It's Thursday morning in Bernie Sanders America.
Thursday, August 12, 2021
The sun still rises in the east, but so much has changed in our lives in this past year. For many it is a chapter right out of George Orwell's 1984. A quick look at the days headlines reveals that our discredited CDC has once again played politics by doubling Florida's covid rate:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/how-did-cdc-botch-florida-covid-numbers-state-deputy-health-secretary-responds
Gee, why would they do that? Then we learned the other day that governor Andrew Cuomo resigned amid allegations of sexual harrassment. A moderate democrat will finish his term after that we can expect the malicious prosecutor Letitia James to make a run for the job. Meanwhile on the west coast governor Gavin Newsom, who is facing a recall election, had a meltdown:
The Daily Mail has released a video film of Hunter Biden discussing Russian drug dealers possibly stealing his laptop with a prostitute:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9881213/Unearthed-video-shows-naked-Hunter-Biden-claiming-Russian-drug-dealers-stole-laptop.html
(WARNING: EXPLICIT CONTENT)
Expect nothing to come of it.
The story of the week of course, is the success democrats have had with their two shots at "reconcilliation." It won't be much longer and they will have passed two massive pieces of legislation with the insane process that allows for the slimest of majorities to pass legislation as if they had a super majority. When it happens, Bernie Sanders & AOC will have their green new deal and Americans can go pound sand. That will do it for this year's legislation. (The two bullets will have been used.)
In the meantime open borders, rising crime, rising inflation, rising gas prices and indoctrination are the order of the day. We've all heard the progressives deny it is happening. That brings us home to our own headlines. Looking around this morning at the top five on NT is sobering. There is one that uses the inflated CDC figures, another that references a Trump pipe dream, another that features a "leaked" CDC document and one article that deals with an actual discussion of how dangerous the Delta variant is.
Will it be another day like yesterday? What did we learn then? First we heard from those who think that school boards can teach our children whatever they want and if we don't like it we must sit back and wait to vote the current members out. Despite the fact that in many places school board members are being recalled. That is what is supposed to happen when your local school superintendent turns out to be Mao Zedong! Btw, for those interested in sad endings: Yesterday's discussion focused on Loudoun County Virginia, where we were constantly reminded that the board was considering: a new policy of transgender rights for students. This morning we woke up to what we all expected. Despite parents objections and the resignation of a courageous teacher, the radical school board decided to approve the new policy.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-school-board-approves-controversial-transgender-policy
We also heard from our radical readers. You know, those who are obsessed with race and want reparations and CRT taught to our children. Ya, them! They are constantly reminding us that we are living amongst those who hate the country and demand punishment/rewards based on race.
The Biden administration has the better part of four years to go. The democrat dominated congress has only about a year and a half of life before they get the boot. Until then we have to suffer the consequences of what has to be considered one of the most consequential elections in American history.
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Good morning all
This is to everyone on this thread:
This thread has been removed because of the personal nature of all the comments, none of which were on the actual topic. Please stop with the personal comments. Only warning.
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Welcome to DeSantis Florida.
7 day average number of new cases 21,169, 14,200 hospitalized, 2,700 in ICU and 122 deaths per day.
Over 200 kids hospitalized as of yesterday.
Will it stick?
I doubt it.
It's a reality for Florida and has been for a while. I am sure that the folks that are in the hospital with Covid and those in ICU and of course the dead and dying don't much care what you think.
Don't think so. We have a democrat governor who put covid infected pateints in nursing homes. I don't many even know. Biden's name is all over the covid issue now. He gets blame/credit.
TiG told us - that's how it works!
Like most large states, Florida has had it's ups and downs with covid. CA & NY still leads the list with deaths. The fact that CDC doubled the figures reminds us of how political it all is.
You won't be able to hang a pandemic on a Governor the way the the media hung it on Trump. After all, Trump listened to Dr Fauci and shut down a robust economy. That's big. Temporary covid flare ups in states is not.
LOL, too funny I don't see the DOH complaining about all of the rest of the results..BTW the revised number is no where close to what FL DOH is saying.
It would be much better if DeSantis would post the number on a dailty basis like it was done for a year and a half, but to try to hide what is happening he is only allowing the DOH to post number once a week.
That's pretty much more of your BS opinion.
Keep spinning, Vic.
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Hello, Kavika. While I recognize your DeSantis "snarkasm", it would be helpful to have those numbers supported by scientific data. For instance ... of those hospitalized, ICU, death numbers:
I'm happy that you think you recognize my DeSantis ''snarkasm'' Living in the middle of this diaster in Florida makes me point out the bull shit that is trying to be passed off in some of the articles.
