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Although antisemitism has existed for millenia, it has neither receded nor changed its pervading modern times and western "civilized" countries - and in fact is increasing monumentally.

Antisemitism is nothing new to me. 80 years ago, when I was an infant, my parents bought a home 3 houses away from a "restricted" community called "Westdale" in Hamilton, Ontario. "Restricted" meant that the land titles of the properties contained a restriction that the properties were not permitted to be sold to Jews (something that Abbas is imposing on Palestinians today). However, the public school I attended was a short block away (within the restricted zone) and, besides my brother, I was one of 3 Jews attending that school. Every once in a while we would get beaten up by a gang of bullies for no reason other than we were Jewish, but when I complained to the school principal, he slapped my palm with a ruler for "snitching".

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George R. Allan Public School, Hamilton, Ontario  (K-8)

There was lots of snow back then and I wanted to ski, but the only place within a reasonable distance that had a ski tow was a private club that displayed the sign "No dogs or Jews allowed" - I saw that sign with my very own eyes. There was a hill nearby with no tow, so although I never became a good skier, I was an expert in herringbone hill climbing. It was around then that Canada's Prime Minister McKenzie King, when asked how many Jewish refugees would he permit to immigrate to Canada, his iconic words, that have become the title of a history of the times, were "None is too many." Trudeau has only recently apologized for Canada's part in refusing Jewish immigrants.

Not very long before I attended university, it was a rare occasion that a Jew would be accepted into Medical, Dental, Engineering and Architectural courses - there was a "quota" system (perhaps something like what Harvard is imposing on Asian students these days). Even during my late teens, Jewish golfers were not permitted to join the beautiful golf and country clubs surrounding our city, but could only play on the rather drab municipal course, so the golfers in our Jewish community had to purchase land and create their own golf and country club. Enough of personal experiences - other Jewish NT members can relate theirs if they wish, but I do not blame them for remaining under cover. Sadly Jonathan P is no longer with us, because his comments were always intelligent and reasonalble.

Among upper-middle and upper classes antisemitism was not something to be vociferous about, but to be kept quiet, whispered among themselves and displayed in "quiet" ways. The perfect example of that was a 1947 movie called "Gentleman's Agreement" which starred Gregory Peck as a gentile journalist who pretended he was Jewish for 6 months in order to learn about that "quiet" antisemitism before writing an article about his experiences with it, like getting turned away from a hotel he was checking into and being steered elsewhere. I believe that fictional hotel was modeled after Arthur Godfrey's Miami Beach Kenilworth Hotel which was known by us at that time to have been "restricted"

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(Screenshot from Gentleman's Agreement, showing Peck at hotel being asked "Are you...?" )

Antisemitism isn't kept so "quiet" any more. When Adolph made it a popular cause its tentacles reached out all over Europe encouraging the turning in of neighbour Jews to the Nazis. The "Final Solution" was arrived at and the movie "Schindler's List" illustrates it as well as any movie past and present has done.

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(Screenshot from Schindler's List showing young boy hiding in toilet sewage from deportation to death camp.)

An example of Europeans assisting in the Nazis' torturing and murdering Jews is depicted by a Polish doctor carrying out castrations and sterilizations in the TV movie "QB VII", scripted from the novel of that name by Leon Uris. QB VII stands for "Queen's Bench Courtroom 7" where a libel trial takes place.

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(Screenshot from QB VII, Anthony Hopkins playing the Polish doctor at the trial.)

I enjoy movies with trials and both that one and "Judgment at Nuremberg" are excellent reminders of what the Nazis did to Jews and others. The performances of the all-star cast in Judgment at Nuremberg were sensational and Maximillian Schell well deserved the best actor Oscar for his performance.

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(Screenshot from Judgment at Nuremberg showing Maximillian Schell as German defence counsel.)

However, sometimes what the Nazis did to the Jews was bound to be a snake that turned around and bit them where it hurt. Retribution I would not wish for happened to the son of the Commander of an extermination camp in "The Boy With The Striped Pajamas".

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(Screenshot from "The Boy...Pajamas" showing the Death Camp Commander's son playing checkers through the Camp's barbed wire fence with a prisoner - both are 8 years old.)

Although Great Britain limited the number of Jewish Refugees allowed to enter Palestine in order to placate the Arabs, refugee Jews were kept in internment camps in Cyprus, but as the expression goes (which happened to be the Latin motto of the private school I attended) " Vella Est Posse " i.e. To will is to be able - or in more modern language "Where there's a will, there's a way". The movie "Exodus" is a fine example of what took place during the days approaching and around the passing of the UN declaration of Partition. It is another movie using a script drawn from a novel by Leon Uris.

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(Screenshot from Exodus - the ship loaded with Jewish refugees intent on sailing to Israel.)

One might wonder why Jews feel safe in Israel while they are constantly under attack by Palestinians, especially Hamas, and threatened by Iran and its terrorist proxy Hezbollah, but for some reason they do feel safe, and having been to Israel more than one time, I felt it myself. Every Jew is aware now that even if there were no countries left in the world in which they would feel safe, and be protected, they would at least be welcome, safe and protected in "The Homeland of the Jews".

And when I said protected, I meant it. Jews who were forced out of Arab countries when Partition happened were welcomed to settle in Israel, because the UN did not create an UNRWA for them although they were about equal in number to the Arabs who left Israel. The Jews who are fleeing France, and Sweden, and England because of the increasing antisemitic attacks carried out against them are protected in Israel, and Israel goes all out to protect Jews wherever they are threatened, as they did, which was made into a movie called "Raid on Entebbe", when Israelis rescued Jews whose plane was hijacked.

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(Screenshot from Raid on Entebbe)

Benjamin Netanyahu lost his brother in that rescue, and I think that when that happens, it develops a resolve and determination that many criticize - but IMO Israel needs in order to survive.

In my opinion actual anti-Semites have been freed to give vent to their antisemitic feelings and rants because of the existence of Israel - they now feel more encouraged to come out of the closet because they can disguise their antisemitism as anti-Zionism or anti-Israel or anti-Israel's government. (Example: "It's not the Jewish people I hate, it's that warmonger land-stealing apartheid Israel government. After all, some of my best friends are Jews.") But is being critical of Israel, or its government or leader always antisemitic? Not necessarily. On this I agree with the explanations given by the ADL and the definitions of antisemitism, anti-Zionism and anti-Israel outlined in this ADL article, so don't accuse me of anything different, but if you do, then YOU'RE the one who is wrong. That is what I believe.

Nowhere Man will be posting the seven movies I have mentioned in this article, some of which are very long, one at a time, so if you have not seen them, then please watch them, and you will then have the opportunity to discuss your feelings about them, and about this topic.

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Buzz of the Orient
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1  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

And as the cycle of antisemitism goes around, its growth abounds.

 
 
 
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1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    6 years ago

1947 Gentleman's Agreement

Gregory Peck is slick as a writer for a publisher who is trying to find something to inspire him after his wife dies. He must take care of his young son and has his mother in New York to help him out. Anti-Semitism hits a chord as WWII has just ended with news of the Holocaust just barely starting to sink into the national consciousness. The timing for release of this movie is obvious, but it is carefully thought out as the director tries to convey the sinister and insidious way in which prejudice worms its way into the mainstream of everyday life. A well done film that works! A clever and intelligent portrayal that deserved the attention it received. Not an entertaining movie in the strictest sense, but one where the audience must do the work of thinking their way through it. It is a film worth navigating, however, because the ugly mirror of prejudice is held up to us all who are watching. It makes you feel uncomfortable because most of us are guilty of witnessing prejudice but we end up doing nothing about it.

I recommend this film, but it won't be for everyone and many of us would rather just pass this one by. But we shouldn't even though it holds up this mirror making us feel guilty and uncomfortable. Prejudice, anti-Semitism and discrimination are clearly represented, and these elements are worked out well. A disturbing but intelligent portrayal which is worth taking in for the representation of how prejudice gains it's horror in little insidious ways.

 
 
 
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1.1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1    6 years ago

The Holocaust is undoubtedly one of the most significant and horrifying events of the twentieth century. Between 1938 and 1945, the Jewish population was segregated and persecuted, culminating in the merciless slaughter of approximately six million Jews (this figure is quoted in the film, though most historical estimates vary between five and seven million). Amidst all this butchery, one man decided to make a difference, famously saving the lives of more than 1100 Jews- men, women and children who would otherwise have been killed.

