Where are the moderate democrats?
It took candidate Joe Biden nearly 3 months (nearly 3 months to the day that George Floyd died) to finally, at long last condemn the random violence that has plagued democrat controlled cities. "But burning down communities is not protest- it's needless violence, violence that endangers lives, violence that guts businesses and shutters businesses that serve the community. That's wrong."....Joe Biden.
Why did it take so long?
Simple answer - As radical progressive CNN anchor Don Lemon put it - “It’s showing up in the polling. It’s showing up in focus groups. It is the only thing right now that is sticking."
Ya, that's right Don. The American people in general want to be safe to venture outside of their homes. Democratic leaders, however never thought they were going to have to answer for all of the violence, which they allowed. First they insisted on telling us that the "protests" were "peaceful." Then they, like Biden were forced to admit the obvious. Now they want to blame it all on somebody else.
This is all business as usual for the radical left of the democratic party, but what about those "moderate" democrats? What are they thinking?
Joe Biden has yet to lay out a vision of his America or even give us an idea of what he proposes to do as president. It is not the first time I raised the obvious question. Last time I asked the question here on NT I was told by one of our progressive members that Biden simply supports the democratic platform. Is that going to do it for the more moderate elements of the democratic party? What about that 110 page agreement hammered out by Bernie Sanders? Is that more likely what moderates can expect from Biden?
Yesterday Biden campaign manager Kate Bedingfield was interviewed by Chris Wallace. She was unable to answer simple questions, such as explaining Biden's recent statement about shutting down the economy. Instead she recited talking points. One important thing was learned - Biden will soon hit the campaign trail. Did the riots and or polling contribute to that decision?
That inevitably means he will have to start talking about where he stands. Is it with the extreme left of his party? Or is it with the more moderate democrat voters?
One of the places he will be going is to the supposedly democratic stronghold of Minnesota. An ominous sign.
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I don't want to hear from progressives or lefties, nor do I need to hear from self described "moderates" or "independents", who turn out to be lefties! If we have any real moderate democrats on NT - It is you who I would like to hear from.
Trump and his supporters are off topic.
Vic,
On NT, everyone is allowed to comment. They must stay on topic though.
Perrie,
Read that carefully. I never said they couldn't join in - I was asking to hear from moderates rather than the hard left. Did they come running to you? It seems like the extremes lefties are either seeking your protection or tossing insults at people. I more than let them have their say, as you can see.
No moderate dems showed up.
I am a moderate. I love our nation. I love the constitution, even the 2nd amendment regardless of what some may claim. I love freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
I love our police departments and the police who defend and protect all American citizens.
I love our military and military personnel and all they sacrifice for our freedoms and protections from vile despot nations like Putin's Russia.
I support a vibrant diverse America that is made up of every race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, faith or lack thereof where all are treated with equal respect and dignity.
As a moderate, I feel much like the long list of moderate Republicans who have come to the same conclusion about this current administration and how far from the center it has moved which led them to pen several open letters detailing their dismay.
I do not believe the current Republican party, after having watched the recent RNC, is anywhere close to the center of America which is why they have lost the confidence of the majority of Americans.
The first sentence in your article is false.
hat tip to kavika
There has been a lot more violence since the initial riots in Minneapolis.
That was about a week ago, prior to the killing in Portland.
The problem in the country is not that Joe Biden hasnt condemned violent protests enough. The problem resides elsewhere.
That is the one I quoted. No mention of violence at the DNC convention.
The problem in the country is not that Joe Biden hasnt condemned violent protests enough. The problem resides elsewhere.
The problem might just be that polling is of more concern to democrat leaders than is the violence.
BTW, did you take note that I am searching for some moderate democrats? As of yet - none to be found.
He also didn't mention the violence while standing on one foot with the wind blowing to the west, while whistling yankee doodle dandy.
Is that your next claim???
Ozzy, you really don't impress me as being a moderate, but to your point, the dems have allowed all this violence. Now that it has moved the polling numbers, Joe Biden has condemned it. (one of the very few democrats to do so)
I'm wondering how that plays to moderates?
