Supreme Court Abortion Hearing Was 'Wall-to-Wall Disaster' for Pro-Choicers: Expert

  
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Supreme Court Abortion Hearing Was 'Wall-to-Wall Disaster' for Pro-Choicers: Expert
Chief Justice John Roberts asserted that Mississippi's 15-week ban is similar to the laws in "the vast majority of other countries." Apparently referencing the United States' liberal abortion laws – which allow abortion through all nine months of pregnancy – Roberts said, "We share that standard with the People's Republic of China and North Korea."

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This could be great news.  The evil that is roe vs Wade could finally be excised from our national conscience. What a day of rejoicing that will be!  My fear is that they will only allow Mississippi law and leave it at that.  Please Supreme Court, overturn the whole of roe vs Wade leaving not so much as one stone standing upon another of that disgrace to humanity.  


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Supreme Court Abortion Hearing Was 'Wall-to-Wall Disaster' for Pro-Choicers: Expert



Legal observers within the pro-life community expressed cautious optimism Wednesday after the U.S. Supreme Court heard the most significant abortion case in decades and multiple justices indicated an openness to overturning or at least gutting Roe v. Wade.

The case involves a Mississippi law that prohibits abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy except in situations of medical emergencies and fetal abnormality. Under the legal framework of Roe and its companion decisions, such a law is unconstitutional.

It was the first abortion-related case heard by the court since the conservative bloc grew from five justices to six with the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett.

"It is hard to see how pro-lifers could be more optimistic about how this argument went," said Dan McLaughlin , a former attorney and a senior writer at National Review. But he cautioned: "We've had the football pulled away from us before in big cases, so take all of that with a grain of salt."

During oral arguments Wednesday, Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart urged the justices to overturn Roe and return the issue back to the states.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a member of the conservative bloc, repeatedly recited a pro-life position by saying the "Constitution is neither pro-life nor pro-choice on the question of abortion" and thus the issue "should be left to the people, to the states or to Congress." The Constitution, Kavanaugh said in seemingly approving the argument, is "neutral" on abortion.

Chief Justice John Roberts asserted that Mississippi's 15-week ban is similar to the laws in "the vast majority of other countries." Apparently referencing the United States' liberal abortion laws – which allow abortion through all nine months of pregnancy – Roberts said, "We share that standard with the People's Republic of China and North Korea."

Barrett spoke approvingly of infant safe haven laws, which allow a pregnant mother to abandon an unwanted baby at a safe location without facing criminal charges. Barrett noted that opponents of the Mississippi law say they're concerned about the "consequences of parenting and the obligations of motherhood that flow from pregnancy" if the law stands.

"Why don't the safe haven laws take care of that problem?" Barrett asked.

Other members of the court's conservative bloc – including Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito – also asked questions friendly to Mississippi.

Stewart referenced Plessy v. Ferguson, the 1896 Supreme Court decision that upheld state-level segregation laws. It was overturned by the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision.

"Our constitution neither knows nor tolerates distinctions on the basis of race," Stewart said. "It took 58 years for this court to recognize the truth of those realities in a decision. And that was the greatest decision that this court ever reached. We're running on 50 years of Roe. It is an egregiously wrong decision that has inflicted tremendous damage on our country and will continue to do so and take innumerable human lives unless and until this court overrules it."

It would take five votes on the nine-member court to uphold the Mississippi law and/or to overturn Roe.

"Nothing from Justices Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, or Barrett set off any alarm bells in my mind," said Ed Whelan , referencing five members of the conservative bloc. Whelan is a distinguished senior fellow for the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

Roberts, Whelan said, "seemed to be searching for a middle ground that would enable him to vote in favor of the Mississippi 15-week ban" without overturning Roe.

"Big picture: Kavanaugh+4 very interested in overturning Roe," wrote John McCormack of National Review. "Roberts very interested in upholding Mississippi law without overturning Roe."

Legal experts from the center and the left also said the arguments went well for pro-lifers.

"If you believe that women should have the right to choose abortion, today's Supreme Court argument was a wall-to-wall disaster," tweeted CNN legal expert Jeffrey Toobin.

The case is Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    8 months ago
Stewart referenced Plessy v Ferguson, the 1896 Supreme Court decision that upheld state-level segregation laws. 

We're running on 50 years of Roe. It is an egregiously wrong decision that has inflicted tremendous damage on our country and will continue to do so and take innumerable human lives unless and until this court overrules it

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/14716/supreme-court-abortion-hearing-was-wall-to-wall-disaster-for-pro-choicers-expert
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    8 months ago
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1    8 months ago

No women are like, this is my body, my choice; the important word here is CHOICE. We are not handmaidens and this is NOT a liberal issue, it is a women's issue.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.1    8 months ago

it's a non-secular issue in a secular america. I'm happy that a rwnj SCOTUS is juggling this time bomb right before the midterms. this issue and the insurrection making their way thru the judicial system is the perfect storm that the DNC needs to capitalize on for the midterms. both issues clearly illustrate how republicans actually feel about individual liberty and our constitution.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.1    8 months ago

And pro life women are going to prevail to some extent or another on this issue.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    8 months ago

We are taking the issue to the Supreme Court on the science and technology of determining when life begins, the heart beat, the pain threshold, the 3D and 4D ultrasound imaging.  We are going to make science the enemy of abortion or at least 2nd half term abortion depending on the court.  Not one mention of God.  We intend to make science your arch enemy on the human life  issue.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.5  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.4    8 months ago

science in the hands of thumpers would be like giving a monkey a hand grenade.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @1.1.5    8 months ago

I guess sweeping generalizations simply don’t apply when favored progressives target believers with such nonsense and bigotry.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2  Ronin2    8 months ago

I wouldn't start counting the chickens before they are hatched in this case.

