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Antifa is the militant wing of the Democrat Party

  
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Antifa is the militant wing of the Democrat Party
Today, the military wing of the left is Antifa, short for “antifascist.” The name itself is in keeping with the radical left ploys by seizing control of the language and naming things incorrectly so as to mask the true mission. If one compares the tactics used by Antifa at its various riots, vandalism, beatings and intimidations, there is no significant difference between them and the havoc wreaked by the Brown Shirts that hastened the rise of the Nazi Party in post-World War I Germany.

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The Antifa terrorism entered a new phase last weekend when a 69-year-old man attacked an immigration detention facility in Tacoma, Wash. His weapons consisted of incendiary devices and a rifle. After setting a car afire, he was shot dead by police. He had a history of Antifa sympathizing and sent several “farewell” letters to friends anticipating being killed in his planned attack.

Let’s put this into context.

After the Civil War, the Democratic Party developed a military wing. It was and still is called the Ku Klux Klan. As most terror organizations, it was formed to achieve a political outcome. At that time, its mission was to ensure that then-freed black slaves could not vote or exercise all the rights of citizenship.

Today, the military wing of the left is Antifa, short for “antifascist.” The name itself is in keeping with the radical left ploys by seizing control of the language and naming things incorrectly so as to mask the true mission.

If one compares the tactics used by Antifa at its various riots, vandalism, beatings and intimidations, there is no significant difference between them and the havoc wreaked by the Brown Shirts that hastened the rise of the Nazi Party in post-World War I Germany.

I know that there will be those who say that an argument is lost when the words “Nazi” or “Hitler” are used. This is true when they are used as name-calling epithets; however, the purpose of this column is to point out the tactics being used by Antifa leftists and that the comparison made to Brown Shirts is valid.

Also keep in mind that “Nazi” is the acronym for the German name for National Socialist Party, which Adolph Hitler came to control.

So, the irony is now that the Socialist rioters are claiming to be against what they actually are: Fascists.

It has been pointed out by many of my friends that the Antifa actions have not been taking place here in Texas. There is a clear reason for that.

In every case of a major Antifa riot, the police were ordered to stand down and allow the rioters to run rampant. Millions of dollars of property damage were incurred as well and very serious injuries. Also, these earlier riots occurred in states with draconian gun control that gave the advantage to the criminals. When common self-defense is outlawed the politicians can control who does what to whom. The likelihood of this sort of lawlessness happening in Texas is far less than the liberal pits of California, Oregon, Washington and Chicago.

We don’t stand for having our businesses looted and destroyed, our private property burned, and law-abiding citizens terrorized.

Some months ago, we observed interstate highways being blocked by hooded Antifa thugs. What few people noticed is that the blocked traffic had actually created a kill zone, a classic military ambush. So far, there were no gunmen to mow down stranded motorists. But trained military personnel recognized it for what it was: practice.

The danger we face as Americans is complacency. All threats made by Antifa, or any other terrorist organization, must be analyzed, treated seriously, and have countermeasures taken. This is difficult with Democrat control of so many “sanctuary” cities and states. These are the kitchens in which domestic socialist terrorism is prepared.

The mainstream news media appears to play down the riots and the motivations of those involved. Imagine, hooded hoodlums actually being held up and praised for their actions and intimidations.

This failure to uphold the law by politicrats is inexcusable. The liberals and socialists who control ruined pockets of America are pushing the envelop in an effort to explore where Antifa will be most successful in producing their desired political outcome.

It could very well be that a superior and opposite force mounted by peace-loving Americans – possibly federal forces — may be required to restore the rule of law and eradicate this cancerous socialist movement and its bullies.

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Bob Nelson
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2  Bob Nelson    7 years ago

The Ku Klux Klan is the militant wing of the Republic Party

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    7 years ago

Your "statement" is Cognitive Dissonance at its best.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.2.1  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2    7 years ago

Cognitive Dissonance is an impaired mental state resulting from holding two or more incompatible belief systems simultaneously. So, how in fuck do you figure Bob is suffering from cognitive dissonance? White Supremacy is entirely compatible with Trump and Trumpism. They are practically the same thing. It seems you are the one with fucked contrary beliefs. It is best to know what words mean before abusing them. It does not make you look, um, smart. Decrying racism while supporting Trump? That IS, by the dictionary definition, "Cognitive Dissonance". The kind that makes you KRAZY!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @2.2.1    7 years ago
Cognitive Dissonance is an impaired mental state resulting from holding two or more incompatible belief systems simultaneously.

Thank you for explaining that to those who didn't know.  

So, how in fuck do you figure Bob is suffering from cognitive dissonance? 

The same way I figure YOU are suffering from it. How I figure it is right there in the definition.   

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    7 years ago

You can use google to not only find images and attach your own (false) narrative, but did you know, you can also use it to find the origins of the KKK?  You should try it.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
3  tomwcraig    7 years ago

Ku Klux Klan was created by Democrats.

The current version of Antifa was created by Democrats.

Both organizations use force to try to get people to behave the way the leaders of the Democratic Party wanted.  Democrats in positions of leadership hemmed and hawed about condemning both organizations, and in reality many openly supported these two groups.  Only through pressure being brought upon the Democratic leadership has any condemnation of these organizations occurred.  Oregon is finally thinking about enacting a law that would punish people whom wear masks when protesting.  However, the Portland mayor tends to avoid any questions about holding Antifa and its membership accountable for their violence, even after a Conservative reporter was assaulted to the point of having to spend time in the hospital.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  tomwcraig @3    7 years ago

Could you cite an example of deadly violence from the American left, please?

Then I will cite you a hundred times as many deaths perpetrated from the right.

It is a simple fact: terrorist murder is  done by the right, not the left.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
3.1.1  tomwcraig  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1    7 years ago

You sure?  Because I can name one group that actually started wildfires in the name of the environment that was a leftist organization: Earth Liberation Front and that is right off the top of my head.  In truth, more deadly violence actually occurs from Leftist groups than from the Right.  Most people on the Right don't believe in marching in lockstep or acting as a group, since the Right are about PERSONAL responsibility and PERSONAL improvement.  The Leftists are all about massing in a group, or do you forget the violent protests that occur just about every G20 or G8 meeting since 1980?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  tomwcraig @3.1.1    7 years ago
You sure?

