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A Question of Duty

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  6 years ago  •  50 comments


A Question of Duty
“I say this not only as secretary of Defense, but also as a former soldier and a former member of the National Guard, the option to use active-duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most urgent and dire of situations," Esper said. "We are not in one of those situations now. I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act.”

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A very odd thing happened the other day. The man the President appointed as Secretary of Defense forgot what his primary duty was - to protect the lives and safety of American citizens.   Incredible as it may seem, the Secretary of Defense was making policy on his own, declaring:

“I say this not only as secretary of Defense, but also as a former soldier and a former member of the National Guard, the option to use active-duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most urgent and dire of situations," Esper said. "We are not in one of those situations now. I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act.”

If that's Mr Esper's opinion, he should have kept it to himself. Cops are being killed & maimed as are American citizens. Liberal mayors and Governors refuse to stop the carnage. It is last resort time. Therefore, American forces, such as those from the the 82nd Airborne Division will be hanging around the outskirts of Washington DC for a while. One thing we know about them - they get the job done!

As for Mr Esper - he will do his duty to this country and he will keep his personal opinions to himself!




And to Esper's precarious future, the White House Press Secretary only had this to say:

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“should the president lose faith, we will all learn about that in the future.”


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Chris Mitchell said that active duty troops in the capitol region are “to remain on alert” but will stay outside the District proper.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago

They are following the Posse Comitatus rule - 

Section 1385 of Title 18, United States Code (USC), states:

“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

The Posse Comitatus Act (PCA) does not apply to the U.S. Coast Guard, or to the National Guard in Title 32 or State Active Duty status. Although the PCA prohibits only the Army and Air Force as from performing domestic law enforcement activities, another statute, 10 USC Section 275, requires the Secretary of Defense to prescribe regulations to prohibit members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps from direct participation in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.  Department of Defense Instruction 3025.21 implements the prohibitions required under the PCA and 10 USC Section 275.

These laws and regulations generally prohibit U.S. military personnel from direct participation in law enforcement activities. Some of those law enforcement activities would include interdicting vehicles, vessels, and aircraft; conducting surveillance, searches, pursuit and seizures; or making arrests on behalf of civilian law enforcement authorities. Prohibiting direct military involvement in law enforcement is in keeping with long-standing U.S. law and policy limiting the military’s role in domestic affairs.

Thus far, no state governor has requested the assistance of Fed Troops, so, with Trump telling the governor's to do their own jobs with their own resources, what's the problem?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

Why is it that the stories I've been reading these days about Republicans differing from Trump make me conjure up this image?

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Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    6 years ago

It's called wishful thinking. My dreams never involve hate.


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Shall we stop the caricatures?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    6 years ago

I'll continue to post pictures I consider relevant to the topic, even when you post something entirely IRRELEVANT just to taunt me, as you just did.  Someone else recently tried to shut me up as well. And where does "hate" come into what I posted?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.1    6 years ago

Then let's stop the pictures. Why wouldn't the use of the military be relevant to this article?

BTW, it's the anniversary of that tragic event. (It ended on June 4, 1989.)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    6 years ago

Maybe you misunderstood the allegory I depicted - with three high-ranking military-connected persons posting something contrary to what Trump wanted the military to do.  They were escaping a sinking ship, depicted as Trump's "ship of state" - IMO his "??governing??"   Get it yet?  And that has NOTHING to do with Tianenmen Square, which you posted to taunt me, and that's somewhat damaging to our "mutual respect", right?

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    6 years ago
Why is it that the stories I've been reading these days about Republicans differing from Trump make me conjure up this image?

because you don't know what a never trumper is?   we do.    and we don't care what they say.. never did, never will.

however, the image of the dems titanic sinking?  spot on :)

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.2    6 years ago
because you don't know what a never trumper is?

Another name for a never Trumper is "sane American". It's virtually impossible for any rational human to look at Trumps record and think "Yeah! This guy is a stable genius and really knows how to run a country", so really the name that should be coined is "Ever Trumper" to describe those lunatics who, despite clear evidence of Trumps incompetence and mountain of lies, refuse to be critical of him in any way.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.1    6 years ago

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The Magic 8 Ball
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2.2.3  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.1    6 years ago
Another name for a never Trumper is "sane American".

not a chance.... LOL

sane people ignored them in 2016 we will ignore them again this year

 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    6 years ago
“Whatever Trump’s goal in conducting his visit (to the church), he laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, gave succor to the leaders of other countries who take comfort in our domestic strife, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces. 

