Another day and another lie and the beat goes on.

The anti-Asian hate-crime spree 

The lie was seeded by the "Center for the study of hate and extremism!" Lol. The lie went out, through the media and eventually out of the mouth of the left's puppet. Asian's were being attacked, don't ya know. We never got to hear about specific cases. The data is in and the lie has disappeared. The data showed that whites were under-represented as generic hate-crime perpetrators and in particular were not responsible for the uptick of anti-Asian violence, either proportionally or in absolute numbers. African-Americans, however, were overrepresented, both generically and especially in the case of Anti-Asian crimes. 

How is it a lie. You state that there has been an 'uptick of anti-Asian violence'. So where's the lie Vic? 

How is it a lie.

It implied that Trump caused it and whites were perpetrating it. That was a big part of the fucking lie and why we aren't hearing much on it anymore.

The good news is that Asian Americans are finding some security:

"The right-wing Proud Boys are getting a huge wave of support from Asian Americans who fear Antifa and Black Lives Matter want to bring Communist rule to the US, according to a new investigation.

Recent fundraising efforts for the Proud Boys saw as many as 80 percent of the donations coming from people with Chinese surnames, according to a review of leaked information   obtained by USA Today .

The data — as well as a series of experts and supporters — show “significant support” specifically from the Chinese American community as well as expats in China, Hong Kong and Taiwan, the paper said.

“You have to understand how we feel – we came from Communist China and we managed to come here and we appreciate it here so much,” Rebecca Kwan, who recently donated $500 to the group, told the paper.

Her support came specifically because the Proud Boys “are fighting Antifa,” she said. “And can you see anything good that Antifa did except destroy department stores and small businesses?”

Others expressed alarm at the extreme left-wing ideology of BLM, which co-founder Patrisse Cullors has said formed the “ideological frame” behind the “black liberation movement.”

https://nypost.com/2021/05/05/proud-boys-receiving-huge-asian-american-support-report-says/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter

It implied that Trump caused it and whites were perpetrating it.

Utter bullshit Vic. Do you EVER actually read the shit you post and link? 

The study does NOT document data on the race of perpetrators Vic. 

The ONLY place is cites Trump is on a dateline documenting his comments and subsequent anti Asian hate crimes in major cities.  

That was a big part of the fucking lie and why we aren't hearing much on it anymore.

Your 'we' ;may not be hearing about anti-Asian hate crimes anymore but the rest of us hear about them all to often recently. 

BTFW, all your 'Chinese donating to Proud Boys' link proves is that some Chinese are just as easily taken in as others. I'd like to know HOW the Proud Boys will provide security for Chinese, or anyone else for that matter, from their jail cells. 

No one was arrested with a firearm.

Almost no one was arrested that day period Vic. 

Almost no one was arrested that day period Vic. 

No one was ever arrested with a firearm - PERIOD.

No one was ever arrested with a firearm - PERIOD.

Do you never tire of spewing uninformed assumptions Vic? 

Here is just one example:

ALBERTS, Christopher Michael

justice

At least 4 others were charged with gun possession. 

The far right wing are the only folk guilty of chronic lying.

FBI — Victims

Among single-bias hate crime incidents in 2019, there were 4,930 victims of race/ethnicity/ancestry motivated hate crime.

• 48.5 percent were victims of crimes motivated by offenders’ anti-Black or African American bias.
• 15.7 percent were victims of anti-White bias.
• 14.1 percent were victims of anti-Hispanic or Latino bias.
• 4.4 percent were victims of anti-Asian bias.
• 3.5 percent were victims of bias against a group of individuals in which more than one race was represented (anti-multiple races, group).
• 2.7 percent were victims of anti-American Indian or Alaska Native bias.
• 2.6 percent were victims of anti-Arab bias.

What does any of that have to do with who is actually committing anti-Asian hate crime?

It makes all the difference to the people who told us that anti-Asian hates crimes were on the rise.

Most of knew exactly who was doing it.

Those incidents have increased 250% since he said that.  

