Remembering one of the great lies of the American media
On July 18 the Washington Post ran an article by Josh Rogin entitled "Trump Campaign Guts GOP's Anti-Russia stance on Ukraine." It was through this article that one of the many false narratives of Trump collusion was created.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html
According to this article the Trump campaign weakened the RNC's support for Ukraine in its convention platform:
"The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.
Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.
Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States."
Ah, but it took a genuine journalist to debunk the lie. Columnist Byron York over at the Washington Examiner brought forward the truth - A delegate for candidate Ted Cruz had proposed an amendment that supported providing "lethal defensive weapons" to the Ukrainian armed forces. A Trump campaign official had altered the proposed amendment to use a more diplomatic construction that promised 'appropriate assistance" to the Ukrainian army, which does not rule out lethal weapons. In other words the Trump campaign simply softened the Cruz delegate's amendment, but that amendment would nonetheless toughen the RNC platform via the Ukraine.
Columnist Byron York
It was but one of the endless stories that the leftist media bombarded us with during and after the 2016 Presidential Campaign. The outrageous Post story was immediately followed by the infamous "Putin's Puppet" story from Slate. That hit piece, which was regurgitated by other left wing outlets, claimed that Alfa Bank had ties to Trump. That lie was later debunked by none other than the FBI. Also in the Franklin Foer piece was mention of Carter Page talking to Russians.As we now know, Carter Page was working for the CIA and most likely spying on Russians. All of the Fushion GPS/Steele targets were mentioned in the piece including Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort.
The media operatives quoted one another as they perpetuated these lies throughout 2016 and forever after. For those who come on NT to defend them, hopeless as that is, it may be time to fess up and admit the wrongs that were done. Maybe we can find a way to forgive you.
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Donald Trump was almost in the clear. Robert Mueller had just testified to Congress that he found no prosecutable proof that the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia, although Mueller did note that the Trump campaign enthusiastically accepted help from Russia in his campaign against Clinton, and Mueller noted that because he had decided that DOJ guidelines would not permit an indictment of Trump perhaps some of the information he included in his report about 10 possible instances of obstruction of justice by Trump could be looked into by another body.
But there was enough there in his favor so to speak for Trump to accept it as favorable to him and put it all behind him. Instead, THE NEXT DAY, he did it all over again, asking the leader of a foreign country to help him against one of his current election opponents.
When he asked Zelensky to effect the 2020 election by investigating Biden, Trump revived all the suspicion that he had done something similar with the Russians. The man just cant keep his mouth shut.
John, you haven't missed a single progressive talking point.
Did you see what I said in post # 1?
The media lied & lied for 3 years and you are telling us about the new narrative. How about the old lies that were exposed?
If someone is acquitted of the crime of , lets say, throwing rocks at cars, and then the very next day they go out and throw rocks at a car, it is going to cause people to wonder if they werent actually guilty the first time too.
If I had to surmise, I would say that , given his desire to have foreign governments help him smear his political opponents, he was probably not completely innocent the first time either.
Donald Trump is a scumbag, when is that going to dawn on you? There are only dozens of examples of it.
Trump has lied for those same three years also, yet you are unconcerned with that. Why?
I notice you always ignore the proven case of Hillary Clinton's Campaign (along with the DNC's) paying for the creation of and disseminating the Steele Dossier. You also ignore the in our face boast of Joe Biden having a prosecutor fired for investigating Burisma Holdings. Instead you focus on allegations involving Trump.
when is that going to dawn on you?
Let me pose a question to you regarding something I only have a hunch about. Suppose John Durham discovers that those "Russians & others" who you would say offered help to the Trump Campaign were actually working for either Fushion GPS or foreign intelligence services in coordination with Brennan's CIA? What would you say to that?
And let us not forget Lieutenant General Michael Flynn who was one of the finest military Intelligence officers of his time. He circumvented the Intelligence bureaucracy in collecting intelligence. In 2010 he wrote an article entitled "Fixing Intell: A blueprint for making Intelligence Relevant in Afghanistan". To Flynn the problem had always been the Beltway bureaucracy, through which information circulated for weeks before getting back to soldiers in the field. It was for the soldiers doing the fighting that Flynn served. As you can imagine he rubbed the Obama administration the wrong way and he remains at the moment another "enemy of the state." Me thinks that will change at some point.
William Barr has no credibility as Attorney General. He is a stooge for Trump. He proved that when he distorted the contents of the Mueller Report and then withheld the actual report until his propaganda about it was absorbed by the media. Since Barr appears to control Durham I expect the same sort of misleading result to come from that probe. Barring something extraordinary happening the Durham Report will be highly suspect.
Joe Biden threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine based on the policy of the Adminstration he was working for and it was also the position of the European Union members.
Hillary Clinton paid for opposition research into Donald Trump. She did not choose Christopher Steele.
You have to smear him because you are petrified of what our intelligence services have done. To expose that would destroy the credibility of everyone on the left, wouldn't it?