Yes. Very sure:

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The extremist-related murders in 2018 were overwhelmingly linked to right-wing extremists. Every one of the perpetrators had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently switched to supporting Islamist extremism. White supremacists were responsible for the great majority of the killings, which is typically the case.
 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
3.1.3  tomwcraig  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.2    7 years ago

Funny, I remember many of those attacks, and most of the original reporting was about right-wing extremism, but then as evidence was collected the actual facts showed either mental instability and the person committing the crime was acting on their own, or evidence that the person was actually a leftist.  And, the ADL while doing a lot of good is a bit on the Leftist side and not really a true neutral observer so, their definition of right-wing extremism might be anything to the right of Bill Clinton or anything to the right of Bernie Sanders for all I know.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  tomwcraig @3.1.3    7 years ago

Just ignore any unpleasant reality.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.5  Ronin2  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1    7 years ago

Give Antifa time, they are still figuring things out. 

The simple fact is the left is full of shit making excuses for their new militant branch.

"They haven't killed anyone, yet."

What a crock of shit.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.5    7 years ago

The right murders people. The left does not.

Not rocket science.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.2    7 years ago

Please state the source of what you posted above.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.8  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.6    7 years ago
The right murders people. The left does not. Not rocket science.

You might want to qualify that statement, because history tells us the extreme left is responsible for 10s of millions of more murders than the extreme right in the last century on a global scale.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.6    7 years ago

Nice tie in to the 1984 seed. Fine example of Big Brother at work. Simple, false statements repeated over and over. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.11  dave-2693993  replied to    7 years ago

Unfortunately, I have first person accounts of my grandfather coming home from school one day to find the brains of all his extended family members scattered all of the walls of the house. 

Extremists.

This stuff is always from extremists, one way or the other.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.7    7 years ago

It's a link.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.7    7 years ago

Never mind thank you, I looked it up for myself. Jewish Anti Defamation League. No surprise there.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.14  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.8    7 years ago
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Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.13    7 years ago

Can't belive those Jews!

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.16  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.14    7 years ago
OK. The American right murders people. The American left does not

Interesting.

You don't think the union guys ever murdered anybody do you?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.14    7 years ago

Except the American left has.

In recent years alone, Multiple cop killings. Killing an abortion protestor. Race based killings of whites. Same as "right wing" violence.

Luckily, leftwing murderers often fail to actually kill anyone, despite their best efforts.  Somehow Bob thinks this exculpates them.  The Family Research council terrorist attack, the Baseball shooting, the occupy bombings, the Antifa attacks on a journalist, the Antifa firebombing of an immigration family etc etc.. 

Bob never explains how their incompetence makes them less guilty.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.18  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.16    7 years ago

Jimmy Hoffa? You know where the body is?

More seriously... would you really dare claim that among the dead in the labor battles around 1900 there were more bosses than workers?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.20  Bob Nelson  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @3.1.19    7 years ago

From your link:

The suspect also said he was not affiliated with any groups and stated that he acted alone

So why are you citing the case here?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.22  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.18    7 years ago
More seriously... would you really dare claim that among the dead in the labor battles around 1900 there were more bosses than workers?

Okay, this is another one of those X turns into Y things.

Help me with this:

How did you interpret:

You don't think the union guys ever murdered anybody do you?

to imply what ever caused you to formulate what you posed, which I quoted above?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.23  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.22    7 years ago

Around 1900, unions were trying to organize, and company enforcers were trying to stop them. Hundreds of workers died. A few enforcers died. No bosses died.

I consider the dead workers to be "left" and the not-dead bosses to be "right".

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.24  Sean Treacy  replied to    7 years ago

There are a lot of fucked up individuals out there who, for whatever reason take their warped sense of justification to perpetrate unspeakable and inexcusable acts. Tragic.

I completely agree with that. But if racist killings "count" in this exercise, they all count. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.20    7 years ago
So why are you citing the case here?

Why do you cite Dylan Roof as "right wing" violence? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.25    7 years ago

How many liberals or left wingers pose for pictures with the confederate flag? 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.27  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.23    7 years ago

I see, so you are discounting the union bosses and the workers who did not want to unionize.

BTW, those battles continued way past 1900.

My dear old grand father was full of history. I don't need google for this and many other lessons from the 20th century.

Many people were in his position or similar. The unions came in as a legalized form of extortion and they would literally kill you if you did not join. You know, like the mafia?

They tried to kill him. He was a survivor he came out on top. The same can not be said for many.

Yes, union bosses put hits on people. Did you know that?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.28  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.26    7 years ago

He acted alone and was not a part of a group.

Per Bob, that disqualifies his attack as counting as political violence. Personally, I think that's silly, but Bob needs ridiculous definitions to try and support his ridiculous claim that the Left has Never killed anyone.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.29  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.27    7 years ago
Yes, union bosses put hits on people. Did you know that?

Sure. But if you look into it, you'll find the score is pretty lopsided.

It was quite a long time ago, so I'm more concerned by modern violence.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.30  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.14    7 years ago

President Kennedy, the weathermen right up through killing cops today. There's been left wing killings throughout the lives of everyone on this board. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.31  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.28    7 years ago

You have a human garbage fire as a candidate and leader. The only way he can possible get re-elected is if he can convince enough people that communists and violent socialists are breathing down their throat. 

Thus this ridiculous faux threat from "antifa", a group with just about zero national presence. I guess there are a few action photos though, so better to make them the boogeyman than the Communist Party. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.33  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.29    7 years ago
Sure. But if you look into it, you'll find the score is pretty lopsided. It was quite a long time ago, so I'm more concerned by modern violence.

How can you say it is lopsided and how can you say it was restricted to the early 20th century?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.34  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.30    7 years ago

Interesting that you don't present any statistics. Interesting that you don't even present many credible particular cases.

Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat...

Maybe somebody will think you have something to say...

When you get to the point where you deny that Dylann Roof's murders were right-wing terrorism, Sean... you've sunk about as far as a person can sink.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.36  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.33    7 years ago

Look, Dave...

If you're interested, I'm sure a few minutes with Google will give you everything you need.

I know as much as I need about that period, so I'll leave you to it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.37  Bob Nelson  replied to    7 years ago

That’s just pitiful, Wally.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.38  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.29    7 years ago

Seriously, the mafia has never killed anybody, have they?

