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Unity, Diversity and Hating Trump

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  6 years ago  •  92 comments


Unity, Diversity and Hating Trump
I am one of a handful of people living today who have seen firsthand the immense weight and awesome power of the presidency. And let me once again tell you this: The job is hard. It requires clearheaded judgment, a mastery of complex and competing issues, a devotion to facts and history, a moral compass, and an ability to listen — and an abiding belief that each of the 330,000,000 lives in this country has meaning and worth.

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Last night was the opening night of the DNC Convention. The keynote speaker was Michelle Obama and her very dark pre-recorded speech was hailed by left wing pundits as well as some more moderate voices as the highlight of what could best be described as the coronavirus convention.

The former first lady never mentioned Kamala Harris in her "speech."  Could it have been taped that long ago?  There is also little mention of policy. She spent a few minutes calling Joe Biden a decent man, but the balance of her speech involved smearing the President as if his Presidency began this past April and that he was somehow responsible for the consequences of the world wide pandemic. Of course, there was not one word from anyone last night about all of the violence taking place in democrat controlled cities.

She reminded everyone of her declaration that "when they go low, we go high!" Who has gone lower than the democrats who have boycotted the current President's inauguration, promoting a lie about him being a Russian agent, impeaching him on a whim and trying to obstruct him at every turn. As she spoke of the horrors of systemic racism I wondered what country she was talking about?  It may be time for the former first lady to do a little soul searching. I'll never forget the first words I heard out of her mouth when her husband won the presidency in 2008:  "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country."



Below is the transcript of her speech:

Good evening, everyone. It’s a hard time, and everyone’s feeling it in different ways. And I know a lot of folks are reluctant to tune into a political convention right now or to politics in general. Believe me, I get that. But I am here tonight because I love this country with all my heart, and it pains me to see so many people hurting.

I’ve met so many of you. I’ve heard your stories. And through you, I have seen this country’s promise. And thanks to so many who came before me, thanks to their toil and sweat and blood, I’ve been able to live that promise myself.

That’s the story of America. All those folks who sacrificed and overcame so much in their own times because they wanted something more, something better for their kids.

There’s a lot of beauty in that story. There’s a lot of pain in it, too, a lot of struggle and injustice and work left to do. And who we choose as our president in this election will determine whether or not we honor that struggle and chip away at that injustice and keep alive the very possibility of finishing that work.




I am one of a handful of people living today who have seen firsthand the immense weight and awesome power of the presidency. And let me once again tell you this: The job is hard. It requires clearheaded judgment, a mastery of complex and competing issues, a devotion to facts and history, a moral compass, and an ability to listen — and an abiding belief that each of the 330,000,000 lives in this country has meaning and worth.

A president’s words have the power to move markets. They can start wars or broker peace. They can summon our better angels or awaken our worst instincts. You simply cannot fake your way through this job.

As I’ve said before, being president doesn’t change who you are; it reveals who you are. Well, a presidential election can reveal who we are, too. And four years ago, too many people chose to believe that their votes didn’t matter. Maybe they were fed up. Maybe they thought the outcome wouldn’t be close. Maybe the barriers felt too steep. Whatever the reason, in the end, those choices sent someone to the Oval Office who lost the national popular vote by nearly 3,000,000 votes.

In one of the states that determined the outcome, the winning margin averaged out to just two votes per precinct — two votes. And we’ve all been living with the consequences.

When my husband left office with Joe Biden at his side, we had a record-breaking stretch of job creation. We’d secured the right to health care for 20,000,000 people. We were respected around the world, rallying our allies to confront climate change. And our leaders had worked hand-in-hand with scientists to help prevent an Ebola outbreak from becoming a global pandemic.

Four years later, the state of this nation is very different. More than 150,000 people have died, and our economy is in shambles because of a virus that this president downplayed for too long. It has left millions of people jobless. Too many have lost their health care; too many are struggling to take care of basic necessities like food and rent; too many communities have been left in the lurch to grapple with whether and how to open our schools safely. Internationally, we’ve turned our back, not just on agreements forged by my husband, but on alliances championed by presidents like Reagan and Eisenhower.

And here at home, as George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and a never-ending list of innocent people of color continue to be murdered, stating the simple fact that a Black life matters is still met with derision from the nation’s highest office.

Because whenever we look to this White House for some leadership or consolation or any semblance of steadiness, what we get instead is chaos, division, and a total and utter lack of empathy.