Oskar Schindler (played brilliantly by Liam Neeson) was a Sudeten German industrialist, a wealthy womanizer who wasn't afraid to throw his money around. Always bearing his Nazi Party badge proudly, Schindler would often frequent nightclubs, extravagantly showering high-ranked Nazi officers and their girlfriends with champagne and caviar. With impeccable connections in the black-market, there was little that he couldn't get his hands on, and he was a good person to know. Buying friends was something that Schindler could do well, and he would often use these newfound alliances to aid his own business ventures. When thousands of the Polish Jew population was relegated to the Kraków Ghetto in 1941, Schindler saw an opportunity for further success, enlisting desperate Jewish investors and employing Jewish workers (who were substantially cheaper to employ) to open an enamelware factory. His connections in high places ensured lucrative army contracts, and Schindler need only have watched as his personal fortune grew, despite doing little to run the company beyond offering it "a certain panache."

It is clear from the beginning that Oskar Schindler does not harbour any racial prejudices. When Schindler requests the services of Itzhak Stern (a superb Ben Kingsley), a clever, humanitarian Jewish accountant, Stern declares that, "By law I have to tell you, sir, I'm a Jew." "Well, I'm a German, so there we are," replies Schindler indifferently, before getting straight to business. It is not race that he is concerned with, it is himself and, of course, his money. Stern does not enjoy running Schindler's business, and he initially acquires little satisfaction from it. When Schindler attempts to convey his genuine gratitude for his profitable services with a glass of whiskey, Stern absentmindedly refuses to drink it, and an embittered Schindler drinks it himself before ordering Stern to leave.

With the arrival of Amon Goeth (played as the epitome of evil by Ralph Fiennes), a Hauptsturmführer of the SS, the hopeless plight of the Jews grows darker. In a harrowing extended sequence, largely based on the testimonies of Holocaust survivors, the Jews are mercilessly "liquidated" from the Krakow Ghetto, many simply shot on the spot. "Today is history," proclaims Goeth. "Today will be remembered. Years from now the young will ask with wonder about this day. Today is history and you are part of it. For six centuries there has been a Jewish Krakow. By this evening those six centuries will be a rumor. They never happened. Today is history."

This sequence also marks the celebrated appearance of the little girl in the red coat. An ingenious plot device, the character was based upon a real girl named Roma Ligocka who, unlike her film counterpart, survived the war, and wrote a memoir entitled "The Girl in the Red Coat: A Memoir". The embodiment of innocence, Schindler spots the small girl wandering amongst the black-and-white chaos of the Krakow Ghetto, and we follow her as she retreats into a building and takes shelter under a bed. When Schindler later notices her disheveled corpse carted past him to be incinerated, he is understandably horrified, unable to understand how the soldiers could possibly destroy something so innocent. This event memorably signifies the turning-point of Schindler's attitudes towards the carnage, fuelling his desire to save as many Jews as possible.

1993 Schindler's List

- Part 1

- Part 2

(I had to break it into two parts to keep it viewable)

"Schindler's List" is Steven Spielberg's most mature directorial effort. Working with a screenplay that Steven Zaillian adapted from Thomas Keneally's Booker Prize-winning 'Schindler's Ark,' Spielberg treats the subject matter with the respect it deserves. Wisely choosing to depict the events as realistically as possible, Spielberg allows the images to speak for themselves. Flawless acting, stunning cinematography and a haunting John Williams score excel this film above all others of the 1990s. This is the powerful story of the difference that just one man can make, and it is a story that deserves to be seen by all.

 
 
 
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1.1.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.1    6 years ago

My ex-wife and I went to see Schindler's List in a Toronto movie theatre when it was first released.  The theatre was full, and although I went to movie theatres often during my life, this was the only time that at the end of a movie, NOBODY in the theatre got up and left until the credits finished rolling and the theatre lights were turned on.  Virtually everyone in the theatre was stunned, paralyzed.  Never before, nor ever after, have I seen that happen. 

 
 
 
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1.1.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.1    6 years ago

The lives of two men, vastly different in their beliefs and in their lifestyles, come head to head in this sprawling mini-series, based on a novel by (and real life event in the life of) Leon Uris. Anthony Hopkins plays a doctor and former concentration camp prisoner who, while in captivity, was compelled to aid the Nazis in operations related to their horrific human experiments. He is briefly charged as a willing compliance in war atrocities, but is found innocent. He then takes his wife (Leslie Caron) and son to Kuwait where he works tirelessly to make a difference in the world of the less fortunate. Eventually, he is knighted by the Queen for his efforts. Meanwhile, Abe Cady (Ben Gazzara) plays an American Jew who volunteered in the RAF Eagle Squadron During WWII and is shot down. He courts his nurse (Juliet Mills), eventually marrying her, and becomes a celebrated writer. Eventually, he is compelled to write about the Holocaust and when he does, his reference to Adam Kelno (Hopkins) in the book sparks a libel suit from the now-decorated doctor.

A 1974 three part TV Mini-Series, The first two parts sets the backgrounds of the two protagonists; Abe Cady, An American writer who was a WWII flyer with the RAF's Eagle Squadron and Dr Adam Kelno, a polish doctor who provided medical services at the direction of the Nazi's in the polish ghetto eventually winding up doing medical experiments in the camps. The Third part is the libel trial of Abe cause in a novel he wrote he names Dr Kelno as a Nazi collaborator and of performing medical experiments and sterilizations on the Jewish prisoners of the camps

The climax of the film is a tense and agonizing court trial at Queen's Bench Seven (hence, the title) as Gazzara tries to prove that Hopkins is guilty while Hopkins strives to keep his name clean.

This mini-series set the pace for all mini-series to come. Fortunately, once the pre-history of the men is finally established, the courtroom scenes make up for the tedium of the early sections. Hopkins is wonderful. He invests the character with a wealth of expression and mystery, especially as the case wears on. Gazzara comes across nicely several times. Juliet Mills won an Emmy for her sensitive, appealing work. It's a memorable mini-series due to the striking nature of the case, it's place in TV history and the work of Hopkins and a few others. Some of the sequences alluded to and shown are just as unsettling and horrifying in today's "seen-it-all" world as they must have been in 1974, with the tour of the actual camp and the visit to a Holocaust memorial particularly vivid. Many viewers will be put off by the pace of the scenes in the mid-section, but those who stick with it will find value in the courtroom climax.

1974 QB VII

- parts 1 & 2

- part 3

This was a land-breaking mini-series -- fine actors, quality cinematography, and superb production values. Anthony Quayle, Ben Gazzara, Jack Hawkins, Lee Remick and Anthony Hopkins are outstanding. TV was challenging the Hollywood film industry at the time in producing serious extended drama, and this time they scored. Note that some real survivors of the Holocaust (the actual atrocities of the real-life doctor on which the story is based) appeared in minor parts. Jack Hawkins had undergone surgery on his throat, and played his role struggling with a disability. Also, some extended courtroom dialog was shot in one take, since the actors (most notably Anthony Quayle) were so pumped about the roles they were playing. Many may have forgotten this outstanding (early) performance (as the hapless Adam Kelno) by Anthony Hopkins.

Enjoy.

NWM

 
 
 
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1.1.4  Nowhere Man  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.3    6 years ago

"My counsel says we were not aware of the extermination of the millions. He would give you the excuse: We were only aware of the extermination of the hundreds."

This quote is one of the most shocking and yet truthful quotes I have ever heard. It is one of many shocking and intense quotes in the movie. Furthermore Judgment at Nuremberg is one of the most absorbing movies I have seen. Even though most if not all of it is dialog it is very much a haunting film. This film is loosely based on the trials in Nuremberg in 1948. Right from the start the movie captures your mind and never lets it go.

