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I’m Proud to Be in the GOP

  

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Via:  heartland-american  •  6 years ago  •  85 comments

I’m Proud to Be in the GOP

There are two kinds of pride. One is a deadly sin, in which we take credit for gifts that were handed to us. And refuse to acknowledge the Giver.

But there’s another kind. And it’s bound up in gratitude. We see that we have been blessed. In our hearts, we recognize that we take part in something great, and good. We didn’t create it, but we signed onto it. When the gift was offered, we accepted. We’re thankful, and we feel honored. We try to give something back. Or better, to pay it forward. That’s the kind of pride we ought to take in our country. In our church. In our family, and in all the other worthy groups we take part in that build up society.

Proud of My … Political Party?

And I’m going to rattle a few media cages by saying right now: That’s how I feel about the Republican Party. I know, I know. It’s not perfect. You can probably rattle off right now a list of annoying RINOs whom you’d like to see poached in the primaries. We can find low points in our history. But what other political party in American history has been on the right side so often? On issues where it really counted. Which other party was founded on such a clear and admirable principle as Abraham Lincoln’s Republican party?

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It favored abolishing slavery as quickly as possible. That was back when the Constitution itself enshrined it. A Republican administration held this country together through a brutal Civil War. Issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Then pushed through the 13th Amendment abolishing that evil. And the 14th Amendment, intended to enforce legal equality and votes for former slaves. Massive resistance by members of the Democratic Party stopped that equality in its tracks.

It would be presidents from that same party that segregated the civil service, rounded up Japanese-Americans in camps, and dropped both atomic bombs on civilian targets.

The Party of Principle

It took 100 long years before we could finally overcome the Democrats’ allergy to equality. Republicans sponsored and overwhelmingly supported the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. Democrats filibustered them. When segregationist Democrats added women’s rights to the Civil Rights Act, they thought they were giving the Act a “poison pill.” But Republicans were fine with it, and they led the charge to pass it.

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That shouldn’t surprise us. It was Republicans who pioneered in granting voting rights to women in the 19th Amendment, too.

Democrats only latched onto the Civil Rights issue when they saw that they could garner more votes from it. Concern for vulnerable Americans … that came a distant second. For parties without a principle, that’s how it tends to go.

The Party of Life

When the next great civil rights issue came to forefront, what happened? Lawless judges pretended to find a right to destroy the most vulnerable among us, the child in the womb. Where? In the Constitution’s ban on “unlawful search and seizure.” Which party acted? Some honorable Democrats like Ellen McCormack tried to hold that party to its rhetoric of concern for the least among us. But by 1992, pro-life Democrats like Gov. Robert Casey were forbidden to speak at the party’s convention. Now, the DNC won’t even back pro-life Democrats for mayors of little towns. The great pro-life Democratic congressman Dan Lipinski is fighting for his life. His own party is against him.

Democrats only latched onto the Civil Rights issue when they saw that they could garner more votes from it. Concern for vulnerable Americans … that came a distant second. For parties without a principle, that’s how it tends to go.

Meanwhile, with Ronald Reagan and the awakening of American Christians, the pro-life movement swept the Republicans by storm. Now the GOP is the most pro-life party in the world west of Warsaw, Poland. That’s some pretty good company to be in, don’t you think?

Winning the Cold War

Speaking of Poland, which party was it that stood firm against the evils of Communist tyranny throughout the whole life of that movement? From 1917 till 1990, when the Soviet Union finally collapsed, and Eastern Europe was free. The Republican Party. We never had to worry that secret Communist Party members or fellow travelers were getting close to our president. The Democrats did. They’re the party of Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White, and Henry Wallace — each of whom encouraged FDR to knuckle under to Stalin.

No, our party stood by Taiwan, and South Korea, and South Vietnam, and then by Poland when Solidarity faced repression by Communist jackboots. Ronald Reagan flouted the experts, who begged him not to call the Soviet Union an “evil empire.” He laughed at the specialists, who assured him it would last for centuries. He knew that the souls of every person in each of those captive nations were special and precious. And he dreamed of setting them free. He played hardball with the Soviets, but knew when to negotiate. He lived to see our adversary collapse after he left office.