Empathy: that’s something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. The ability to walk in someone else’s shoes; the recognition that someone else’s experience has value, too. Most of us practice this without a second thought. If we see someone suffering or struggling, we don’t stand in judgment. We reach out because, “There, but for the grace of God, go I.” It is not a hard concept to grasp. It’s what we teach our children.

And like so many of you, Barack and I have tried our best to instill in our girls a strong moral foundation to carry forward the values that our parents and grandparents poured into us. But right now, kids in this country are seeing what happens when we stop requiring empathy of one another. They’re looking around wondering if we’ve been lying to them this whole time about who we are and what we truly value.

They see people shouting in grocery stores, unwilling to wear a mask to keep us all safe. They see people calling the police on folks minding their own business just because of the color of their skin. They see an entitlement that says only certain people belong here, that greed is good, and winning is everything because as long as you come out on top, it doesn’t matter what happens to everyone else. And they see what happens when that lack of empathy is ginned up into outright disdain.

They see our leaders labeling fellow citizens enemies of the state while emboldening torch-bearing white supremacists. They watch in horror as children are torn from their families and thrown into cages, and pepper spray and rubber bullets are used on peaceful protesters for a photo op.

Sadly, this is the America that is on display for the next generation. A nation that’s underperforming not simply on matters of policy but on matters of character. And that’s not just disappointing; it’s downright infuriating, because I know the goodness and the grace that is out there in households and neighborhoods all across this nation.

And I know that regardless of our race, age, religion, or politics, when we close out the noise and the fear and truly open our hearts, we know that what’s going on in this country is just not right. This is not who we want to be.

They see people shouting in grocery stores, unwilling to wear a mask to keep us all safe. They see people calling the police on folks minding their own business just because of the color of their skin. They see an entitlement that says only certain people belong here, that greed is good, and winning is everything because as long as you come out on top, it doesn’t matter what happens to everyone else. And they see what happens when that lack of empathy is ginned up into outright disdain.

They see our leaders labeling fellow citizens enemies of the state while emboldening torch-bearing white supremacists. They watch in horror as children are torn from their families and thrown into cages, and pepper spray and rubber bullets are used on peaceful protesters for a photo op.

Sadly, this is the America that is on display for the next generation. A nation that’s underperforming not simply on matters of policy but on matters of character. And that’s not just disappointing; it’s downright infuriating, because I know the goodness and the grace that is out there in households and neighborhoods all across this nation.

And I know that regardless of our race, age, religion, or politics, when we close out the noise and the fear and truly open our hearts, we know that what’s going on in this country is just not right. This is not who we want to be.


So what do we do now? What’s our strategy? Over the past four years, a lot of people have asked me, “When others are going so low, does going high still really work?” My answer: going high is the only thing that works, because when we go low, when we use those same tactics of degrading and dehumanizing others, we just become part of the ugly noise that’s drowning out everything else. We degrade ourselves. We degrade the very causes for which we fight.

But let’s be clear: going high does not mean putting on a smile and saying nice things when confronted by viciousness and cruelty. Going high means taking the harder path. It means scraping and clawing our way to that mountain top. Going high means standing fierce against hatred while remembering that we are one nation under God, and if we want to survive, we’ve got to find a way to live together and work together across our differences.

And going high means unlocking the shackles of lies and mistrust with the only thing that can truly set us free: the cold, hard truth.

o let me be as honest and clear as I possibly can. Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country. He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. He cannot meet this moment. He simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is.

Now, I understand that my message won’t be heard by some people. We live in a nation that is deeply divided, and I am a Black woman speaking at the Democratic Convention. But enough of you know me by now. You know that I tell you exactly what I’m feeling. You know I hate politics. But you also know that I care about this nation. You know how much I care about all of our children.

So if you take one thing from my words tonight, it is this: if you think things cannot possibly get worse, trust me, they can; and they will if we don’t make a change in this election. If we have any hope of ending this chaos, we have got to vote for Joe Biden like our lives depend on it.

I know Joe. He is a profoundly decent man, guided by faith. He was a terrific vice president. He knows what it takes to rescue an economy, beat back a pandemic, and lead our country. And he listens. He will tell the truth and trust science. He will make smart plans and manage a good team. And he will govern as someone who’s lived a life that the rest of us can recognize.

