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Group That Tried to Sue Trump Over "Emoluments" Clause Just Got Booted Out of Court

  

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Via:  capt-cave-man  •  6 years ago  •  85 comments

Group That Tried to Sue Trump Over "Emoluments" Clause Just Got Booted Out of Court

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Judge George Daniels of the Southern District of New York authored the opinion, filed Dec. 21, giving a win to Trump. But more generally, the opinion defends the principle that people cannot sue politicians in order to settle political debates in court, instead of in the legislature or at the ballot box.

The watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington  sued  Trump last January, claiming that his extensive business interests constitute ongoing violations of the Constitution’s  foreign and domestic emoluments clauses .

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Capt. Cave Man
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1  seeder  Capt. Cave Man    6 years ago

Eventually libs will come around and admit that President Trump is the best thing for America since President Reagan. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1    6 years ago

Anyone else with more than 3 functioning brain cells won't.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1    6 years ago
Anyone else with more than 3 functioning brain cells won't.

How many liberals would you have to get together to meet that prerequisite?  10?  20?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.1    6 years ago

Paula and I together can contribute at least triple that amount

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.1    6 years ago
How many liberals would you have to get together to meet that prerequisite?  10?  20?

At a minimum.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.2    6 years ago
Paula and I together can contribute at least triple that amount

Trumpism ? chuckle

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1    6 years ago

You are 100% correct.  Anyone with an IQ above room temperature 🤒 as Rush would say, knows that.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1    6 years ago
"Eventually libs will come around and admit that President Trump is the best thing for America since President Reagan."

vomit

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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1.4  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1    6 years ago

That would be NANCY Reagan, right?

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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2  magnoliaave    6 years ago

Even Sen. Graham has changed his views on Pres. Trump.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1  Tessylo  replied to  magnoliaave @2    6 years ago
"Even Sen. Graham has changed his views on Pres. Trump."

He's not fit to be President.  He's a loony."

"I never said that."

laughing dude

Lindsay is just another cockholster for Donald Rump

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to    6 years ago

Exactly.  Well put.  

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  magnoliaave @2    6 years ago

I wonder how long this will last.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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3  The Magic 8 Ball    6 years ago

before trump was sworn in I said it will be 2 yrs of bs from the left     (exactly like Reagan )

  

but just for fun, in the mean time if you want to appear psychic?

start with a leftwing prediction,  take the exact opposite view, and you will be right more often than not.

a better contrarian indicator you can not find

  • when they say trump will be impeached? that simply means trump will be re-elected.

Cheers :)

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3    6 years ago

Awesome 😎 response.  Cheers 🥂 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4  Dulay    6 years ago

If y'all think that CREW or Richard Painter is going to walk away because of this ruling, you're sadly mistaken. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @4    6 years ago

I hope they don't.   Feel free to give them money, or just burn it. It will have the same effect. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    6 years ago

All they need do is find someone with standing. Perhaps one of the hotels in D.C. will join the case. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    6 years ago

There is no case to be had on that matter.  It’s over.  

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.3  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    6 years ago

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States:
And no Person holding any Offi ce of Profi t or Trust under
them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept
of any present, Emolument, Offi ce, or Title, of any kind
whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

The question is this.  Does a representative of a foreign government spending the night at a Trump hotel constitute an emolument?  Would a foreign government buying Carter's peanuts be an emolument?  Would a foreign government buying a copy of Obama's book be an emolument?  All are examples of presidential involvement in normal business activities.  None are examples of foreign governments trying to buy influence for their governments.

So let the sore losers continue to spend their money on bogus litigation.  It's better than spending it on better candidates.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.4  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.2    6 years ago
There is no case to be had on that matter. It’s over.  

False. A case thrown out for lack of standing can be refiled when someone WITH standing joins the case. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.5  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.3    6 years ago
The question is this. Does a representative of a foreign government spending the night at a Trump hotel constitute an emolument?

Depending on WHY they did so, YES. 

