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Democrats Drop Bribery and Other Crimes In Favor Of A Two-Article Impeachment

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  7 years ago  •  48 comments

By:   Jonathan Turley

Democrats Drop Bribery and Other Crimes In Favor Of A Two-Article Impeachment
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The Democratic leadership announced today that it has decided that President Donald Trump will be accused of just two articles of impeachment: abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. I commend the Committee in dropping the previous claims of bribery, extortion, campaign finance and obstruction of justice. While my fellow witnesses made good-faith arguments for those articles, my testimony primarily focused on the legal and constitutional flaws in claiming those criminal acts. I also commend the Committee in not following the suggested course of many in ignoring the legal definitions of those crimes to claim an impeachable offense. Finally, Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler is correct as he stated yesterday that I repeatedly stated that President Donald Trump could be impeached for a non-criminal act like abuse of power if it could be proven. I also said that he could be impeached for obstruction of Congress, if proven. However, this record falls considerably short of the record needed to support such claims for a submission to the Senate.

I do not believe that Chairman Nadler is the one pushing for this rocket docket of impeachment. The problem with these two claims is not their constitutional basis but their evidentiary record. This is the thinnest record created in the shortest time of any modern presidential impeachment. Rather than wait and build a viable case, the Democrats are moving to submit an incomplete and undeveloped record to the Senate. The committees have burned three months where they could have secured judicial review and at least one decision on the missing witnesses. It took two months between the ruling of Judge Sirica in the Nixon case and the final ruling of the Supreme Court that led to Nixon’s resignation.

Nevertheless, while I believe this impeachment is premature and half-formed, I am relieved that the House Judiciary Committee did not toss out the legal definitions of crimes for acts like bribery, extortion, campaign finance, and other crimes declared established by some experts.

There is a reason by President Donald Trump encouraged Democrats to stick to its “impeach by Christmas” pledge. This is the case that Trump would want: one-sided and undeveloped. It is a case that will not withstand Senate scrutiny.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    7 years ago

They did it in rapid time!

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    7 years ago

In the Democrat's world Trump was guilty as soon as he won the election. To them this is the culmination of 3 plus years of work.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1    7 years ago

Yup, that's exactly what it is. Did you hear what unhinged radical democrat congressman Al Green said?

"Texas Rep. Al Green declared Thursday that House Democrats can just impeach the President again and again, leaving the connotation that this impeachment has already failed. Green introduced his first articles of impeachment in November 2017 and did so again a number of times after that. “A president can be impeached more than once."


And believe it or not he represents a Texas district. Even in the great state of Texas we have thugs voting!

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Participates
2  It Is ME    7 years ago

I watched that …."Press time" of theirs …. to announce "Their Articles of impeachment" (Which apparently STILL needs some more tweaking for another week) . jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

Nancy was praying and trying to keep her teeth in her mouth (WTF was on her nose anyway).

Apparently...Nadler took a few doses of Viagra, as Maxine had an orgasm right there on the stage.

And Schifty Schiff, at least kept his eyeballs in place this time, as he did his "Parody" act again.

They dropped their Scathing " News Worthy " bribery, extortion, "Quid-Pro-Quo", campaign finance and obstruction of justice crap, and down sized it to a boring "abuse of power" and "obstruction of Congress".

"Obstruction of Congress" and "Abuse of Power". 

Hmmmmmm …… think about that. jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

Is "Obstruction of Congress" and "Abuse of Power", a meld of the two as one...but listed separately for effect ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @2    7 years ago

House democrats have now completed the fastest investigation with the thinnest record supporting the narrowest impeachment in modern history.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    7 years ago

After all the yelling, shouting and outrageous claims...it's not going to end with a bang, but with the weakest of whimpers.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Participates
2.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    7 years ago
supporting the narrowest impeachment

It was on actual "Non-Existent" Support !

I'm wondering when Democrats in congress are going to put forth a Bill that claims …. "Feelings" are now the "Law" !

Call it .... HR666-my-feelings-are-butt-hurt !

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3  Sean Treacy    7 years ago

Well, this ain't gonna fly.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    7 years ago

I think they should have thrown the book at Trump for every abuse of power he has done from Day One. Have 30 articles of impeachment.  But the ones in charge want to keep it to this one issue. One issue, by the way, for which Trump has no defense. 

The defense of trump is basically "we want to know who the whistlebower was". Which as a defense of wrong doing is absurd. 

There is no doubt Trump is guilty of impeachable offenses and should be removed from office.  And there is probably no doubt that Republicans in the Senate are cowards. Its all good. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @4    7 years ago

The defense by democrats and in their actions …… IS..... Trump Won in '16, we can't let that happen on '20 !

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
4.2  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @4    7 years ago

Awe yes, blame the Republicans because Democrats can't win an election.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @4.2    7 years ago

I blame Republicans because they think a known liar, crook, bigot, and moron should be president of the United States. 