“...They are not ‘battle spaces’ to be dominated, and must never become so” 

Ret. Admiral Mike Mullen

Joint Chief of the US Military under both a Republican and a Democratic president

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"America’s military, our sons and daughters, will place themselves at risk to protect their fellow citizens. Their job is unimaginably hard overseas; harder at home. Respect them, for they respect you. America is not a battleground. Our fellow citizens are not the enemy."

Ret. General Martin Dempsey

former Joint Chief of the U.S. Military

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"Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people - does not even pretend to try, instead, he tries to divide us.

We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership."

Gen.James Mattis, former Secretary of Defense

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Three strikes and you're out Trump. 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago
Three strikes and you're out Trump. 

Lol, I'm afraid not. The murder and mayhem the left has brought to American cities has absolutely guaranteed the President's re-election!


 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
3.1.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    6 years ago
The murder and mayhem the left has brought to American cities has absolutely guaranteed the President's re-election!

agreed, I'm not sure if the left could have timed things any better on that count.

and it will be fun to watch antifa go down in flames.

what would happen if...

the doj infiltrated antifa with informants and were collecting info on antifa's leadership over the past 3 yrs?

  • pallets of bricks do not magically show up in the streets.
  • someone paid for them and someone delivered them.

use your thinking cap :)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.1.1    6 years ago

Let's see, it is early June and the violent protests have already taken the Coronavirus out of the news cycle. The economy is showing promising signs of a quick bounce back. Could it be that by late October we again have a prosperous economy and a nation completely fed up with riots and to top it all off a few nice indictments issued by John Durham?   I think I see another 4 years!

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    6 years ago

Now you are comparing Trump to Churchill - lol. 

Why don't you lower your sights a little regarding Trump?  George Wallace or Spiro Agnew come to mind. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    6 years ago
Now you are comparing Trump to Churchill - lol. 

It sure looks that way.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    6 years ago
“Kayleigh Mcenany, who seems like a nice person, I know her, she used to be a commentator at CNN, seems like a person of strong faith. Maybe she believes what she’s saying,” he said. “But comparing the president of the United States to Winston Churchill?”

“Churchill joined the military, saw combat. The president avoided all that, as we know. Bone spurs, we’re told,” Cooper elaborated. “Churchill wrote books. The president, he’s had books ghostwritten for him.”

He continued going down a list and said, “Churchill rallied Britain in the face of evil. He united the world against it. This president praises tyrants. He seeks to emulate them. The press secretary compares the two men… I mean, she’s right. They’re both leaders of countries. They’re both old. They’re both large. And both walked through rubble. One did it for his country. Trump did it for himself.”

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
3.1.6  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    6 years ago
and to top it all off a few nice indictments issued by John Durham? 

didja watch rosenstein throw mccabe under the bus in the senate?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.7  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    6 years ago

Well, you definitely got your "rag" correct John - Mediaite is becoming the Left's Huffington Post.  And Anderson Cooper???  Gitouttahere.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.7    6 years ago

Why do you defend Donald Trump? Spit it out 1st Warrior.  You say you care so much about "honor".  This man has no honor, so why do you defend and support him? 

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Trump falsely claims he fired former US defense secretary Mattis and that he changed Mattis' nickname
On Wednesday, President Donald Trump posted a Tweet falsely claiming he fired former secretary of defense James Mattis. Mattis resigned from the position in December of 2018 after the administration decided to withdraw US troops from Syria, according to Associated Press. In Wednesday’s Tweet, President Trump also incorrectly claimed that he changed Mattis’ nickname from “Chaos” to “Mad Dog”. According to journalists from CNN, The National Review and The Dispatch, the nickname preceded Trump’s presidency and there are published references to Mattis being referred to as “Mad Dog” by his troops as early as 2004.
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In the space of one tweet, Trump manages two falsehoods. He says he fired Mattis (actually he resigned) and says he "changed" Mattis's nickname to "Mad Dog" (he did not, that nickname long preceded Trump, though Mattis did not care for it).
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.8    6 years ago

1st Warrior, Trump routinely lies like this. There is no honor in that. Why do you support him and defend him? 

Having a prolifigate liar in the White House like Trump eats away the moral character of the country. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.10  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.8    6 years ago

Sorry John - off topic to my comment.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
3.1.11  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    6 years ago

Show where I'm defending Trump.  I'm stating that the law prohibits sending Federal Troops into states unless it meets specific need criteria - which it does not.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.11    6 years ago

you defend him and attack his critics all the time

everyone here knows that

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.13  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.12    6 years ago

"everyone here knows that"

Your kool-aide is showing John.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.1.6    6 years ago

Did you notice that Rosentein claims he didn't read all of those FISA requests that he put his name to?