Until DeSantis stopped the DOH from posting the numbers on a daily basis and stopping the dashboard that would give us Florida residents a huge amount of info on Covid including breaking it down to counties, cities, and zip codes we actually had a very good idea of what was happening in our state. Currently, it's more difficult to get the information.
But here is the link to the information that I posted above, except for the number of kids that is a different report.
You could ask DeSantis since he is the one complaining about it.
You could also ask him about the prior surges that we've had in Florida when he couldn't use the ''Squirrel'' routine since another administration was in place.
The DOH hasn't reported their number for today, but let's hope that it's below 20,000 new cases and 100 deaths and no addition to the children being hospitalized.
"For many it is a chapter right out of George Orwell's 1984."
Not even close up here in the Great White which is not to say there are no loons but the majority of them are real and only haunt the myriad of faeries that dance from leaf to leaf as the morning sun rises from lake to lake. By 1984, 1984 was passé.
It was a blueprint for those who liked what they saw.
It was a dust collector for those who jumped from Machiavelli's The Prince to Robert Greene's The Laws of Power.
Disinformation ..... a socialists/communists best friend.
Doom and Gloom, a Trumpist's best friends.
Still riddled with TDS i see ..... Must be a very sad existence for you ....
You notice that none of them can contest the content of that article.
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Why on Earth would one bother to contest something so blatantly one-sided in which the only intent is to troll?
Yay, a free bookmark.
Only wackos are on that "communist" trip. Get off that bus while you still can.
Factual comments are never "wacko" John. At least not to the untriggered.
Maybe one day you'll start making some.
It has been almost 100 years since the last time a Communist Party candidate got as much as 2% in ANY election. They havent even run any candidates in any election since the 1980's. They havent even held a party convention for 7 years. All their publications have been scaling back.
So where the hell is this communist threat? Or are communists going to take over without an organization?
We get the same nonsense up here and there aren't enough communists nation wide to elect a dogcatcher in a village.
That horse left your barn long, long ago buddy.
the communist party did not need to run a
their own candidate. As they said themselves, the democrat party was the best ally they had.
Probably unlike other people, I watched the Gavin Newsome video. I kept waiting for the "unhinged" part to start, and it never did. What he did do was go through a litany of the ways he says California is more successful than Texas or Florida. Was he a little agitated? ok, but that is not an unhinged rant.
Which is why so many have fled CA for Texas & Florida. Real people vote with their feet John.
I watched it. If Trump had delivered the same damn response word for word you and every other leftist would be calling him a deranged lunatic; and his removal.
There is a reason that Newsome is being recalled.
I think it is rather hilarious he is bitching about his economy being tanked by Covid. That didn't save Trump; and it damn well sure shouldn't save him.
Yesterday you posted a fake news seed which suggested that the reconciliation bill had already passed, and today you double down on the same nonsense.
Manchin and Sinema have said, as recently as YESTERDAY that they will not vote yes on a 3.5 trillion package.
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Then you didn't read the last line of the seed. That's on you John. You have to read the entire seed.
and today you double down on the same nonsense.
Today is my opinion and yes, John that second monster bill will be passed in some form. A few moderate dems can easily be accomodated and then you can have everything you weanted despite only having a 50-50 split in the Senate. It only takes "reconciliation" which democrats got a nice big double helping of.
Here she is John:
Elizabeth MacDonough
Appointed by then Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
An important role of the parliamentarian is to decide what can and cannot be done under the Senate's Reconciliation process under the provisions of the Byrd Rule . [2] These rulings are important because they allow certain bills to be approved by a simple majority, instead of the sixty votes needed to end debate and block a filibuster .
She has been very generous in the past 6 months. I guess McConnell loves respecting the rules even when they should be questioned.
Thanks for the irrelevant information.
John Solomon's language was intentionally misleading. You know it and I know it and everyone who read it knows it.
In the mainstream MSM article the vote was identified as being on a budget resolution (which is NOT final passage). Your seed , IN THE FIRST SENTENCE, Implied the 3.5 trillion dollar bill was passed.
Manchin said yesterday, after the budget resolution vote, that he will not vote for 3.5 trillion. Was that in Solomon's article?
We know you hate Solomon. Again, what did the last sentence in the report say?
His own co-workers at The Hill had to ask management to have investigative reporter removed from his bylines because they were embarrassed by his gaslighting articles.