Beyond its compelling subject matter "Judgement At Nuremberg" revolutionizes the court room drama genre. The camera swings and swerves and dives between the lines of this exemplary Abby Mann script. Stanley Kramer conducts his orchestra of iconic stars with the precision of a Swiss watchmaker. The language barriers and the confinement of the action masterfully resolved. Spencer Tracy is simply magnificent and, as per usual, we believe every word that comes out of his mouth. His judge is an American monument of unsentimental humanity. Twenty-nine year old Maximilian Schell won the Oscar as best actor and his performance survived the test of time with the vigor of his conviction. Montgomery Cliff makes his short minutes on the screen, one of those memorable moments that nobody that has ever seen it will be able to forget. The man and the character merging into one chilling, shattering truth. "I am half the man I've ever been" Marlene Dietrich gives to her German aristocrat a legendary star quality. And Judy Garland, overweight and almost unrecognizable breaks your heart and gets her last Oscar nomination. My only troubles came with the stoic Burt Lancaster because I could never forget it was Burt Lancaster and with Richard Widmark's strident prosecutor. Judgement At Nuremberg never ceases to amaze me that no matter the darkness of the subject it always manages to entertain and inspire.

The acting was collectively amazing. It is not just the fact that this is a star studded cast that made it so great, it was the way everyone appeared to blend in together. Maximilian Schell gave the performance of his life in this film playing the defense lawyer for Burt Lancaster who give two superb narratives that will certainly stay in your mind forever. Schell's character use of logic is that of something which will mesmerize use you whether or not you agree or disagree with what he says. Richard Widmark playing the prosecutor gave the type of supporting performance that was necessary for Schell to shine. The way both actors fed off each other was a joy to watch. Then of course the tiny appearances of Garland and Clift were excellent and worth every second they spent on camera. Then of course Spencer Tracy and Marlene Dietrich provided such great presence were perfect for the lead.

The direction of Stanley Kramer was spectacular as the film intensified more and more as it wore on. It was always engrossing and never let up. The writing of Abby Mann was great, filled up with great material and narratives allowing every actor in the cast to give a superb performance. There were many memorable quotes as well. The writing carried the film forward and allowed all the potential and talent to push this film to another level.

1961 Judgement at Nuremberg

- Part 1

- Part 2

Judgement at Nuremberg is not just another movie. It is a very thought provoking movie. More than that though it is haunting. Just thinking about the course of the events being talked about in the movie became subtly haunting in a way I really didn't expect. What was the most compelling though was the way we need to separate what we feel with what has to be truly done, with what is truly right.

 
 
 
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1.1.5  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.3    6 years ago

(This comment is with reference to QB VII although due to NT's inherent system it could not be posted directly under it.)

I think it is relevant to point out that although he was a prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp, Dr. Kelno was a gentile.

I have only seen the movie version of this story, which is very much shorter, and may not have so much of the tedium that you have described, but I am certainly looking forward to watching the full mini-series version.

To me, the performance by Edith Evans, as psychiatrist Dr. Parmentier, was exceptional.  A minor benefit of the movie is an excellent opportunity to view the famed magnificent stained glass Marc Chagall windows at the Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem.

 
 
 
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1.1.6  Nowhere Man  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.5    6 years ago

QB VII is not that bad, not really my cup of tea but it does have some very good moments.... I think it dwells too much on the character aspects of the two protagonists but the trial aspects of it are great...... and a young Anthony Hopkins......

Well worth watching....

 
 
 
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1.1.7  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.3    6 years ago

Having only seen part 3 previously, it was interesting to watch part 1, in particular when the desert Sheik said to Kelno that it appeared his exuberance seemed to indicate an attempt to get over something that he did in the past - a very perceptive statement.

 
 
 
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1.1.8  Nowhere Man  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.4    6 years ago

I thought it was a fantastic idea having a movie based around the war through a naive child's eyes. What this film showed to me was how when you remove the political, racial and cultural issues from people there is potential for us all to get along.

This film is not for the people lacking in intelligence out there. It does not contain scenes of people killing each other every minute of the film; neither does it contain sex every five minutes.

This film is one to think about. It contains a very strong message about friendships and how they can form in the most unlikely environment. The final scene is both devastating and powerful. If you are looking for a film to get the grey matter working, and the tears flowing then get to watching. The main character played the role of 'innocence' beautifully and his non judgmental eyes make my heart flutter at the thought that during such barbaric times compassion could still live within humans.

No movie I have ever seen comes close to this. It still gives me chills just thinking about it. If there is one movie that you NEED to see, make it this one. You will not regret seeing this one.

There isn't that much visible violence; it was inferred and this effect makes it even more horrific. All of the characters are played wonderfully and everything is very realistic and believable. If you have seen Schindler's List, and/or Sophie's Choice, you should definately see this movie. This is, in my opinion, one of the best movies of 2008.

2008 The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas

I highly recommend this movie for any adult, though this film is based around Nazi Germany and the Jews, the ideas behind it can apply to any destructive situation that is going on in the world today.

This is a complete work of fiction, but, that being said, I am still in absolute shock from this film even though it's only the second time I have ever watched it.

NWM

 
 
 
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1.1.9  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.7    6 years ago

I have just completed watching parts 1 and 2 of the QB VII miniseries, for the first time. I have to say that it made me more sympathetic for Dr. Kelno than it did for the egotistical arrogant unfaithful Abe Cady. It will take watching part 3 again to remind me that, as his son told him, Dr. Kelno was a monster. 

The final part of part 2 reminded me of the fact that I, too, prayed at the Wailing Wall and planted a note in the cracks between the stones. It brought me to tears to see again, what I saw with my own eyes 18 years ago, the Yad Vashem memorial to The Holocaust. Every anti-Semite should be dragged through that place.

 
 
 
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1.1.10  Nowhere Man  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.9    6 years ago

Amen Brother....

 
 
 
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1.1.11  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.8    6 years ago

It seems, NWM, that I should have handed out ten foot poles to the NT members, because so far only a few have posted a comment, even a thumbs up, to indicate that they read or watched any of this.  Perhaps they are awaiting the posting of all the movies.  At the end of Schindler's list, many of the actual surviving "Schindler Jews" who were still alive walked past his grave and put a stone on his monument as an indication that they were there to visit him, to give thanks to him and for him....

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I only hope that this article and the movies will have some positive effect, especially on those whose sympathies lie elsewhere...

 
 
 
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1.1.12  Nowhere Man  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.11    6 years ago

Well, I'm about to post the last two. we will have to see what happens I guess. This is a subject that a lot of people have no care to discuss given their sympathies.....

 
 
 
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1.1.13  Nowhere Man  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.8    6 years ago

Contrary to what some believe, the British did not "plant" Jews in Palestine after World War I. The British did capture great portions of the Middle East from the Turks, and actively favored the founding of a Jewish state in their ancient homeland. But after most Arab leaders expressed great consternation at the idea of a Jewish homeland, and Arab religious leaders in Palestine began to preach violence against the Jews, the British limited Jewish immigration severely. In the 1930s, ships carrying refugees from Nazi Germany were stopped by the British and turned back to their ports. After the war, the British returned to their policies of rejecting and hindering Jewish immigration to Palestine even though many European nations were actively driving Jewish refugees out of their countries. This created the situation depicted in this movie, with Jewish Holocaust survivors being denied entrance to what would eventually become Israel, and being kept in camps in Cyprus.

Paul Newman plays the lead role of a Jewish freedom fighter. Although he was already a rising star in 1960, his performance here is difficult to evaluate without recalling all the other great characters of his career that were still ahead of him -- "The Hustler," "Cool Hand Luke," "Hombre," "Butch and Sundance" and "The Sting" -- He's hardly remembered for this role at all today, and though even he isn't in every scene in a sweeping epic like this, it's hard to look at the movie without remembering all that he would become later.

What stands out today more than Newman's performance, are the many secondary characters -- Sal Mineo as the tortured survivor of Auschwitz with secrets that lead him to the Irgun (and a performance that would earn him his second and last Oscar nomination); David Opatoshu as a Menachem Begin-like figure who believes violence is better than negotiation; and Jill Haworth, all of 15 at the time, and who would have a bevy of ingénue roles into the 1960s. In particular, this was a great role for David Opatoshu, who is probably best remembered today for his many guest shots on television, in everything from "Twilight Zone" and "Mission:Impossible" to "Star Trek" and "Hawaii Five-O". In the role of Akiva Ben Canaan, commander of the Irgun, (based on the real-life Menachem Begin, who later became Prime Minister of Israel, Opatoshu also directly portrayed Begin in "Raid on Entebbe" in 1976). It's worth remembering that he came out of Yiddish Theater and was a controlled, subtle performer who rarely got the kind of meaty role that he had here.