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
3.1.15  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.14    6 years ago

yepp. better to be seen as ignorant/stupid/ than being complicit in a coup attempt

the finger-pointing has begun.... LOL   it only gets better from here.

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.1.15    6 years ago

Remember, one of them said we only did what the president told us to do!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  JohnRussell    6 years ago

Who should we believe , three highly accomplished and authoritative military leaders, including two who rose to the highest position in the US military ranks, or Kayleigh McAnany ?

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    6 years ago

We'll believe the people who lied about Trump/Russia for three years and then lied about the Ukraine and then criticized protests in Michigan as "spreading the virus"/ s

The haters of course!

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    6 years ago

The only proven liar is your hero. (19,000 and counting)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    6 years ago

No, it's the left wing media, John (30,000 and counting)

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
4.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    6 years ago

The funny thing about that is many of the people that were calling out the protestors in Michigan for spreading the virus now completely support the latest protests.   Protests which are clearly much worse in numbers and all aspects of good pandemic hygiene .   The hypocrisy at work here is epic and exponential.

The people who have that stink on them will never lose it.

Never

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
4.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    6 years ago

I think you are under counting there buddy .....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.5    6 years ago

Those are just the media lies. I didn't include the democrat lies or the failed Coup.

Let's focus on the current whopper: "Institutional racism among police":

The falsity of the claim is demonstrated even by statista.com itself. Just three days ago, the site posted another series of bar graphs, showing that, in fact, whites are nearly twice as likely as blacks to be shot to death by police. Here are the numbers:

Year                White  Black

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2017                457      223

2018                399      209

2019                370      235

2020 (so far)      42       31






Last night Tucker Carlson went through each and every case of the 10 unarmed blacks shot and killed last year by police. Every one, except one was a justified shooting, as police officers were under attack at the time.  Thanks to Sean for mentioning that stat (I can't remember what seed). It came from the Washington Post. In a nation of almost 328 million a grand total of 10 unarmed black were shot & killed by police last year.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    6 years ago

Police misconduct towards people of color goes far beyond the number of people who are shot by police. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.7    6 years ago

Prove it!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
4.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4    6 years ago

Understood.

Kayleigh McAnany holds some different opinions than you do .... you must attack her

Kayleigh McAnany works for Trump ..... you must attack her

Kayleigh McAnany is openly religious .... you must attack her

Kayleigh McAnany is a girl ..... ewwwwwww .... you must attack her

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.2    6 years ago
Kayleigh McAnany works lies for Trump ..... you must not attack her

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
4.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    6 years ago

Fix that please, it's not something i said so take it out of quotes.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
4.2.3  lib50  replied to  Sparty On @4.2    6 years ago

Kayleigh McAnany is a lying sack of crap who will go as low as necessary to try to protect BunkerBitch. 'Attacking' a lying beatch is no different than 'attacking' a lying dick.  And if 'openly religious' means lying and bearing false witness every day, that would explain the evangelical attachment to the amoral lying racist.  Putting a female out to take the hits on Trump's lies and failures won't stop the truth from getting to the light.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
4.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  lib50 @4.2.3    6 years ago

Opinions do vary as do resting dispositions ....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  JohnRussell    6 years ago
Donald J. Trump
✔ @realDonaldTrump

Probably the only thing Barack Obama & I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis , the world’s most overrated General. I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about it. His nickname was “Chaos”, which I didn’t like, & changed to “Mad Dog”...

Obama did not fire Mattis, Trump did not fire Mattis (he retired in both cases) , and Trump did not give Mattis the nickname "Mad Dog". 

Mattis earned the Mad Dog moniker during “one of the hardest-fought campaigns following the Iraq invasion in 2003 — where he was one of four Commanders leading the British/US troops to take the city from Iraqi insurgents after the fall of Saddam Hussein.”

Trump is not a well man Vic, and we both know it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5    6 years ago

Earth to Major Tom:  Mattis is not overrated either!  (He was chosen by two presidents)  How did you miss that one?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    6 years ago

You sound particularly desperate this morning. 

Why does Trump lie about things that can be checked in 30 seconds? 

I wonder if he actually believes he gave Mattis the nickname "Mad Dog" ?  I wouldnt doubt it. He creates his own delusional reality. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    6 years ago

Remember John, let's not make it personal.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    6 years ago

When you write editorials, like you did on this seed, you are open for comment. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    6 years ago

We are open for all relevant commentary, but I will be back in a few.

Be good John.

 
 

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