He's an investigate reporter who had a lot to do with breaking the story on Hillary Clinton and the Steele Dossier:
Aug. 09, 2018
“Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson — paid by Hillary Clinton’s campaign to find dirt on her GOP rival — met secretly with a top Justice Department official, right after Trump won the 2016 election,” wrote Solomon. The revelation that the FBI investigation was instigated by spurious, paid opposition research aimed at hurting President Trump is damaging to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s case.
According to Solomon, further evidence reveals how the political report was passed from the DOJ to the FBI, setting off the Mueller investigation. Solomon reports, “Two days after Ohr's meeting with Simpson, the senior DOJ official met with the FBI and submitted to an interview about what he had learned.”
“And all wondered why a Justice official — Ohr — who was not in the chain of command in the Russia counterintelligence probe, and whose wife worked for Fusion GPS on the Trump project, interviewed Simpson at all,” Solomon wrote.
It was ground breaking at the time, but now everyone knows about it and thus why his lefty co-workers at the Hill hate him.
I want to say something else about all this
Because the 1619 Project made it WIDELY known that the first African slaves to come to America happened at that time, certain conservatives have tried to downplay that news by claiming directly at times, or indirectly at other times, that the 1619 Project is wrong because those whites at that time were not "Americans" and we cant discuss slavery in terms of "America" until July 4 1776.
This may be an effective semantic trick that impresses some, but it holds very little water.
When you read a history of Virginia they dont start with July 4 1776. If you read a history of the Washington family in America, it doesnt start with July 4, 1776. When you read a history of The United States of America it doesnt start with July 4, 1776. If you looked at the records of the Virginia plantations regarding their slaves , names and ages and whatnot, do you think such records start on July 4 1776? It was the same family owning those slaves before and after that date and likely dating back another hundred years to the early to mid 1600's.
Why is it so hard for right wingers to get real ?
There was slavery world wide at that time. Recording the date the first slave stepped off a boat into a colony only amounts to one thing - hate!
Only somebody who deeply resented the United States of America would write such an essay and only a progressive publication like the New York Times would publish it and attempt to convert it into text books for public school students. We have already allowed a bit of that via Howard Zinn's book which was written as a text book. Telling history through the eyes of groups such as slaves is not a balanced history. It is more an op-ed for all those who hate the country.
We are on to it now and like it or not it is where the first battle will be fought against the left.
Go back to hiding your head in the sand Vic, we understand.
I'm telling you straight out - We aren't going to let you indoctrinate our children and there will not be reparations.
Bazinga!
then I suppose there will be civil rights protests ad infinitum
people know who the racists are in this society, its not any great mystery
Even the 1619 author and the NYT backed off the ridiculous claim that America's true founding was 1619. Why would you persist in perpetuating an argument too embarrassing even for those liars?
When you read a history of The United States of America it doesnt start with July 4, 1776
And they will start before 1619 too. What's your point?
Do you credit America with the glorious revolution in 1688? What about saving Vienna from the Ottoman empire in 1683? There is no rhyme or reason to arbitrarily assigning responsibility to "America" for the random landing of slaves in British territory. Why not claim America was founded when the first human crossed the land bridge? Or Ponce De Leon landed? Why were the first colonists not Americans but the magically became them in 1619?
There've been reparations for generations. The problem, as any observer of humanity will tell you, is that they will never, ever be enough.
Sean I never said the nation was founded in 1619. You are confused. The founding of the nation was 1776. The people in 1619 were Americans though, there is a through line from them to everything else that came after.
It is ENTIRELY a semantical game to claim that those slaves did not come to America.
But that was the original claim of the 1619 project. I'm glad we agree that's bull.
The people in 1619 were Americans though, t
But 1619 is an arbitrary date. They were also, by that logic, Americans in 1618.
Moreover, the only thing that made them Americans was residing in the American continent. Canadians were just as much Americans as those residing in Virginia. An "American" after 1776 means something vastly different than it did before.
The term "Americans" applied to British settlers in the British colonies
I never said anything about what date they became Americans.
Okay. Then I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
And by the way, the claim that 1619 was the true founding date of the United States was not meant to be taken literally. Conservatives took it literally in order to have an argument against her.
What is the point of saying they weren't Americans and slavery isnt Americans fault until 1776 ?
Sure. That's always a great excuse.
The project was originally (since edited) introduced as designed to "reframe the country's history, understanding 1619 as our true founding". You can spin that all day and night but words have meanings.
Why would it be limited to that?
"1619" was the year the first slaves were sold in America. It was in Mass.,I think. Hence, the "1619 Project" is a history of slavery and social issues impacted by slavery in the areas that will be come America.