 
 
 
lib50
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4.2.2  lib50  replied to  Sunshine @4.2    7 years ago

Trump's goP (gov't of Putin)  can't win without Putin's help.  Which the entire party is happy to accept and promote.  Putin's propaganda is spewing from republican mouths every day now.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Participates
4.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @4.2.2    7 years ago
Trump's goP (gov't of Putin)  can't win without Putin's help.  Which the entire party is happy to accept and promote.  Putin's propaganda is spewing from republican mouths every day now.

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Really ? jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
4.2.4  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    7 years ago
I blame Republicans because they think a known liar, crook, bigot, and moron should be president of the United States. 

As oppose to Hillary....good grief.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Participates
4.2.7  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.6    7 years ago
Poor

Probably ! jrSmiley_102_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lady in black
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4.2.8  lady in black  replied to  Sunshine @4.2.4    7 years ago

but-but-hillary.jpg

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
4.5  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @4    7 years ago
for every abuse of power he has done from Day One.

Triggering the snowflakes on the left because Hillaryious Hillary lost is not abuse of power.

 But the ones in charge want to keep it to this one issue.

Obstruction again? Omg President Trump did not come sit done and admit to all the radical democrats bullshit so thats obstruction. Read the transcripts for fuck sakes.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
4.5.1  KDMichigan  replied to  KDMichigan @4.5    7 years ago
come sit done

come sit down....little correction before some snowflake gets triggered.

256

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
5  charger 383    7 years ago

As soon as they got control of the house, they were determined to impeach for something, anything no matter how silly or how much time and money it cost.   

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
5.1  lib50  replied to  charger 383 @5    7 years ago

Because treason is so much less than a blow job.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @5.1    7 years ago

Clinton wasn't partially impeached for a blow job. He was impeached for perjury and obstruction (witness tampering). Look it up. Those are real damn crimes. No one gives a shit about the blow job except the left.

As for treason. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif It has been stated many times, Trump winning an election is not illegal no matter how the left tries to make it so.  TDDDDS victims are living in their own reality.

Mueller couldn't reach a decision on charges- something Starr had absolutely no problem doing with Clinton. Of course Starr had real evidence; not the conjecture, hard feelings, and smoke and mirrors of the Mueller report.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
5.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  lib50 @5.1    7 years ago
Because treason is so much less than a blow job.

After all these years and you still don't know why slick willie was impeached...

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Participates
6  It Is ME    7 years ago

ooooooo…...I almost forgot ! jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

Stupid Democrats make me do that at times.

Did you see how the Dems were sooo sorrowful on their Impeachment crap "Stage Show", but then got all happy and giddy about how THEY ...... THEY...... THEY jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif .....were instrumental in getting the USMCA  to a point of completion, 'cause THEY .... THEY ....are the only ones that really CARE about the "American" people jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif ??????

According to THEM , TRUMP DIDN'T DO THAT. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Democrats in congress are the most..... MORONIC …..SELF SERVING ….. MILLIONAIREs..... I have ever  fucking seen.

And their voters are going to agree jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif .....THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DID IT ! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7  charger 383    7 years ago

       "impeached for a non-criminal act like abuse of power" or obstruction of Congress

sounds like he was charged with calling them names and making them mad  not high crimes and misdemeanors

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Participates
7.1  It Is ME  replied to  charger 383 @7    7 years ago
ounds like he was charged with calling them names and making them mad 

That's about all it is ...but it does " depends " on your "Feelings" of what IS ...... IS ! jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
8  Nerm_L    7 years ago

Well, it only goes to show that once the sheep have been forced into the chute, it's too late to look for an exit.  Let the shearing begin.

I doubt the American public is going to leap to the defense of a Congress whose job approval stands at 24 pct.  While the country is split on approving of Trump; the country most definitely disapproves of Congress.  Congress is an example of the whole being considerably less than its parts.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
8.1  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @8    7 years ago

And yet the same people keep being voted back in...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
8.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Ender @8.1    7 years ago
And yet the same people keep being voted back in...

Yep, that's what I said (believe it or not).

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
10  Sean Treacy    7 years ago

It sounds like a group of moderate Democrats are pushing Pelosi for a censure vote instead.  

Way to rational of an idea for the moonbats who run the Democratic party. No chance they won't go for  a party line impeachment instead. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
11  Jeremy Retired in NC    7 years ago
The Democratic leadership announced today that it has decided that President Donald Trump will be accused of just two articles of impeachment: abuse of power and obstruction of Congress

Ok.  Abuse of power.  Would that be like the Democrats using the IRS to try to get Trump's taxes?  

Obstruction of Congress.  Would that be the equivalent of not representing the people?  As far as I can tell, Trump has put the people and the country first.  Wish I could say the same for the democrats.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
12  Tacos!    7 years ago

Remember when it was obvious and clear that the president was guilty of obstruction of justice (not congress), bribery, extortion, and soliciting foreign interference in an election? Apparently we'll be dropping all that obvious stuff and going with the very vague "abuse of power" and the completely made up "obstruction of Congress."

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13  seeder  Vic Eldred    7 years ago

Final Thoughts:

Pelosi has finally agreed to allow a vote on the USMCA. Without any doubt that is her cover point for the 31 moderate democrats who have been saddled with this impeachment process. They will get a little cover. The President will get his well deserved victory for a much needed fair trade agreement. 

 
 

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