So, while it's mainly remembered today for Ernest Gold's stirring theme music, "Exodus", it's interesting watch as a window into a different time and a different way of thinking.

1960 Exodus

- Part 1

- Part 2

Seeing "Exodus" today, early in the 21st century, one is robbed of the experience that moviegoers of the early '60s would have had; it's impossible to see a movie about the birth of Israel now without the perspective of the Six-Day War of 1967, and the almost constant struggle with the Palestinians and Arabs which changed the perception many non-Jews had of Israel. Perceptions that have eroded the moral assurance of some that many of the main characters of "Exodus" espouse about Israel and its founding, and would eventually lead to the moral quagmire found today amongst many. This movie today reminds us that the "Jewish Question" so alive in the thirties is still alive today and we must be very much on guard to prevent what happened in the '40's from happening again.

Enjoy....

NWM

 
 
 
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1.1.14  Nowhere Man  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.13    6 years ago

This is a compelling true story of a daring Israeli commando assault on Entebbe Airport in Uganda to free hostages of a terrorist hijacking. The plane is landed in Uganda but the Israelis agree to negotiate as a ploy for time. The story moves into the planning of "Operation Thunderbolt" An IDF war plan which was a contingency small unit operation on a fortified position. One of the most successful military operations in history.

An Air France flight from Greece is hijacked by the PFLP, the plane has about 100 Jewish passengers. An all star cast give fine performances, Charles Bronson, Yaphet Kotto, Peter Finch, Martin Balsam, Horst Buchholz, John Saxon, Jack Warden, Sylvia Sidney, Robert Loggia, Eddie Constantine, David Opatoshu, Stephen Macht, and a young James Woods. This was Peter Finch's final acting role, he would receive a posthumous Emmy nomination. Special mention to actor Yaphet Kotto, he plays Ugandan President Idi Amin, Kotto is actually Jewish. As most of this film was shot at the Stockton Airport in California, it's very obvious that the production had the assistance of the California National Guard that has a facility there. The C-130's are all National Guard aircraft, their camouflage being very different from that of Israel. All of the ground vehicles were of national guard origin also. The Air France Flight Crew shown in the film, with the exception of the pilot, were the actual crew who flew the aircraft in the movie.

The picture is based on real events, as follows:

  • Operation Entebbe was a mission carried out by commandos of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at Entebbe Airport in Uganda on 4 July 1976.
  • A week earlier, on 27 June, an Air France plane with 248 passengers was hijacked by members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and flown to Entebbe, the main airport of Uganda. The Ugandan government supported the hijackers and dictator Idi Amin personally welcomed them.
  • The hijackers separated the Jewish Israelis and forced them into another room.
  • That afternoon, 47 non-Israeli hostages were released.
  • The next day, 101 more non-Israeli hostages were allowed to leave onboard the highjacked Air France aircraft.
  • More than 100 Jewish passengers, along with the non-Jewish Air France Captain Bacos, remained as hostages.
  • The hijackers threatened to kill the hostages if their prisoner release demands were not met.
  • This threat led to the planning of the rescue operation.
  • These plans included preparation for armed resistance from Ugandan military troops.
  • The operation took place at night. Israeli transport planes carried 100 commandos over 2,500 miles (4,000 km) to Uganda for the rescue operation. The operation, which took a week of planning, lasted 90 minutes. 102 hostages were rescued.
  • Five Israeli commandos were wounded and one, the unit commander, Lt. Col. Yonatan Netanyahu, was killed.
  • All the hijackers, three hostages and 45 Ugandan soldiers were killed, and thirty Soviet-built MiG-17s and MiG-21s of Uganda's air force were destroyed.
  • the Kenyan government supported Israel by providing logistic support, and in the aftermath of the operation Idi Amin issued orders to retaliate and slaughtered several hundred Kenyan citizens present in Uganda simply cause they were Kenyan.
  • Operation Entebbe, which had the military codename Operation Thunderbolt, is sometimes referred to retroactively as Operation Jonathan in memory of the unit's leader, Yonatan Netanyahu. He was the older brother of Benjamin Netanyahu, the current Prime Minister of Israel.
  • At the end of the film The narrator states that it's unknown what happened to Dora Bloch -played by Sylvia Sidney-, who had been taken to the hospital. Recovering before the raid, she was never seen again afterwards.
  • It was later learned that she was murdered in Kampala. Her remains were found outside of Kampala in 1979 and were returned to Israel for burial.

1976 Raid on Entebbe

A made for TV movie that is historically accurate, Raid on Entebbe is engrossing and exciting to watch. The actual raid on Entebbe was itself a very daring rescue, and it translates extremely well to film. Even though you know the outcome in advance, you will find yourself wanting to stay with the film until the end. The actors are all excellent, and the sets extremely realistic. Yaphet Kotto gives a great performance as Idi Amin, portraying the Ugandan president as mix of grandstander, egomaniac, and thinly disguised madman; the movie is worth watching for Kotto's performance alone. While made almost 42 years ago, Raid on Entebbe remains an exciting film that has aged well and is still very enjoyable to watch.

And is a reminder of a very valuable life's lesson. As much as you confront bullies to deal with them permanently, you never, NEVER negotiate with terrorists, it only gets you more terror.

Enjoy....

NWM

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.15  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.14    6 years ago

Forest Whitaker also did an amazing depiction of Idi Amin in The Last King of Scotland, for which he won the Oscar, Golden Globe, and many others.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.16  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.15    6 years ago

The performance by Whitaker was outstanding..One of the best I've ever seen. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.17  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @1.1.16    6 years ago

No doubt, I'll post it when it's time to take down these....

My first recollection of Forrest was when he played a doofus US marshal trying to collect a US Army officer in Hong Kong attending the Kumite championship.... what was the name of that thing.......

Bloodsport!  yeah a Van Damme kickflic....... it wasn't a stellar role but there was just this something about him that told me he was one to watch.....

A great actor and overall good person....

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.18  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.17    6 years ago

I enjoyed his performence in Good Morning Vietnam, The Crying Game and Bird. 

A huge huge talent. 

BTW, thanks for posting the movies that you have thus far. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.8    6 years ago

This is a very powerful movie and the ending just blew me away

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.11    6 years ago

I would have commented before now, but you had the article locked....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.13    6 years ago

I love this movie. I read the book and then saw the movie.

I need to watch it again. I wonder if I can find it on TCM

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.22  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @1.1.18    6 years ago
BTW, thanks for posting the movies that you have thus far. 

Much appreciated my friend, hopefully we can develop it into a regular thing.....

Just a few little things left to iron out.....

Thank you....

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.23  Nowhere Man  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.21    6 years ago

It's a very good movie, with a young Paul Newman before he became a superstar.

I don't believe it is up on TCM right at this moment but it's usually played there from time to time....

Their entry page...

Exodus TCM ....

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.24  Nowhere Man  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.19    6 years ago

The ending does shock you....... Once you've seen it you will never forget it....

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.25  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.14    6 years ago

Of these movies the only ones I watched were the Judgement at Nuremberg (I was only following orders), Exodus and Raid on Entebbe.

I recall sequences of the first and third of the group.  I was very young when watching the first 2 and watched the third a few years after it was released.

How long will these be available to watch?

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.26  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @1.1.25    6 years ago

I usually leave them up a week, the first movie, Gentleman's Agreement, has been up 6 days.

But, since they are part of an article illustrating a theme I'll leave them all for the full seven days which has five more days to run....

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.27  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.26    6 years ago

Thank you NWM.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.28  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @1.1.27    6 years ago

Much appreciated Dave....

THANK YOU!

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.29  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.28    6 years ago

So far I got through part 1 of Nuremberg. What occurred to me early on was what I remember most was the airing of the actual trials. Really, very little of the movie.

A lot of things on the board recently have rekindled memories of mom and this is one. We had to go to a neighbors house to watch. It may have been a PBS channel. I was very young. My mom translated for the neighbor, who was interested in the trials.

I don't remember any of the translation. All I recall was seeing a room of people and individuals undergoing interrogation. I think they were behind glass.

My moms voice was angry the whole time. She was never angry like that normally. I never had a desire to watch it since.

