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The CDC and pandemic propaganda

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  4 years ago  •  133 comments

By:   Ryan Bomberger

The CDC and pandemic propaganda
From an epidemiological standpoint, this doesn’t make that town representative of the general population at all. Never mentioned in the CDC report is the fact that “Bear Week” was the “summer event” at the center of the spread. “Bear Week” is celebrated by Provincetown Tourism as “the largest gathering of bears [hairy and often overweight gay men] in the world” where “tens of thousands come to Provincetown during this annual [July] event.” The website proudly proclaims: “You know what you’re...

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This is an excellent example of how CDC propaganda distorts the real story of the covid pandemic and the types of risk involved and the common sense way of mitigating it’s impact.  A great article and expose.  


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



The CDC and pandemic propaganda



By Ryan Bomberger , Exclusive Columnist


119999_w_400_332.jpg Ryan Bomberger is the co-founder of The Radiance Foundation.

Ahhhh. Barnstable County, Massachusetts. To most Americans, it has no special meaning. But when the CDC strongly  “recommended”  everyone wear masks indoors based on what happened there this summer, shouldn’t we care about what produced the federal agency’s pandemic response? 

The  CDC report  starts off: “During July 2021, 469 cases of COVID-19 associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings  in a town in Barnstable County , Massachusetts, were identified among Massachusetts residents.”

The first thing that’s odd is that the CDC never mentions the town's name. It’s Provincetown — considered a gay Mecca to tens of thousands of homosexual men and women. In fact, the town’s Chamber of Commerce confirms such a description, stating  on its website: “LGBTQA+ visitors are a major component of Provincetown’s tourism economy and continue to make Provincetown one of top GLBT destinations in the world.”

From an epidemiological standpoint, this doesn’t make that town representative of the general population at all.


Never mentioned in the CDC report is the fact that “Bear Week” was the “summer event” at the center of the spread. “Bear Week” is  celebrated  by Provincetown Tourism as “the largest gathering of bears [hairy and often overweight gay men] in the world” where “tens of thousands come to Provincetown during this annual [July] event.” The website proudly proclaims: “You know what you’re getting into when you attend.” By  getting into,  they mean a weeklong orgy among thousands of strangers. 

But the CDC won’t tell you this. Instead, the nation’s Centers for Disease Control keeps it a secret by using the phrase “a town in Barnstable County” eight times in four pages. Mainstream media mostly refused to say it too.  CBS , for instance, did a 6-minute segment and never mentions  LGBT or homosexuality once.

The “news” piece omits the curious fact that 87% of those infected in Provincetown were men, and of course, never reports the weeklong orgy. In the segment, Washington Post reporter Hannah Knowles makes the curious and laughable statement: “This is a story that needed to be taken in context, and not everybody got the context. And some people saw the headlines that were genuinely game changing.” They didn’t  provide  the context.


Isn’t all of the data regarding a global pandemic relevant? If the CDC is going to issue  nationwide “guidance”  requiring masks (that even manufacturers declare on the packaging: “do not protect from infection or prevent the spread of diseases”) shouldn’t we be given context? How do you apply behavior in a decidedly skewed demographic to the general population whose behavior is undeniably different than multiple-sex-partner-seeking partygoers (regardless of sexual orientation)? Sorry. Perhaps I should have used the CDC’s description: “adult male participants.”  

But the CDC has long held a double-standard when it comes to health, as many  medical associations are proudly exhibiting today. The tragic abandonment of medical objectivity has been replaced by political subjectivity. Who benefits from the confusion of language, the denial of basic biology and the deflection of blame?

As a Christian, my heart breaks for those harmed by the world’s fake news, fake health and fake dignity. Love is Love? It’s great marketing, but only God is Love. And that truth is far more enduring than a hashtag sprinkled with broken and co-opted rainbows.  Love  lifts people out of their circumstances. Ill-defined “love” keeps people where they are and pretends there are no circumstances.

Years ago, when I started researching and reporting on America’s STD epidemic, I quickly noticed the CDC’s capitulation on basic medical facts. The agency’s  2012 report on exponential increases in STDs among homosexual men blamed the high rates of STDs on … homophobia.

So in a society that has radically increased its acceptance of all things LGBTQ, we’re supposed to believe that homophobia explains the increase in infection rates? Rates increased for heterosexuals, too, albeit at far lower numbers. Is that due to heterophobia? Or, could it possibly be personal behavior? As with the evangelists of critical race theory, someone else, some structure, some nebulous systemic evil is always to blame. Personal responsibility is anathema to those pushing poisonous political ideologies. 

The CDC continues to promote the “ homophobia ” narrative today as STD rates skyrocket across the country and disproportionately among homosexuals. In  2019 , homosexual males, although only a reported  2%  of the American male population, comprised 57% of all syphilis cases in the United States. Gonorrhea rates were 42 times higher among homosexual men than heterosexual men. But don’t worry. The CDC provided cover, saying: “however, increases in rates of reported gonorrhea among MSM (men who have sex with men) appear to have slowed in the past several years.”

Slowed? The rates are still  42 times higher . The CDC goes on to unmedically propagandize: “It is important to note that these disparities are unlikely explained by differences in sexual behavior.”


Oh. So, the sexual activities we engage in have zero bearing on our health outcomes and the demographic disparities that ensue? OK. Sounds very scientific. Why, then, does it matter how we choose to behave regarding COVID? Like STDs, the (inarguably politicized) coronavirus is highly transmissible. But it couldn’t possibly be our behavior that mitigates the spread. It couldn’t be that taking (realistic and evidence-based) precautions might avoid infections. 

Then how do you explain a Provincetown “outbreak” of COVID where 87% of the infected were male and 74% of the 469 reported cases were symptomatic and among the fully vaccinated? 

The CDC declares on its website that “when kissing or having sex … you are physically close to another person, which can put you in contact with respiratory droplets or saliva that spread the COVID-19 virus.”

The real news is how the CDC missed a golden opportunity to promote its obscured online message of monogamy and abstaining from sex with multiple partners or strangers to minimize risk of infection (which is good advice in or out of a pandemic). But that would be — what’s the word — factual. And we know how much fact-shaming is going around.


Obviously, they were social distancing and practicing safe pandemic protocols in a town in Barnstable County, Massachusetts (Insert eye roll).