Where is the FBI statistic?

What does any of that have to do with who is actually committing anti-Asian hate crime?

What does comparing a study from 2020 and citing 2019 FBI stats prove Vic? 

Here comes the usual calculated confusion of the facts. Are you telling us that after 2019, white people suddenly began attacking Asians?

PROVE IT!

Here comes the usual calculated confusion of the facts. Are you telling us that after 2019, white people suddenly began attacking Asians?

PROVE IT!

Another non-responsive reply.

Comparing 2019 to 2020 is where the attempt to confuse enters the equation. 

You've failed on all counts to support your posit. 

Well done Vic. 

Pretty sure it is far right wing fascists who do those things. 

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Comparing 2019 to 2020 is where the attempt to confuse enters the equation. 

There is no comparing. The hate crime vs Asians comes primarily from inner city Blacks and you can't dispute that.

You and John keep referring to 2020 stats - Let's see them!

There is no comparing.

Both YOU and the author you linked tried to do just that Vic. 

The hate crime vs Asians comes primarily from inner city Blacks and you can't dispute that.

Per your OUTDATED data. 

You and John keep referring to 2020 stats - Let's see them!

The 2020 stats I refer to are in YOUR seed Vic and they do NOT support the agenda you are pushing. 

84% of the victims of hate crimes in 2019 were non white. 

And in the case of Asian Americans - who were the perpetrators?

Deflection didn't work, did it?

Like Tess said, who the perps are is not the issue,  -  by the way, why are you using 2019 statistics when the bulk of anti-Asian sentiment did not surface until Trump started blaming China for the pandemic in 2020?

What difference does it make who were the perpetrators?

Here is what difference it makes:

According to the  Justice Department , 27.5% of all violent crimes against Asian Americans in 2018 were committed by black people. That’s over 50,000 incidents in a single year. White criminals and Asian criminals each accounted for 24.1% of all attacks on Asians. Asian people, similar to their white counterparts, are underrepresented in violent crimes committed to the proportion of the population they make up.  In 2019 , Asians made up 6.2% of the population but just 1% of the perpetrators of violent crime. White people are 62% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes.

This bears note in light of the Left’s narrative that white Trump supporters are propelled toward violence against Asian Americans because of xenophobia, racism, and Trump’s usage of " China  virus" when speaking about the coronavirus. The narrative falls apart very quickly when observing the data.

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China was the cause of the pandemic. Are you now telling us that inner city blacks are acting on what Trump said?

Is that his base?

This is what happens with hate driven lies.

The violence against Asian Americans increased by 250% once the former occupant of the White House uttered the words Kung Flu and China Virus

Where is the FBI stat on that?

Vic?

It's right there - post 2.2.5

Why don't you show us? 

I did. Don't worry, it's the same inner city culture war scenario - the violent attacking the gentle.

So you're saying all African Americans are violent?

I would never do that.

According to the    Justice Department   , 27.5% of all violent crimes against Asian Americans in 2018 were committed by black people. ...White criminals and Asian criminals each accounted for 24.1% of all attacks on Asians.

So what? What about the other 48.4%? They don't count? 

White people are 62% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes.

What exactly are you trying to prove? 

This is not a left-right issue, it is a human issue. All of the protestations to view it otherwise are filthy with the stench of naked fear mongering and partisanship. Just because you say that the left is trying to paint the issue as purely white based, means that you don't understand at all what is going on, but turn to clothe it in your deepest, darkest fears and present it as exhibit #56 in your trial of Black Americans. 

This is not a left-right issue, it is a human issue.

It is a political issue. The narrative was that Trump supporters were attacking Asian Americans specifically because Trump called the virus "the China Virus."

That was a lie. It was a glaring lie backed up with nothing. The narrative was abandoned as the unpleasant facts about Black on Asian hate crime became known.

It is a political issue. The narrative was that Trump supporters were attacking Asian Americans specifically because Trump called the virus "the China Virus."

That was a lie. It was a glaring lie backed up with nothing. The narrative was abandoned as the unpleasant facts about Black on Asian hate crime became known.