Would a foreign government buying Carter's peanuts be an emolument? Would a foreign government buying a copy of Obama's book be an emolument? All are examples of presidential involvement in normal business activities.

It's ironic you should cite two Presidents, who put their holdings IN TRUST. Since their holding WERE in TRUST, the answer is NO. Get it yet? 

None are examples of foreign governments trying to buy influence for their governments.

Really? You know this how? The FACT is that hotels in the same area can PROVE that they have lost business because of foreign governments pandering to Trump. Right after the election, a foreign government [can't remember which one] moved their accommodations to Trump's hotel. 

So let the sore losers continue to spend their money on bogus litigation.

That's exactly how I fell about the plethora of crap the Liberty Counsel and the AFA has thrown at the court over the decades. 

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.6  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.5    6 years ago
Depending on WHY they did so, YES.

So a night in a hotel room buys influence in DC?  That will get laughed out of SCOTUS if it ever makes it there.  It won't!  Talk about grasping at straws from the sore losers!

BTW Blind trusts are not really blind.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @4.1.5    6 years ago
Depending on WHY they did so, YES.

So what would spending money to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom during Billy Boy's time as President be considered?  But I guess because it was a Clinton that did it, all's good.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.7    6 years ago

How can the Clinton's go away when y'all keep bringing them up? 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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4.1.9  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Dulay @4.1.8    6 years ago

Well, ya know they have to have a boogey man for the past 30 years it's been the Clintons, even Trump can't admit that he won the election, he still refers to Hillary as his "opponent".

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.10  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.8    6 years ago
How can the Clinton's go away when y'all keep bringing them up?

The left would love to have the public forget about the Clinton's corruption.  It makes taking the moral high ground in an argument so difficult. 

Pointing out liberal hypocrisy is so much fun!  Watching liberals grasp at straws because their candidate lost is fun as well.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.11  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.6    6 years ago
So a night in a hotel room buys influence in DC?

"The Kuwaiti embassy canceled a "save the date" reservation with the Four Seasons and booked instead with the Trump hotel, a few blocks from the White House, for 600 guests . The event was held, Wednesday, Feb. 22."

That will get laughed out of SCOTUS if it ever makes it there.

Oh but discovery for the case will be a riot! 

BTW Blind trusts are not really blind.

It's a hell of a lot more blind than nothing. Trump KNOWS where his money is coming from, he knows which foreign delegation is staying at his hotel and which foreign businessmen are buying the condos in Manila. Carter had NO CLUE who bought his companies peanuts and Obama had NO CLUE who bought his books. 

Please stop with the false equivalencies. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @4.1.8    6 years ago
How can the Clinton's go away when y'all keep bringing them up?

You never want to forget the example of what NOT to do.

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.13  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.11    6 years ago
Please stop with the false equivalencies.

You think they are false because your candidate lost!  This is only an issue because Hillary LOST!  Keep grasping!

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.14  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.10    6 years ago
The left would love to have the public forget about the Clinton's corruption.

As someone from the left, I could not care less whether y'all forget anything or not. If you want to beat a dead horse, please proceed. 

It makes taking the moral high ground in an argument so difficult. 

Really? How so? If Trump supporter's morality aren't linked to Trump, why should Clinton's supporters be linked to Clinton? 

Pointing out liberal hypocrisy is so much fun!

What hypocrisy are you speaking of? 

Watching liberals grasp at straws because their candidate lost is fun as well.

Watching Trump supporters defend Trump at any cost is disgusting. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.12    6 years ago
You never want to forget the example of what NOT to do.

You need only review the Bush Administration. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @4.1.15    6 years ago

Or the one I mentioned.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.17  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.13    6 years ago
You think they are false because your candidate lost!

Nope, it's a false because it's a false equivalency. 

This is only an issue because Hillary LOST!

Finally, a factual statement. There sure as hell WOULDN'T be a question of an emoluments violation if Hillary had won. 

Keep grasping!