Then why didn't democrat mayors put a stop to it?
Ditto
LOL! Trump has stated that if re-elected he will put a stop to all the violence. That implies that he could stop it, but refuses to, which means that HE IS ALLOWING IT. See? Logic is not your friend.
Wow, JohnRussell showed you wrong in his first post in this thread. So you are choosing to ignore it. Wow!
By violating peaceful protester's Constitutional rights?
That means I was looking for some moderates to show up. None have. I wonder if it will be the same come election day?
Wow, JohnRussell showed you wrong in his first post in this thread. So you are choosing to ignore it. Wow!
No, neither he nor you have been up to the task.
HAHA! Even brain dead Biden has stopped calling them peaceful!
Prove it.
Yes, peaceful. Apparently you cannot tell the difference between people standing there with signs, and other people inciting violence. You like trying to lump them all together.
Moderate by YOUR DEFINITION? No such thing. You need to open your eyes before you'll find any.
Yet you started your seed insisting that Biden didn't address it until now. John proved that to be false. Own it.
You say this over and over, but have never given any proof. Taking your cues from JR?
“Last night, I tell you, to watch that thing on television as I did,” Reagan said . “Yeah,” Nixon interjected. Reagan forged ahead with his complaint: “To see those, those monkeys from those African countries—damn them, they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!” Nixon gave a huge laugh.
Indeed. The Democratic party passed the civil rights act and the voting rights act and pushed for racial equality. It's happening again now. No wonder bigots like Reagan and other Republicans who left the Democrat party over the last few decades feel more at home in the Republican party.
8 minutes of Democrat's calling into C-SPAN stating they are fed up
I am not affiliated with that twitter account.
but I do enjoy watching the left suicide itself.
It is a toxic mix - violence & looting, promises of higher taxes, an economic shutdown and a return to globalization!
Those may be the only moderate democrats we hear from!
My parents were lifelong democrats. The working class kind, which used to be the back bone of the party - the very kind the party is shedding lately.
They used to go to the movies once a week. One night they went and saw "Carnal Knowledge." I remember my mother said to me (I was 19 at the time) that she didn't think the movies were for them anymore. I said to her "You don't like what you see? Keep voting the way your'e voting - you'll get a lot more of it!"
I still remember that.
What next? Call Democrats thespians or gypsies?
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are moderate Dems!
They're not socialists or radicals or anti-American.
They're plain old Democrats like Clinton or Obama.
Trump is the radical tearing at norms of America...
In what way?
In every way they meet the definition. Look it up!
May be slightly off topic but for kicks and giggles and a huge WTF, type antifa.com in your browser and see what happens....................
What Biden policy do I have to use for that definition?
I get it.......Hardly where we would find a moderate!
Moderate democrats - where are you?
That's hilarious 😂
Still works for me.................when I put it in the browser. Hmmmm
No it hasn't. Just went there.
Trying to say Biden and Harris are communists/socialists, and trying to pretend the country is under physical siege from radical leftists is all trump and his lackeys have left.
It is bizarre to call Biden or Harris communists, but Trump and his followers have no shame.
It is reminiscent of when they said throughout the 2016 election that Hillary was on her death bed.
No wonder the once Grand Old Party of Abe Lincoln is now known merely as "the gop"...
Joe has found the fortitude to appear in Pittsburgh today. Maybe we might find out his positions on this very day?
That's the furthest he's dared to venture from his basement in months. He's allegedly going there to talk about Kenosha. It seems that he's confused again and thinks that Kenosha is in PA.