When he was a kid, Joe’s father lost his job. When he was a young senator, Joe lost his wife and his baby daughter. And when he was vice president, he lost his beloved son. So Joe knows the anguish of sitting at a table with an empty chair, which is why he gives his time so freely to grieving parents. Joe knows what it’s like to struggle, which is why he gives his personal phone number to kids overcoming a stutter of their own.

His life is a testament to getting back up, and he is going to channel that same grit and passion to pick us all up, to help us heal and guide us forward.

Now, Joe is not perfect. And he’d be the first to tell you that. But there is no perfect candidate, no perfect president. And his ability to learn and grow — we find in that the kind of humility and maturity that so many of us yearn for right now. Because Joe Biden has served this nation his entire life without ever losing sight of who he is; but more than that, he has never lost sight of who we are, all of us.

Joe Biden wants all of our kids to go to a good school, see a doctor when they’re sick, live on a healthy planet. And he’s got plans to make all of that happen. Joe Biden wants all of our kids, no matter what they look like, to be able to walk out the door without worrying about being harassed or arrested or killed. He wants all of our kids to be able to go to a movie or a math class without being afraid of getting shot. He wants all our kids to grow up with leaders who won’t just serve themselves and their wealthy peers but will provide a safety net for people facing hard times.

And if we want a chance to pursue any of these goals, any of these most basic requirements for a functioning society, we have to vote for Joe Biden in numbers that cannot be ignored. Because right now, folks who know they cannot win fair and square at the ballot box are doing everything they can to stop us from voting. They’re closing down polling places in minority neighborhoods. They’re purging voter rolls. They’re sending people out to intimidate voters, and they’re lying about the security of our ballots. These tactics are not new.

But this is not the time to withhold our votes in protest or play games with candidates who have no chance of winning. We have got to vote like we did in 2008 and 2012. We’ve got to show up with the same level of passion and hope for Joe Biden. We’ve got to vote early, in person if we can. We’ve got to request our mail-in ballots right now, tonight, and send them back immediately and follow-up to make sure they’re received. And then, make sure our friends and families do the same.

We have got to grab our comfortable shoes, put on our masks, pack a brown bag dinner and maybe breakfast too, because we’ve got to be willing to stand in line all night if we have to.

Look, we have already sacrificed so much this year. So many of you are already going that extra mile. Even when you’re exhausted, you’re mustering up unimaginable courage to put on those scrubs and give our loved ones a fighting chance. Even when you’re anxious, you’re delivering those packages, stocking those shelves, and doing all that essential work so that all of us can keep moving forward.

Even when it all feels so overwhelming, working parents are somehow piecing it all together without child care. Teachers are getting creative so that our kids can still learn and grow. Our young people are desperately fighting to pursue their dreams.

And when the horrors of systemic racism shook our country and our consciences, millions of Americans of every age, every background rose up to march for each other, crying out for justice and progress.

This is who we still are: compassionate, resilient, decent people whose fortunes are bound up with one another. And it is well past time for our leaders to once again reflect our truth.

So, it is up to us to add our voices and our votes to the course of history, echoing heroes like John Lewis who said, “When you see something that is not right, you must say something. You must do something.” That is the truest form of empathy: not just feeling, but doing; not just for ourselves or our kids, but for everyone, for all our kids.

And if we want to keep the possibility of progress alive in our time, if we want to be able to look our children in the eye after this election, we have got to reassert our place in American history. And we have got to do everything we can to elect my friend, Joe Biden, as the next president of the United States.

Thank you all. God bless.




https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/us/politics/Michelle-Obama-speech-transcript-video.html


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

A very dark opening night!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
A very dark opening night!

Did she say anything false?  Bringing to light the utter corruption and incompetence that is Trump, is the opposite of dark.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    6 years ago

Dark meaning lacking a policy of her own or Biden's own. Smearing & mean spirited attacks are the kind of thing we usually find on social media not at the convention of a major political party.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    6 years ago
Smearing [&] mean spirited attacks are the kind of thing we usually find on social media not at the convention of a major political party.

Donald Trump and his minions in his administration, in Congress and in social media smear and mean spiritedly attack his "enemies" 365 days a year.  And now you are alarmed because democrats were "mean" to him ? [deleted]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    6 years ago

Such hate?  [deleted]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    6 years ago

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Ozzwald
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1.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    6 years ago

Dark meaning lacking a policy of her own or Biden's own. Smearing & mean spirited attacks are the kind of thing we usually find on social media not at the convention of a major political party.