Keep obfuscating. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.18  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @4.1.11    6 years ago
Carter had NO CLUE  and Obama had NO CLUE 

There now is it a correct statement. Espevially the first half. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.16    6 years ago
Or the one I mentioned.

Right, because it's so hard to decide with would be something a POTUS shouldn't do, have a WH sleep over or lying the US into a war causing thousands of deaths. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.20  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @4.1.18    6 years ago
There now is it a correct statement. Espevially the first half.

I'm sure you think that truncating my comment to misrepresent what I said is 'witty'. It isn't, it's bad form. 

Please proceed with your bad faith posts. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @4.1.19    6 years ago

How cute.  You think Billy Boy didn't send Soldiers off to battle.

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.22  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.14    6 years ago
What hypocrisy are you speaking of?

Thanks for the entertainment!

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.23  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.21    6 years ago
How cute. You think Billy Boy didn't send Soldiers off to battle.

How cute. You again make a false equivalency and deflect. 

Did 'Billy Boy' LIE about why he was sending them? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.24  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.22    6 years ago
Thanks for the entertainment!

I wish I could say the same. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.25  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.14    6 years ago

Watching the secular progressive lefty response to our passionate defense of our great American President is quite entertaining. God Bless our exceptional America and our national  leaders.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4.1.26  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @4.1.8    6 years ago
How can the Clinton's go away when y'all keep bringing them up?

Nobody wants the Clintons to go away except for their own people (including their left wing lapdogs in the MSM). The Clintons are finally being exposed as the corrupt liars that millions of people have always known they are. The Clinton/Obama Show won't be going away.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.27  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.1.26    6 years ago
Nobody wants the Clintons to go away except for their own people (including their left wing lapdogs in the MSM).

Seriously? There have been half a dozen seeds and innumerable conservative commenters on NT alone that demand that Clinton STFU. 

The Clintons are finally being exposed as the corrupt liars that millions of people have always known they are. The Clinton/Obama Show won't be going away.

If they're 'being exposed as corrupt' pray tell why aren't they 'going away'. After all, your representatives and their supporters have spent millions in taxpayer funds to make that happen. They're STILL doing it to this day. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.29  Dulay  replied to  gooseisgone @4.1.28    6 years ago
What does $500,000 get you for a one hour speech, how about $145,000,000 donated to a foundation, nothing to see here move along.

Perhaps it would help if you recognized that Bill Clinton wasn't PAID for speeches when he was in office NOR did he have a foundation to donate to.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4.1.30  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @4.1.29    6 years ago
Perhaps it would help if you recognized that Bill Clinton wasn't PAID for speeches when he was in office NOR did he have a foundation to donate to.

Perhaps it would help if you recognized that the Emoluments Clause includes more officials than only the US president. Hillary Clinton was SoS (paid) when Bill raked in millions of dollars in speech fees from foreign countries, and we now know that they funneled the money through their foundations .

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them , shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 8

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In 2014, before  Clinton Cash  was in the public eye,  the  Washington Post  analyzed  Clinton’s speaking fees and found he made at least $104 million in speaking fees between 2001 through 2012 -- more than half of that income came from speeches in foreign countries 

Here’s a list of all the speeches for which Clinton received a fee of $500,000 or higher, including the year, location, host and actual fee:

So in the time Clinton left the White House in January 2001 and when his wife stepped down from secretary of state in February 2013, Clinton indeed gave 13 speeches for which he made more than $500,000. Eleven of those occurred since January 2009, when Hillary Clinton became secretary of state.  

ABC News  also examined Clinton’s speaking records and found many instances in which he took in money from groups with pending interests at the State Department. 

Hillary Clinton’s financial disclosure forms from 2001 through the end of 2012 confirm Schweizer’s claim. We rate it True.

It's amazing what a few minutes of research will find.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.31  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.1.30    6 years ago
Perhaps it would help if you recognized that the Emoluments Clause includes more officials than only the US president. Hillary Clinton was SoS (paid) when Bill raked in millions of dollars in speech fees from foreign countries,

Perhaps it would help if you'd recognize that Hillary Clinton is NOT Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton received money, NOT Hillary Clinton. 