YOU stated:

The lie was seeded by the "Center for the study of hate and extremism!" Lol..

THAT is the lie in HERE Vic. YOU have failed to provide one iota of evidence that 'the narrative' you are incessantly whining about even exists.  

The Capitol January 6 “armed insurrection” lie. 

Joe Biden told us that it was more of a threat than Pearl Harbor or 9/11 to democracy (5,000 were killed on those two days). With time we have learned that there were no armed insurrectionary leaders, furthermore no protestor, however frenzied, killed anyone. They even lied about a Capitol police officer who died of natural causes. Cause of death withheld for months. Indeed, the only violent death was an unarmed veteran shot and killed by a (mysteriously unnamed)Capitol police officer. No one was arrested with a firearm. Yet, the narrative served the ruling left well. Individuals are still sitting in jail - for trespassing, while others face federal riot charges that antifa and BLM never seem to face. A stern warning to middle America.

These are fringe beliefs. Essentially making excuses for people who violently broke into the nation's capital and violently tried to enter the inner chambers of Congress where they hoped to find the senators and congresspeople. 

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lol.  I'll debate Trump's worthlessness with you all night long Vic.  Thats an easy one. 

Not for you. You can't seem to discuss policies.

Incredibly, you think someone who tried to overthrow an election and his own government , not to mention tried to bribe the leader of a foreign country to damage his election opponent,  is fit for office based on "policies".  It is insanity. 

Not interested in any of those talking points.

Didn't he build a great economy?

The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.

Didn't he give some relief to middle class taxpayers?
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.

Didn't he resolve the trade issue?

Immediately withdrew from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

Ended the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and replaced it with the brand new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).

The USMCA contains powerful new protections for American manufacturers, auto-makers, farmers, dairy producers, and workers.

The USMCA is expected to generate over $68 billion in economic activity and potentially create over 550,000 new jobs over ten years.

Signed an executive order making it government policy to Buy American and Hire American, and took action to stop the outsourcing of jobs overseas.

Negotiated with Japan to slash tariffs and open its market to $7 billion in American agricultural products and ended its ban on potatoes and lamb.

Over 90 percent of American agricultural exports to Japan now receive preferential treatment, and most are duty-free.

Negotiated another deal with Japan to boost $40 billion worth of digital trade.

Renegotiated the United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement, doubling the cap on imports of American vehicles and extending the American light truck tariff.

Reached a written, fully-enforceable Phase One trade agreement with China on confronting pirated and counterfeit goods, and the protection of American ideas, trade secrets, patents, and trademarks.

China agreed to purchase an additional $200 billion worth of United States exports and opened market access for over 4,000 American facilities to exports while all tariffs remained in effect.

Didn't he unleash America's oil & natural gas potential?

Didn't he put responsible Jurists on the nation's courts?

Didn't he rebuild the military?

Didn't he secure the southern border?

Last but not least:
Didn't he cut the red tape to get us a vaccine in ten months time?

In case Perrie is reading this - please note that I as the author get to allow the latitude for topic. I believe I am correct?

The author determines topic, not a moderator?

Didn't he unleash America's oil & natural gas potential?                    no npr

Didn't he put responsible Jurists on the nation's courts?                   no  that's only your opinion

Didn't he rebuild the military?                                                                 no factcheck

Didn't he secure the southern border?                                                  no usatoday

Last but not least:
Didn't he cut the red tape to get us a vaccine in ten months time?    no  apnews

The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.

The decrease in the unemployment rate is a line starting down in 2010. There is no blip for Trump’s election or Trump’s tax cut. These are simply the groups that recover last from recessions. When COVID hit, they were the first groups affected, and were more severely affected. E.g. white unemployment went from 3.8% to 7.3%, but black unemployment went from 7.5% to 13%.

A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.

First of all, what makes this possible is temporary, it expires in two years. Secondly, and more importantly, it’s a credit, so the people who need it most, the working poor, get little to nothing.