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

As a Christian, my heart breaks for those harmed by the world’s fake news, fake health and fake dignity. Love is Love? It’s great marketing, but only God is Love. And that truth is far more enduring than a hashtag sprinkled with broken and co-opted rainbows.  Love  lifts people out of their circumstances. Ill-defined “love” keeps people where they are and pretends there are no circumstances.

Years ago, when I started researching and reporting on America’s STD epidemic, I quickly noticed the CDC’s capitulation on basic medical facts. The agency’s  2012 report on exponential increases in STDs among homosexual men blamed the high rates of STDs on … homophobia.

So in a society that has radically increased its acceptance of all things LGBTQ, we’re supposed to believe that homophobia explains the increase in infection rates? Rates increased for heterosexuals, too, albeit at far lower numbers. Is that due to heterophobia? Or, could it possibly be personal behavior? As with the evangelists of critical race theory, someone else, some structure, some nebulous systemic evil is always to blame. Personal responsibility is anathema to those pushing poisonous political ideologies. 

The CDC continues to promote the “ homophobia ” narrative today as STD rates skyrocket across the country and disproportionately among homosexuals. In  2019 , homosexual males, although only a reported  2%  of the American male population, comprised 57% of all syphilis cases in the United States. Gonorrhea rates were 42 times higher among homosexual men than heterosexual men. But don’t worry. The CDC provided cover, saying: “however, increases in rates of reported gonorrhea among MSM (men who have sex with men) appear to have slowed in the past several years.”

Slowed? The rates are still  42 times higher . The CDC goes on to unmedically propagandize: “It is important to note that these disparities are unlikely explained by differences in sexual behavior.”

Oh. So, the sexual activities we engage in have zero bearing on our health outcomes and the demographic disparities that ensue? OK. Sounds very scientific. Why, then, does it matter how we choose to behave regarding COVID? Like STDs, the (inarguably politicized) coronavirus is highly transmissible. But it couldn’t possibly be our behavior that mitigates the spread. It couldn’t be that taking (realistic and evidence-based) precautions might avoid infections. 

Then how do you explain a Provincetown “outbreak” of COVID where 87% of the infected were male and 74% of the 469 reported cases were symptomatic and among the fully vaccinated? 

The CDC declares on its website that “when kissing or having sex … you are physically close to another person, which can put you in contact with respiratory droplets or saliva that spread the COVID-19 virus.”

The real news is how the CDC missed a golden opportunity to promote its obscured online message of monogamy and abstaining from sex with multiple partners or strangers to minimize risk of infection (which is good advice in or out of a pandemic). But that would be — what’s the word — factual. And we know how much fact-shaming is going around.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    4 years ago

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1    4 years ago

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    4 years ago

So, according to your last meme, your own DNA isn't intact?  After all, you say you took the vaccine, but are not posting false anti-vaxx propaganda?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1    4 years ago

I didn’t get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine because it was developed with the destruction of human child embryos in the process.  While I did get vaccinated, I would never dream of making another person do do.  Persuade yes, compel no.  I also oppose the attempts to make the three common drugs above hard to find in this country.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    4 years ago

You're dodging the question regarding the vaccine, and all here can see it.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.2    4 years ago

I dodged nothing.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    4 years ago

Of course you did.  You posted a meme that implies that the vaccine changes your DNA.  You took the vaccine.  When called on it, you evaded.  Denying your evasion does not negate your evasion.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.5  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    4 years ago
I didn’t get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine because it was developed with the destruction of human child embryos in the process.

OK.

So let me ask you an entirely different question-- do you feel that your DNA is intact? Or that its been messed with by doctors and/or other healthcare workers?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.4    4 years ago

I have no idea what it does to it. At my age it seemed the least bad option.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.6    4 years ago

So, take it, but try to misinform others so that they don't take it.

Well done.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.8  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.7    4 years ago

another entry for the great commission's highlight reel...

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.9  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.6    4 years ago

There are science sites online that explain how the different vaccines work.

Seems a shame to protest something one is ignorant of. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.10  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @2.1.9    4 years ago
Seems a shame to protest something one is ignorant of. 

It also seems a shame to protest something one has done oneself.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @2.1.9    4 years ago

I’m not protesting it.  I simply support the rights of those that do to do so.  The main point was protesting the lack of availability of the three medications as therapeutics before and after the vaccine became available.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.12  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    4 years ago

I hate do do.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.12    4 years ago

So do I.  

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.14  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.11    4 years ago

OPINION: SAISD Rescind ALL COVID-Related Policies Immediately

Dear San Angelo ISD:

My name is Caleb Wallace. I write to you today regarding the school's decision to keep in place masks, and restrictions. The job you currently have I'm sure you chose it because you care about the kid's future. And you must have the understanding that when parents send their kids to school, they are placing a lot of trust in the drivers all the way up to you, to deliver the best quality of life and a place for them to grow. With your choice to take that on I commend you and the staff. Not a lot of folks have that courage.

But unfortunately, San Angelo ISD has defaulted on their end of the bargain. We are over a year when we were told "15 days to slow the spread". Now every child is subject to your administration's lack of understanding when it comes to the efficacy and morality of lockdowns and masking. In fact, Sweden just published a letter in the New England Journal of Medicine examined ~2 million school-age children (ages 1 to 16) from March through June 2020, where there was no masking or other mitigation efforts, and found just 15 children (0.00075%) required hospitalization from COVID-19, and there was not a single reported death. They also found no greater risk of serious infection among teacher than the general population, adjusting for other variables. 

A similar study in Norway found remarkably low transmission in schools, even though there is no recommendation to wear mask. About 81% of the COVID-related deaths in the U.S. are senior 65 and older. 96% are 50 and older. CDC now says 78% of hospitalizations are overweight obese people. It's been a year now and the very low risk for most still hasn't sunk in. COVID accounts for 208 death ages 0-17 of 36,203 since January 2020. Just Confirmed cases alone, CDC has over 2.5 million cases for 0-17. That lags behind and doesn't include the millions of asymptomatic infections that were likely never tested. Survival rate of 0-17 confirmed cases: 99.992%!!! 

With so few kids getting sick from this virus, and so little evidence that masks worked for anyone, why isn't your administration taking in the account the harmful effects of masking on children? Some of the side effects have been irritability, headaches, difficulty concentrating, decreased happiness, malaise, impaired learning, and fatigue.  What have been the benefits of lockdowns and masking? I say to you that there is ZERO benefit to this continued practice. 