Just fair that you compare Biden's stated policies with Trump's.  So go ahead and list some of Trump's so we can compare.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.5    6 years ago

That's funny. I must have listed Donald Trump's achievements/policy promises on NT about ten times only to hear a progressive say I don't think that's an achievement.

Trump has a record as President. His policies have been enacted.

Here we go again, please note he also appointed approx 200 judges (Conservative Justices as promised)

The list is prior to the pandemic which damaged a few of these accomplishments, most of which were stated policy during the 2016 campaign:

  • Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
  • More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
  • We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
  • Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
  • Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
  • New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
  • Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
  • African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
  • Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
  • Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
  • Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
  • Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
  • Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
  • Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
  • Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
  • The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
  • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
  • Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
  • Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
  • As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
  • Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
  • Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
  • Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
  • Record number of regulations eliminated.
  • Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
  • Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
  • My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
  • Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
  • We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
  • Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
  • Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
  • We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
  • Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
  • Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
  • United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
  • Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
  • Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
  • Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
  • NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
  • Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
  • Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
  • Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
  • Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
  • Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
  • Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
  • Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
  • Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
  • Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
  • Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
  • Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
  • Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
  • Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
  • We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.




    Now you have the hard part - What does Biden stand for?
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    6 years ago

Almost all of the non economic "achievements" on this list appeal only to conservatives. It is hardly an objective achievement for Trump that he took the US out of the Paris Climate Accord. 

The economic 'achievements' are not quite as open to interpretation , but it is absurd to give Trump all the credit for falling unemployment. 

By the time Obama left office, the jobless rate was down to  4.7 percent  — well below the historical norm of 5.6 percent  https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/#:~:text=By%20the%20time%20Obama%20left%20office%2C%20the%20jobless,to%20that%20point%20was%20a%20long%2C%20slow%20grind.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.7    6 years ago
Almost all of the non economic "achievements" on this list appeal only to conservatives.

Correct John, that's part of why I voted for him.


It is hardly an objective achievement for Trump that he took the US out of the Paris Climate Accord. 

I'm sure progressives didn't like the idea, but I think objective observers might agree that agreements which let the most egregious polluters off the hook is counter productive.


Let's agree to give to Obama his due and to Trump his due.


BTW, the point of the exercise was to compare policies. I have yet to hear what Biden's policies are?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    6 years ago
  • Now you have the hard part - What does Biden stand for?

Sorry, I still haven't seen Trump's stated policies for a 2nd term.  A list of propaganda does not qualify.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.9    6 years ago
A list of propaganda does not qualify.

A list of fulfilled promises and a record is what you mean.


Sorry, I still haven't seen Trump's stated policies for a 2nd term.

So, you are only concerned with his 2nd term objectives?

Very well:

1. Defeat The Chinese Virus

This should come as no surprise. The Chinese coronavirus has become the central issue of the election. In addition to a sharp increase in testing over recent months and the development of treatments for virus victims, the president touted his administration’s effort to secure a vaccine by year-end. Once thought impossible, many experts now agree that Operation Warp Speed as the effort is known is on track to do just that.

In his remarks the president noted the virus should never have been allowed to leave China, but that under his leadership we are fighting it back, and that unlike earlier in the year, we now know “how to pinpoint it, and who to protect.” Ultimately containment of the virus is essential to the further plans he outlined. Each a plank in rebuilding the American economy.

2. Restore Our Country’s Prosperity

Trump’s promise to voters on this issue is that he did it before and he can do it again. The very Whirlpool plant that he was speaking at, he argued, was a testament to the success of the policies that created massive growth before the virus struck. Having replaced NAFTA, long a thorn in the side of Rust Belt states like Ohio, with a new trade agreement more fair to American workers, he assured the crowd that his earlier success would be replicated.

3. Turn America into the Drugstore of the World

An important piece of news floated under the radar last week as the Trump Administration invoked the Defense Production Act to provide loans for a major Kodak facility in upstate New York, where the manufacturer will convert to creating the ingredients for pharmaceuticals. The process is expedited by the similarities between drug and film chemical manufacturing.

As a result, domestic production of these ingredients will increase from 10 to 25 percent of our total need in the next five years. That isn’t just a jobs creator. It also creates medical security for the nation that has let its own lack of manufacturing make it dangerously dependent on countries like Communist China to provide life-saving drugs.