First act when Republicans retake the House and Senate is to dump her ass and put their own partisan hack in.
Why not have the date be when the first indentured servants started in the US? They had just as much to do with the growth of this country as slavery. Of course they were white, and don't count in leftist land.
Dump her in her Ice Cream section.
You cannot face America's racial past. Can't face it. If you could you would simply say to people of color "I'm sorry for the way your people have been mistreated through American history and we are all going to do better going forward". THAT would be a good start. Constantly complaining about people who want the truth to be part of America's history is just self serving whining.
When the CRT thing first came up I said on this forum that I am not a big fan of Critical Race Theory because it does tend to create a combative mentality on both sides.
But schools are not teaching CRT.
America has been through the course of its history a racist country. Schoolchildren should be taught that so that they never go back to it.
That teaching is not the scary monster you act like it is.
To whom John? The black Americans of today?
You know what my next book review will be, right? The very book you endorsed and so many historians have called into question,
Schoolchildren should be taught that so that they never go back to it.
That is not what CRT teaches.
I'm glad you picked up on those I was referring to. I wonder if somebody else will get it? Everyone missed who I was talking about in the "Billy Budd" review.
Yep. Although I know thats impossible since you have already complained that black Americans of today dont show proper gratitude that whites died in the Civil War so blacks could be free.
America has been a racist country constantly since 1619 or so and you think they owe white people gratitude? Yikes.
I never specifically singled out black Americans on that one. I think many white progressives have failed to give America the resect it is due. Nobody would have benefited more than those who went and graduated from our indoctrination diploma mills. After all, during the Vietnam War they got their exemptions while other went to war.
America has been a racist country constantly since 1619
How many times do I have to correct you on that. America was not a country in 1619. BTW the New York Times is a joke.
There was a map maker named Americus Vespuci, thus the name.
America was not a country in 1619.
Maybe that should be part of basic history.
I never claimed there was a country named America. There isnt a country named America today either.
The "conservative" argument , if you will, is that inhabitants of the land known as America were not referred to as Americans before July 4 1776, and that is simply not true.
As if you know.
You can dance and spin all you want - The United States of America did not exist in 1619.
Btw the ignorant racist know as Nikole Hannah-Jones even lied about the colony she wrote about and the Revolutionary War.
She is scum.
I dont give a shit. That has never been my point.
YES IT IS YOUR POINT!
In Britain, in the colonial era, at least some people in Britain referred to the colonists as the "Americans". I dont know how widespread it was, although among the British policy makers I expect it was pretty widespread, but I'm not going to go digging through tons of old books and papers to find out how widespread it was either.
Oh please.
No don't bother. It isn't working. That's what happens when you try and back up the likes of Nikole Hannah-Jones
Well, I am speaking of the country that exists TODAY. Your argument is like saying it would be wrong to say
"Maine has had rainy weather for thousands of years"
on the basis that Maine has only existed since 1665.
I suspect the concept will not ring a bell with you though.
You lose these arguments every time Vic. Go back to the drawing board.
Only in your mind John, only in YOUR mind .... well a few others here as well but that's how it works on the grade school playground ......
Debate Texan. That might be entertaining in a remedial sort of way.
Nah, i'd rather play with the balls of yarn here that i usual debate with ..... most are amusing for at least the first few seconds
I seriously doubt if you could even explain your own point.
I don't know, from what i see of your stuff here you underestimate your opponent on a regular basis.
Usually ending with the requisite ad hominem attacking your opponents intelligence.
A true sign of a debate loss most every time.
Lol, so far the only argument I lost was very recently and the reason I lost it was because I mischaracterized somebody. So I have 1 in the loss column.
Find those missing 0's Vic !
There all behind the 5 in the win column.
I see you're back on this "everybody must validate and participate in John's wallow in white liberal guilt-fest" program.
I'm much less concerned about what happened 400 years ago than I am about what we're going to do about it now.
America has never not been a racist nation. If it has it is only very recently. Why would you think the descendants of the victims would just be all ready to say "let bygones be bygones". Is that human nature?
There has to be a reckoning. It can be peaceful.
Not what your asking for .... very doubtful ....
I don't care. We can't change yesterday, much less 400 years ago.
If you were serious about change, you'd understand why we have to move past white people's feelings.
If "white America" does not say "we're sorry" to people of color ,blacks, native Americans, Asians, for the way you were treated for hundreds of years, then racial reconciliation will never happen.
What exact form the "we're sorry" will take is an unknown future. I know one thing, it will not be just "lets let bygones be bygones". It will be a form of accountability.