Harvard University study observed the damage that can be caused by exposing them to endless fear and anxiety, "ensuring that young children have and, secure environments in which to grow, learn and develop healthy brains and bodies is not only good for the children themselves but also builds a strong foundation for thriving, prosperous society." Science shows that early exposure to circumstances that produce persistent fear and chronic anxiety can have lifelong consequences by disrupting the developing architecture of the brain." 

What you and your administration is doing would have been considered criminal 19 months ago. The Parker ISD TX, never issued any guidance or requirements on children, and yet they are reporting that their kids are thriving, and most kids are on track academically! No one was placed in mandatory quarantine. Homecoming still happened. Sports, concerts, and festivals still went on as usual. The superintendent Lance Johnson said "  it's real simple. We've just done it. It's not that difficult if you really put the needs of your kids first ." 

We are demanding that San Angelo ISD rescind ALL COVID-related policies immediately! Nothing less would be acceptable.  

Caleb Wallace 

West Texas Minutemen State Coordina tor 

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.15  CB  replied to  CB @2.1.14    4 years ago

UPDATE:

Caleb Wallace, anti-mask organizer and co-founder of the San Angelo Freedom Defenders, dies of COVID-19

by: Jeff Caldwell

Posted: Aug 28, 2021 / 06:31 PM CDT / Updated: Aug 29, 2021 / 04:29 PM CDT
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Caleb Wallace, the co-founder of the San Angelo Freedom Defenders and West Texas Minutemen State Coordinator has died from causes related to COVID-19, according to an update on gofundme by his wife, Jessica Wallace.

“Caleb has peacefully passed on. He will forever live in our hearts and minds❤️,” reads the most recent update on the campaign that was set up to help Wallace’s three children and his wife, a stay-at-home mother who is expecting a fourth child in late September.

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Sad news. Nobody wished this to happen to him or anybody else!

 
 
 
CB
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3  CB    4 years ago

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Let me get this straight, Jefferson. You do not want 'border-crossers from South of the Border or DACA recipients in the U.S.A.: Or you in support of Afghan refugees landing here in the thousands?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3    4 years ago

I hope most of the Afghans get resettled in other countries.  As long as those who come here are vetted and vaccinated one doze before arrival here I’m fine with them.  As to from south of the border the remain in Mexico will be a good first step to stopping the resettling of covid positive illegal aliens in red communities. No unvaccinated foreigner should be allowed entry into the USA.   

So why did the CDC hide the community and cause of the Massachusetts outbreak last month?  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.1  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    4 years ago

What the "h" are you asking me about Massachusetts outbreak? I wasn't there. And no one consulted or asked for my opinion about any of it. More to the point, I live in California and this is my first reading about it. My first thought would this:

Do tell Jefferson, you are implying you support same-sex monogamy and letting the sub-culture of male-male bonding fold in on itself?

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.2  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    4 years ago

So you are in support of vetted Afghans coming to the U.S.A. But some conservatives won't agree (vote) for a pathway to citizenship for DACA recipients. Why?

And why are you agreeing to compel Afghans coming to our country to get vaccinated; don't you politicize mandated jabs and masking all across the country?!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.2    4 years ago

I’m not one of them.  I favored the Trump compromise of giving outright citizenship to all original DACA recipients and the building of the border wall with its tech components.  I will favor that again.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.1    4 years ago

That is what the seeded article is actually about.  Did you read it or just look at the pictures in the posts below?  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.5  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.4    4 years ago

You want to talk about gay bear sex or just be salacious on NT? Where is your common decency? 'Queens' behind bushes and in stalls or hotel rooms rubbing 'parts' with hot oils and creams: I don't get down that way - never was into 'bears.'  You? Some conservatives probably could be tagged in videotape there. I can't prove it, but it is probably so. Remember Jerry Falwell Jr. and his "good fun" zipper moment that got him fired from Liberty University?

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.6  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.4    4 years ago

And what compelled you to put out memes you don't want mentioned?

Jefferson, you are implying you support same-sex monogamy and letting the sub-culture of male-male bonding fold in on itself?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.6    4 years ago

I’m not going to come out in favor of any sex act except between one man and one woman after their marriage to each other.  All other sex outside of that is sinful.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.5    4 years ago

Neither.  Simply calling out the CDC for its propaganda and for thinking it could mandate restrictions on the rest of us such as mask mandates on the vaccinated based on the massive breakthrough covid cases there that had another explanation 

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.9  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    4 years ago
No unvaccinated foreigner should be allowed entry into the USA.

Well, how about if they're unvaccinated-- but take Invermectin instead?

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.10  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.7    4 years ago

Then, what 'right' do you engage in whataboutisms with "bears" who you won't support finding and cultivating a life-long relationship sanctioned by civil laws?

Are you aware that in God's economy (of Heaven) there is no sexual appetites to express? (HINT: No flesh can enter the Kingdom of God!)

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.11  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.8    4 years ago

Those gay men were 'brought up' in a society that made them 'outlaws'-thus, generationally, a sub-culture exists. It will take as long as it does to diminish, and when it does mellow down and out it will not be because homosexuals have learned to marry heterosexuals, it will because their are positive reinforcements and benefits for them marrying each other!

As a result, this author and this seeder should not be a busy-body, looking to use one set of people as a foil for committing a separate class of sin: "Self-righteous"-ness.

The trick for you Jefferson, is to not have the "bears" go home more righteous than you and some conservatives who are 'found' wanting and judgemental over a great many things - while omitting a great many things within your sphere of control!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Krishna @3.1.9    4 years ago

No.  Ivermectin is only good for fighting covid after the fact.  No foreigners should be allowed into America without the vaccine.  No current covid positive foreigners either.  Only Biden is a stupid enough donkey to allow that.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.10    4 years ago

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CB
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3.1.14  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.13    4 years ago

Homosexuals have rights to enjoy this life same as you or me. So some conservatives are simply meddlesome busybodies who have a strong desire to be control freaks.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.15  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.12    4 years ago

Ivermectin has no effect on covid-19 before or after the fact. 

The only way it can cure one is to kill one. Same for the other two you listed.

But I encourage all Trump supporters to take all three of those "cures".