Defending the Most Vulnerable

Today the Republican party stands for the sanctity of life. For individual freedom, and the free exercise of religion. For our right to express ourselves freely. To defend ourselves against violence. For the rights of Christians and other religious minorities in the Middle East to live in peace. For the right of Israel to exist in peace and safety.

We also want to protect some groups of vulnerable Americans you don’t hear about. We want to save less-skilled workers from exploitation. That means controlling our borders and making employers obey the law. So they can’t use illegal immigrants as expendable units in sweatshops. Or run down the wages of less privileged Americans, by replacing them with workers who lack legal protections.

The Golden Thread

From the days when the party was founded, in rejection of cruel, forced labor, to today — when we seek the rule of law on our nation’s borders and justice for unborn children and their mothers … a long golden thread connects these principled stances. And I’m more than a little proud to take up that thread, and carry it into the future. To pass it on, help weave it more deeply into our nation’s tapestry.

So I’ll just go ahead and say it: I’m proud to be a Republican. And you should be too.     https://stream.org/im-proud-gop/


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

“Today the Republican party stands for the sanctity of life. For individual freedom, and the free exercise of religion. For our right to express ourselves freely. To defend ourselves against violence. For the rights of Christians and other religious minorities in the Middle East to live in peace. For the right of Israel to exist in peace and safety.

We also want to protect some groups of vulnerable Americans you don’t hear about. We want to save less-skilled workers from exploitation. That means controlling our borders and making employers obey the law. So they can’t use illegal immigrants as expendable units in sweatshops. Or run down the wages of less privileged Americans, by replacing them with workers who lack legal protections.

The Golden Thread

From the days when the party was founded, in rejection of cruel, forced labor, to today — when we seek the rule of law on our nation’s borders and justice for unborn children and their mothers … a long golden thread connects these principled stances. And I’m more than a little proud to take up that thread, and carry it into the future.”

 
 
 
PJ
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1.1  PJ  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

X - I didn't expect to see you posting tonight.  I thought you might have decided to take a trip to Beverly Hills to see the President.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  PJ @1.1    6 years ago

No.  I couldn’t make it....  I’m just proudly GOP in this by far worst state in the union. We send him our support some 500-600 miles away.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    6 years ago
I’m just proudly GOP in this by far worst state in the union.

#1 in GDP growth

#1 in business environment

#1 in Patent creation

#1 in Venture capital

#1 in Public Health

Top 10 in low debt at graduation

Top 10 in 2 year college graduation rates

Top 10 in 4 year graduation rates

Top 10 in lowest smoking rates

Top 10 in lowest suicide rates

Top 10 in lowest obesity rates

Top 10 in lowest infant mortality rates

Pays more in taxes than it takes in entitlements

I'd say we are far from being the worst State in the union. Do we have issues with a high cost of living? Yes, because we're a capitalist society that works on supply and demand and the demand is very great considering we also have the highest population of any State.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.2    6 years ago

using your logic to explain Cali's high cost of living, why isn't Texas number 2 in high cost of living?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.3    6 years ago
using your logic to explain Cali's high cost of living, why isn't Texas number 2 in high cost of living?

Texas has 570,640 square miles of land while California has 155,779. So while Texas may be #2 in population, it also has nearly 3 times the space. Also, space isn't the only factor as location, views and climate are also part of the high demand in those cities with high costs of living in California.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.4    6 years ago

The size you listed for Texas belongs to Alaska.  Texas is more like 265,000 square miles.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.4    6 years ago

Where do you GET your "facts"?

Texas isn't even CLOSE to that figure! 

LMFAO and SMDH

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.5    6 years ago

You are right, I scrolled left on the chart and grabbed the wrong States sq miles, Texas is only 265,000 sq miles which is still a 100,000 more than California so my point still stands.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

The GOP is America’s Political Party.  The party is the best hope for our exceptional country.  

 
 
 
lady in black
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2.1  lady in black  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    6 years ago

No it's not

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lady in black @2.1    6 years ago

Actually, yes it is.  