Now if you insist that spouses income be included, Majority Leader McConnell violated the emoluments Clause since his wife, Elaine Chao was paid for speeches by foreign organizations, including the People's Mujahedin of Iran. 

and we now know that they funneled the money through their foundations.

Actually, what we know that Bill Clinton DONATED much of the moneys he earned in speeches to his foundation which has a 4 star charity rating. 

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.32  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.31    6 years ago
Actually, what we know that Bill Clinton DONATED much of the moneys he earned in speeches to his foundation which has a 4 star charity rating.

And if you bother to read the IRS 990 you will find that the foundation paid millions for the Clinton's jet setting travels.  The foundation was their slush fund!

 
 
 
lib50
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4.1.33  lib50  replied to  ausmth @4.1.32    6 years ago
And if you bother to read the IRS 990 you will find that the foundation paid millions for the Clinton's jet setting travels.

If you'd spend half as much energy requiring transparency and equal standards for republicans  it would be one thing.  But you lot just can't quit the Clintons whether they are public or private!  Have you ever taken a long hard look at that?   The Clinton Foundation has open books and high ratings.  Trump has nothing but fraud and lies, yet you don't even care he didn't release a tax return!  Not one! He lies every day, yet you act as if you believe even the most moronic lies!  Do any of you have the balls to actually face the truth instead of immediate deflection and obfuscation? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.34  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.32    6 years ago
And if you bother to read the IRS 990 you will find that the foundation paid millions for the Clinton's jet setting travels.  The foundation was their slush fund!

If YOU bothered to read the 990 THOROUGHLY, you will find that in 2013 [the last year HRC was SoS] the foundation paid a TOTAL of 288,970 'management and general expenses' travel. So ASSUMING that was ALL the Clinton's travel, that is less than 4% of the foundations total travel expenses.

Now, you COULD argue that the travel for 'fundraising' should be counted as 'Clinton's jet setting' but you'd have to PROVE that was all 'Clinton's jet setting'  travel. 

Now, question. How the hell do the Clintons PROFIT by the Foundation paying for Bill's travel while acting as a representative of said foundation? Are you claiming that Bill Clinton DIDN'T travel and instead pocketed the funds? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.35  Dulay  replied to  lib50 @4.1.33    6 years ago
Trump has nothing but fraud and lies, yet you don't even care he didn't release a tax return!

Let's compare apples and apples: 

Charity Navigation:

On September 13, 2016, The New York Times reported on the operations of Donald J. Trump Foundation, a charity that has announced intentions to dissolve, in an article titled, "New York Attorney General to Investigate Donald Trump’s Nonprofit." For this reason, we have issued a High Concern CN Advisory.

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.36  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.34    6 years ago

It was lower because she was flying on the taxpayers dime then.  Nice cherry picking.  I am sure you have enough for a pie now!

Here is 2015.  20+ million for travel and meetings.

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.37  ausmth  replied to  lib50 @4.1.33    6 years ago

20+ million for travel and meetings.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.38  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.36    6 years ago
It was lower because she was flying on the taxpayers dime then. 

By SHE, I presume you mean Hillary Clinton and YES, just like Tillerson, her travel as SoS is paid for by the US government. 

Nice cherry picking. I am sure you have enough for a pie now!

I chose 2013 because it was the last year that Clinton was SoS. BTFW, I note that you aren't even trying to refute the FACTS in my comment.

What year were YOU talking about, we'll review that one...

Here is 2015. 20+ million for travel and meetings.

Then YOU proceed in your 'cherry picking' and pick foundation data from the years AFTER Hillary Clinton was NO LONGER the freaking SoS and therefore NOT covered by the emoluments clause.

Or did you forget that is the topic of the seed? 

From YOUR 2014 link:

20,786,529 in TOTAL travel

951,325 in Management and General travel. 