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.14    4 years ago

I stand by everything I said in 3.1.13.  Without exception.  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.17  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.16    4 years ago

Stubborn, eh? Uncompromising and insensitive. God is a great many things, the aforementioned, not so!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.17    4 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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3.1.19  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.14    4 years ago

All sinners have the free will right to willfully engage in acts that they know to be sin and wrong, no matter the temptation they are acting upon.  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.20  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.19    4 years ago

Well, what is your parties PROBLEM? Why so meddlesome all the times? Homosexuals are not political fodder to win (or lose) elections over. That's deceptive. Arguably, not Christ-like!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.20    4 years ago

Why are you conflating my political party position on an issue with my religious belief on an issue?  Like I said, there are gays who are politically conservative and Republican too.  I would have voted for one for governor of Ca. had Rick Grenell the former DNI chief and ambassador run.  He didn’t and Caitlin did.  Since Elder got into the race we will have our first African American governor instead.  
As to my religious objection to homosexuality and said marriages that is a literalist biblical values issue that I will never yield to the world on.  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.22  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.21    4 years ago
Why are you conflating my political party position on an issue with my religious belief on an issue.  As to my religious objection to homosexuality and said marriages that is a literalist biblical values issue that I will never yield to the world on.  

Speaks for itself!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.21    4 years ago
 I would have voted for one for governor of Ca. had Rick Grenell the former DNI chief and ambassador run.

BS, voting for a gay is condoning their valid existence and their valid lifestyle.

You can do neither according to your own postings

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.24  Split Personality  replied to  CB @3.1.22    4 years ago

Ding, ding, ding, ding !!!!

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.25  CB  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.23    4 years ago

It's incoherent. I saw that too. It exposes Jefferson as someone who only wants what some conservatives want irregardless of a display of lack of consistency! It is similar to those homosexuals desperately linking themselves to a political party that hates their 'power' and marginalize them to be acceptable (no identity value) in it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.26  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.16    4 years ago

Is that supposed to be significant to anyone?   I doubt anybody cares that you self-profess stubborness.

As to my religious objection to homosexuality and said marriages that is a literalist biblical values issue that I will never yield to the world on.  

Yeah, yeah, yeah    jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif    I think we all know that you will stick to your beliefs regardless of any facts to the contrary.   I also doubt anyone gives a shit having read the same crap now for years.   

Confirmation bias and uber-stubborn set-in-ways 'thinking' is truly the perfect cocktail for walking around believing more things that are false than are true.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.27  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.23    4 years ago

It depends.  Just like in 2016 when the choice was Trump vs Clinton there were enough issues, policies, and behaviors on her part that totally justified voting for Trump, had the man I mentioned actually ran I’d have to weigh him against Newscum and his heinous reign and open anti religion bigotry real behavior and action against an otherwise better choice other than the life style issue.  When all of us are fallen sinners and we have to make a choice between two or more flawed persons, it could be that Grenell is the better choice.  Fortunately it’s not an issue now and it’s an African American libertarian Republican that’s the better choice.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.28  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.22    4 years ago

No it doesn’t!  I have religious beliefs that come first in my life that take priority over my political viewpoints.  In a government that is set up to be secular operated by a religious people, there are times that on some issues a secular political coalition will include people who have different religious ideas than mine or none at all. That doesn’t mean that on key moral issues religious people can’t advocate for laws with their POV in mind or at least conscience clauses to protect the religious observances and free exercise there of from the majority or from other parts of society with different beliefs/ ideas.  

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.29  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.26    4 years ago

I don't know why you try sometimes...

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.30  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @3.1.29    4 years ago

Nonsense should yield criticism.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.31  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.30    4 years ago

Yes but does there come a time that the nonsense doesn't even deserve that.

Only feeding.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.32  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.26    4 years ago

There are no facts to the contrary to justify homosexual acts.  They were sinful 6,000 years ago, they are sinful now, and will be sinful as long as this world lasts to the end of time.  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.33  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.27    4 years ago
 When all of us are fallen sinners and we have to make a choice between two or more flawed persons, it could be that Grenell is the better choice.

Nope! It's incoherent. If we are all fallen sinners and you can choose a homosexual to lead a significant state house, but want nothing to do with the man or woman  spiritually or not wanting him or her dropping by your home for a 'social' visit—you're inconsistent. Even worse, a user.

More to the point: Some conservatives are not above using Larry Elder's blackness in an attempt to gain votes y'all are concerned otherwise would not come!  Wrong black man. Wrong challenger. Wrong recall.

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.34  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.28    4 years ago

It's manipulative. Funny you should mention "conscience." Trumpism operates conscience-less. It can not advance or get any traction if conscience is allowed. Compassion is not permitted either.

As for allowances, you and some conservatives want power, influence, and an over-abundance of freedoms and liberties, while you siphon off the rights and privileges of your fellow Americans. Even worse, you demonize, gaslight, and delude yourselves into believing that it is your right to 'monkey around' with the rights and privileges of others. That's filthy greed. It is not Christ-like at any juncture.

(Now, time for coffee!)

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.35  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.32    4 years ago

You can't get all Jewish people or Christians to agree with that statement. So, on what basis do you make it? If you are so hard-pressed to live the life of an Ancient Israelite or a First-century Christian—take a slow frigate back into time. Be my guess. Those sights and smells along the journey backward -might convince you of the error of living out of step with the world you are in presently.

As far as sinning goes, you still are a purveyor for the sin of lying and liars in the person of Donald Trump. It's inconsistent. It's self-righteous. It invalidates everything you write. It speaks volumes.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.36  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.32    4 years ago

That is just religious bigotry;  no reasoned consideration, just mindless acceptance of the mores & customs of ancient men.

To illustrate the absurdity of your position.   Slavery is okay per the Bible;  you okay with slavery?    God, per the Bible, certainly is.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.37  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.32    4 years ago

According to whom? Some ancient men with pens? And based on what rationale?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.38  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.36    4 years ago

Sin is sin is sin .  Past , present, and future.  Gods law doesn’t change just because mankind like in the days of Babel thinks we now know better than He.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.39  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.38    4 years ago

As usual you ignore the question and just blab away  jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif .    The question was:

TiG @ 3.1.36 Slavery is okay per the Bible;  you okay with slavery?

So, with this:

Gods law doesn’t change just because mankind like in the days of Babel thinks we now know better than He.