Immediately withdrew from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

Ended the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and replaced it with the brand new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).

The USMCA contains powerful new protections for American manufacturers, auto-makers, farmers, dairy producers, and workers.

The USMCA is expected to generate over $68 billion in economic activity and potentially create over 550,000 new jobs over ten years.

Signed an executive order making it government policy to Buy American and Hire American, and took action to stop the outsourcing of jobs overseas.

Actually, USMCA is really just NAFTA with the parts of TPP to update it to the digital age. It must be considered against the Trump Tax Cut, which cut the tax on international revenue from 28% to 10.5% — a massive incentive for companies to move jobs out of the US. Finally, TPP would have partnered the US with the countries around China. TPP required that those countries obey our patents and raise their workers pay. This would prevent China from selling stolen American ideas to our partners and made our workers more competitive. But most importantly, it would have allied the countries surrounding China with the US, reining in China. These countries wanted to be allied with the US, but ended up partnered with China. Trump was the greatest gift we could have given China. Trump has pretty much guaranteed China’s economic supremacy.

Negotiated with Japan to slash tariffs and open its market to $7 billion in American agricultural products and ended its ban on potatoes and lamb.

Something that had to be done to negate the last two years of effects caused by backing out of TPP.

…and I’m tired of looking up stuff.

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Time to take my own advice.

Have a good one.

"The lie went out, through the media and eventually out of the mouth of the left's puppet."

The fact of an increase in anti-Asian hate crimes is well documented. The "lie" is trying to claim they haven't increased after dumb shit Donald started using terms like the "China virus" and "Kung Flu". 

"The data showed that whites were under-represented as generic hate-crime perpetrators and in particular were not responsible for the uptick of anti-Asian violence"

So where in any of the articles showing the rise in anti-Asian hate crimes does it say that "white" people are specifically responsible for the increase?

"Using 2019  FBI statistics"

What does the 2019 FBI data on black and white crime have to do with the rise in anti-Asian hate crimes after the 2020 pandemic and Trumps continued use of anti-Asian rhetoric?

The facts show that even in the linked article above there was an increase:

"In fact, of the 122 total anti-Asian hate crime cases in 2020, 28 came from New York City, 15 from Los Angeles, and 14 from Boston."

The author just claims that we should "consider this more of a problem specific to those large urban centers than a nationwide problem".

The Capitol January 6 “armed insurrection” lie. 

I've never used the term "armed insurrection" and few here did that i can recall. Whether "armed" or not, it was an insurrection with Trump supporters breaking down doors and windows and raiding elected officials offices and chanting things like "Hang Mike Pence" and searching the capital building looking for elected officials with zip ties in hand obviously with the purpose of detaining or harming those officials who were at the time attempting to carry out their constitutional duty of peacefully transferring power by certifying the election. We also watched Trump supporters beat capital officers with flag poles and use bear pepper spray on the capital police. What we all witnessed was an attempted insurrection whether or not anyone in the crowd had a gun. Trying to claim it didn't happen by focusing on the word "armed" is extremely dishonest and is an attempt to defend the insurrectionists and shows utter contempt for our constitution and the rule of law.

The Great vaccination myth "told us that systemic racism prevents minorities from becoming vaccinated"

I must have missed that myth, though I was aware that there was a growing movement of anti-vaccers regardless of race which has been shown to be true and largely the reason for the drop off in vaccinations.

Many Americans have now got a taste of what many in Russia and China accept as a way of life.

WTF are you talking about? How is anyone being lied to about the vaccine? It's safe, it's effective, everyone eligible should go get it, no propaganda needed.

The fact of an increase in anti-Asian hate crimes is well documented.

The only place I see it is via special interest groups. Could you provide some government LE statistics?

What do you mean 'via special interest groups'?  

Specifically: "The Center for the study of hate and extremism."

The only place I see it is via special interest groups.