Part 2 of the movie tomorrow.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1.30  Snuffy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.11    6 years ago

Yes, the transition in the movie from the survivors walking over the hill to the actual survivors and children of survivors walking down and placing stones on the grave was a very great and chilling effect. It brought tears

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.31  dave-2693993  replied to  dave-2693993 @1.1.29    6 years ago

So, I watched part 2 yesterday.

Really, I don't know what to say about it other than, it was Hollywood drama. Please, do not misinterpret.

Things that I would not have thought of, even though I was taught about the situation in Europe the time where made obvious for me.

Yet, the hard core truth of details I could not understand as a preschooler while listening to my mom's voice while translating and interjecting her own commentary and more significantly her voice overruled anything the movie could say.

That's about all I can say.

Exodus next. I  know I saw it, now memories or outside influences with regard to interpretation.

Entebbe to follow. Though, much older when I watched this, my perspective was technical. I recall incoherent things in the movie. What distracted me at the time was, I thought there were too many technical inaccuracies in the movie.

Many years have passed and I am no longer so obsessed in CERTAIN technical inaccuracies. Might be a good timing to watch again.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.32  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @1.1.31    6 years ago

I thought that Schell's performance was exceptional, that Clift was the perfect choice for his part due to his intensity and sensitivity, but I think that what remains with me from the movie were the last lines when Lancaster asks "How did it come to this?" and Tracy replies "It came to this with the first innocent man you sentenced to death." - which is what justified his life sentence.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.33  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.13    6 years ago

I had watched Paul Newman the year before Exodus was released, in The Young Philadelphians, wherein he played a young lawyer, which was more than interesting to me as I was in Law School at the time.  He was pretty good back then as well, and in fact I guess there isn't a role he's played in any movie I've seen where he wasn't pretty good.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.34  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.32    6 years ago
I think that what remains with me from the movie were the last lines when Lancaster asks "How did it come to this?"

I agree, this was weighty, but to be honest I thought was telegraphed. Please do not misinterpret.

Similar with the situation with Frau Bertholt, as much as the opposite was hoped for.

It seems movies like these are often out of reach. FX and Action is the crutch to sell tickets these days.

Well, time for Exodus Part 1.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.35  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @1.1.34    6 years ago

LOL. You should never use the expression "To be honest" because then what will everyone think of what you say when you DON'T use that expression.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.36  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.35    6 years ago

LMAO. Then obviously, I must be a rat bastard liar in the other instances.

Seriously, I guess in my use of the phrase, it is more of a term to mean, I am sorry, but I can not pull any punches on what I am about to say.

That's all.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.37  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @1.1.36    6 years ago

Hey, enjoy Exodus.  Maybe it will convince you and your "Israeli actress Gal Gadot resembling beautiful wife" to go work on a kibbutz.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.38  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.33    6 years ago

Part 1 of Exodus finished.

Strangely enough the very first thing to catch my eye were the .303 Enfields strung over the shoulders of the sentries in the very first scene. The first thing my eye caught.

I enjoyed it. Wish I had a translator of actual events like I did with Nuremberg.

Of course movies are mostly drama. This drama was compelling.

The mind can't help but think of the things in the background.

Fancy hotel, Irgun, talk of blowing up British installations...will they tell the truth? Will they actually tell the truth?

Stay tuned for Part 2.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.39  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.37    6 years ago
Maybe it will convince you and your "Israeli actress Gal Gadot resembling beautiful wife" to go work on a kibbutz.

Well, she said she will follow me anywhere.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.40  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @1.1.39    6 years ago

Good woman there....

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.41  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.40    6 years ago

Really, just when I as at the bottom, I wound up with the most wonderful gift I could never even imagine.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.42  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @1.1.41    6 years ago

Me too.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.43  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.40    6 years ago

Here is an older picture of her when playing with hair tints and wearing an old dress of her mom's. She just ooozes with everything good that makes the world go 'round.

800

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.44  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.42    6 years ago

Yes, I have seen as much.

Congratulations to you and your wife.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.45  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @1.1.41    6 years ago

Same here.....

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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1.1.46  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.45    6 years ago

Congratulations. Such things make life so much more enjoyable.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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2  Dean Moriarty    6 years ago

Like that movie Exodus I have a friends where that same thing happened to them. The woman was in three concentration camps prior to being sent to the camp in Cyprus. Both her and her husband still workout at my gym and he must be close to 98. I think she is five years younger. I used to sit next to her when she would use the rowing machine and she would tell me about her time in the camps. The last time I saw her this summer she told me they were about to celebrate their seventieth wedding anniversary. They spend their summers here in Colorado and winters in Arizona. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2    6 years ago

There are so few Holocaust survivors left.  When there are none, it will be easier for the deniers.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

Got very tired early, so I'm locking this article for the night.  It's a little after 9:30 pm where I am, but I will reopen it in about 10 or 11 hours.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

This article is now unlocked for the day (MY day, not yours. LOL)

 
 
 
PJ
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5  PJ    6 years ago

I have a very difficult time watching movies that depict what happened to the Jews.  It's too emotional for me and it makes me angry and cry.  I will never understand how any human being can do that to another human being....never.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  PJ @5    6 years ago

You're a good person.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

Since it is after 10 pm where I am and I'm turning off my computer, I am now locking this article for the night and will reopen it in about 9 or 10 hours from now.  I believe that means no comments can be posted, but I think you might still be able to watch the movies. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

Now unlocked.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

Out for the day so I am locking comments. I believe you can still watch the movies.  I will reopen the article for comments in 7 or 8 hours which will be your Saturday morning.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

I'm back. Article is now unlocked. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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10  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

After 10 pm and it's sleepytime - locking comments for the night - reopen in about 9 or 10 hours from now.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

Having just made and enjoyed a great breakfast of scrambled eggs, cherry tomatoes, toast (one with raspberry jam the other with marmalade), a McDonald's style breakfast hash brown (I buy them by the frozen package of 10 - they're made in Canada), 3 pork and cheese sausages (a double sin), coffee and orange juice, I have now reopened this article for comments.  So even if you don't comment, watch the movies.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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12  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

It's almost 10:30 p.m. in my location, so I am now locking this article for the night.  I will reopen it in about 9 or 10 hours. Good morning to most, and good night to only a couple.   I believe you can still watch the movies.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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13  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

Now unlocked for the (my) day.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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14  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

My articles will no longer be locked. We are lucky to have a moderator who is so anxious to show competence in moderating even when not asked to do so that this moderator will reinterpret the ToS and CoC to suit that moderator's intentions notwithstanding those rules are quite clear. I am grateful for that moderator's zeal and attitude so I can sleep at night without worry about problems arising on my articles and seeds.  Thank you, moderator, for being so....so....RESPONSIBLE.

 
 
 
Kavika
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15  Kavika     6 years ago

I've seen all of the movies except ''The Boy in the Striped Pajamas''....Each and everyone one had a profound effect on me. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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15.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @15    6 years ago

Your empathy is fully understandable, and as you know, not only appreciated but also mutual.

In the case of "The Boy.........Pajamas" the sad thing is that the "poetic justice" was directly imposed not upon those who most deserved it, but upon one who least did.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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15.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @15    6 years ago

Profound, is a good word for it.....

TBSP is a movie I will never forget......

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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15.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @15.2    6 years ago

It's heartbreaking and horrifying

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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16  A. Macarthur    6 years ago

I have followed this discussion and I will merely post a fact which Buzz is free to flag … 

Anti-semitism is on the rise, hateful rhetoric is stoking that reality.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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16.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  A. Macarthur @16    6 years ago

Whether or not I would choose to flag that comment depends on your clarifying the ambiguity of whose rhetoric you mean.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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17  Perrie Halpern R.A.    6 years ago

I've seen all these films and each one had a huge effect on me. There is one you should include, "Defiance". It's about the Russian Jews during WWII, and it was nice to see that much like Ester, Jews fighting back. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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17.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @17    6 years ago

I just read the plot on Wikipedia and you're right it is another story that could have been told in this article, but there are many others as well that could have been added. like Sophie's Choice, Life is Beautiful, The Pianist, etc. I never saw Defiance and I doubt that I will unless NWM posts the movie. My father fled from Belarus long before WWII, but I had many relatives there.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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17.1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @17.1    6 years ago

Defiance 2008, Paramount

I have it, will post it on the next round of uploads.....