4. Onshore Manufacturing Jobs

Until Trump ran for president in 2016, Americans had spent almost 30 years being told by both parties that manufacturing jobs were gone for good and not coming back. Some kind of new high tech economy was promised, an early iteration of “learn to code.” Trump opposed the globalism of that neoliberal position and he said “On January 23, 2018 at my desk in the Oval Office, I signed an order to impose a 50 percent tariff on all foreign-made washing machines.” The workers watching understood just how important policies like that are to their industry and their jobs.

5. Bring Back Factory Jobs

Trump’s goal for a second term is not only to keep good paying American jobs here in America, but to attract even more factory jobs into communities that have suffered for years under former policies. As the trade deals fell, Trump argued the jobs came back. “We made extraordinary progress in reversing the dangerous tide of globalism. Over a period of four to five years this took place. Think of it, four to five years, what we have done is a miracle,” he remarked.

6. Put American Workers First

This final promise for his final term is really a summation of all the previous ones. After more than a generation of being ignored by administration after administration, Trump’s first term laid groundwork for American job growth that he says he can build on. If Trump can hammer home this message, especially in battleground states, then Joe Biden is going to have to escape the basement sooner rather than later to deliver his own message and explain why a return to the failed globalist policies of the past are going to work if he tries them again.




Now your turn - What does Joe Biden propose???

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
1.1.11  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    6 years ago
Did she say anything false?

Why yes, yes she did. But does it matter? The TDS sufferers don't need facts. I'm just thankful that she was able to escape her depression in her Martha's vineyard home long enough to prerecord a message.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    6 years ago

It's a simple question Ozzie - what does Biden stand for?  What does he propose to do?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.13  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.12    6 years ago
what does Biden stand for?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.13    6 years ago

So, Joe has no proposals or policies of his own. He stands by the "party platform."

From 2016?????

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    6 years ago
1. Defeat The Chinese Virus

He already told you, inject or ingest disinfectant or UV light.

2. Restore Our Country’s Prosperity

Well, he drove us into another recession, so we'll either go back up or down into a depression.  With Trump, no guarantee which direction he will take us, but he has already taken us from a good economy to a bad one.

3. Turn America Into The Drugstore Of The World

With no guarantee on pricing.  What good is it to be the "drugstore of the world" when most Americans won't be able to afford it.  Remember, he's also working on taking away our health insurance.

4. Onshore Manufacturing Jobs

That once one of his claims 4 years ago, he has failed to do that for 4 years, what makes you think he will succeed this time?

5. Bring Back Factory Jobs

Thanks Obama!

-1x-1.png 6. Put American Workers First

REPORT: TRUMP HAPPILY EMPLOYING UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS WHILE ICE ROUNDS THEM UP

Attorney says more undocumented workers are employed at Trump golf course

This Is How Trump Relies on Undocumented Labor for His Resorts

What Donald Trump Knew About Undocumented Workers at His Signature Tower

So re-purposing all the stuff he failed on 4 years ago, and lying about others.  That's it?

A Closer Look At Biden's Policy Proposals

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.15    6 years ago

The purpose isn't for you to debate Trump's policies or offer counter arguments.

All that's left is for you to show us what Joe Biden's policies are.

Bob Nelson tried to help you, but he was probably hoping I wouldn't read his 2016 democratic platform.

The NPR reporter on your podcast seems to think Biden wants to do what Trump already has done.

Can't anyone tell me what Joe Biden proposes to do??????

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
1.1.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.14    6 years ago

I suppose they'll update it after the convention. Vox has a good article on Biden’s program. I'll post it tomorrow.

What's Trump's program?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.17    6 years ago
Vox has a good article on Biden’s program. I'll post it tomorrow.

I'd love to see that.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.1.19  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.16    6 years ago
Can't anyone tell me what Joe Biden proposes to do

Biden will do whatever his handlers tell him to do. He has no core beliefs, and never did. He's running against pretty much every position he's taken earlier in his public life, starting with his belief there is no right to an abortion in the Constitution.  Whatever policies will enrich his family and keep  him getting elected is just fine for Biden. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.19    6 years ago

Sanders has taken Biden by the hand:

"The two have deepened their cooperation in recent months, unveiling a massive set of joint policy proposals in July as part of a “ unity task force .” The  positions included  a ban on for-profit charter schools, a mandate on net-zero emissions for all buildings by 2030 and a  100-day moratorium  on deportations."



 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1.24  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.16    6 years ago
The purpose isn't for you to debate Trump's policies or offer counter arguments.