" California State University, San Bernardino, this month examined hate crimes in 16 of America’s largest cities. It revealed that while such crimes in 2020 decreased overall by 7 percent, those targeting Asian people rose by nearly 150 percent."

nbcnews

"The FBI warned at the start of the Covid outbreak in the US that it expected a surge in hate crimes against those of Asian descent. Federal hate crime data for 2020 has not yet been released, though hate crimes in 2019 were at their highest level in over a decade."

bbc

So government data hasn't been released yet, but calling CSU San Bernardino a "special interest group" is just ignorant.

Specifically: "The Center for the study of hate and extremism."

Yet the author you linked cites their data and compares and contrasts them to try to prove a point. If the data is bias, why did he use it Vic? 

I must have missed that myth, though I was aware that there was a growing movement of anti-vaccers regardless of race which has been shown to be true and largely the reason for the drop off in vaccinations.

We know the TRUMP VACCINE is safe n effective, but since you somehow missed it, the big lie was that white people were rejecting it and minorities couldn't get it.

The Trump Vaccine

I'm his biggest supporter and I got vaccinated ASAP.

Why in the world do you want to name the vaccine after Trump?  Is he a scientist. No, he is anti-science. 

You are under the mistaken impression that if not for Trump there would have been no vaccine. (He says it would have taken 5 years). 

This belief has no basis in reality. 

Is it a good thing that he talked up "warp speed"? Of course, but it is not a reason to name the vaccine after him. 

You are under the mistaken impression that if not for Trump there would have been no vaccine.

Left up the FDA regulations it could easily have taken that long.


This belief has no basis in reality. 

It was shared by leftist icon Dr Fauci who doubted openly that Trump could get it done that quick:

"Later in the year, Fauci suggested a similar timeline during a   Senate   committee hearing.

"It will take  at least a year  to a year and a half to have a vaccine we can use," Fauci said on March 3, 2020."

newsweek

What about his other supporters who won't get it?

That's kind of a sweeping generalization, maybe a lie. What evidence do you have that it is the Trump supporters who are rejecting it?

the big lie was that white people were rejecting it and minorities couldn't get it.

That's not what I was hearing on the MSM, perhaps only right wing media was telling their gullible listeners what they claimed the MSM was saying based on some obscure extremists somewhere.

Trump did little to actually get the vaccine created, in fact one can argue he was counterproductive by initially lying about the severity of the virus, lying about how fast it would "just disappear" "like a miracle", lying about the effective methods to keep one safe, dismissing social distancing and mask wearing as unnecessary and suggesting such insane ideas such as injecting disinfectants.

"I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me."

Finally approving "Operation Warp Speed" was admittedly a bright spot among the Trump administrations last year but was frankly the very least he could have done after accepting the seriousness of the pandemic. To try to name the many different pharmaceutical companies hard work on actually creating a vaccine after Trump when all he did was create a task force that fast tracked approvals seems a bit much and something only a pompous Authoritarian would try to do.

I don't see Trump's name on the vaccine labels. I do see Pfuzer, Moderna, or J&J.

I don't see Trump's name on the vaccine labels.

Nor do you see Jonas Salk's name on the Polio vaccine, but just like Donald Trump Salk overcame red tape and got the country the desperately needed vaccine. Both men will forever have their names forever tied to the vaccines they got to us in record time.

I see the names of the pharmaceutical companies that actually did the work and produced the vaccine. But unlike Jonas Salk, Trump will also be forever tied to the dismal Covid response and subsequent 500k+ deaths, more than any other country in the world.

Left up the FDA regulations it could easily have taken that long.

Another utterly uninformed proclamation. 

The since 2004 FDA regulations gives EUA authority without any input from the POTUS. The fact that you think that Trump was responsible for the EUA's is hilarious. 

Trying to claim it didn't happen by focusing on the word "armed" is extremely dishonest and is an attempt to defend the insurrectionists and shows utter contempt for our constitution and the rule of law.

The dishonesty was trying to pretend the incident was more than it was. There was also the double standard concerning how those protestors were treated vs how the vicious animals of antifa and BLM were treated.