Part of OCGS' mission involves combating the infiltration by organized criminal groups of labor unions, employer organizations and their affiliated employee benefit plans in the private sector of the economy.  Historically, elements of organized criminal groups referred to as La Cosa Nostra (LCN ) or the "Mafia" gained substantial corrupt influence, and even control in some instances, over labor unions by creating a climate of fear and intimidation among their members by threats and acts of violence.  Through such domination, these criminal groups were able to place their associates in key official positions with various unions and in other positions of influence and to thereby exploit the unions and the employers which dealt with such unions and derive illegal proceeds from the operation of the unions' affairs and labor-management relations.  See, President's Commission on Organized Crime (PCOC), The Edge: Organized Crime, Business and labor Unions (U.S. G.P.O. Washington, DC 1986) at 1-32.  The PCOC specifically concluded that the LCN had for decades controlled and corruptly influenced certain major labor unions in the United States, including "the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT), the Laborers International Union of North American (LIUNA), the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees International Union (HEREIU), and the International Longshoreman's Association (ILA)."    Id.   at 4.

In accordance with the PCOC's recommendations, the Department of Justice's Organized Crime and Racketeering Section, working with various United States Attorneys' Offices, devised a strategy to use criminal prosecution and civil RICO lawsuits to eliminate such corrupt influence and/or control of particular labor unions and their affiliated organizations.  As of 2010, the United States had obtained relief in 24 civil RICO cases involving employer associations and labor unions including the IBT, LIUNA and the HEREIU.  Such relief has generally consisted of the appointment of court-approved monitors to oversee the operation of particular organizations, supervise the election of new officers, and discipline or expel officials and members for corruption or knowing association with organized criminal groups.  The results of the Department of Justice's strategy in 23 of the civil RICO cases can be reviewed on   Civil RICO Manual Appendix B   (starting on page 343 of the pdf).  The implementation of that strategy continues under the guidance of OCGS' Labor-Management Racketeering Unit which supports federal criminal prosecution and civil RICO litigation in cases involving labor-management relations, internal labor union affairs, and the operation of employee pension and health care plans in the private sector.

Updated May 26, 2015
 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.39  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.36    7 years ago
Look, Dave...

If you're interested, I'm sure a few minutes with Google will give you everything you need.

I know as much as I need about that period, so I'll leave you to it.

Sorry Bob, even google is not on your side of the discussion.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.41  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.36    7 years ago
I know as much as I need about that period, so I'll leave you to it.

Just like you were unwilling to talk about the Russian Revolution.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.42  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.39    7 years ago

There are no "sides", when events are far enough back in history. There are facts. They are what they are.

Those facts are pretty well accepted - much harder  to deny than current facts.

Do  as you please.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.43  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.41    7 years ago

WTF?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.44  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.42    7 years ago
Those facts are pretty well accepted - much harder  to deny than current facts

I didn't realize something from the Justice department from 2015 was that far back in the past...???

I'll post it again for you.

Seriously, the mafia has never killed anybody, have they?

Part of OCGS' mission involves combating the infiltration by organized criminal groups of labor unions, employer organizations and their affiliated employee benefit plans in the private sector of the economy.    Historically, elements of organized criminal groups referred to as La Cosa Nostra (LCN ) or the "Mafia" gained substantial corrupt influence, and even control in some instances, over labor unions by creating a climate of fear and intimidation among their members by threats and   acts of violence.    Through such domination, these criminal groups were able to place their associates in key official positions with various unions and in other positions of influence and to thereby exploit the unions and the employers which dealt with such unions and derive illegal proceeds from the operation of the unions' affairs and labor-management relations.  See, President's Commission on Organized Crime (PCOC), The Edge: Organized Crime, Business and labor Unions (U.S. G.P.O. Washington, DC 1986) at 1-32.  The PCOC specifically concluded that the LCN had for decades controlled and corruptly influenced certain major labor unions in the United States, including "the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT), the Laborers International Union of North American (LIUNA), the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees International Union (HEREIU), and the International Longshoreman's Association (ILA)."    Id.   at 4.

In accordance with the PCOC's recommendations, the Department of Justice's Organized Crime and Racketeering Section, working with various United States Attorneys' Offices, devised a strategy to use criminal prosecution and civil RICO lawsuits to eliminate such corrupt influence and/or control of particular labor unions and their affiliated organizations.  As of 2010, the United States had obtained relief in 24 civil RICO cases involving employer associations and labor unions including the IBT, LIUNA and the HEREIU.  Such relief has generally consisted of the appointment of court-approved monitors to oversee the operation of particular organizations, supervise the election of new officers, and discipline or expel officials and members for corruption or knowing association with organized criminal groups.  The results of the Department of Justice's strategy in 23 of the civil RICO cases can be reviewed on   Civil RICO Manual Appendix B   (starting on page 343 of the pdf).  The implementation of that strategy continues under the guidance of OCGS' Labor-Management Racketeering Unit which supports federal criminal prosecution and civil RICO litigation in cases involving labor-management relations, internal labor union affairs, and the operation of employee pension and health care plans in the private sector.

Updated May 26, 2015
 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.45  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.44    7 years ago

Why are you trolling me, Dave?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.46  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.45    7 years ago

Since when is a counter argument trolling?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.47  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.46    7 years ago

This isn't the first time.

Why, Dave?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.49  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.34    7 years ago
present any statistics. Interesting that you don't even present many credible particular cases

you claimed no one has been killed by the American left. Do you even understand your own statements? I don't need "many" examples to prove you are telling a falsehood.  Judging by this boards demographics, its readers entire lives are filled with left wing killings of Americans, starting with President Kennedy. To claim the left wing doesn't kill anyone is gaslighting of the highest magnitude. 

Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repea

Yes, I've already pointed out how you've adopted Bib Brother's approach to history. Did you consciously set out to mimic the style or was it organic?

e point where you deny that Dylann Roof's murders were right-wing terrorism, Sean. ou've sunk about as far as a person can sink

Pathetic Bob. I know you can read at the level of a fourth grader. So I know you understand what "Per Bob, that disqualifies his attack as counting as political violence. Personally, I think that's silly," means. I applied your argument that acting alone and not being a member of a group somehow means it wasn't political terrorism and applied it to Dylan Roof.

Going forward, try and maintain some some semblance of  intellectual integrity and apply your standards to both sides of a debate. Don't stoop to deliberately misinterpreting what I wrote because you can't defend your own crackpot argument. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.51  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.49    7 years ago

Dodging and weaving, Sean...

I presented data. So... you could the same. Not complicated.

Not complicated... unless you have no data to present.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.52  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.47    7 years ago

You are right in that this is not the first time I have disagreed with one of your statements.

Why do I disagree? Because history tells me your statements are and were wrong.

Do you disagree with the statement from the Department of Justice as of 2015?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.53  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.51    7 years ago

Don't want to address your Dylan Roof absurdity? Can't blame you there. 

I presented data. 