 
 
 
luther28
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3  luther28    6 years ago

Much of what you say is true, prior to 1964 that is. A GOP that would today shun the likes of Dwight Eisenhower as too far to the left, is no longer the party you describe. Teddy Roosevelt is most likely rolling in his grave waiting for the end of days so he can use that Big Stick on those that destroyed his party.

For all of their pontificating the modern GOP has no moral high ground.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  luther28 @3    6 years ago
For all of their pontificating the modern GOP has no moral high ground.

For all it's faults, the GOP still stands for all that is good for the greatest number of US citizens. The Democrats, in spite of their protests, still stand for subjecting blacks and other minorities to remaining victims, while pandering for their votes. The ugly left wingers still stand for slavery and the KKK and how they fought the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The Democrat party has become a festering gathering spot for all kinds of disgusting identity groups, violent far left radicals, and sexual perverts and weirdos.

Proud to be a patriotic Vet, white, and straight.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.1  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    6 years ago
The ugly left wingers still stand for slavery and the KKK and how they fought the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Hmmmm... All those MAGA hat wearing Nazi's waving tiki torches around last year voted for Clinton?

The Democrat party has become a festering gathering spot for all kinds of disgusting identity groups, violent far left radicals... and sexual perverts and weirdos.

The number on the far left is about the same as the number on the far right. They just announced arrested a group of far right radicals yesterday in connection with a bombing and a separate attempted bombing. One of the guys bid on Trumps boarder wall project. Another guy and his son were robbing houses and Walmarts in IL. Nice upstanding GOP members, I guess since they don't expect they voted for Clinton.

...and sexual perverts...

Didn't the GOP just lose a special election yesterday because the guy that had the job was having an affair, got the woman pregnant and tried to pressure her into having an abortion? Now there's a fine upstanding patriot!

...and weirdos.

There are shit ton of weirdos of all stripes everywhere pick a topic.

Proud to be a patriotic Vet, white, and straight.

I too am proud to be a patriotic veteran. While I am both white and straight I don't really give that much thought. The color of my skin has never factored into any decision I've ever made, then again security doesn't follow me around when I walk into a store and cops don't stop me because "I fit the profile". My sexuality, like skin color, isn't something I could change if I wanted to. Why would I be "proud" of being straight? I just don't get it. I guess if you have no other accomplishments in life those little things might matter... or perhaps it's insecurity. I'm only guessing though as neither applies to me.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @3.1.1    6 years ago

Just have to wonder why so many gays feel the need to have to let their orientation be known. The ones I know seem to go about their lives quietly without waving the rainbow flag. People are born with their sexual preference and orientation, can't say the same for the transgender hysteria.

 
 
 
Randy
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3.1.3  Randy  replied to  evilone @3.1.1    6 years ago
Hmmmm... All those MAGA hat wearing Nazi's waving tiki torches around last year voted for Clinton?

They were obviously plants by the Black lives matter and the Black Panthers (both the new ones and the movies ones..um...wearing make up) who were just trying to make good, honest law abiding White folk carrying their Tiki torches to a BBQ look bad.

 
 
 
Randy
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3.1.4  Randy  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.2    6 years ago
People are born with their sexual preference and orientation, can't say the same for the transgender hysteria.

It's not a preference, just an orientation. Same with transgender people.

 
 
 
luther28
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3.1.5  luther28  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    6 years ago

Kind of funny, Heartland describes the GOP prior to 1964 and you the Dems prior to 1965. This is 2018 and both parties have changed, whether for better or worse can be debated (hotly no doubt). But in my estimation neither party represents the people and that has changed to one degree or another.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.6  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.2    6 years ago
Just have to wonder why so many gays feel the need to have to let their orientation be known.

Because for decades they have been persecuted and shunned and they banded together to stopped taking the shit. Give it another few generations of tolerance and even conservatives won't care.

The ones I know seem to go about their lives quietly without waving the rainbow flag.

Why do those first few words seem like a lie...? hmmm... never mind I don't care.