While I think that the Mississippi law will be upheld. Only a very small portion of Roe will be overturned; and states will once again be allowed to set abortion laws and regulations.

Roberts still has a lot of pull as the head of the Supreme Court; and he is more concerned about the court's image than the Constitution- he has proven that repeatedly. I look for him to swing two of the conservative justices into backing his ruling- the liberal judges would be foolish not to back Roberts decision no matter how much they detest it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @2    8 months ago

The country is not going to have mish mashed abortion laws willy nilly across the land. 

What will happen is that banning abortion anywhere will spark widespread social unrest and eventually Congress will pass a constitutional law upholding abortion rights. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    8 months ago

A constitutional law requires 2/3 of both houses and ratification of 3/4 of the states.  There are all sorts of laws that are left up to the states in this country.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    8 months ago

The country is not going to have mish mashed abortion laws willy nilly across the land. 

that would be crazy, like we live in federal system.  Much better to force everyone to conform to one standard and damn diversity.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.3  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.2    8 months ago

As far as healthcare is concerned, yes.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.2    8 months ago

You want everyone within a gerrymandered red state to conform dont you?

Can someone in Texas or Alabama say "I dont want to conform" with an abortion ban?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.4    8 months ago

nt everyone within a gerrymandered red state to conform dont you?

States aren't gerrymandered. 

meone in Texas or Alabama say "I dont want to conform" with an abortion ban

Sure, and they can elect people to make that happen.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.4    8 months ago

As if the blue states are not equally Gerrymandered including your own state…

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @2.1.3    8 months ago

Pre born babies should have health care and a universal right to life. 

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.8  Ender  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.7    8 months ago

So when was the last time you gave birth?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.9  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    8 months ago

So in other another typical day for leftist lunatics to riot, loot, and destroy. 

They need to be met with the same amount of physical force and judicial letter of the law that the Jan 6th rioters are facing. If Garland can look past his own political bias long enough to enforce the law equally. So far he has failed miserably.

Congress will do jack shit of nothing like it always does. Or in case you hadn't noticed- immigration reform, border control, or anything else that means something. Both sides will accuse the other; ratchet of the hate and malice of their followers and split this country further.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  Ender @2.1.3    8 months ago

Much like federal voting laws- time to tell the left and Democrats to kiss off again.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.11  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.10    8 months ago

women should take a page from the republican playbook and just tell them to fuck off.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @2.1.3    8 months ago

Health care for the pre born child?  I’m all for it.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @2.1.11    8 months ago

Which women?  Pro life women will prevail or at least win something out of the decision 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.14  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.13    8 months ago
Pro life women will prevail or at least win something out of the decision 

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devangelical
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2.1.15  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @2.1.14    8 months ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.7    8 months ago
Pre born babies should have health care and a universal right to life. 

Expectant mothers should have health care and a universal right to life. See, I fixed that for you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.17  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    8 months ago
What will happen is that banning abortion anywhere will spark widespread social unrest and eventually Congress will pass a constitutional law upholding abortion rights. 

You mean the Court bows to (progressive) social unrest?

Aren't they supposed to follow the Constitution?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.17    8 months ago

They are threatening violence if they don’t get their way?

hmm…

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.18    8 months ago

Hum....Like an insurrection! (or as Biden calls it "an erection!")

It's all about threats from the left.

Will we ever forget when then Senate minority leader Schumer stirred up the mob outside the Supreme Court, threatening Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh: “I want to tell you, Gorsuch. I want to tell you, Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price.”  “You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.16    8 months ago

No you overwrote my words and superimposed your own in their place.  Nothing more nothing less.  Can’t wait for 30, June 2022!  Then both the expectant mother and the baby will get health care and life.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.18    8 months ago

It’s what the progressive left does. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @2.1.11    8 months ago
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XXJefferson51
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2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ronin2 @2    8 months ago

I suspect deep down that you are right. Particularly about Roberts.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    8 months ago

It wouldn’t surprise me if Robert creates some sort of new standard that upholds the Mississippi  law,  something along the lines of a rational basis test after the first trimester. I will be curious to see If he can find a second vote that keeps the court short of a majority for full repeal.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    8 months ago

Banning all post 1st trimester abortions for other than life of the mother or severe quality of life affecting deformities would  be progress but more is in reach here.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    8 months ago

Roberts like incremental solutions.  I think he will do his best to obtain one, but I don't know if he can find a second vote.   Just my speculation. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    8 months ago

It might actually be better to taper an incremental solution if one can be found and enough progress for life is made to justify a decent compromise most pro life people can live with in the interim.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2  Ronin2  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    8 months ago

Agreed, Roberts is going to look to pull one of the conservative justices to his side. As I stated he is far more concerned with how the court is viewed than with the Constitution. He was not the best choice to lead the Supreme Court.

If I had to guess he is going to work on Kavanaugh; who I am sure is still smarting after being driven through the muck by Democrats and the media during his confirmation. Some behind the scenes arm twisting about the image of the court, how media and the left will portray Kavanaugh and how it will affect his family.

Frankly I am shocked the conservative judges haven't been receiving death threats- not that I trust our not so intelligent agencies to let anyone know if they were. Pretty sure the main stream media wouldn't care enough to report it either.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2    8 months ago

If I had to guess he is going to work on Kavanaugh

I agree. Their votes been the Most aligned of the “conservative” justices.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.1    8 months ago

I agree.  Kavanaugh is the most like Roberts of the three non liberals on the court.  

 
 

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