Slavery per your ' logic ' is okay.   See any fundamental problems with your reasoning?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.40  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.37    4 years ago

“Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.” (CCC 2357)

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A steady march of the sexual revolution into deeper and deeper confusion has left many Catholics and fellow Christians confused themselves. But there should be no confusion nor is there permissible dissent by any Catholic (lay or cleric) from Church teaching on human sexuality. Both Scripture and Church doctrine are very clear that all forms of illicit sexual union, whether adultery, fornication, or homosexual acts, are sinful and cannot in any way be approved.

Some Catholics formally dissent due to a knowing and willful rejection of Church teaching, but the dissent of others is due more to the confusion brought on by a loud culture and a quiet pulpit.

Particularly culpable is any deacon, priest, or bishop who spreads error either by direct statements, intentional ambiguity, or questionable policies that offer mercy without reference to the necessary repentance. Caring for all sinners is a constant work of the Church. All sinners deserve love and careful, respectful pastoral care. But calling good or insignificant what God calls sinful, whether by direct statement or obfuscation, is not pastoral care; it is malpractice. All of us, clergy and lay, are called to be God’s prophets, spreading His teaching; we do well to remember that one day we will have to account to Him.

I have written before on various aspects of the sexual confusion in our culture (e.g., fornication , adultery , contraception , transgenderism , the battle against lust , marriage, divorce and Holy Communion , and victims of the sexual revolution ). In today’s column, I focus particularly on God’s teaching regarding homosexual acts.

Tragically, in recent months, certain clergy have spread incomplete and sometimes patently false notions that such acts can be acceptable; they cannot.

Hence, I feel compelled once again to teach on this matter, reasserting Scripture and Church doctrine. The Scriptures are very clear by unambiguously and uncompromisingly describing homosexual activity as a serious sin and a moral disorder. Attempts by some to reinterpret Scripture to mean something else are fanciful at best. They typically present theories that require twisted logic and questionable historical views in order to set aside the very plain meaning of the texts.

I’d like to share a few of these biblical texts with you, but before doing I’d like to describe the context for this reflection and to make two very important clarifications.

Context - My reflections are directed to fellow Christians, hence I use Scripture as the main point of departure, as we should all share belief in the normative and authoritative status of God’s Word. In other settings, for example addressing the secular world, Natural Law arguments would be more suitable. But, here today, the Scriptures and Church teaching form the foundation. Catholics, who should accept that the Scriptures are inspired by God and unerringly teach on faith and morals, must have a clear, biblical understanding of the teaching lest we share in the widespread confusion in the world.

Clarification #1: It is homosexual activity that is condemned, not persons of homosexual orientation. Some individuals are attracted to members of the same sex. Why this is or how it comes to be is not fully understood, but it is, nonetheless, a struggle for some people. Because sexual orientation is not usually a matter of direct choice or even immediate control, it is not itself an object of moral condemnation. To be tempted to commit a sin does not make one evil or bad, or even guilty for that temptation. Rather, it is giving way to the temptation that makes one a sinner.

Many homosexual persons live chaste lives. Although tempted to commit homosexual acts, they do not do so. This is courageous, holy, and praiseworthy. Sadly, though, others with same-sex attraction not only commit the sin of homosexual activity, but openly flaunt it and dismiss biblical texts that clearly forbid it. We can only hope and pray for their conversion. However, we must distinguish between homosexual orientation and homosexual activity.

Clarification #2: We should not single out homosexual activity as though it were the only sexual sin condemned by God. Heterosexuals are also called to sexual purity. The same Bible which condemns homosexual activity also clearly condemns acts of fornication adultery. Scripture describes these as serious sins that can and do exclude people from the Kingdom of God and from Heaven ( cf Eph 5:5-7; Gal 5:16-21; Rev 21:5-8; Rev. 22:14-16; Mt. 15:19-20; 1 Cor 6:9-20; Col 3:5-6; 1 Thess 4:1-8; 1 Tim 1:8-11; Heb 13:4). Sadly, many people today live in open violation of biblical teaching. Many engage in premarital sex, saying it is all right because “everyone’s doing it.” This, like homosexual activity, is sinful and should be repented of at once.

Hence, homosexual activity is not singled out by the Bible or by Christians. Every human being, without exception, whether heterosexual or homosexual, is called to sexual purity , to chastity and self-control. Any violation of this is a sin. Put more positively, God’s command of chastity means that with God’s grace, sexual purity is possible for everyone. God empowers us to do what He commands!

With the context and these clarifications in mind, we can now turn our attention to the biblical teaching on homosexuality.

As stated above, the Bible clearly and unambiguously condemns homosexual acts. For example:

  1. You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination (Leviticus 18: 22).
  2. If a man lies with a male as with a female, both of them have committed an abomination (Lev 20:13).
  3. Likewise, the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah depicts, among other things, the sinfulness of homosexual activity. It is too lengthy to reproduce here in its entirety, but you can read about it in Genesis 19 . Some have tried to spread the error that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is merely about “hospitality,” and I have written on that subject here: The Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah . And let every Catholic note that the Catechism includes Genesis 19 in it scriptural notes on the biblical basis for forbidding homosexual acts.
  4. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them … in the things that have been made. So, they are without excuse; they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools … For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct (Romans 1:18ff).
  5. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanders nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9).
  6. The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, for those who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted (1 Timothy 1: 8-11).

Note that in many of these texts, homosexual activity is listed as one among other sexual offenses; it is not singled out. Here, then, is what the Bible teaches: homosexual activity is sinful, as are other sexual sins such as fornication and adultery. It is true that there are not a large number of texts speaking of homosexual activity, but whenever it is mentioned, it is clearly and uncompromisingly condemned. Further, this condemnation occurs at every stage of biblical revelation, right through to the end.

Some say that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Well, He never mentioned rape, or incest, or sexual abuse of minors either, and His “silence” in these matters should certainly not be taken as approval. Further, Jesus said that whoever hears His apostles hears Him (see Luke 10:16), and the Epistles of the Apostles clearly mention homosexual acts and exclude them along with fornication, adultery, and all sexual impurity….

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CB
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3.1.41  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.40    4 years ago
Clarification #1: It is homosexual activity that is condemned, not persons of homosexual orientation. Some individuals are attracted to members of the same sex. Why this is or how it comes to be is not fully understood, but it is, nonetheless, a struggle for some people. Because sexual orientation is not usually a matter of direct choice or even immediate control, it is not itself an object of moral condemnation. To be tempted to commit a sin does not make one evil or bad, or even guilty for that temptation. Rather, it is giving way to the temptation that makes one a sinner.