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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17.1.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @17.1.1    6 years ago

Thank you NWM.  I also mentioned The Young Philadelphians above, in reference to Paul Newman's starring in Exodus - but I found a movie site that I can open, and am right now about half way through watching that movie again - Paul Newman is still great, and that was at least for a long time one of my favourite movies. In fact, when I think about a lot of the movies that Newman did throughout his life, from this one to The Verdict, or The Sting, or Absence of Malice, etc. I realize that John Russell is not wrong in considering him his favourite actor. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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17.1.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @17.1.2    6 years ago

I think some are born with specific talents, and occasionally those with said talents fall right into the perfect occupation to illustrate those talents.....

Paul Newman was one of those talents.....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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17.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @17.1.3    6 years ago

And he's easy on the eyes.....

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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17.1.5  Nowhere Man  replied to  Trout Giggles @17.1.4    6 years ago

I'll have to take your word for that, I'm not schooled, competent or equipped for such considerations....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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17.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @17.1.5    6 years ago

Go get some glasses

lol

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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19  A. Macarthur    6 years ago
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Nowhere Man
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19.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  A. Macarthur @19    6 years ago

I don't think Buzz wanted political stuff in here my friend, Especially about a policy created by the Obama administration....

But your sentiments about such we share no matter who applies or invents it.....

And I think I've found my fourth movie to post, if I can locate it....

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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19.2  dave-2693993  replied to  A. Macarthur @19    6 years ago
I am in no fucking mood for this xenophobic, pander-to-hater bullshit by Trump!

I agree with this too Mac, but I think this immigrant, refugee situation is across the board.

Julia and Irina are about as "white" as anyone can get, though I am 100% positive Julia has some of that Mongol hoard in her blood. I can back that up with photo if you would like.

Refugee immigration was about completely cut off last may. Even during the worst part of the war in the east only around 300 Ukrainian were granted asylum hers when many of us volunteered open doors to house them, Even fly them here.

Our immigration policies have been and continue to be discussing.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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19.2.1  dave-2693993  replied to  dave-2693993 @19.2    6 years ago
continue to be discussing.

DISGUSTING

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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19.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  dave-2693993 @19.2    6 years ago

Are Julia and Irina the young ladies in your avatar photo?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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19.2.3  dave-2693993  replied to  Trout Giggles @19.2.2    6 years ago

Yes.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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20  A. Macarthur    6 years ago

Anti-semitism IS ULTIMATELY political as it can only run rampant and/or escalate in a political/tyrannical/government environment that fails to crush it.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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20.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  A. Macarthur @20    6 years ago

I know that had l mentioned Trump or Atheism in the title to this article it would have made it a more popular destination for comments, in particular from the many members who have nothing other than those topics in their minds and contribute little else to NT, but I did not want it to become a battleground over present American politics, so I didn't.  I'm sure, A.Mac, that you would not want me to post a political rant on your Creative Arts group.  In the past I did post an article I put together about political movies, but this one was more specific, and Nowhere Man was right in his criticism.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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21  author  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

If this is going to become an article about the similarities between what the British did to the Jewish refugees trying to reach Israel and what the American government is doing about the migrants from the south I will lock this article.  It was never my intention that it refer to anything other than how the Jews have been treated in and around the Holocaust and the creation of the State of Israel.  

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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21.1  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @21    6 years ago

Apologies Buzz.

Also, unfortunately, Sunday other things had us occupied and I did not get a chance to watch Exodus Part 2. My Monday schedule has me busy until late, so I will catch it later at night.

I hope Entebbe will be around long enough for me to catch as I am looking forward to seeing it again.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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21.1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @21.1    6 years ago

It will be my friend.....

I will make an announcement when it is time.....

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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21.1.2  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @21.1.1    6 years ago

Thank you Sir.

Much appreciated.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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21.1.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @21.1.2    6 years ago

My pleasure Sir......

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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21.1.4  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @21.1.3    6 years ago

NWM,

We have a technical difficulty with Exodus Part 2.

It continues to stall at 29:58.

It gives 2 audible clangs the stalls.

Hope it can continue. It is kind of, my kind of movie.

Thank you.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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21.1.5  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @21.1.4    6 years ago

will check it out my friend, it has had 17 streams and mine was the first it played fine.... I will run it again and see if it duplicates the issue....

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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21.1.6  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @21.1.4    6 years ago

Ok, it's not doing it for me. I started it at 25:00 and ran it through to 35:00 and it's playing fine....

I would suggest trying it again a little later, may be server lag or something with the internet. Hard to diagnose from this side...

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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21.1.7  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @21.1.6    6 years ago

Thank you NWM. Trying it now.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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21.1.8  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @21.1.6    6 years ago

Yes, thank you NWM. It played after a little fiddling around.

Deserves many words,  yet really speechless at the moment. I'll comment tomorrow before watching Entebbe.

I need to get some history straight before commenting too. There may be a technical error...or maybe not.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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22  A. Macarthur    6 years ago

I deleted my comment but will say that IT IS OFTEN THROUGH THE ARTS THAT SOME OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF REALITY GET TO BE AIRED …

… and discussed with candor that might otherwise be avoided, averted, discouraged, castigated, thwarted, etc. .

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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22.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  A. Macarthur @22    6 years ago
I deleted my comment but will say that IT IS OFTEN THROUGH THE ARTS THAT SOME OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF REALITY GET TO BE AIRED … … and discussed with candor that might otherwise be avoided, averted, discouraged, castigated, thwarted, etc. .

Both very true statements my friend, and I can understand the frustration. Yes it is disgusting that we, living in a free nation of immigrants, have to suffer from the small mindedness of those that lead us......

Someday a real leader will come forward.

The point of the article is to illustrate what Antisemitism is for those who don't know. And given the fact that we see it (and even worse forms of bigotry) on both sides of the political aisle today, we need to be very vigilant lest we get stained by it's hateful rhetoric.

Peace my friend.....

(I've located the Movie and will be posting it)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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22.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  A. Macarthur @22    6 years ago

In keeping with your comment that "IT IS OFTEN THROUGH THE ARTS THAT SOME OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF REALITY GET TO BE AIRED", although some may gain little interest, just as this one did not. It was originally posted by Arch-Man when he was active on NT on his DISCOVERY group, which I now administer.  Not long ago I re-posted this article on Light Unto the Nations group where it unbelievably gained not one comment, and so to illustrate what you have just said I am repeating it here, because in fact it is relevant, not only to this article, but even to the Creative Arts group:

'Haunting' Art By Jewish Children In WW2 Concentration Camp

By Chris Long BBC News


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Helga Weissova, who was 14 when she was liberated, painted the girls' dorm ahead of an inspection by the Red Cross.

A collection of sketches by Jewish children who were held at a concentration camp in the former Czechoslovakia during World War Two is going on show at a Lancashire gallery. The images offer an insight into the experiences of the children, many of whom later died in Nazi death camps.

When art is described as "truly haunting", it is usually because the artist has captured something immutable.

And while the works in a newly-opened Lancashire exhibition do just that, the description is more to do with who created them and where they were produced, than the subject matter of the pictures.

The show, at St Annes' Island Cinema, gathers together 40 works by children who were held at the Theresienstadt concentration camp in what was Czechoslovakia during World War Two.


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Pavel Sonnenschein, who died aged 13, painted the inside of a ghetto

Theresienstadt was, as the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM) describes it, a "camp-ghetto", a transit camp for Jews which "served as a 'settlement', an assembly camp, and a concentration camp".

About 140,000 Jews were held at the camp, of which 15,000 were children. According to the USHMM, "approximately 90 percent of these children perished in death camps".

Brian Devlin, the exhibition's organiser, said that families at the camp understandably "tried to shield their children from the horror of their situation by occupying their free time with games, education and painting".



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Malvina Lowova, who was killed aged 12, drew a family being deported under armed guard while farmers armed with pitchforks threaten them

As a result, many pictures, drawings and paintings were produced and Mr Devlin said the works gave a glimpse into the minds of the children who produced them.

"One picture is an almost entirely black page - but you can make out the outline of a black train which, I suppose, is surrounded by the blackness of the doom that awaited," he said.