This is no longer about left or right. The same way Bush failed us with lies about the war, Trump has failed us on multiple fronts from lies about the virus, our world standing and his efforts to destroy the rule of law while he flaunts his own law breaking in front of us. He literally runs his personal political campaign with taxpayer dollars and lines his own pockets with donor money. Bannon was arrested for fraud regarding the scam to "build the wall", Bannon and Trump were determined to burn it all down and have succeeded because the rubes they scam happily buy into any narrative they shove at the base. Trump has scammed all his life from his charities, his fake university, his failed line of products, his "foundation" and they know there are serious discrepancies in how Trump golfs while billing the taxpayer for the use of his golf courses. The "radical left" is a talking point to force the base to look away from the actual theft and real law breaking going on. Why is Trump stealing and lying and scamming the fault of the "left"? Why is every single thing that happens under any Republican administration the fault of the "left"? Right wing voters proudly claim America is "red" and has a majority of red states. So I will say "true" America has had a majority of red states, red governors, red local and state legislatures, and red Presidents who make all the laws, who make all the rules, call all the shots. So WHY is the right always so angry about the results they get from voting for Republicans? You got what you wanted, you voted all these Republicans in office from coast to coast and get them in the White House only to be angrier and angrier than every before about where the country ends up. The country ends up where it is because of right wing voters who continually vote in Republicans across the board who lie to them, glad hand campaign donors to get cheap immigrant labor, and spew right wing talking points to keep them totally subservient to the Republican party who will never create what their voting base wants.
But where does Joe Biden stand......on anything???
Depends on how much money and influence is to be made....
Or which way they point him
The only clear positions he has so far are:
you wish... LOL
this election is all about socialist/marxist violence and bs -VS- freedom, liberty, and security.
nothing trump has done, or will do, is worse than putting our country in the hands of today's left.
There isn't a place for moderates in either party any longer. At one time Roosevelt Progressives were considered moderates. But neo-liberal Democrats have lied, cheated, and stolen that, too. Democrats after Lyndon Johnson have ruined everything they have touched.
Joe Biden is a neo-liberal Democrat, not a moderate. Kamala Harris is an ambitious opportunist which is appealing to neo-liberals.
Joe Biden made the neo-liberal wanker speech condemning violent protests, blaming everyone and everything except those responsible for the violence, and offered absolutely nothing to address the violence. Biden delivered neo-liberal word salad. After three months of destruction, rioting, and looting some yahoo has finally shot people with an AR-15 rifle. That's Joe Biden's cue to deliver a spittle-spewing rant that doesn't address anything and promises to do absolutely nothing. There'll be czars, commissions, hearings, and poison pills tossed across the aisles in Congress. And some tiny group of nutjobs in South Carolina waving Confederate battle flags will be blamed for the rioting in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, and Kenosha.
Joe Biden is a bullshit artist. Neo-liberal Democrats can't find their way out of a restroom without two maps, GPS, and a Sherpa guide. And putting a neo-liberal Democrat back in the White House will open the door for neo-liberal Republicans to return. Joe Biden will be very good for Mitt Romney; who knows maybe Romney can run for President again.
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These protests remind me of a virus, maybe they should be treated the way some want to treat the virus; lockdowns, limits on crowds, muzzles, keep your distance stay home
Actually the violent protests have superseded the virus as a campaign issue. A serious consequence for the democrats.
Too easy so it probably won't happen
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No, they are never Trumpers!
As to the question pertaining to the current location of the 'so called moderate democrats'. At this point, the most apparent and logical answer to that question would be, 'they have had their ranks bolstered by patriotic republicans'. Or at the very least by those who are unable to stomach the Trump any longer.
Define what a "moderate" Democrat is and how their policies differ from those of a "moderate" Republican.
Then I will decide what I am and whether to engage in conversation.
As a symbol of my sincerity, I offer a house warming gift of a Pew Poll on partisan conflict.
Would a moderate description of either party at the very least include those who will not justify giving the government the authority and power to force a woman or family to bear a child against their will?
While the politicians seem forced to take either a pro choice or pro life stance, the population does not necessarily follow.
There are pro-life Democrats and pro-choice Republican s.
So that alone would not be a decision factor in telling them apart.
Still begs the question, "Should the government have the power to force child birth against the parent's will?"
It seems our more moderate democrats may just be readers who never engage in conversation.
Today Joe Biden made a pitch for moderates, but he had to contradict himself on fracking and double down on denouncing leftist violence.
Good Night.