I'm not debating them, I am pointing out that they are either failed policies from his last campaign, or non-starters since they go against his own interests.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1.25  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.22    6 years ago
Exactly.  tRump can't say 'to stay out of prison' as that is his only agenda.

I still believe, that come November, if he loses, he will resign so President Pence can give him a blanket pardon.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1.26  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.23    6 years ago
tRump promised a new health care plan over a month ago, where is that?

He promised a new health care plan over 3 years ago.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.27  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.24    6 years ago
I am pointing out that they are either failed policies from his last campaign,

They are not failed policies. In January democrats were deeply depressed, remember?  Let's not confuse what China just did for you with Trump's first 3 years!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.28  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.26    6 years ago

I didn't vote for that. Everybody has to pay for their own health care. He said he would replace Obamacare, right?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.29  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.20    6 years ago

Exactly what are you reproaching, here? Biden must build and maintain a coalition. Logically, he meets other leaders, and tries to find common ground.

What's wrong with that?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.1.30  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.28    6 years ago
He said he would replace Obamacare, right?

And yet never produced any actual plan to replace it, just an ill-conceived plan to dismantle it. Of course it wasn't hard to get the many racists among his base to simply agree to dismantling anything with Obama's name attached to it, but when the rubber met the road, his base balked because they realized they would actually be screwing themselves if they agreed to dismantle the ACA with zero plan to replace it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
1.1.31  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    6 years ago
Now you have the hard part

I've seen this bucket-list before. It's meaningless. It includes stuff that may or may not be an accomplishment. It includes stuff done by others. It includes simple opinions.

It's a smokescreen, to hide the fact that actual accomplishments are few and far between.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
1.1.32  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    6 years ago
Very well:

Here are several paragraphs... with nothing in them!

There isn't a single concrete policy defined anywhere in this magma.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.35  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.25    6 years ago

LMAO!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
"Could it have been taped that long ago?"

I read today that it was taped before Senator Harris was named VP.   So she did not "deliberately" omit the reference.  "Deliberately" is a good word, BUT ONLY IF IT'S THE TRUTH. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2    6 years ago

That sounds right, Buzz. I kind of assumed that. I'm careful about the word deliberately. I use it only when there is evidence.

When a nation restricts travel within it's own country, yet allows flights out to all parts of the world - that is a deliberate action!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    6 years ago

What right does anyone have to stop a foreigner from going home unless they have committed a crime?  STOPPING them would be a deliberate action.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
1.2.3  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    6 years ago
What right does anyone have to stop a foreigner from going home unless

containing a deadly virus from spreading around the world - - -

is a fairly good reason to stop anyone, anywhere, at any time.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @1.2.3    6 years ago

And what a good job YOUR country did when it allowed HIV-AIDS to spread around the world - only a few cases came from Africa and it PROLIFERATED and was NOT contained in America.  Ever hear the expression: "NOBODY'S PERFECT"?

OIP.q2z9C-c2QO2FpKImeq851gHaD_?pid=Api&rs=1

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    6 years ago

So you are telling us that all those flights carried only people returning home?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
1.2.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.6    6 years ago

I'm sure that there were others who intended to visit friends and families outside of China, and those who wanted to escape the virus.  It would have been quite a problem to sort through and make determinations among which passengers could leave and which passengers could not.  Apparently the east coast infections were probably caused by passengers from Italy, and flights with infected people may have left before the virus was identified as being infectious.  I still think that when you use the word "deliberately" it's as if infected people were sent abroad with an intention to infect the world, and I don't believe that. 

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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1.2.8  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.4    6 years ago
And

the sliding conversation.....  LOL


The earliest known case of infection with HIV-1 in a human was detected in a blood sample collected in 1959 from a man in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo.


but it is our job to contain a virus from the congo?  rhetorical

china lied, people died. now china is going to pay in multiple ways for decades.

 

 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.7    6 years ago
Apparently the east coast infections were probably caused by passengers from Italy,

And infections in Italy were most likely caused by Chinese workers arriving in northern Italy.


I still think that when you use the word "deliberately" it's as if infected people were sent abroad with an intention to infect the world, and I don't believe that. 

Sorry Buzz, I just can't see it any other way. They knew what they were dealing with as evidenced by stopping local travel in and out of Wuhan!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @1.2.8    6 years ago

As I said, a few cases came to America FROM AFRICA (I did NOT deny that) and from America it spread like your California wildfires.  America did fuck all to stop it. 