Many homosexual persons live chaste lives. Although tempted to commit homosexual acts, they do not do so. This is courageous, holy, and praiseworthy. Sadly, though, others with same-sex attraction not only commit the sin of homosexual activity, but openly flaunt it and dismiss biblical texts that clearly forbid it.

We can only hope and pray for their conversion. However, we must distinguish between homosexual orientation and homosexual activity.

(In blue.) I guess that makes me a "chaste" homosexual "courageous, set apart, and praiseworthy?  /s.

The problem I have with this 'dissertation' is it is likely coming from some 'guy' who is smart with words but not living under any passion for which he is pontificating.

Oh, and throwing up an image of what Jesus likely did not look like is a nice touch, but it conveys nothing to the substance of the message being delivered. It should be "X"ed out.  I am "pretty sure" Jesus did not look like this vain image. Though 'comforting' it is par and parcel a farce. (We have no true photo or genuine drawings of the real Jesus.)

Homosexuals in a church which does not want them there should leave that church. And seek a welcoming church. Or, just keep counsel and visitation with God in their own hearts and associations with others of like-mindedness.

It is enough to stop arguing with STRAIGHT Christians who can not tolerate the presence of active homosexuals, as if homosexuality is contagious. Enough begging to be "in" those groups of believers. Let them have their own churches. Go make 'room' for yourselves (in other or start your own churches. . . and vote accordingly!)

What is necessary is that homosexuals who live a chaste lifestyle choose to do so under their own power or through the leading of Spirit.

This is not a game.

Asking anybody to live a lifetime, counting day for day, in misery and loneliness and on the outside of society, is cold-bloodied doctrine that is unacceptable even when it uses "scented" word delivery.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.42  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.41    4 years ago

While I’m not a Catholic and disagree with them on several matters, when it comes to abortion and gay issues, they have it right.  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.43  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.42    4 years ago

Okay: Why?!  Your "exactly right" reply is found wanting!

Incidentally, do you disagree with Catholics on the use of images of divine beings? I ask this, because as you might eventually get around to understanding, had it been part of Jesus' mission to have the world know what he looked like in flesh, he would have commissioned a disciple to draw an illustration for all time. Jesus did not lack foresight! He did not do it.

So why do you have a fake image of a divine being in your comment?! Step up your spiritual development now!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.44  TᵢG  replied to  CB @3.1.43    4 years ago

IMO, all you will get is a declaration of "exactly right".    A cogent, rational personal explanation of why it is "exactly right" is almost assuredly not going to come.

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.45  CB  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.44    4 years ago

And yet it is some conservatives who say democrats are on a so-called, "plantation" mentality. Or, who delve into feelings too deeply. Jefferson is an embodiment of hodge-podge emotionally-charged thinking.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.46  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.42    4 years ago

Merely your opinion which lacks any rational explanation.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.47  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.46    4 years ago

My opinion is the very definition of rational explanation.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.49  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.48    4 years ago

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CB
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3.1.50  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.47    4 years ago

Says somebody who can't be bothered to explain why or how he forms opinions. I guess, you are just too busy with all the 'tending to' required on your multiple social media platforms.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.51  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.47    4 years ago

You didn't offer any rational explanation. Just an empty declaration. Try again!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.52  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.43    4 years ago

I have no objections to drawings of Jesus.  I do object to graven images in the form of icons and idols.  Those are in my opinion a violation of the 2nd commandment that is excluded from Catholic Bibles.  No one should worship or bow down to any graven image.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.53  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.52    4 years ago
I have no objections to drawings of Jesus.  I do object to graven images in the form of icons and idols.

What's the difference? One man's Jesus is another man's idol. And vice versa.

 No one should worship or bow down to any graven image.  

That's a matter of individual choice, now isn't it? Just as no one should worship or bow down before your god/Jesus if they choose not to.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.54  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.44    4 years ago

I’m not here to entertain the rationalizations of the committed anti theists here.  Since you are lost to any effort of persuasion there is no point debating or discussing any topic with them that could touch upon religion.  

  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.55  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.52    4 years ago

like the image of Donald Trump? /s

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.56  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.53    4 years ago

I’m not discussing religious theological differences among Christians such as CB and I might have with an atheist.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.57  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.45    4 years ago

Oh so we’re back on politics here. We don’t say democrats are on a plantation.  We say that the democrat party is the plantation.  We praise people who have traditionally been trapped there like myself and more lately who have walked away from it.  As to emotions, mine are in the broad mainstream of normal human emotions. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.58  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.54    4 years ago
Since you are lost to any effort of persuasion ...

You making claims is not the art of persuasion.   It is a blunt instrument based on beliefs sans (and in contradiction of) facts.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.59  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.50    4 years ago

I have been here since early 2015, Political forum since 2019, and newsvine since 2009-2015, MSN politics 2007-9 and AOL Politics boards since 1998-07 and expressed my opinions and beliefs and why I hold them enough times that no one needs them explained yet again.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.60  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.59    4 years ago

did you count yourself as your own (lone) follower in all those other places too?

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.61  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.52    4 years ago
No one should worship or bow down to any graven image.

unless, apparently for the last 41 years, that graven image is the leader of the republican party...

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.62  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.52    4 years ago
I have no objections to drawings of Jesus.

It's an icon and idol. Because you use it to console you. It is not Jesus; there is no image of Jesus fit to console you. You must object to it. But, you can't. You are 'grown' up on it. Time for some refreshing in the truth, Jefferson!

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.63  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.56    4 years ago

Perhaps because you can't provide a rational argument!

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.64  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.57    4 years ago
We don’t say democrats are on a plantation.  We say that the democrat party is the plantation.

Whatever that means. Even so I wrote, "on a so-called, 'plantation" mentality' which one can not literally be "on" so that is, well, understood.

Jefferson, some conservatives have aligned yourselves with an amoral political party guilty of repeated attempts and offenses of removing and erasing the rights and privileges of your fellow citizens to satisfy and satiate your own political appetites. The truth is not in some conservatives when you suggest or flatly state it is a model of Jesus, the Christ that some conservatives act out.

What are normal human emotions, anyway? Would you feel comfortable specifying them?

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.66  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.59    4 years ago

Please spare me the sanctimonious "cow patty." If you're tired of the art of opining: Just hang up your cleats, turn off the stage lights, call it a done deal, and retire your handle. Otherwise, if you want to be regarded as a serious thinker or 'robust' online character lackadaisical  lapseness simply won't measure up!!!