What data? An absurd conclusion? I, and others, have provided plenty of examples. Start with the Dallas BLM shooting and explain how that isn't left wing murder while Roof's shooting is right wing murder.  Better yet, start with Kennedy and we will make our way forward in time. 

Here's the thing. I know, you know, and everyone reading this site knows, you can't defend your claim that the left doesn't murder people unless you qualify the argument with absurdities. So let's see those absurdities, starting with your explanation of how Kennedy was't a left wing murder. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.57  dave-2693993  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.54    7 years ago
Your usual nonsense and lies dave about the left killing 10s of millions of people.  Bullshit

Read up on Lenin, Stalin and Mao...just for starters.

100 million people in the last century.

Tess sorry, you can not re-write my family history.

Go stick your head in the sand.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.59  dave-2693993  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.58    7 years ago
Again nonsense and total bullshit

Ignorance is bliss to you, I see.

Point taken.

Now, prove history is bullshit.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.63  dave-2693993  replied to    7 years ago
That can’t be right, they seem so miserable most of the time.

I'll be honest and this applies to HA as well, I am not very happy with either side of our current political situation.

To be honest, I have very good friends who lean to the left, many here who I consider good friends who I would go to war with and trust them to watch my back.

JMO, there is a finer granularity we need to start recognizing.

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
3.1.65  TTGA  replied to    7 years ago
People who two years ago were going to leave the country if trump won are now outraged he told them they can leave.

That's definitely a good one Loki.  About as funny as they come.  Only thing I don't like about it is that I didn't think of it first.jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.67  dave-2693993  replied to    7 years ago
I’m the same, friends  all across the spectrum, I don’t post much but the hair on fire posting is entertaining. 4 years ago the roles were reversed but the posting is the same.

Bingo!!!

Pretty much what I see too.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
3.1.68  tomwcraig  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.4    7 years ago

I am not ignoring the reality.  The reality is that ALL of the recent shootings since at least the Roseburg, OR (Umpqua Community College) shooting has been originally claimed as "right-wing extremist" but then after the investigations were corrected to being "single person with mental issues" or "single person whom is actually a leftist".  But, do groups like the Anti-Defamation League or SPLC actually correct their data to reflect the actual findings of the investigations?  No, they are lazy and keep the original claim instead of reflecting the actual facts.  That makes them unreliable as sources since they do not keep accurate information and use that flawed information as the basis of their conclusions.  That makes their conclusions unreliable.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.69  Bob Nelson  replied to  tomwcraig @3.1.68    7 years ago

Tom,

Please check your information before posting. It saves time for others. If you want to use an incident (the Umpqua shooting) please check to see that it is pertinent.

The ADL study is "Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2018". The Umpqua shooting was in 2015.

If you want to make a case concerning the Umpqua shooting, you'll need clippings from 2015, illustrating whatever it is you wish to prove.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
3.1.73  KDMichigan  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.72    7 years ago

To funny.

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
3.1.74  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.70    7 years ago
Proof that the anti-fascists have killed anyone?

I don't think that they have, not for lack of trying mind you but alas they are failures in that just like they are everything else in life.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
3.1.77  tomwcraig  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.69    7 years ago

How about you remember what this discussion is about.  It is about groups, since Antifa is a group.  Most of the so-called "Right-wing violence" were single people later deemed to be either mentally unstable or actual left-wingers.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
3.1.80  tomwcraig  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.70    7 years ago

They have come close to killing a journalist in the past month.  In fact, they hit him in the head with a "milkshake" made up of concrete.  That is at the very least assault with a deadly weapon.  There was video released that showed this journalist walking away from Antifa with a bloody head.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.1.86  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.79    7 years ago
Of course you have proof to back up your nonsense. 

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Being anti-fascist is noble, being part of the anarchist group who covers their faces so they can hide while committing acts of violence or vandalism is just being a piece of crap person not much better than the fascist Nazi's they're trying to supposedly punch, though admittedly they haven't taken any lives which does put them a bit above the right wing murderous fascists who killed at least 50 people last year in the US. I am anti-fascist, but I have no affiliation to 'Antifa' and neither does the Democrat party. To claim anything different is a baseless smear from worthless liars who have to invent crimes to blame on Democrats and liberals to justify their bitter vitriolic hate.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.88  Bob Nelson  replied to  tomwcraig @3.1.77    7 years ago
Most of the so-called "Right-wing violence" were single people later deemed to be either mentally unstable or actual left-wingers.

Is that the official bullet point? That same sentence, word for word, has appeared elsewhere.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.90  Bob Nelson  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.1.89    7 years ago

I've read that talking point before, did you copy that word for word?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.91  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.87    7 years ago

What proof do you have they were? Works both ways.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.1.92  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.88    7 years ago
Is that the official bullet point? That same sentence, word for word, has appeared elsewhere.

It's the common defense of conservatives when trying to deflect from the dozens and dozens of people murdered by right wing extremists. All they have is to point at anonymous 'antifa' who virtually every Democrat, liberal and progressive has denounced and condemned as an attempt to deflect from all the right wing violence. They are essentially giving aid and comfort to terrorists by claiming all those right wing extremists are just crazy even though the trail to of their radicalization is easily deciphered and most have admitted they were radicalized by right wing propaganda and murdered people because of the bitter hate they embraced from right wing media such that they hated Muslims, liberals and minorities enough to shoot, stab or attack them with their vehicles.

I also find many religious conservatives display an enormous amount of hypocrisy by proclaiming loudly that people are innocent until proven guilty when it comes to a Republican who has been accused of dozens of sexual assaults or even campaign finance fraud or insider trading. But when it comes to those they consider on the "left", they're all apparently guilty of crimes they haven't even committed, because they believe it's only a matter of time with the ever elusive "yet" being thrown in. I'd love to see some conservatives get in front of a judge and make their case. "Your honor, we have these folk here, not sure who they are because they have masks on, but we're pretty sure they're "leftists", and we need to sentence them to life in prison." to which the judge replies "Well, what did they do?" … "Well, there were a couple of guys in masks who got violent and beat a guy up" … "Okay, arrest those guys and put them in prison and let all these other folk go home." … "But your honor, I think they should all go to prison as well. They are all evil leftists and it's true, they haven't committed any other crimes, yet... but how do we know they won't do something terrible in the future?".

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
3.1.94  KDMichigan  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.92    7 years ago

Left wing mass murderers...

Douglas Williams

Seung – Hui Cho

Jared Lee Loughner

James Holmes

Andrew Engeldinger

Adam Lanza

Omar Mateen

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.95  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.92    7 years ago
an enormous amount of hypocrisy

I'm afraid that hypocrisy is the defining aspect of conservative discourse today. I have tried, over and over, to get our conservative members to present their policy ideas. They apparently have none.