"Even the sun is surrounded by black.

"Another picture shows a mother and father and their children being shepherded through fields towards Theresienstadt.

"They are surrounded by angry farmers who are threatening them with pitchforks. It is very thought-provoking."



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Ruth Cechova, who died aged 13, painted her memories of sunbathing

Not all of the pictures are as bleak, though, and there are many happier images showing children playing, as well as one sketch of a Passover feast.

"The Germans were very keen to use it as a 'show camp' to the rest of the world to demonstrate their alleged humanity," says Mr Devlin.

"Nevertheless, the paintings and drawings show clearly saddened victims [and] only a few are smiling."



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Vilem Eisner, who was 13 when he died, painted a lesson being held in a dorm room

The pictures have been loaned to the gallery by the Jewish Museum in Prague and will later go on tour around the UK.

Mr Devlin said the pictures were, without doubt, moving and saddening, but also very important.

"It is always valuable to see the world through the eyes of a child," he said.

"I see this art as voices from across the decades.

"Very few [from Theresienstadt] survived and the Nazis tried to eradicate their memory entirely. This art gives a voice to those victims."

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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22.2.1  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @22.2    6 years ago

Too sad to comment really. Brings back thoughts and memories of Elie Wiesel's work.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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23  JohnRussell    6 years ago

I'm surprised none of you mentioned The Pianist.   Some people think it is the equal of Schindler's List. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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23.1  dave-2693993  replied to  JohnRussell @23    6 years ago

Though very important, honestly those can be very difficult movies to watch. I remember when my daughter had to read Night and another very dark novel, she was too ill to read by herself. I even was angry at the school for making her read this.

I read both stories to her and we would discuss them along the way. I recalled when my mom translated the Nuremberg trials to a neighbor when I was very young. Pre-school young. When reading these stories to my daughter, I then appreciated the anger my mom gave off while translating those trials even, though, at the time I was too young to grasp the details. I suppressed my anger while reading to my daughter.

These things are so much easier to face when one can fight back.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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23.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @23    6 years ago

Hey John - click this link and read the comment which is above:

And would you please indicate what you posted via YouTube.

As well, in a comment about Paul Newman, which is 2 comments below the linked comment, I mention your name.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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23.2.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @23.2    6 years ago

"I'm surprised none of you mentioned The Pianist.   Some people think it is the equal of Schindler's List."

I find it hard to believe that some people could consider it equal to Schindler's List. The Pianist is mostly about a Jewish concert pianist whose life was saved by a Nazi officer who enjoyed listening to classical piano being played. An alternate ending for that in my imagination would have been that at the end the pianist would save the life of the Nazi upon being advised of his being held by the Russians.

In no way did The Pianist emulate the horrors of The Holocaust as well as Schindler's List did.

 
 
 
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23.2.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @23.2.1    6 years ago
In no way did The Pianist emulate the horrors of The Holocaust as well as Schindler's List did.

No it didn't, the sheer scope of Schindler's List far surpasses the very narrow scope of the Pianist.

That being said, the Pianist has a similar presentation to Schindler's List and an equal perception of quality.

Both are excellent movies, Schindler's List is both very personal and sweeping in it's depiction of the Holocaust, The pianist is very personal and depicts one persons ideals of beauty overcoming his hate....

Both are stories that need to be told....

 
 
 
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23.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @23.2.2    6 years ago

I agree with both you and Buzz. "The Pianist" is a very good movie, but doesn't show the scope of the horrors that were committed. Or the depth of the depravity of the Nazis that "Schindler's List" did

 
 
 
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23.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @23.2.1    6 years ago
The Pianist is mostly about a Jewish concert pianist whose life was saved by a Nazi officer who enjoyed listening to classical piano being played.

That is a ridiculous statement.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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23.2.5  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @23.2.4    6 years ago

Sure, it was an excellent movie for what it was, but to compare it to Schindler's List as a depiction of The Holocaust is a ridiculous statement.  Perhaps because you refused to describe the YouTubes you posted as I asked you to do, I might not have made what you called a ridiculous statement.

 
 
 
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23.3  dave-2693993  replied to  JohnRussell @23    6 years ago

A Sunday walk in the park by comparison.

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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23.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  dave-2693993 @23.3    6 years ago

What's this?

 
 
 
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23.3.2  dave-2693993  replied to  Trout Giggles @23.3.1    6 years ago
What's this?

Easy, "Desert Plinking".

....hmmmm...

Many will say the M14s were never employed by the IDF and contractors. Many would be wrong.

Though in a dirty fight the FN FAL is probably your best friend with it's ability to let one crank up the gas pressure to overcome grit in the action, the M14 has the potential to be your absolute best friend.

Out of the box, beyond 100M they suck.

New barrel with twist rate to match the round you need to shoot, proper head space, free float the barrel, tune the action, fix the trigger so it thinks it's an Mauser M91 or M98, 1 MOA iron sights in conjunction with appropriate optics AND your OWN personal loads put you in business. All more easily accomplished by contractors.

 
 
 
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23.3.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @23.3.2    6 years ago

You mean one of these......

White Feather

They did have somewhat of a reputation amongst the Viet Cong & NVA.....

The Picture?

Although they did exist in that time frame, the weapon in the pic is not a period piece.

 
 
 
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23.3.4  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @23.3.3    6 years ago

Sorry, been meaning to talk about this, but a little busy. Maybe in a couple hours.

Short response they are different animals, but good discussion material.

 
 
 
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23.3.5  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @23.3.4    6 years ago

Yeah, but we should probably post another article on it in the gun and ammo group....

The rifle in the pic is supposed to represent an M-21 Sniper Rifle. In 1969, the Rock Island Arsenal converted 1,435 National Match (target grade) M14s by adding a Redfield ART Adjustable Ranging Telescope 3x9 and providing National Match grade ammunition (7.62 Lake City Long Range XM-118). This was after the Vietnam experience of the Marine Corps, Seals and Army Ranger armorers upgrading them individually into a damned serious (and fine) sniper weapon.

The actual rifle in the pic resembles an M-25, a much improved M-21, (dating from the '80's and not possible in a 1960 movie) therefore a technical error. The bipod is wrong the suppressor is wrong, the stock is wrong and the iron sights are wrong. Looks like someone built a custom movie prop out of a standard M-14 not realizing it would be that noticeable.

Good eye....

 
 
 
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23.3.6  Nowhere Man  replied to  Nowhere Man @23.3.5    6 years ago

And it's not in the imfdb if your wondering......

 
 
 
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23.3.7  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @23.3.6    6 years ago
And it's not in the imfdb if your wondering......

Not wondering.

Very few or any data base will have what some wildcater came up with under contract for a foreign country. Ally or not.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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23.3.8  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @23.3.7    6 years ago

Hey, come on you guys!  I know absolutely nothing about guns except I can tell that a pistol is different from a rifle, so what's it all got to do with antisemitism?

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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23.3.9  Nowhere Man  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @23.3.8    6 years ago

That's why I suggested another group for said discussion, I was approaching it from a Movie knowledge point of view.

IMFDB stands for the Internet Movie Firearms Database....

A searchable database of movies and which firearms appeared in them..... It is referenced occasionally in the IMDB....

And it has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

My fault, My apology....

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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23.3.10  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @23.3.9    6 years ago

Sorry. I didn't know it had anything to do with movies. I didn't know what the acronym stood for. LOL

 
 
 
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23.3.11  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @23.3.8    6 years ago
I know absolutely nothing about guns except I can tell that a pistol is different from a rifle, so what's it all got to do with antisemitism?

It has everything to do with antisemitism and more importantly the fight against it.

As I mentioned to John, it is difficult to watch these movies and read these books where no one can fight back.

Getting proper weapons into the hands of the defenders of Israel wasn't the easiest of things.

When battle rifles are involved, I tend to pay attention, not always perfect, but I try to pay attention.. I am going to say IMO, the movie Exodus may have given in to an early form of PC decision making.

I think my earliest comment regarding Exodus Part 1 spoke of the .303 Enfields slung over the shoulders of the British sentries in the very first scene. Without knowing anything about their flag or uniforms or anything else, we instantly know they are British because of those .303s.

Then all through the movie we see only those .303s when battle rifles are depicted.