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.67  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.65    4 years ago

If you are about to waste time 'clockin whataboutisms' remember that's a tactic that expressly solves nothing. Liberal democrats in general want conservative republicans to adhere to compromise and be a part of a culturally inclusive U.S.A. dedicated to service of the nation and good stewards of our world. Right now, republicans are holding up divisive and combatic rhetoric as a new standard and dangerous health practices designed to fracture statecraft and cause distrust in career experts in all realms of professional life. That is bad.

Don't comprehend it that way? Then, begin to illustrate how republicans and conservatives can be more inclusive and less divisive and supply missing liberties and privileges to those who lack by commission or omission.

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.69  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.68    4 years ago
Okay. Now, are these the very same liberal Democrats in general who negotiated an infrastructure deal with conservative Republicans (compromising) and who later on decided that was way too much bipartisanship and placed demands separate from the negotiated settlement?

A vague reference. Let's not waste time on some insignificant point! You offer a claim: Validate your claim.

And:

Prove liberal democrats do not want to be a part of a culturally inclusive U.S.A. dedicated to service of the nation and good stewards of our world.

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.70  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.68    4 years ago
To address that, I will need to know what liberties and privileges you are referring to specifically.

Try this current 'event on for size: A liberty of abortion rights removed for women and girls in Texas for all intents and purposes, and a privilege of not mandating some rapist's  spawn be carried to term-especially without the 'pleasure' of making said rapist officially daddy for life.

Not remotely on topic here, but you asked! Maybe Jefferson will indulge you (and obliquely me) in a mutually shared political demand.

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.74  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.72    4 years ago

Of course, I have heard of the "infrastructure bill" and its adjacent ("human infrastructure)  bill. So why did you not pony up the second bill along with the first in your comment from the beginning. After-all this is digital 'ink' anyway and you were typing already.

We have a bi-partisan bill voted and passed out of the senate and appropriately Nancy Pelosi can run her 'house' any way she wishes irrespective of conservative 'beef' over it.  So miss me with your cow patty.

@3.1.68  Prove liberal democrats do not want to be a part of a culturally inclusive U.S.A. dedicated to service of the nation and good stewards of our world.

Deal with my quote you 'pulled' out for discussion or drop out of discussion with me!

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.76  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.75    4 years ago

IMPASSE.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.77  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.66    4 years ago

Sorry but there is nothing about your theology or ideology that I or my moral and ideological values can buy into.  Feel free to disagree as it’s a free country but I’m not going to buy into the idea that we can know something is wrong, do it anyway because if feels good, deny that it was ever wrong in the first place, and expect God to be ok with it.  

 
 
 
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3.1.78  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.71    4 years ago

Read the seeded article.  It’s all there.  Bear week and off the charts breakthrough covid cases among the vaccinated as a result of behaviors.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.79  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.75    4 years ago

I think it’s time to ask for his 🏳now.  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.80  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.77    4 years ago

You don't know Jack remember? So how would you know it "feels good"? Careful, let's you share too much.

And, God certainly does not like fake Christians or those who think they are "suchy much" that they can hold a fake worldview that God needs them/him/her to solve issues of the Cosmos.

And of all the dumb ass characters in this 'universe' some conservatives could have submitted as a choice for God's 'hope' for humanity y'all chose/choose Donald J. Trump?! God ain't with Donald J. Trump and that some conservatives are not discerning of that is disturbing. But, carry on. I would love to be there when the scales fall from y'all's eyes.

Donald J. Trump can't believe his 'luck.' A whole party falling for his grand delusion as a 'strong man.' Donald Trump: A man's man.—NOT!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.81  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.80    4 years ago

Trump was a far better choice than either Hillary or creepy Joe!  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.82  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.81    4 years ago

Donald J. Trump is a disloyal citizen aberration of the U.S. of A.  An amoral man. How can some conservatives support that and be moral? Are y;all conflicted at least? Consciences seared?

 
 
 
CB
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4  CB    4 years ago
So in a society that has radically increased its acceptance of all things LGBTQ, we’re supposed to believe that homophobia explains the increase in infection rates? Rates increased for heterosexuals, too, albeit at far lower numbers. Is that due to heterophobia? Or, could it possibly be personal behavior? As with the evangelists of critical race theory, someone else, some structure, some nebulous systemic evil is always to blame. Personal responsibility is anathema to those pushing poisonous political ideologies.

First, your report is from 2012. Note that. Got more up to date figures? Second, some conservatives and conservatives have been messing with Blacks and homosexuals all their generations. And, sitting on your white privilege to develop in a mainline culture and enjoy few impediments (which some conservatives incessantly gripe and moan are being stripped from them simply because they can't control other groups like the good old days), you have your wives and children and wealth to fall back on in old age. While you work tirelessly to reconstitute the subcultures Blacks and homosexuals are just recently managing to dig themselves out of!

Of course, Blacks are 'ass-backwards' as a collective. Conservatives are presently continuing the mission to see to that. Albeit, Blacks are incrementally getting more of their due. Of course, homosexuals had no approved sexual 'outlet' that society as a whole permitted until recently. The sub-culture existed to sneak around and be promiscuous. Marriage was not an option recognized by the state for homosexuals. Thus, in lieu, 'playing the field' was all that was left to men who sought to be with other men.

Let's 'roll' Jefferson. If you really want to talk about 'it' bring it on.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @4    4 years ago

You realize that there are conservatives among both the Black and the Gay populations in this country. 

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.1  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    4 years ago

Yes! And you say that to 'dispel' or establish what?  Please elaborate. (As, I also realize that there are 'black' Trumps in this country. Let's start with California candidate for recall Gov: Larry Elder.)

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @4.1.1    4 years ago

You are the one who made a sweeping generalization of conservatives so I simply pointed out that we are not monolithic and are inclusive having both demographics among us.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @4.1.1    4 years ago

Our next governor that I voted for along with yes on the recall.  Still have to drop it off at the local county election office since I’ll be out of town Election Day. 

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.4  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.2    4 years ago

Are Senator Tim Cotton and former HUD Secretary Ben Carlson (two Black conservatives, I suppose heterosexuals) for or against same sex marriages? Do you know?

Do I have to run down a list of black (some) conservatives checking their position on homosexual marriage for you (I wouldn't do it anyway)?