All they have is attacks on adversaries.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.96  Bob Nelson  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.94    7 years ago

Not one of them.

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dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.98  dave-2693993  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.71    7 years ago
Your 'version' of history is total bullshit. 

Hmmmm? Interesting.

Funny how University of Hawaii (hawaii.edu) pretty muct tells the same story as I do.

Note that I completed this study in November 1993 while still engaged in collecting democide data. Not all the democide totals I mention here may be complete, therefore. For final figures on communist megamurderers, see my summary  Table 1.2   in my  Death by Government . For all final estimates, see the summary  table   in  Statistics of Democide

With the passing of communism into history as an ideological alternative to democracy it is time to do some accounting of its human costs.

Few would deny any longer that communism--Marxism-Leninism and its variants--meant in practice bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal gulags and forced labor, fatal deportations, man-made famines, extrajudicial executions and show trials, and genocide. It is also widely known that as a result millions of innocent people have been murdered in cold blood. Yet there has been virtually no concentrated statistical work on what this total might be.

For about eight years I have been sifting through thousands of sources trying to determine the extent of democide (genocide and mass murder) in this century. As a result of that effort **  I am able to give some conservative figures on what is an unrivaled communist hecatomb, and to compare this to overall world totals.

First, however, I should clarify the term  democide . It means for governments what murder means for an individual under municipal law. It is the premeditated killing of a person in cold blood, or causing the death of a person through reckless and wanton disregard for their life. Thus, a government incarcerating people in a prison under such deadly conditions that they die in a few years is murder by the state--democide--as would parents letting a child die from malnutrition and exposure be murder. So would government forced labor that kills a person within months or a couple of years be murder. So would government created famines that then are ignored or knowingly aggravated by government action be murder of those who starve to death. And obviously, extrajudicial executions, death by torture, government massacres, and all genocidal killing be murder. However, judicial executions for crimes that internationally would be considered capital offenses, such as for murder or treason (as long as it is clear that these are not fabricated for the purpose of executing the accused, as in communist show trials), are not democide. Nor is democide the killing of enemy soldiers in combat or of armed rebels, nor of noncombatants as a result of military action against military targets.

With this understanding of democide,  Table 1  lists all communist governments that have committed any form of democide and gives their estimated total domestic and foreign democide and its annual rate (the percent of a government's domestic population murdered per year). It also shows the total for communist guerrillas (including quasi-governments, as of the Mao soviets in China prior to the communist victory in 1949) and the world total for all governments and guerillas (including such quasi-governments as of the White Armies during the Russian civil war in 1917-1922).  Figure 1 graphs the communist megamurderers and compares this to the communist and world totals.

Of course, eventhough systematically determined and calculated, all these figures and their graph are only rough approximations. Even were we to have total access to all communist archives we still would not be able to calculate precisely how many the communists murdered. Consider that even in spite of the archival statistics and detailed reports of survivors, the best experts still disagree by over 40 percent on the total number of Jews killed by the Nazis. We cannot expect near this accuracy for the victims of communism. We can, however, get a probable order of magnitude and a relative approximation of these deaths within a most likely range. And that is what the figures in  Table 1  are meant to be. Their apparent precision is only due to the total for most communist governments being the summation of dozens of subtotals (as of forced labor deaths each year) and calculations (as in extrapolating scholarly estimates of executions or massacres).

With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.

Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1.

In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.

Figure 2  shows the major sources of death for those murdered under communism and compares this to world totals for each source for this century. A few of these sources require some clarification. Deaths through government  terrorism  means the killing of specific individuals by assassination, extrajudicial executions, torture, beatings, and such.  Massacre , on the other hand, means the indiscriminate mass killing of people, as in soldiers machine gunning demonstrators, or entering a village and killing all of its inhabitants. As used here,  genocide  is the killing of people because of their ethnicity, race, religion, or language. And democide through  deportation  is the killing of people during their forced mass transportation to distant regions and their death as a direct result, such as through starvation or exposure.  Democidal famine  is that which is purposely caused or aggravated by government or which is knowingly ignored and aid to its victims is withheld.

As can be seen in the figure, communist forced labor was particularly deadly. It not only accounts for most deaths under communism, but is close to the world total, which also includes colonial forced labor deaths (as in German, Portuguese, and Spanish colonies). Communists also committed genocide, to be sure, but only near half of the world total. Communists are much less disposed to massacre then were many other noncommunist governments (such as the Japanese military during World War II, or the Nationalist Chinese government from 1928 to 1949). As can be seen from the comparative total for terrorism, communists were much more discriminating in their killing overall, even to the extent in the Soviet Union, communist China, and Vietnam, at least, of using a quota system. Top officials would order local officials to kill a certain number of "enemies of the people," "rightists", or "tyrants".

How can we understand all this killing by communists? It is the marriage of an absolutist ideology with the absolute power. Communists believed that they knew the truth, absolutely. They believed that they knew through Marxism what would bring about the greatest human welfare and happiness. And they believed that power, the dictatorship of the proletariat, must be used to tear down the old feudal or capitalist order and rebuild society and culture to realize this utopia. Nothing must stand in the way of its achievement. Government--the Communist Party--was thus above any law. All institutions, cultural norms, traditions, and sentiments were expendable. And the people were as though lumber and bricks, to be used in building the new world.

Constructing this utopia was seen as though a war on poverty, exploitation, imperialism, and inequality. And for the greater good, as in a real war, people are killed. And thus this war for the communist utopia had its necessary enemy casualties, the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, wreckers, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, rich, landlords, and noncombatants that unfortunately got caught in the battle. In a war millions may die, but the cause may be well justified, as in the defeat of Hitler and an utterly racist Nazism. And to many communists, the cause of a communist utopia was such as to justify all the deaths. The irony of this is that communism in practice, even after decades of total control, did not improve the lot of the average person, but usually made their living conditions worse than before the revolution. It is not by chance that the greatest famines have occurred within the Soviet Union (about 5,000,000 dead during 1921-23 and 7,000,000 from 1932-3) and communist China (about 27,000,000 dead from 1959-61). In total almost 55,000,000 people died in various communist famines and associated diseases, a little over 10,000,000 of them from democidal famine. This is as though the total population of Turkey, Iran, or Thailand had been completely wiped out. And that something like 35,000,000 people fled communist countries as refugees, as though the countries of Argentina or Columbia had been totally emptied of all their people, was an unparalleled vote against the utopian pretensions of Marxism-Leninism.