Oh, I'm sure Xi Jinping and the rest of the Chinese people are shaking in their boots from your threat. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.9    6 years ago

You have your opinions and I have mine.  Of course, I don't owe Xi Jinping any allegiance, and as you know I've disagreed with some of the things that have happened here, so I don't "toe the line".   Just out of curiosity, have you ever disagreed with Trump on anything?

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
1.2.12  bccrane  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.9    6 years ago
And infections in Italy were most likely caused by Chinese workers arriving in northern Italy.

When Trump shut down travel from China to the US, the people allowed to leave and flee the Wuhan area made their way through Europe, who didn't stop travel from China, to get to the US.  

The reason why we had a hard time confining the virus from the beginning was, unlike China where they could shut down the Wuhan area with a single case start, that we had 1000's arrive first on the west coast, then after the travel ban, 1000's more on the east coast all allowed to leave/flee the Wuhan area.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.11    6 years ago

Yes I have.

PS

You really don't have to tell me that. I know you think for yourself

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  bccrane @1.2.12    6 years ago

Correct, plus we were woefully short of what was necessary to fight it.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
1.2.15  bccrane  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.11    6 years ago

Hey, BTW, what do you think about the Wuhan pool party/concert that was recently held, and was noted on CBS this morning, that nobody was wearing a face mask and no social distancing.

This was obviously a propaganda/photo op stunt for the "in your face" to the US and others all orchestrated by the Chinese gov't.  Do you want to know what the give away was, there was no one in the audience, in China no less, that had a mask on.  On any given day, before the virus, what was there 10 - 20 percent of the people in the cities walking around with masks on.  The people in attendance were ordered not to wear masks and not to social distance.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
A very dark opening night!

You were obviously just watching some Fox low-lights. If you'd watched the actual first night you would have seen the very apparent bright light of justice and equality being the centerpiece of the convention. Nothing 'dark' about it. It was without a doubt a light at the end of the tunnel focused convention. If you saw it as a "very dark opening" then perhaps it's the perspective. No doubt those with their heads firmly shoved up Trumps ass would see anything as a 'very dark opening'.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  JohnRussell    6 years ago

There is no such thing as "smearing" Donald Trump.  Frankly, his critics in mainstream politics, like Michelle Obama , don't go anywhere near far enough in their criticism. Did Michelle Obama tell her audience that Trump has lied 20,000 times to the American people SINCE HE TOOK OFFICE ?  I dont think she did.  A president who has lied 20,000 times is disqualified by that fact in itself. It shows he has zero respect for the American people. Zero. 

No one can "smear" Trump. He smears himself by his words and tweets and actions. 

Did Michelle Obama say the obvious truth, that Trump is the worst president in American history? No, because she wanted to be at least a little polite to Trump, because that is how dignified and classy people like Michelle Obama behave. Trump does not deserve it of course. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    6 years ago

John, maybe your'e right. Michelle didn't do enough smearing. I'll see if they'll let you speak tonight.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    6 years ago

Why? [DELETED]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    6 years ago

If you win, John, it will either be thanks to China or voter fraud. 

I should warn you both, either stop trolling or I start ticketing.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    6 years ago

Trolling? [DELETED]

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    6 years ago

Of all the people to talk about putting people in cages, an Obama is one to talk.

classic TDS moment was progressives freaking out about kids in cages and how horrible Trump is only to have it revealed the picture was from the Obama admin.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    6 years ago

The pic from 2014? I remember.

 
 
 
Account Deleted
Freshman Silent
4  Account Deleted    6 years ago
Going high means standing fierce against hatred while remembering that we are one nation under God, and if we want to survive, we’ve got to find a way to live together and work together across our differences. And going high means unlocking the shackles of lies and mistrust with the only thing that can truly set us free: the cold, hard truth.

I fail to see the boiling hate you refer to your introduction.

I don't "hate" Trump, I simply long for a time that the government of Trump, by Trump, for Trump, shall  perish from the earth. And hope "The world will little note, nor long remember" him.

But "hate"?

No. I reserve that for consequential people.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Account Deleted @4    6 years ago

It may be a done deal. How much of the US economy would you say the three states of New York, Illinois and CA represent?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

The extent of Joe Biden's conversation with America:

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
5.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    6 years ago

When is Creepy Joe Biden going to give a 'Candid' interview with a member of the press?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  KDMichigan @5.1    6 years ago

That's hard to do these days, even with the prepared text, he fumbles.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    6 years ago

Seriously, Vic?