People are born with their sexual preference and orientation, can't say the same for the transgender hysteria.

The only hysteria are people who think transgendered are peeking at them in the bathroom.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.7  evilone  replied to  Randy @3.1.3    6 years ago
They were obviously plants by the Black lives matter and the Black Panthers... 

Doh! I should have known. I should probably get the on the email list so I know these things.

 
 
 
TTGA
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3.1.8  TTGA  replied to  evilone @3.1.1    6 years ago
Hmmmm... All those MAGA hat wearing Nazi's waving tiki torches around last year voted for Clinton?

Marching around waving a tiki torch and chanting (even self identifying as a Nazi) is not a criminal offense as long as you do not initiate violence.  It may be disgusting behavior but it does not break the law.  I don't believe that those people were the ones who initiated the violence.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    6 years ago

Democrats knowing not the term pride and certainly having none in their own party seek to begrudge us our pride in our Grand Old Party. 

 
 
 
Randy
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3.2  Randy  replied to  luther28 @3    6 years ago
A GOP that would today shun the likes of Dwight Eisenhower as too far to the left, is no longer the party you describe.

Eisenhower would be a Democrat in today's political climate....

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Randy @3.2    6 years ago

John F. Kennedy would have been a Republican in today’s political environment.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

The GOP is by no means perfect but it is by far the better choice for America than the Democrat Party is.   

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4    6 years ago

The voters seem to think so, if the past few elections are any indication. I don't expect that to change this coming November, especially with Hillary, the lefts avowed leader, still going around stumbling and falling and slurring her "what happened" words, and playing the blame game. They can't seem to get rid of the corrupted old cow.

 
 
 
Randy
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4.1.1  Randy  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    6 years ago

Was Hillary Clinton on the ballot the other night PA? Or in Virginia? Or Alabama? I must have been watching other elections?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Randy @4.1.1    6 years ago

Well, which ones were you watching?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Randy @4.1.1    6 years ago
I must have been watching other elections?

She's all over the place blaming and whining and crying and falling down drunk and desperately attempting to be relevant

 
 
 
charger 383
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5  charger 383    6 years ago

neither party suits me.  I'm about 60/40 for Republican but both make me angry

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6  Texan1211    6 years ago

Sure the GOP has many faults--we all do.

But I will always want to get to keep more of what I earn instead of seeing my money go toward wealth redistribution.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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7  Dismayed Patriot    6 years ago

"It favored abolishing slavery as quickly as possible."

And yet the current GOP is a stalwart defender of confederate monuments and ideology which is why all the descendants who continue to wallow in white supremacy all consider themselves Republicans.

"Lawless judges pretended to find a right to destroy the most vulnerable among us, the child in the womb."

Our supreme court justices were "lawless judges"? What utter nonsense. The GOP today stands for protecting kidney bean sized zygotes while abandoning actual born children to unfunded public schools and discrimination as soon as they're born.

"Ronald Reagan and the awakening of American Christians"

"In spite of the wildly speculative and false stories of arms for hostages and alleged ransom payments, we did not—repeat, did not—trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we." - Ronald Reagan Nov 1986

"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." - Ronald Reagan March 1986

Yes, nothing like a liar and thief to awaken American Christians.

"Speaking of Poland, which party was it that stood firm against the evils of Communist tyranny throughout the whole life of that movement?"

All Americans did and anyone claiming otherwise is a slimy partisan snake trying to divide us.

"Today the Republican party stands for the sanctity of life. For individual freedom, and the free exercise of religion."

You can't say you stand for individual freedom in the same sentence as claiming you have the right to decide for every woman what she can do with her own body. We have freedom of religion, no one is forcing anyone to get an abortion.

"From the days when the party was founded, in rejection of cruel, forced labor, to today — when we seek the rule of law on our nation’s borders and justice for unborn children and their mothers … a long golden thread connects these principled stances."

Bullshit. The golden thread weaves together white supremacists, neo-Nazis, KKK members and rabid evangelicals trying to impose their own brand of Christian sharia law on every American because they are so self absorbed and self-righteous.

