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To Forgive, Divine

  

Category:  Religion & Ethics

Via:  xxjefferson51  •  10 years ago  •  25 comments

To Forgive, Divine
Many complain about the post-Christian slough of contemporary America. We point to the coarsening of pop culture, the dissolution of the family, and the battles over religious liberty in the courts. Those issues are important, but more troublesome is the decline of the deeper virtues.Forgiveness. Mercy. Beauty.Before the blood cooled in Charleston, the internet devolved into the usual partisan bickering. Warring sides screamed of confederate flags and gun control and racism and religious hatred. Its easy to get lost in the daily political battles; to lose oneself in the outrage of the day. I know Im often guilty of condemning my opponents personally when I should focus on the arguments they make.But in a South Carolina courtroom Friday, the victims families demonstrated those deeper virtues rarely broadcast in this secular culture. The judge allowed the grieving to share their minds directly with the dead-eyed young man accused of killing their mothers, sons and sisters.Felicia Sanders told the accused, We welcomed you Wednesday night in our Bible study with open arms. You have killed some of the most beautiful people that I know. Every fiber in my body hurts, and Ill never be the same. Tywanza Sanders was my son, but Tywanza was my hero. But as we said in the Bible study may God have mercy on you.I will never talk to her ever again, Nadine Collier said of her mother. I will never be able to hold her again. But I forgive you. And have mercy on your soul. You hurt me. You hurt a lot of people, but God forgive you, and I forgive you.Rev. Anthony Thompson said, I forgive you and my family forgives you, but we would like you to take this opportunity to repent. Repent. Confess. Give your life to the One who matters the most Christ so that He can change it; to change your ways no matter what happened to you and youll be okay. https://ricochet.com/to-forgive-divine/

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Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
It's ok to not forgive an animal like Dylan Roof. Religious people are so delusional that they think his punishment will occur in the eternity following his natural death, and that they can patiently wait for him to receive his otherworldly punishment. It's idotic.
 
 
 
jennilee
Freshman Silent
link   jennilee    10 years ago
He will be punished here. Their forgiveness not not absolve him of being punished. Their forgiveness is following their belief to forgive others as they are forgiven.
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
Unfortunately, it will take millions of tax dollars and years of time to deliver it. He deserves an immediate bullet to the face, or as many as it takes to put "it" down.
 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
link   Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    10 years ago

It's idotic.

Just because they have forgiven him, doesn't mean that they are hoping he is sent home with a stern admonishment to behave himself from now on. In fact, itwould surprise me if any of the family members spoke out against the death penalty for Mr. Roof.

Keep in mind 2 things:

1. Christians forgive as much for their own sake, perhaps even more so, than they do for the sake of others.

2. Forgivenessisnot aboutwaiting for post-death punishment, especially in this case. What of the report that he almost didn't go through with it becausehis victimswere all sowelcoming andkind to him? That would indicate the possibility of a tiny kernel of decency in his mostly deranged (and probably drug-addled)mind, wouldn't it? Forgiveness by the family and friends of his victims, when received in a moment of total clarity, just might savea tremendous amount of angst, money and time...and still achieve the widely-desired ending for Mr. Roof: Dead on a gurney.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
I've done A LOT of drugs in my 20's. If they EVER caused me to do something so heinous, inexcusable and purely evil, I would have ended my own life in a tiny fraction of the time it will take for society to put this sorry excuse for human life down. He is the epitome of cowardice, and will ride this wave of "forgiveness" as far as it will take him. At least the second largest coward the recent human race has ever produced, Ariel Castro, had the decency to kill himself.
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
I wasn't their target audience. I turned out fine, nonetheless. I'm curious though, BF - do recent events alter your opinions on capital punishment? How much or your lavish, hard earned income are you willing to donate to keep Roof alive? How much of MY hard earned income are you willing to sacrifice to keep this piece of shit alive? It seems very contradictory to the libertarian philosophy. You must be conflicted. Is that why you posted an article advocating for everyone to be armed at all times? So that the Roofs of the world would be killed before the government ever got their hands on them?
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Indeed a very goo comment.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for Gods wrath, for it is written: It is mine to avenge; I will repay, says the Lord. On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. St. Paul, The Epistle to the Romans 12:19-21Amen.
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
Jesus Christ ... I rest my case.
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
You are side stepping the question. If we were resolute on putting people like Roof down immediately, because there is NO QUESTION OF HIS GUILT, then we would spend about one millionth of what will be spent to put him down. Now answer to that. When there is no question of guilt, there should be no question of capital punishment.
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
What if we learned that the earth was actually flat? You're right - we should give flat earthers the benefit of the doubt.Stop pretending that there are never cases where guilt is 100% clear.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
In particularly heinous cases where guilt is Clear and obvious the death penalty is a reasonable trial outcome. Appeals would be quite limited in a case like this. This result would not preclude affected people forgiving him for what he did or him making a life change and being converted. A conversion would not preclude the death penalty for the crimes before the conversion.
 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov    10 years ago
I'd rather see forgiveness than the hate in display here.
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
BF, we wouldn't be having this conversation if you hadn't openly advocated for citizens to take on the role of capital punishment instead of the government. An armed parishioner walking into this carnage is just as likely to accidentally kill a person, who appears to be escaping a heinous crime, as the government. One of these circumstances is ok in your world view, but the other is not - because as a confused libertarian, you have an obvious bias against government.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Hal, I rest my case in Him too.
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
ie - don't worry people ... I got this ... suckers.
 
 
 
Petey Coober
Freshman Silent
link   Petey Coober    10 years ago

"suckers"

You have got something ... sounds like delusion that you understand .

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Exactly. The simplest least partisan articles seem to upset progressives most. Like this one and God being credited by the woman who led to the capture of this man. Of course forgiveness is a totally alien concept to a progressive.
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
Petey, feel free to explain that inexplicable response.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
We forgive the atheist God deniers too.
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
How refreshing. Btw, what are you forgiving us for?
 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov    10 years ago
How constructive. Why are you still here?
 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago
BF - you are basically claiming that an armed parishioner is more excuseable for murder than the government. How would you rule in a case where an armed civilian killed the wrong person exiting a facility where there was good reason to believe a murder(s) took place? Your logic is hopelessly flawed. Let's say Roof took his girlfriend with him, and she was unaware of his intentions. Are you okay with her being gunned down exiting this carnage, by an armed civilian?
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Why should I have to shut myself up? Why is it that articles about people overcoming, coming together, and working together make you so angry?
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Forgiveness. Mercy. Beauty. .
 
 

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