Anti-fa and BLM

At least 11 Americans have been killed while participating in political demonstrations this year and another 14 have died in other incidents linked to political unrest, according to new data from a non-profit monitoring political unrest in the United States.

Nine of the people killed during protests were demonstrators taking part in Black Lives Matter protests.

theguardian


I say they did a lot worse and got off easy, because those in power share their ideology.

The dishonesty was trying to pretend the incident was more than it was.

It was an attempted insurrection, no more, no less, but that alone was more than enough to react the way America has when the very foundation of our Democracy was attacked.

There was also the double standard concerning how those protestors were treated vs how the vicious animals of antifa and BLM were treated.

Bullshit. There was no double standard, the vast majority (93%) of protests and protestors were peaceful, the few that turned violent had hundreds of arrests and prosecutions of those who attacked police, vandalized property or looted shops and stores. Did all of them get arrested? Of course not, and neither did every insurrectionist who attacked the capital. Trying to tie every BLM member or complaining that the BLM members or movement or even the ANTIFA movement that has no leaders or infrastructure hasn't paid any price for the violent protests is absurd, those who committed violence, vandalism and looting should be held accountable, not those 93% who participated in protests peacefully and had every right to do so and had very real issues of inequity they were protesting against whether you agree that black lives matter or not. It seems like most of the right wing conservatives actively trying to label anyone associated with the BLM movement as violent vandals are the latter.

...how the vicious animals of antifa and BLM were treated.

Dehumanize much? 

The 1/6 protestors attacked the Capitol trying to disrupt the standard process of the transfer of power all on the lies of Trump.

Hopefully, we can, as a country, survive the stain of the Liar Trump that is still bleeding out onto this country. Hopefully, the country can survive the continued lies of the privileged caste, until the systems of social energy that have been used to hold the untouchables, the non-whites, in their perpetual underclassed positions can be made to reflect the true equality of all people.  

The 1/6 protestors attacked the Capitol trying to disrupt the standard process of the transfer of power all on the lies of Trump.

Notice he's never called his fellow Trump supporters, even the ones seen beating capital police with a flag pole, "vicious animals".  [DELETED]

What do you call the former occupant of the White House

A great President.

Of course not, and neither did every insurrectionist who attacked the capital.

Everyone who entered was charged and many are still incarcerated for trespassing. Rioting is a federal offense and BLM and antifa went on a violent rampage since May 2019. Why aren't they being prosecuted?

Ah, the infamous "out of town right wing agitators" bit again. It is old, stale, and ridiculous.

"Seth G. Jone, director of the transnational threats project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, reviewed protests in more than 140 cities and spoke with U.S. officials within the joint terrorism task force. Most of the violence , Jones said, was committed by “local hooligans, sometimes gangs, sometimes just individuals that are trying to take advantage of an opportunity. ”

“There were reports of some antifa at different protests,” he concluded. “But they stood back, did not engage, certainly not in a violent way.”

Officials have arrested more than 14,000 people across 49 cities nationwide since May 27, according to a Washington Post tally of data provided by police departments and included in media reports.  Thousands were arrested  for low-level offenses, including curfew violations and failure to disperse.

Roughly 80 federal charges, including murder and throwing molotov cocktails at police vehicles, reveal no evidence of an antifa plot.  Four people  who identify with the far-right extremist “boogaloo” movement are among those facing the most serious federal charges. Asked whether anyone who identifies as antifa had been charged, Department of Justice spokesman Matt Lloyd said via email, “We do not collect statistics based on potential inspiration but on unlawful acts according to statute.”

So Portland doesn't exist? No Antifa there at all doing anything?

No where in my post did I make that claim. The FACTS show that the majority of the arrests, violence and instigators were not "leftist radicals" as my multiple links prove. I am not saying there weren't some associated with ANTIFA or even BLM who did resort to violence or vandalism and they should be held responsible for their actions, but again, the majority of the violence was NOT perpetrated by them as many sad sore loser conservatives have been claiming.