An apology is only going to make YOU feel better. If you imagine black people are going to believe your apology, you mistake them for fools. They will believe you're sorry when they see some tangible results.
So we're admitting we have zero plan of action other than "feel very guilty and make it public". The idea that "accountability" will be involved is more far-fetched than the idea we'll colonize Mars by 2025. We've actually landed something on Mars.
I'm not really presently all that interested in what form the "reckoning" or apology takes. That can develop organically.
All I know is that "its not my fault" is not going to cut it.
You go right ahead and take responsibility for it.
Here, I'll help you.
All the bad things that have ever happened to black people in the New World since 1619 are John's responsibility and he's very, very sorry.
Great.
Now, what do you plan to do about it?
So it's not your fault.
OK, see how well that works out over the next decade.
Not one iota. What an utterly ridiculous suggestion.
Explain how something that happened in 1700 could possibly be my fault. For that matter, explain how something that happened in 1970 could be my fault. (I was 4 years old).
Out of curiosity, for what other historical events do I supposedly bear responsibility? The Lusitania? The War of 1812? The Spanish Inquisition? The Viking siege of Paris? The fall of Rome? The Peloponnesian War? The Sphinx's nose? Do tell. I don't want to miss anything.
It's going to work out pretty much as it has for the last 5. Black lives will matter much less than white liberal feelings. We'll do a few inane, feeble things that make white liberals feel less guilty so they can get on with their lives without ever having to do the difficult stuff that might actually matter.
There is nothing "ridiculous" about it. What do you think the history of this country is in terms of race? No harm , no foul?
The sad part is it wouldnt hurt a single white soul to apologize for racism. The only thing it would hurt is some white people's exaggerated self righteousness.
It's ridiculous on a galactic scale. It's moronic. It is the ultimate annihilation of reason by blind, senseless emotion. It is off the lunatic deep end.
I think the history of racism in this country since about 1970 is white liberals demanding useless action simply to assuage their guilt instead of actually doing anything helpful. I think I've been pretty clear on that.
It wouldn't hurt them to apologize for the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius, either, which would be equally helpful.
Dude... the one being self-righteous here is you. You are the one who is convinced you're somehow morally superior because you feel guilty for shit none of us had any control over.
I think you know that comment is nothing but silly. It would equally helpful to apologize to a slab of rock as it would be to apologize to 40 million people? Really? Helpful to what?
Guilt about what? I have no white guilt. I dont even want you or anyone else to feel guilty about something you werent alive for. You, and I, can apologize for the past. Its not even that difficult. You just have to have empathy for people who have gotten the short end of the stick. Read Tanahesi Coates argument for reparations. Watch John Olivers recent show where he concluded that reparations should be paid. Black net worth in America today is 1/10th of white net worth.
How did that happen? Are blacks and Native Americans just that naturally stupid that they cannot get ahead?
Black people were funneled into ghettos. When they tried , in many cases , to move out of the ghetto they were shut down.
What is that, no harm no foul. Not your fault? So what?
The entire idea is silly, John. That's the point.
I actually said "apologize for", but "apologize to" works just as well. Yes, it would be as helpful to apologize to a pile of rocks.
This just gets crazier by the sentence.
And what will that achieve, exactly?
If you had empathy for them, you would be supporting ideas that actually might improve their lives.
You want an easy out where you can write a check with somebody else's money so you can feel less guilty. But that check isn't going to solve your problem or theirs.
The correct question is "how is it still happening"?
We don't educate them as well as we do white kids. Even when they're in the same school with the white kids. That's not ancient history. That's happening today.
If that were really the problem you would have seen the wealth gap start to narrow when those practices stopped. But it has expanded.
Of course it wasn't my fault. How many slaves did you own? How many red lines did you draw?
What will it take for you to stop dithering about things that stopped decades or centuries ago and open your eyes to what is happening right now?
If we are not guilty of doi g anything g what so I have to apologize for.
Why is any of this surprising? The entire world is being confronted with uncontrollable disruptions and the incompetence that has risen to the top (because it's their turn) is searching for easy fixes. The world is being led by people who don't know how to do anything; they have people for that.
We've entered the end stage where man-made unsustainable problems are being fixed with political memes by leaders who don't know how to do anything other than how to cheat and game the system. How'd you think that was going to end?
Reality, like the COVID virus, doesn't care. The COVID pandemic will fix itself by killing everyone that's susceptible. Reality always finds its own sustainable balance. And political memes aren't going to change that.
Well said Sir.