But communists could not be wrong. After all, their knowledge was scientific, based on historical materialism, an understanding of the dialectical process in nature and human society, and a materialist (and thus realistic) view of nature. Marx has shown empirically where society has been and why, and he and his interpreters proved that it was destined for a communist end. No one could prevent this, but only stand in the way and delay it at the cost of more human misery. Those who disagreed with this world view and even with some of the proper interpretations of Marx and Lenin were, without a scintilla of doubt, wrong. After all, did not Marx or Lenin or Stalin or Mao say that. . . . In other words, communism was like a fanatical religion. It had its revealed text and chief interpreters. It had its priests and their ritualistic prose with all the answers. It had a heaven, and the proper behavior to reach it. It had its appeal to faith. And it had its crusade against nonbelievers.

What made this secular religion so utterly lethal was its seizure of all the state's instrument of force and coercion and their immediate use to destroy or control all independent sources of power, such as the church, the professions, private businesses, schools, and, of course, the family. The result is what we see in  Table 1 .

But communism does not stand alone in such mass murder. We do have the example of Nazi Germany, which may have itself murdered some 20,000,000 Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Yugoslaves, Frenchmen, and other nationalities. Then there is the Nationalist government of China under Chiang Kai-shek, which murdered near 10,000,000 Chinese from 1928 to 1949, and the Japanese militarists who murdered almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Indochinese, Koreans, Filipinos, and others during world War II. And then we have the 1,000,000 or more Bengalis and Hindus killed in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 1971 by the Pakistan military. Nor should we forget the mass expulsion of ethnic Germans and German citizens from Eastern Europe at the end of World War II, particularly by the Polish government as it seized the German Eastern Territories, killing perhaps over 1,000,000 of them. Nor should we ignore the 1,000,000 plus deaths in Mexico from 1900 to 1920, many of these poor Indians and peasants being killed by forced labor on barbaric haciendas. And one could go on and on to detail various kinds of noncommunist democide.

But what connects them all is this. As a government's power is more unrestrained, as its power reaches into all the corners of culture and society, and as it is less democratic, then the more likely it is to kill its own citizens. There is more than a correlation here. As totalitarian power increases, democide multiplies until it curves sharply upward when totalitarianism is near absolute. As a governing elite has the power to do whatever it wants, whether to satisfy its most personal desires, to pursue what it believes is right and true, it may do so whatever the cost in lives. In this case power is the necessary condition for mass murder. Once an elite have it, other causes and conditions can operated to bring about the immediate genocide, terrorism, massacres, or whatever killing an elite feels is warranted.

Finally, at the extreme of totalitarian power we have the greatest extreme of democide. Communist governments have almost without exception wielded the most absolute power and their greatest killing (such as during Stalin's reign or the height of Mao's power) has taken place when they have been in their own history most totalitarian. As most communist governments underwent increasing liberalization and a loosening of centralized power in the 1960s through the 1980s, the pace of killing dropped off sharply.

Communism has been the greatest social engineering experiment we have ever seen. It failed utterly and in doing so it killed over 100,000,000 men, women, and children, not to mention the near 30,000,000 of its subjects that died in its often aggressive wars and the rebellions it provoked. But there is a larger lesson to be learned from this horrendous sacrifice to one ideology. That is that no one can be trusted with power. The more power the center has to impose the beliefs of an ideological or religious elite or impose the whims of a dictator, the more likely human lives are to be sacrificed. This is but one reason, but perhaps the most important one, for fostering liberal democracy.


NOTES

* Unpublished essay, November 1993.
** Note as of 1998: the case studies resulting from that effort were published in  Death By Government ; the statistics and statistical analyses are in  Statistics of Democide .
 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
3.1.99  KDMichigan  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.96    7 years ago
Not one of them.

Everyone of them a registered Democrat. 

Spin it how you like.

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
3.1.100  Don Overton  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.8    7 years ago

Moving the goal post; one of the rights favorite tactics to avoid not having anything but lies

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
3.1.101  Don Overton  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.94    7 years ago

Not even lose KD

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.1.102  dave-2693993  replied to  Don Overton @3.1.100    7 years ago
Moving the goal post; one of the rights favorite tactics to avoid not having anything but lies

Please tell me which goal post was moved?

Now, since you are another one who like to invent what other people are thinking, tell me who I am supporting for 2020?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.2  cjcold  replied to  tomwcraig @3    7 years ago
Ku Klux Klan was created by Democrats.

Southern democrats had nothing in common with modern liberals. The old Southern democrats are the new Trumpian republicans. Fascism and racism are not liberal ideals.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  cjcold @3.2    7 years ago

They know the facts, cj... But their Ministry of Truth has dictated the history which they must believe. Facts are far less important than beliefs.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
3.2.2  tomwcraig  replied to  cjcold @3.2    7 years ago

Funny, since Robert Byrd was a high ranking member of the Ku Klux Klan and was embraced by Barack Obama as well as Bill Clinton.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  tomwcraig @3.2.2    7 years ago
Funny, since Robert Byrd was a high ranking member of the Ku Klux Klan and was embraced by Barack Obama as well as Bill Clinton

What's funny about a former bigot admitting his wrongs and apologizing then spending the rest of his life trying to correct the wrong he made against people of color?

"the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the NAACP's position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently." [74] Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda ".

I assume you've heard of that guy Saul of Tarsus right? You might just want to look him up if you haven't.

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
3.3  Don Overton  replied to  tomwcraig @3    7 years ago

Tom it would be nice if you would learn some actual history and facts instead of what fox brainwashes you with

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  JohnRussell    7 years ago
Antifa Is The Militant Wing Of The Democrat Party

There is no "Democrat" Party, there is the Democratic Party. When someone misuses the word Democrat, as so many of them do now, you know you are either dealing with dimwit, or someone who intentionally tries to say the word wrong as some sort of bizarre right wing mantra. 

The reason for all this "antifa" business in right wing media is simple. They know they have a horrible human being leading them and the only way to make Trump remotely palatable is to try and muddy up the other side. So we hear about communism and antifa. Can accusations of cannibalism by the Democrat Party be far behind? 

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
Freshman Silent
5  The Old Breed Marine    7 years ago

Didn't a crazed Lefty try to murder a whole group of GOP politicians while they practiced for a softball game?

You don't hear too much about that, but it was probably one of the worst acts of political violence in a few decades...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  The Old Breed Marine @5    7 years ago
... probably one of the worst acts of political violence in a few decades...