The FACTS show that the majority of the arrests, violence and instigators were not "leftist radicals" as my multiple links prove

I think the reasoning behind that is that left wing prosecutors have a history of not bringing charges, or dropping charges of most ANTIFA and BLM rioters. When charges are dropped, then there really is not trail of any arrest, as it is probably stricken from the public access.

"I think the reasoning behind that is that left wing prosecutors have a history of not bringing charges, or dropping charges of most ANTIFA and BLM rioters."

Another baseless useless opinion with exactly ZERO evidence to back it up, much like the sore loser claims that the last election was "stolen".

"When charges are dropped, then there really is not trail of any arrest, as it is probably stricken from the public access."

So to you a lack of evidence is evidence? With reasoning skills like that why aren't you a police detective or a prosecutor? /s

So to you a lack of evidence is evidence? With reasoning skills like that why aren't you a police detective or a prosecutor

Well, to ignore your personal insult in the first part of your comment, I will respond to this part.

At least you acknowledge it is an OPINION.

Now, the reason why I am not a detective or a prosecutor is because the first time an idiot perp decides to attack me, I have zero problem blowing them away, with zero though to leftist whining that will be sure to follow.

Plus, I decided to spend the first 20 years of my adult life serving this country.

You?

So to you a lack of evidence is evidence?

Sorry to burst your narrative, but cops do not arrest someone just for the hell of it.

I know most loon leftists think otherwise.

Sorry to burst your narrative, but cops do not arrest someone just for the hell of it.

No where do I claim that people were arrested "just for the hell of it". The links I provide show that thousands were arrested though most were for " low-level offenses, including curfew violations and failure to disperse." Of the major felony arrests, many were of right wing agitators and few were "leftist radicals".

I know most loon leftists think otherwise.

I've no clue what "loon leftists" might think, I don't make it a habit of studying their lunacy or bothering to listen to them. Thankfully, they represent just a tiny minority way out on the far left extremist edge and shouldn't ever be taken seriously.

No where do I claim that people were arrested "just for the hell of it". The links I provide show that thousands were arrested though most were for " low-level offenses, including curfew violations and failure to disperse." Of the major felony arrests, many were of right wing agitators and few were "leftist radicals".

Two of your links were from May and June of last year, the Australian one was simply piggy backing off the WaPo story. This was early in the summer before the BLM and ANTIFA riots really kicked into gear.

It is a well known fact that the Portland, Seattle, LA and other blue city DAs refused to prosecute the vast majority of those arrested for actual violence and simply sent them back into the streets to do it again that same night or the next.

Even the Portland mayor is realizing how he, and his DA, are idiots for letting this crap go on for so long.

I thought trifling nonsense was your favorite thing. 

Simple yes-or-no question, Vic:

Did Biden win the 2020 election?

I hate to bother you with the topic but where they not lies?

Of course, you really didn't address that question to me did you?  It's the little box that says REPLY.

Simple yes-or-no question, Vic:

Did Biden win the 2020 election?

I'll keep asking until you answer. 

It's an easy way to see who is a Trump-true-believer, and who is not. Will you answer, Vic? Or will you wiggle away?

Did Biden win the 2020 election?

I think Bernie Sanders and Susan Rice won it.

Never a straight answer, eh, Vic?

Don't like it?  Too bad.

Save the stawmen for those who are impressed with you.

I think Bernie Sanders and Susan Rice won it.

Were they on the election ballot?

Nope, but we got them anyway.

Nope, but we got them anyway.

Then they didn't actually "win." Thanks for clearing that up. 

Then they didn't actually "win."

Technically a brain dead proxy won by the name of Joe Biden. He was their proxy. So for what matters - they won.

Now it's very clear, isn't it?

won by the name of Joe Biden

Does that mean that you consider Biden to be the legitimate President of the United States?

Technically a brain dead proxy won by the name of Joe Biden. He was their proxy. So for what matters - they won.

They didn't "win" anything. They're still there. Nothing has changed.

Does that mean that you consider Biden to be the legitimate President of the United States?

Of course Bob. Not only is it a childish question, it has nothing to do with the topic or the conversation. What is your point, Bob?