Barring something extraordinary happening the Durham Report will be highly suspect.
The word is feared!
Joe Biden threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine based on the policy of the Adminstration he was working for and it was also the position of the European Union members.
Even if that were true it would be wrong for him to be the one to make the threat since his son had been given an obvious political plum job with Burisma. You know I'm right.
Hillary Clinton paid for opposition research into Donald Trump. She did not choose Christopher Steele.
That is irrelevant. Her campaign used that false damning information and ran it through the State Department and a very willing media. She took no prisoners. Look how far that shit went. We still have people here trying to defend it.
He's far more credible and ethical than "wing man" Holder and "meet me on the tarmac" Lynch.
Imagine an AG publicly stating that "I'm the president's wingman!" And then there was Lynch who happened to have Bill Clinton wander on to her plane while it was preparing for takeoff on the tarmac. Funny, that never happens to me.
Yet, progressives claim that Barr is Trump's "stooge".
Barr is without a doubt the best AG of my lifetime and I go back to William P Rogers, though I knew little about him. For the rest of them it's not even close.
Yes, he did.
Yes, they have, and they still haven't explained their rationale as it pertains to constitutional law.
No.
You're still a kid! I have a few more AGs under my age belt! But, truth be told, the first one I remember is RFK.
She's was the first of a particular type. At least she apologized to Richard Jewel.
Oh, yes, the president's brother. He made many enemies for his brother. In particular I recall how he went after Jimmy Hoffa, the corrupt Teamsters Union leader who supported Nixon, while ignoring Walter Reuther, the corrupt UAW Union leader who supported his brother. Such high principles!
The Kennedy name and principles should never be used in the same sentence.
No, they didn't. Just because some dipshit at the Washington Examiner wants to claim it wasn't "gutting" the GOP Ukraine policy it was "simply softened", it doesn't mean others opinion that it did amount to gutting their parties platform which did state prior to the Trump campaign changes that they supported providing "lethal defensive weapons". Whether you think changing that to "appropriate assistance" wasn't a big deal is your problem, not the media who reported the facts. This Byron York article is from 2017, this has been known for quite some time and was confirmed in the Mueller report. Trying to rehash this now with new spin is rather pathetic.
Saying that moderating the language effectively gutted the GOP Ukraine policy was a lie. A lie that only the Post readership would go along with. A lie more devastating than Eric Swalwell flatulence!
Bullshit and you know it. You said it yourself right there "moderating the language", saying "gutted" was apt language to describe the difference between "lethal" and "appropriate". And just weakly trying to rehash this in your own Trump defense narrative is just sad. I really do feel for those Americans who are so fucked in the head they believe the known liar, moron, sexually depraved, worthless impostor of a human being that calls itself Donald Trump. How it wormed itself into all your ears is just fascinating but rather disappointing as I thought we had evolved past mentally deficient grunting neanderthals.
That is correct, I did.
saying "gutted" was apt language to describe the difference between "lethal" and "appropriate".
No, it is not. It connotes the complete removal of something. The modification allowed for more options, while leaving lethal defensive weapons as one of the options.
And just weakly trying to rehash this in your own Trump defense narrative is just sad. I really do feel for those Americans who are so fucked in the head they believe the known liar, moron, sexually depraved, worthless impostor of a human being that calls itself Donald Trump. How it wormed itself into all your ears is just fascinating but rather disappointing as I thought we had evolved past mentally deficient grunting neanderthals.
As much as you detest "those Americans" it pales in comparison to how I feel about these lying progressive elitists who have traded in journalism for propaganda.
Remember how he tried to coordinate Nancy Reagan's "Just say no" campaign? Those were good people trying to save American society. At that time we were one generation in on the drug epidemic. It was a lot to expect from a generation that preferred to listen to professor Timothy Leary rather than their own parents.
According to the official transcript, that statement is not true. And even if it was, it doesn't matter because the he isn't being impeached for that phone call.
How totally off-topic.
It’s very depressing to see some progressives still parrot these lies.
the mainstream media was weaponized against the American people and we will be paying the price for years . Once these lies get inserted into the National consciousness, it’s hard to ever remove them. Progressives want to believe it’s true, so no evidence will ever convince them of how they’ve been manipulated.
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Hit a little too close to home, huh?
I'll say this you for you John. Your ability to be comprehensively wrong on something for years and still claim others have gone off the deep end is almost preternatural. Mere mortals would probably be wondering why they allow themselves to be constantly fooled by the same left wing media over and over.
Some on the left appear to believe that if we are not threatening war with Russia, we are somehow colluding with them.
Neither can they explain how Putin controls Trump.
It's magic. Magic I tell ya... those cagey Russian bastards broke the code in J.K.Rowling's books... it's a whole new cold war..
(just channeling my inner liberal)
A policy which was still - and remains - more interventionist and supportive than anything the Obama administration was prepared to do. And yet the media continues to try to portray Trump as being somehow anti-Ukraine.