Are you saying that attempted mayhem from the left is worse than actual murder from the right?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
5.1.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    7 years ago

Maybe you are not aware but communism is considered to be on the left and the Chinese murder more of their own people than all other countries combined.

According to the report , released on Thursday, China implemented “more death sentences than the rest of the world combined”. Amnesty believes thousands of executions and death sentences occurred in 2017 in China, where they are considered a state secret.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1.1    7 years ago
 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
Freshman Silent
5.1.3  The Old Breed Marine  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    7 years ago

"attempted mayhem"? It was an attempt at mass murder for a political purpose. Show me the right-wing equivalent.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    7 years ago

"attempted Mayhem"

More Orwell. Love it. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  The Old Breed Marine @5.1.3    7 years ago

OK, "attempted murder" . The key word being "attempted".

You apparently missed this .

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.6    7 years ago

Attempted murder is worse than actual murder?

Wow  jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1.10  Bob Nelson  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.8    7 years ago

Amazing. You ignore actual murders - dead people - while spotlighting non-deadly incidents.

All violence is condemnable, but don't you think deadly violence is worse than non-deadly?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1.13  Bob Nelson  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.11    7 years ago
You are the only one ignoring dead people.

What dead people? That's the point: there are dead people due to right-wing violence, but there are no dead people due to left-wing violence.

... and thus the squiming...

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
Freshman Silent
5.1.15  The Old Breed Marine  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.7    7 years ago

What makes it so notably terrible is that it was the attempted assassination of a whole group of Elected and Serving members of Congress. Once again, show me the right-wing equivalent?

There isn't one.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.16  JohnRussell  replied to  The Old Breed Marine @5.1.3    7 years ago

FBI Investigates Pipe Bombs Sent To Democrats : NPR

https:// www.npr.org /.../660436835/fbi-investigates-suspicious-packages- sent - to-democrats

Oct 25, 2018  · It was sent to the home of the   actor Robert De Niro   in Manhattan's Tribeca neighborhood. This comes after seven apparent   pipe bombs   were   sent   to top   Democrats , political opponents of   President Trump .

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.18  JBB  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.14    7 years ago

Being a martyr counts for something! Why is it easy for you to dismiss?

97% of mass killings in the US in 2018 were committed by RW extremists.

You may stomp your widdle feet denying reality butt you're still just wrong! 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.20  JBB  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.19    7 years ago

Then I am sure you understand why your nonsense is being so derided...

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
5.1.25  TTGA  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.5    7 years ago

An attempted murder does not mean that they were virtuous, it just means that they were incompetent.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.27  JBB  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.26    7 years ago

Word salads hardly ameliorate the fact that it is by far the rightwing white nationalists who currently pose by far the greatest risk to American's public health and safety. The incidence of hate crimes and mass murders committed by far rightwing domestic terrorists far and away exceeds any miniscule threats of murder and mayhem originating from any groups on the left. That is just a fact and so all of the lameass blah blah blah diversions, distractions and false equivalencies you can come up will never change the facts of the matter one bit. False grace is, after all, less than no grace at all so all of your lameass false equivalencies are plainly false on their faces...

Butt, please do carry on if for no other reason than the entertainment value.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.31  JBB  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.29    7 years ago

Typical...

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
5.1.33  TTGA  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.6    7 years ago
The only thing that prevented that was the fortunate circumstance that certain ranking members has been assigned protection.

Yep, luckily, a cop who knew how to shoot straight (good guy with a gun) was present.  Otherwise, the suspect would have been able to move in and use some finishing shots.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.1.34  cjcold  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1.1    7 years ago

Communism and liberalism are two distinctly different philosophies.

Your word games are disingenuous.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1.35  Bob Nelson  replied to  cjcold @5.1.34    7 years ago

"Dean" and "disingenuous" are almost synonymous. But he's innocuous. Harmless.

Let it roll.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.1.36  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.35    7 years ago

The right simply ignores when those who have been radicalized by their bigoted hate act on it, but they are vocal in condemning those they disagree with for ever even attempting something heinous. Your words will not get through Bob even though the facts completely support you. They are deaf to logic, blind to reason and mute when it comes to admitting anything's wrong with the right wing.

"In its annual report on extremist-related killings in the U.S. , the ADL’s Center on Extremism reported that at least 50 people were killed by extremists in 2018, including the 11 individuals killed in the fatal anti-Semitic attack at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh ."

Apparently, all right wing conservatives "Google" is broken since its pretty easy to find out whether it was the left or right behind the most actual domestic terror attacks and murders. Somehow they keep coming back to a bunch of "attempted" this and "not yet" that as if those are proof of the lefts guilt all while they completely ignore the actual, wanton right wing violence.

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
5.1.39  Don Overton  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.14    7 years ago

And all she is to you is a talking point and nothing more

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
5.2  Don Overton  replied to  The Old Breed Marine @5    7 years ago

Don't know what you are talking about.  Quite evident

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
Freshman Silent
6  The Old Breed Marine    7 years ago

On June 14, 2017, during a practice session for the annual   Congressional Baseball Game for Charity   in   Alexandria, Virginia , James Hodgkinson shot   U.S. House Majority Whip   Steve Scalise ,   U.S. Capitol Police officer Crystal Griner, congressional aide Zack Barth, and lobbyist Matt Mika. A ten-minute   shootout   took place between Hodgkinson and officers from the Capitol and   Alexandria Police   before officers fatally shot Hodgkinson, who died from his wounds later that day at the   George Washington University Hospital . [7] [8]   Scalise and Mika were taken to nearby hospitals where they underwent surgery. [9]

Hodgkinson was a left-wing activist [10] [11]   from   Belleville, Illinois ,

Wikipedia, not some partisan site.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  The Old Breed Marine @6    7 years ago

Was Timothy McVeigh a conservative?

Profile of Timothy McVeigh. The bomb, made of fertilizer and oil packed into the rear of a rented van, destroyed the front half of the building and killed 149 adults and 19 children. McVeigh, who had served in the U.S. Army from 1988-91, was an   extreme conservative who later told investigators he was angry over the federal government's clashes...
www.infoplease.com/biography/var/timothymcveigh.html
 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
Freshman Silent
6.1.1  The Old Breed Marine  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    7 years ago

Yeah, that's a pretty relevant comparison. Admittedly, he was more "anti-government" than anti-Left. He was pissed about Waco.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    7 years ago

512

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
Freshman Silent
6.1.3  The Old Breed Marine  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    7 years ago

Ha ha ha... I'm relatively sure that photo is fake...