2015 #s

18,837,489 TOTAL travel

946,322 in Management and General travel 

Your posts are misrepresentations of the data and therefore a failed lie.  

It's unfortunate that you continue to prove incapable of debating in good faith. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.39  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.14    6 years ago

at any cost?  Lol!  I defend Trump for free.

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.40  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.38    6 years ago

So any contribution to the foundation by foreign governments during her tenure as SOS would not constitute an emolument but a hotel owner who doesn't have day to day control over the hotel would be taking an emolument if a foreigner stays.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.41  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.40    6 years ago
So any contribution to the foundation by foreign governments during her tenure as SOS would not constitute an emolument but a hotel owner who doesn't have day to day control over the hotel would be taking an emolument if a foreigner stays.

FINALLY, you're getting it!

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.42  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.39    6 years ago
I defend Trump for free.

And he get's what he pays for. 

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.43  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.41    6 years ago
FINALLY, you're getting it!

I do get your partisan hypocrisy!  The foundation, that provides travel benefit to her family while SOS, takes lots of money from foreign governments and to you that isn't an emolument but Trump's hotel being paid for their services that benefit his family, is.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.44  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.43    6 years ago
I do get your partisan hypocrisy!

In order for there to be hypocrisy, one must be on two different sides of the SAME issue. I have consistently tried to explain to you that YOU are trying to compare apples and artichokes. You refused to answer the questions I posed and IMHO that is because you don't want to acknowledge that those answers would eviscerate your posit. So instead you attack my motives. Bad form but to be expected. 

The foundation, that provides travel benefit to her family while SOS, takes lots of money from foreign governments and to you that isn't an emolument but Trump's hotel being paid for their services that benefit his family, is.

You are still incapable of recognizing that Hillary Clinton is NOT Bill Clinton or that the Clintons DO NOT MAKE A PROFIT from the Clinton Foundation. In FACT, unlike Trump, they actually DONATE millions to their foundation. It has been proven that Trump profited from his own 'charity', purchased paintings and paid legal fines with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. Yet not a peep from you and yours. 

Trump is profiting DIRECTLY from any and every transaction made by HIS company. Every time the Secret Service PAYS for rooms and golf carts @ Mar A Lago, HE makes money. Hell the minute Trump was elected he doubled the member fees so he could profit from sycophants desire to glad hand with him.

That fact is true for every foreign national that buys a condo in any of his 'TOWERS' or rents a room of holds an event at ANY of his hotels or golf courses. Hell, they need only make reservations for a table @ Mar A Lago so they can shake his hand and whisper in his ear. It's done with a wink and a nod and Trump KNOWS who does and who does NOT pay the 'fee' to get his attention. 

Any defense of even the perception of Trump selling access while decrying donations to the Clinton foundation is partisan hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.45  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.44    6 years ago
You are still incapable of recognizing that Hillary Clinton is NOT Bill Clinton or that the Clintons DO NOT MAKE A PROFIT from the Clinton Foundation.

The Clinton's use the foundation to pay for travel.  They travel by private charter and not public transportation. That is listed on the 990 near the end of the form. Their accommodations are picked up by the foundation.

 Say Bill wants to go golfing in AZ so he lines up a meeting with possible donors and lets the foundation pick up the tab as fundraising.  Hill wants to line up support for her presidential run so she meets with "foundation donors" and the trip and an expenses are on the foundation dime.   funded in part by foreign governments and donors.

They don't get a salary from the foundation but have a lot of fringe benefits from the foundation.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.46  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.45    6 years ago
The Clinton's use the foundation to pay for travel.

YOU just said that Hillary Clinton's travel was paid for by the tax payers while she was SoS. Did you forget your own statement? 

They travel by private charter and not public transportation. That is listed on the 990 near the end of the form. Their accommodations are picked up by the foundation.

In short, they are traveling as representatives of the Foundation and it is lawfully documented on IRS forms. THE HORROR!