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.5  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.3    4 years ago

I voted No on the recall. Larry Elder can pack sand as far as I am concerned. I didn't like him from way-back. You can have him-especially away from the governor's office. I sure hope democrats don't fall for . . . him. Hmph!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @4.1.5    4 years ago

Democrats would have to vote yes on the recall in order to have a vote on the replacement.  State Sen. Gaines and Assemblyman Kiley are from Jefferson territory east of Sacramento and I like them but I went with Elder.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @4.1.4    4 years ago

Sen. Cotton is white.  Sen. Tim Scott (South Carolina) is African American. Don’t forget Clarence Thomas of the Supreme Court, congressmen Burgess Owens Utah and Byron Donalds of Florida come to mind.  

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.8  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.7    4 years ago

For or against same sex marriages? Do you know?

Thanks for the name check! Senator Tim Scott.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @4.1.8    4 years ago

Far more African Americans are more opposed to gay marriage than Caucasian Americans are.  

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.10  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.9    4 years ago

'Sweep' around your own front door. My 'door' accepts people where they are as long as it causes no harm to another.  Do what you can to be a good person in your own right. Get that part right and you won't have to be pointing fingers at the masses of others who need to get it together for themselves. That is, you are individually responsible for being a meddlesome busy-body.

For or against same sex marriages? Do you know?

You know Scott and Carlson-'party platformers' are both against same-sex marriage. You don't have to divulge it if you don't want. I will just presume it.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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5  SteevieGee    4 years ago

So...  If, as you've said, you're vaccinated and advocate vaccination, why do you continue to post this crap?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  SteevieGee @5    4 years ago

It’s not crap.  It’s about an outbreak of and among the fully vaccinated that was caused by dangerous behavior anytime much less during a pandemic.  Where else besides a multi person week long sexual orgy have we seen this kind of outbreak among the vaccinated.  What happened here can not be used by government as a tool or excuse to try to control or limit the freedom of the rest of us.  

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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5.1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1    4 years ago

When stupid people do stupid stuff it's bad for all of us.  You so desperately want to point out that the government isn't calling gay people out by name that you can't resist the temptation to post this drivel.  The real question should be what can we do about it?  How do we get more shots into more arms?  Disparaging the CDC and posting memes implying that vaccines somehow alter our DNA certainly doesn't help.  You proudly call yourself a Christian but you are working on the side of evil with this crap.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  SteevieGee @5.1.1    4 years ago

Almost all these orgy participants had both jabs and got covid anyway.  

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.3  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.2    4 years ago
Almost all these orgy participants had both jabs and got covid anyway.  

These homosexuals did not get the virus from vaccinations; they got it from unvaccinated folks 'blended' into the venue. Not hard to do! Blend in, that is. And yes, I'd imagine the same happens in heterosexual 'blending' venues too. That is, unvaccinated people are involved.

 
 
 
Freefaller
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6  Freefaller    4 years ago

Lol well given your expertise and experience in pushing your own propaganda I guess we'll have to let you have this one.....Nah let's not.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Freefaller @6    4 years ago

That you consider people who express views similar to mine as propaganda is not my issue.  

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
6.1.1  Freefaller  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1    4 years ago

Nice strawman but my post had nothing to do with others, just you.  Thanks for continuing to entertain us

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Living a healthy literalist Christian lifestyle is the surest way for the vaccinated to stay safe through the pandemic and life in general.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7    4 years ago

How so?  Do Christians wear masks in crowds, as directed by the Bible?

Do they avoid crowds, because Jesus told them to do so?

Is a crowded church somehow exempt from the spread of pathogens?

 
 
 
CB
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7.2  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7    4 years ago

Do you live a literalist Christian lifestyle or do you support a 'superior' attitude and forsaking humility? As if God can not see what is really in the heart!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @7.2    4 years ago

I do not believe that following the Bible literally as we believe we are is a “superior” attitude nor is it “forsaking” humanity.  Quite the opposite.  Christians are called to missions beyond the great commission as part of it.  To witness to others by alleviating human suffering with food banks, aid to the poor, sheltering the homeless, ministering to those in prison/jail, provide medical clinics and hospitals, educate in areas that can change lives, provide disaster relief, water, economic micro loans, lifting people up everywhere.  These works are far more effective than preaching alone.  We are part of this world now but we are to live lives apart from it.  Many churches members have left the biggest cities except the most committed and dedicated determined to witness through the above there. God does see what is on the heart.  

 
 
 
CB
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7.2.2  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.2.1    4 years ago
God does see what is on the heart.  

And how are you living apart from the world, when you support manipulative and coercive politics and policies to disadvantage people's rights to vote expansion? How are you supporting alleviating human suffering when you support politics and policies which leave DACA recipients (who only know and love this country above all other lands) without a certain future in this country? How are you sheltering the homeless when you support politics and policies which will make million more homeless idue to conservative opposition to congressional action to keep people safe with a roof over their heads during a continuing pandemic?

Finally, God does see what is in the heart of Donald Trump: And, you can see what Donald 's actions are! Yet, here you are stubbornly supporting that disruptive man for a 'repeat.'

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @7.2.2    4 years ago

I will not be questioned as to the content of my heart or the value of what I do or contribute to to help others by any other mortal.  The fact that my political opinions are what they are and different does not lessen the value of what others receive as a result of my efforts or contributions.  

 
 
 
CB
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7.2.4  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.2.3    4 years ago

Yeah, that's full of bully patty! Some conservatives can be questioned just like anybody else. Retreating to a "self-righteous" safe space when some conservatives can't cope with reality or truth is trying to find their disaffected consciences won't work. Truth is going to find you out. God knows some conservatives are meddlesome, busy-bodies misappropriating truth for their own selfish purposes! And as to "mortals" being able to convey something to you; get over it. Mere mortals are all you got to communicate with in these trying times.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @7.2.4    4 years ago
Mere mortals are all you got to communicate with in these trying times.

These are very trying times made more so by the secular progressive left and blue city and blue State Orwellian dystopia.  As to communicating, we can commune with God.  He’s who gets us through trying times. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
7.2.6  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.2.5    4 years ago

God is Spirit. Have you figured out (yet) that spirit has no gender you are equipped to name at-known discuss? Bible says: God is not a man.that God should lie. . . Donald Trump is a man and a brazen liar; you willingly commune with him.

 
 

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