Little bit of history. Mauser M & K98s were nazi weapons, but heavily used by Israelis during the 1948 conflict.

Was Hollywood afraid to show that? 

In the background, and I didn't have the opportunity to research the complete timing, Israel contracted with FN to re-chamber and make new 98s during the 50s even.

So, the M14.

Not US Army or USMC issued M21 or M25, but M14 completely rebuilt according to certain spec. Though rarely talked about and often denied, an excellent mid to late 1970s reach out and touch your target weapon up in the Golan.

Someone had to watch over those Tel Aviv U kids taking their War 101 classes and having to stand off against and stare down Syrian border guards not very long after they got their asses handed to them at the Valley of Tears.

That was a good reach out and touch your target weapon.

As you know I am not the most acute movie watcher, but I have never seen those M14s in a movie. Maybe it is me?

Entebbe is next. I am going to have my eye on the look out. Will the movie actually show AK47s in the hands of IDF Commandos? Or will we see only Uzis and Galils?

I hope I see it tonight.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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23.3.12  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @23.3.11    6 years ago

Don't get your hopes up..... (you have to take into consideration when & where it was filmed, 1976, Stockton, California)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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23.3.13  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @23.3.11    6 years ago

The father of my ex-wife's first cousin was a Hero of Israel. He ignored what could happen to him (but survived) and smuggled guns into Israel back in those days when the British would not permit their importation.

I think you'll enjoy Raid on Entebbe - lots of guns (although again they might not be the correct ones as to the period, and those who were using them.  Actually you now have ME interested in your take on the matching of the guns to the movies.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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23.3.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @23.3.13    6 years ago

Buzz, did you ever read "Exodus" the novel?

I was curious if you had and was also curious if the history depicted in the novel is any where near accurate?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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23.3.15  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Trout Giggles @23.3.14    6 years ago

It was so long ago that I don't recall if I read the novel.  However, having first watched the movie back when it was released I do recall feeling that although fictionalized to some extent (such as the Gan Dafna camp, and the relationship with Taha, etc.) a lot of the events and intentions of the people were in keeping with reality.

 
 
 
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23.3.16  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @23.3.13    6 years ago
The father of my ex-wife's first cousin was a Hero of Israel. He ignored what could happen to him (but survived) and smuggled guns into Israel back in those days when the British would not permit their importation.

Good for him. That was life and death.

Without teh determination and outside the box thinking, what the U.N. put in place in 1948 would have disappeared decades ago.

...using nazi weapons early on, later absconding with the plans to the Mirage 5 AFTER France took orders, took money and then refused delivery, whereupon Israel built the Nesher. The plane Giora Epstein primarily flew to become the worlds greatest jet ace. Even when being greatly outnumbered and when some IAF planes showed up to help, he calls out "HEY, we are friends, these are mine, go find your own"...

Anyhow, I like when weapons are correct. When they are not, that is a tip off to me that accuracy and truth in the story is not important to the story teller and perhaps other aspects of the movie also suffer from this lack of sincerity.

You know, in my mind, the Yom Kippur war was a turning point in the strategies of those who have sought to extinguish the existence of Israel.

They had played with terrorism, but now they had to go global with terrorism to eliminate Israel, because of a realization they were not in a position and lacked capability to attack Israel straight on.

Col Kahalani was down to 5 or 6 truly operation tanks after taking the high ground then needed to reach the point of fire necessary to stop hundreds of modern Syrian tanks on their way up to take the hill.

He couldn't get his team to move forward. So he called them chicken and then took off to get in position to shoot. (Never say fire, it's ambiguous). They followed and that became the Valley of Tears. The Syrians met their demise.

They knew then, they needed terror and propaganda, of which they have become masters.

This lead to Entebbe. This. This terror. This propaganda.

Need to take a break.

Note: These folks had been moving and fighting for 4 days straight (6, 7, 8 9). The chicken comment could had made or broken them. It made them.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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23.3.17  Nowhere Man  replied to  dave-2693993 @23.3.11    6 years ago
Was Hollywood afraid to show that? 

There was a lot of things Hollywood was afraid to show.....

The first fighter planes the IAF flew were Me109G's was one of them, another was the german that was spoken in any number of units of the Israeli army when it was first formed. Weapons were a mishmash of cast offs and surplus from all sides, all nations.

There is a lot of factual history that is overlooked......

 
 
 
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23.3.18  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @23.3.17    6 years ago
There is a lot of factual history that is overlooked......

This is true.

Yet, when the movie gets the details right, I get pulled more in to it. I only know certain things and when those things are wrong, it is off putting.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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23.3.19  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @23.3.18    6 years ago

LOL. The same thing with me when I watch a trial movie. For example, in the movie I mentioned above, The Young Philadelphians, when Newman calls his own witness, cross examines and leads him and he himself enters medical evidence out of his own mouth, and neither the prosecution nor the judge objects, to me it's a joke.  However, I loved that movie back when it was released, when I was a law student.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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24  Trout Giggles    6 years ago

Do any of you remember the TV mini-series "The Holocaust"?

It's selling on Amazon for around 20 bucks. Can't find it on any streaming service

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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24.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Trout Giggles @24    6 years ago

You mean the one with Michael Moriarty and Meryl Streep? 1978? TV Miniseries?

That "The Holocaust"?

I have it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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24.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @24.1    6 years ago

I should be getting more than my fair share of Amazon cards this Christmas and that's a video I plan to order

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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25  Trout Giggles    6 years ago

yep

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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26  Nowhere Man    6 years ago

Well my friends, All the movies have had 20+ streams which is the best showing I've had for movies uploaded. I enjoyed the themeatic representation and the conversations it has engendered....

But it is time.......

I will leave them up till after christmas day at which point I hope to have another set I will post in a now showing article......

Buzz, Brother I loved this, and hopefully you will contact me so we can do another thematic representation of the movies.....

I enjoyed it....

NWM

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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26.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @26    6 years ago

You're right that this one has now had its run - It was an EXCELLENT collaboration.  I will come up with a new theme and discuss it with you soon. I have an interesting possibility in mind.

 
 
 
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26.2  dave-2693993  replied to  Nowhere Man @26    6 years ago

I want to thank both you and Buzz as well for putting this on and reading all the other comments as well, even if I did not show recognition to all the comments in the conversations.

Brought back some memories and relearned some things the cobwebs had hidden.

I still owe some comments too.

Thanks again and much appreciated.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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26.2.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @26.2    6 years ago

My regret is that, although it obviously does not apply to you, Dave, is that those on NT who most needed to learn from this article pointedly ignored it.  That tells me something about the true feelings of some of the members of NT that I have always suspected anyway.  That is NOT aimed at any members who I do know or am sure they read through it and watched the movies but left no note or even a thumbs-up anywhere, but there are others who have often released their animosity on me and my feelings. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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26.2.2  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @26.2.1    6 years ago

Thank you Buzz.

You know we had folks like Col Kahalani in the Golan and folks like Giora Epstein in the Negev repelling a two pronged attack, yet words are not the best way to convey things at all times.

This video, though lacking in quality and suffering from a lot of wind noise, gives enough information for a shooter to understand can result from less than a half dozen of remaining Israeli tanks in the Valley of Tears against hundreds of invading attackers. 

Please, pay attention to the mention of the trees in the video.

The effort to take the high ground was costly, yet provided the vantage to determine the final decision of the attacking Syrian invaders to cut and run. Get their asses the hell out of there.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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26.2.3  dave-2693993  replied to  dave-2693993 @26.2.2    6 years ago

Sorry, it's a youtube titled:

עמק הבכא - The Valley Of Tears

https:  //  www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAnOF7Wjdbc

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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27  Nowhere Man    6 years ago

Final Notice:

You have about 6 hrs now to catch/watch any of the movies posted to the article.

They will be going away at midnight PNW time......

Thank you all....

NWM

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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27.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @27    6 years ago

Thank you as well, NWM, for helping to make this a most successful article, and as it now appears to have run its course it is right that you delete the postings of the movies themselves. to allow you to post movies on other articles. 

To those who have pointedly ignored this article because it may be contrary to your own feelings and beliefs (and prejudices) - that's your loss - wallow in your................

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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29  dave-2693993    6 years ago

Enjoyed it.

Thank you all again.

 
 

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