McVeigh probably wouldn't support Trump, more like a Bernie-burner, hard to say...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.4  JBB  replied to  The Old Breed Marine @6.1.3    7 years ago

McVeigh was a rightwing republican militiaman and, of course, a US Marine!

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
6.1.5  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JBB @6.1.4    7 years ago
McVeigh was a rightwing republican militiaman and, of course, a US Marine!

Not according to his wiki page . 

registered republican in NYS ok so he registered repub .

Militia man, there never was found any association with any  militia  of the time , at best , he would be called anti government , matter of fact the only 2 associations that could be documented was that he registered as a repub and was a member of the NRA while he was in the military, other than that there is nadda, so you kinda got that one wrong.

next strike? he was not a US Marine, he was a US Army vet.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.6  JBB  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @6.1.5    7 years ago

[Deleted I I] lived only blocks north of the Murrah Building and was nearly knocked down by the blast. My boss and I were among the very first civilian responders at the site even before the professional showed up that morning. I lost three personal friends in The Murrah Building Bombing including a small child. I was there for The whole thing...front row, up close and personal. I attended some of McVeigh's court appearances before his trial was moved to Denver and consumed every word of both McVeigh's and Terry Nichol's trials so I have no fucking idea why you are even trying to mislead about the fact that Tim Fucking McVeigh and Terry Fucking Nichols were both far rightwing conservative domestic terrorists. [Deleted]

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
6.1.7  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JBB @6.1.6    7 years ago

did I say he was NOT a domestic terrorist? no I didn't  

 I simply corrected your statement he was a marine  which he was not and never was, which I believe was a taunt at old breed , I also corrected your statement he was a militia man or member of a militia when the FBI stated after investigation the only connections he had was registering republican and being a member of the NRA whilst in the military, making him pretty much OFF the radar. So that makes he and Nichols pretty much lone wolf whackadoodles bent on whatever they decided to do for whatever reasons .

 Don't want to be called out on a false statement , then its best not to make a statement that can be proven false.

That you should know better than to do.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2  JBB  replied to  The Old Breed Marine @6    7 years ago

Of course all politically motivated violence is deplorable and there are some historic instances of deplorable acts being comitted by extremists both left and right. Yet, the fact still remains that in recent history atrocities committed by radical lefties are mere grains of sand compared with a Sahara Desert full of far right wing and radical fundamentalist mass violence and murders. If ANTIFA poses any real murderous threat to public safety statistically it is microscopic as compared with the multitudinous recent examples of far reichtwing violence and murders currently plaguing modern day America.

Hate crimes committed by racist far rightwing white nationalists upon racial and religious minorities are skyrocketing. There is absolutely nothing comparable coming from ANTIFA or any groups on the left. I am sure you wish to falsely imply otherwise despite all the massive amounts of quantifiable statistical evidence to the contrary.

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
Freshman Silent
6.2.1  The Old Breed Marine  replied to  JBB @6.2    7 years ago
Hate crimes committed by racist far rightwing white nationalists upon racial and religious minorities are skyrocketing.

I don't really believe that, most are probably Smollett style fakes, or "perceived" "hate crimes", as opposed to actual crime-crimes.

And if it is so true, why is the media helping to keep it a secret? 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.2  JBB  replied to  The Old Breed Marine @6.2.1    7 years ago

Turn off Fox News and smell reality. The facts noted are public knowledge.

Nobody give a fuck what you do or don't believe butt reality will rock you...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.4  JBB  replied to    7 years ago

It is a fact and public knowledge that hate crimes against racial and religious minorities are skyrocketing since Trump assumed the Presidency in January 2017. This is a fact well know and universally acknowledged outside your far far rightwing bubble of denial. Don't believe me? Look it up for yourself instead of publicizing you ignorance of current US crime trends, again...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.6  JBB  replied to    7 years ago

And...Youve Got NOTHING! 

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
Freshman Silent
6.2.7  The Old Breed Marine  replied to  JBB @6.2.2    7 years ago

I don't mind you cursing, but can you at least try to write properly?

"nobody gives a fuck" with an "s", and "but", not "butt"

Also, how does turning off a TV channel allow me to smell something? 

I'll tell you what is skyrocketing, poor grammar!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
6.2.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @6.2.4    7 years ago
It is a fact and public knowledge that hate crimes against racial and religious minorities are skyrocketing since Trump assumed the Presidency in January 2017.

What's "skyrocketed" have been the FALSE accusations since Trump took office.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.12  JBB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.11    7 years ago

The hate crime stats come from the FBi though the SPLC confirms them...

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.2.14  cjcold  replied to    7 years ago

Your far right wing word games mean less than nothing. Fitting for the trickster god.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
6.2.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    7 years ago
Then show us the data.

Is your Google broken?

"In its annual report on extremist-related killings in the U.S. , the ADL’s Center on Extremism reported that at least 50 people were killed by extremists in 2018, including the 11 individuals killed in the fatal anti-Semitic attack at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh ."

 
 
 
Steve Ott
Professor Silent
9  Steve Ott    7 years ago

And the Proud Boys are the militant wing of the Republican Party. Both sides got 'em, so what is your point? Here is the answer, vote both parties out of office. Let's start this thing over.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
12  lady in black    7 years ago

Trump's mouth is the militant wing of the republican party

Lawyers For Cesar Sayoc Say Trump's Rhetoric Inspired Terrorist Plot On Democrats

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Participates
13  It Is ME    7 years ago

"Antifa is the militant wing of the Democrat Party"

Yep !

The Sturmabteilung ....or the Braunhemden/Brown shirts of the …... LIBERAL Party ! jrSmiley_1_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15  Vic Eldred    7 years ago

Today Sen Ted Cruz sent a letter to Attorney General William Barr, Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, and FBI Director Christopher Wray calling for an investigation into Antifa under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).


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The RICO Act as you know is what brought down organized crime. It's strong stuff.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @15    7 years ago

Ted Cruz, in his all encompassing complaint about Antifa, mentions exactly two locations where Antifa has surfaced, Portland Oregon and one time in Washington D.C. 

Even according to Cruz , a right wing member of Congress, the activities of Antifa are limited to a minuscule slice of America as a whole.  In other words antifa is a boogeyman to conservatives, and little more. 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
Professor Silent
18  Steve Ott    7 years ago

20 killed in El Paso Walmart shooting near Cielo Vista Mall

I'm sure the killer is a "fine person". Antifa may rough some people up, but they have yet to kill people.

Fortunately, my daughter overslept, so she and my wife weren't there.

Now please, tell me more about the militant left.

 
 

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