They didn't "win" anything.

Sanders had a Socialist vision for America. Rice is calling the shots. I'd say they are the big winners.

Sanders had a Socialist vision for America.

And yet, we're not socialist.

Rice is calling the shots.

I don't see "President" in her title.

I'd say they are the big winners.

Nope. They're still the same.

Not only is it a childish question

Not really. There are still those who actually think Biden is not the legitimate President and that the election was stolen.

What is your point, Bob?

So far, you're the sole NT Trumpist who is willing to state that Biden is legitimate.

Not those who call Biden an illegitimate president.

I believe just about everyone here knows that Biden won.

... but you feel you must avoid saying it...     ''just about everyone here'' doesn't necessarily include you.

I just said it. 

No, actually. You did not. You said '' I believe just about everyone here knows that Biden won. ''

That's weasel-wording that carefully does not say that you believe that Biden is the legitimate President of the United States.

You've given yourself at least two escape routes here. First, ''just about everyone'' may not include you. Second, ''Biden won'' is not the same as ''Biden is legitimate'', because Trump's Big Lie is that Biden won by fraud.

Weasel-words, Tex. Weasel-words.

As always.

How about you, C4P?

Will you state unequivocally that Biden is the legitimate President of the United States? Or, like Tex, will you weasel-word to avoid betraying your Glorious Leader?

Will you be up-front, and say outright that you believe that Biden stole the election?

Tell me, was Trump the legitimate President?

Of course.

I do not remember any prominent politicians ever saying otherwise. Hillary quickly conceded, as has long been America's democratic tradition... until Trump...

LOL   Good luck.

you even insinuating anything else

I did not.

You really must learn to read what others actually write...

I said that '' I believe just about everyone here knows that Biden won '' is not the same as "Biden is the legitimate President". I underscored my bemusement at your elaborate verbal construction, cumbersomely avoiding saying "Biden is the legitimate President".

Who is "triggered" here, Tex? Certainly not I. I'm not the topic. My words are limpid. Your words are turbid. Your words are the topic.

Even now, you have avoided a simple declarative sentence, "Biden is the legitimate President", in favor of an arcane " I have never claimed anything EXCEPT that Biden is the legitimate President"... which I personally am having trouble parsing. I'd guess I'm not alone.

Why is it so difficult for you to make a simple declaration: "Biden is the legitimate President of the United States?

when they were all screeching crap about Trump not being legitimate

I remember no such screeching.

If you can document that action, I would be happy to condemn it.

But... I think you're just makin' sh!t up...

u can document that action, I would be happy to condemn it.

Here's Democratic leaders:

apnews

foxnews

cnn

brooklynpaper

Not to mention 68% of Democrats believing Trump wasn't a legitimate President 

thehill

I'm always shocked by many progressive's  ability to ignore  yesterday's actions/words and just pretend they never happened.  They've trained their minds to act like a Stalinist  history book. Everything inconvenient for today's partisan agenda just gets wiped clean. 

Yup prominent Ds, including Hillary, did call Trump illegitimate.   Partisan politics.   

But I absolutely disagree with your focus on progressives as if this is not true regardless of ideology / partisanship.

Re-read your own links.

They do not say what you wish.

It's your usual crap.

Link, please. Sean's links are his usual out-of-context crap.

You have no proof. 

Typical Trumpism: slime whomever you please, without proof.

Bravo!

Quotes out of context are deceit.

I don't debate with intellectually dishonest people, Tex.

Bye.

Re-read your own links.

Discussion sites require a modicum of good faith to be worthwhile.  That when you write the word sun, you won't claim two minutes later you were talking about the moon. It's sad to see you stoop to such a bad faith, Orwellian attempt to disown your own claims. Do you imagine anyone doesn't see right through your pathetic attempt? 

Credibility is a hell of thing to waste Bob. Just take the L and move on. 

Sean Treacy expounding on ''credibility''!

Hilarious!

Simple yes-or-no question, Vic:

Did Donald Trump win the 2020 election?