That's just plain dumb. You could do s-o-o-o much better.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.2    6 years ago

Why? Because he managed to get through a few softball interviews. Why not admit that he is only a proxy?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    6 years ago
Why? Because he managed to get through a few softball interviews.

How often does Trump come on MSNBC for 'candid' interviews? Oh that's right, never, because he's too busy weakly batting at softball pitches from Fox & Friends.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.2.2    6 years ago

Well they will have to debate!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    6 years ago
Why not admit that he is only a proxy?

Because there's no evidence, and because it's illogical.

Why don't you show some proof of the things you say?

I know that many conservatives are unmoved by logic and evidence... but I thought you were more intelligent than that.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.3  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    6 years ago

Biden is so confused by what she is saying that he is wincing trying to figure it our.

She basically did the interview for him. He just rocked back and forth, winced, and smiled.

I am sure our allies will appreciate that; as well as our enemies. 

Just tell Joe what needs to be done, and he will do it. Please, he doesn't have a clue what to do himself- he just needs someone, anyone to guide him!

Of course Cardi B and Biden don't mention who is going pay for all of their free shit. I am sure neither of them will figure into that equation.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
6  Bob Nelson    6 years ago

It's interesting, Vic...

One almost never hears a lefty "hate" a person. We may hate actions, or policies... but very rarely persons.

One constantly hears righties speaking of "hating people".

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @6    6 years ago
Why does the idea of hatred come so easily to your clan?

Because it is hate. Are you in denial?  They hated George W too. They called him a Nazi.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
6.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Bob Nelson @6    6 years ago
We may hate actions, or policies... but very rarely persons.

Perhaps "lefties", as you put it, are experts at veiled insults? Please see some of the posts here at NT (which, from article selections it seems is turning into an acronym for Never Trump)...........or is this your first day? The actual word "hate" may not be typed but the fervor with which the posts come across paints a pretty easy picture to see.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
6.2.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2    6 years ago

If you haven't noticed I have been taking a break from the TDS suffering. It has been refreshing.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10  Bob Nelson    6 years ago

The Vox article about the Democratic Platform is here .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @10    6 years ago

Thank you

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    6 years ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.1    6 years ago

I loved your little introduction, but try to keep on mind that party platforms are different from candidate proposals/agendas and also remember that the Republican platform comes out at their convention. We do know what we are doing.

PS

I love the idea of making DC a state. It's not only un-Constitutional, but if it was ever to happen it would just about guarantee the dems a Senate majority forever n' ever!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.2    6 years ago

First, Vic...I don't think you're going to see Biden expliciting a program different from the Party Platform. Why would he do that?

Second... I would express the DC question differently.  The people there are citizens. They should have the vote. The Founders' worry - that the federal government might be dominated by Maryland or Virginia - is hardly valid in the 21st century.

... just about guarantee the dems a Senate majority forever n' ever!

If the Republicans hadn't gerrymandered like crazy after REDMAP, Congress would already be locked Democratic.

What you are actually saying is that you want a Republican minority - growing ever smaller - to maintain control of the Senate regardless, and thus control of the judiciary. That's quite understandable... but not really acceptable to any democrat (upper case "D" or lower case "d", both).

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.3    6 years ago
First, Vic...I don't think you're going to see Biden expliciting a program different from the Party Platform.

The question was does Biden have any idea's of his own?


Why would he do that?

He wouldn't. He follows direction.


Second... I would express the DC question differently.  The people there are citizens. They should have the vote. The Founders' worry - that the federal government might be dominated by Maryland or Virginia - is hardly valid in the 21st century.

The District was carved out as just that - the Capital:

  Article I, Section 8  provides explicitly for a national capital that would not be part of a state nor treated as a state, but rather a unique enclave under the exclusive authority of Congress — a neutral “district” in which representatives of all the states could meet on an equal footing to conduct the nation’s business.


If the Republicans hadn't gerrymandered like crazy after REDMAP, Congress would already be locked Democratic.

Oh com'on Bob  look at all the gerrymandering congress created for you in the deep south when legislation was passed to guarantee voting & representation for specific groups. The SCOTUS said what about gerrymandering?


What you are actually saying is that you want a Republican minority - growing ever smaller - to maintain control of the Senate regardless, and thus control of the judiciary. 

Growing smaller?  Maybe if progressives can keep blurring the line between residents and citizens you'll get there and tribalism will reign supreme!

 
 

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