the military services with a purely sectarian, publicly-financed monument is clearly contrary to the Constitution and established law.
4.  The monument should be either removed or altered to not include a sectarian, single-perspective religious message with the service seals.
 
In conclusion, your message of hatred and fear has been received.  We know that your views are not shared by the overwhelming number of Monument’s citizens or Christians.  You (and they) have our sympathy.  Please seek help.
 
Sincerely,
M France
Brig Gen, USAF (Retired)
MRFF Advisory Board Member
 
 
 
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3.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    5 years ago

My guess is that general was a paper pushing ground pounder REMF who most likely managed to avoid a single day of combat near the front lines. Wonder how many of his subordinates hated his behind? Zero respect for the hypocrite general!

In addition, said memorial was erected on private property therefore it seems MRFF does not have a legal leg to stand. All they can do is spread their hatefull rhetoric from a distance. Kudos and God bless to that young Eagle Scout for a job well done!

 
 
 
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3.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.1    5 years ago

I looked up the general's bio and I was right. The guy spent his entire career in scientific and stateside R&D assignments. Not one day ever in a front line or combat zone! I would not follow that guy to the latrine let alone into combat.

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.5  Kavika   replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.3    5 years ago

How the hell do you reach a general rank and never served in combat?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.6  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Kavika @3.1.5    5 years ago

Kav , i looked Marty up,seems he is a scientist and a career scholar , and was in charge of the USAFA curriculum......spent entire career kissing ass in a classroom. and being its AF its entirely possable the only bad bush he had ever been in was in the red light district.

 
 
 
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3.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.1    5 years ago
In addition, said memorial was erected on private property therefore it seems MRFF does not have a legal leg to stand.

Not quite.

The monuments were erected on public property.

The city has since sold the plot to the kid's family 03/21/21 ( about ten days prior to the first KRDO link ).

This flap had been going on for months, hence the comment in bold in comment 2.

France and others believe that was not the correct legal recourse.

France is also right about mixing DOD symbols on a monument that is religious and not a persons headstone.

 
 
 
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3.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kavika @3.1.5    5 years ago

Two  big reasons come to mind.

#1 is he was a USAF acadamy grad with heavyweight scientific and academics.

#2 would  be family connections with powerful patrons.

I saw it happen quite frequently in my 20 years of Naval service.

 
 
 
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3.1.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.7    5 years ago

Understood. My thanks for the corrections.

 
 
 
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3.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.10    5 years ago
They also allowed the WWI cross memorial that was built on private land that a government later took over in Maryland to remain standing as well.  

true but the opposite situation done for altruistic reasons & the Court grandfathered it.  This is the opposite case where

the transfer in property is deliberately to avoid legal compliance.

 
 
 
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3.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.12    5 years ago

It is a work around to evade an acknowledged problem, otherwise they would have continued to fight mrff 

They also did it secretly.

The cemetery in question does not appear to be run by the VA or the State of CO, so they might just get away with that.

The one monument still seems to run afoul of mixing official DOD symbols with a religious message.

Monument will win the local battles.  The CO Supreme Court may disagree.

 
 
 
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3.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.14    5 years ago

It is still a valid court case, all the hand wringing by both sides, put aside the name calling.

Doesn't matter if it was Scouts or Little Sisters of the Poor.

 
 
 
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3.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Split Personality @3    5 years ago
Interesting that you’re a jew since your tribe has historically invested much effort through the ages to harass and attack innocent Christians.

Interesting that this individual seems to have their history a bit wrong. Millions of Jews have died at the hands of Christians for about hundreds of years. Maybe that is why they are so touchy about religion being introduced into our country that is unique in the fact that we don't have a national religion.

So if there was a point being made, it got lost with that disgusting bigoted remark. 

And for clarity, that was not directed to SP but to the comment he posted.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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6  Mark in Wyoming     5 years ago

watch out tex , they got a one star on their side , with them they have to get out after 5 years in grade or 30 years overall service, which ever comes second , this one was commissioned in 81 so some can figure that out.

 This one i would gladly give a crisp , left handed one finger salute and tell them to suck a rooster turd out of their dick since the shit they have for brains has gone bad .....

 
 
 
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6.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @6    5 years ago

Agreed. See post #'s 3.1.1 and 3.1.3 above.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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7  Gazoo    5 years ago

“The memorial was erected on private property using private funds in the Monument cemetery.”

private property, private funds. Lil mikey can shove it up his ass.

 
 
 
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7.3  Split Personality  replied to  Gazoo @7    5 years ago

Technically incorrect which is one reason Lil mikey is upset.

The two memorial's were originally within the Veteran's cemetery which to my knowledge are never private property and cost nothing for the veteran.

In NC they are maintained by the state or Federal government.  I presume that is the same in every state.

Because of month's of public heat by MFFF, the city decided to sell the plot privately to the kids family about three weeks ago.

So now, temporarily, at least, it is deemed private property.

 
 
 
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8  Ed-NavDoc    5 years ago

I bet MRFF and Westborough Baptist Church would get along famously at a barbeque!

 
 

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