Say Bill wants to go golfing in AZ so he lines up a meeting with possible donors and lets the foundation pick up the tab as fundraising. Hill wants to line up support for her presidential run so she meets with "foundation donors" and the trip and an expenses are on the foundation dime. funded in part by foreign governments and donors.

I breathlessly await your posting of one iota of empirical evidence for your fantasy scenario. 

They don't get a salary from the foundation but have a lot of fringe benefits from the foundation.

Again, in your fantasy scenario. Would you like to talk about the ACTUAL benefits that the people who receive assistance from the Clinton Foundation? 

Now, if you've finally rug every drop of deflection out of this that you can, perhaps you'd like to address the FACT that Trump is violating the emoluments clause of the US Constitution. 

 
 
 
ausmth
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4.1.47  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.46    6 years ago
YOU just said that Hillary Clinton's travel was paid for by the tax payers while she was SoS. Did you forget your own statement?

Can't keep up?  She wasn't always SOS.

Trump is not violating any emoluments clause.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.48  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.47    6 years ago
Can't keep up? She wasn't always SOS.

Can't keep up? ANY travel Clinton did AFTER she was SoS isn't covered by the emoluments clause. Your comments are getting more and more irrelevant. 

Trump is not violating any emoluments clause.

Been through this already. By definition, he IS violating the emoluments clause. You've failed to post one iota of evidence to the contrary. Your proclamations doesn't qualify. 

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
4.1.49  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.48    6 years ago
Been through this already. By definition, he IS violating the emoluments clause. You've failed to post one iota of evidence to the contrary. Your proclamations doesn't qualify.

My comments about Clinton during her SOS tenure and Trump's hotel was to point out that neither were personally gaining because of money from foreign governments.  Their family would since neither had control over the source of income.  Trump doesn't control the operation of the hotel and while SOS she didn't control the foundation.  Neither violated the emoluments clause.

The emoluments clause is there to prevent foreign governments from buying a president.  The price of a hotel room won't buy influence of a president.  If this president were motivated by money he wouldn't be donating his salary which is much more than hotel room rates.  That is pretty convincing evidence.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
4.1.50  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.49    6 years ago
Trump doesn't control the operation of the hotel and while SOS she didn't control the foundation.

It isn't JUST about CONTROL. It's about knowing WHO is putting money in your pocket. Trump KNOWS and PERSONALLY profits. 

Neither violated the emoluments clause.

Clinton didn't, Trump is. 

The emoluments clause is there to prevent foreign governments from buying a president.

As my dad used to say, 'No shit Sherlock'. 

The price of a hotel room won't buy influence of a president.

Trump is a cheep date, a little stroking goes a long way with him. 

If this president were motivated by money he wouldn't be donating his salary which is much more than hotel room rates.

By 'donating' his salary, he can claim it as a tax write off. DUH!

That is pretty convincing evidence.

Only to gullible sycophants. 

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
4.1.51  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.50    6 years ago
Only to gullible sycophants.

And only ignored by those with TDS!

He could find the cure for cancer and you would claim he did it for the money.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
4.1.52  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.51    6 years ago
And only ignored by those with TDS!

I didn't ignore it, I refuted it successfully. 

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
4.1.53  ausmth  replied to  Dulay @4.1.52    6 years ago

TDS and delusional.  They do go together.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
4.1.55  Dulay  replied to  ausmth @4.1.53    6 years ago
TDS and delusional. They do go together.

Now we can add non-responsive to irrelevant. 

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
4.2  Spikegary  replied to  Dulay @4    6 years ago

I wonder who is their big ticket donor(s)?  Be nice to see who is behind their curtain pulling the strings.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
4.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Spikegary @4.2    6 years ago
I wonder who is their big ticket donor(s)?

I'd rather know the donors to the AFA and Judicial Watch. 

Be nice to see who is behind their curtain pulling the strings.

There are plenty of people in front of the curtains for you to scrutinize. Go to their website, they're all listed. 

 
 

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