I consider myself pro-life as well as pro-choice. I support the children who have actually been born and want to enable them regardless of race, gender or ability to get a decent education and access to as many opportunities as possible. No progressive is "pro-abortion", that is a completely ignorant and false label used by ignorant and false Americans to divide us.

This entire article is nothing but conservative fluff meant to stroke undeserving egos and further divide a nation that should stand for freedom and equality instead of the GOP mantra of forced births and discrimination.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7    6 years ago

That might be because there is no GOP mantra of forced births and discrimination.

Just another ploy by Democrats to play yet another victim card.

 
 
 
lib50
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7.1.1  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    6 years ago
That might be because there is no GOP mantra of forced births and discrimination.

WTF?   So GOP is pro choice? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @7.1.1    6 years ago

Please, for once, show me anywhere in the GOP platform where it says one WORD about FORCED births.

Or endorses discrimination.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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7.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    6 years ago
there is no GOP mantra of forced births and discrimination.

Then what would you call trying to ban any and all legal abortions, banning the plan B morning after pill and even trying to limit access to contraceptives? As for discrimination, the GOP has a long history of denying LGTBQ Americans equal rights preferring instead to demand the right to discriminate against them while also pushing discriminatory school voucher programs which effectively re-segregate public schools with financial segregation much like they did at the peak of "white flight" when white homeowners moved to more affluent neighborhoods when white neighborhoods were finally forced to integrate and black Americans were able to buy homes and get loans.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.1.3    6 years ago

Abortions are legal, and you can not claim otherwise, so it is silly to address that part of your 'argument".

Limit to contraceptives? I can where I live.  Can one not obtain forms of contraceptives in all 50 states?

parents should be able to send their kids to private schools if they so choose.

Seems like many Democratic politicians send their kids to private schools.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.1.3    6 years ago
'while also pushing discriminatory school voucher programs which effectively re-segregate public schools with financial segregation much like they did at the peak of "white flight" when white homeowners moved to more affluent neighborhoods when white neighborhoods were finally forced to integrate and black Americans were able to buy homes and get loans.'

Which is exactly what Betsy Devos (the ignorant rich bitch) is doing.  

 
 
 
lib50
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7.1.6  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.4    6 years ago
Abortions are legal, and you can not claim otherwise, so it is silly to address that part of your 'argument".

Why do republicans do everything to stop them?  Stop access, blatant misinformation, discrimination against WOMEN BY TREATING THEIR FEMALE PHYSIOLOGY DIFFERENT THAN A MALE.  Female reproduction is part of our entire physiology and they want to reduce it to sex and sluts and condoms.  We don't think that discrimination is silly. 

 
 
 
evilone
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7.1.7  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.4    6 years ago
parents should be able to send their kids to private schools if they so choose.

Not on my dime. My dime should be used to increase teacher pay, reduce class sizes, increase resources and building upkeep. Things shown to improve graduation rates. Properly funded schools would reduce the number of people wanting to send their kids to private schools. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @7.1.7    6 years ago

The problem has never been money in schools. We spend as much as almost every country on earth on education, and much more than most. Our results suck. If money was the solution, our education system never would have gotten so bad.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @7.1.6    6 years ago

Are women allowed to get abortions or not in this country or not?

 
 
 
evilone
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7.1.10  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.8    6 years ago
The problem has never been money in schools. We spend as much as almost every country on earth on education, and much more than most. Our results suck. If money was the solution, our education system never would have gotten so bad.

Oh sure, we were so well funded in MN that the last Republican Governor took education funds every year and put them in the general fund, while buildings were condemned and teachers had to pay for supplies out of their own pockets. This wasn't and still isn't an isolated incident. This is the Republican playbook. Another problem are the poor school districts that don't have a tax base to properly fund their school. Not all of these are urban minority districts either. More and more small rural towns no longer have the tax base to keep schools properly funded. Funneling public education dollars to charter schools and voucher programs only compounds the issues. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @7.1.10    6 years ago

Sorry, but look at what we spend as a country compared to other nations.

Does the United States spend more per student than most ...
www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/apr/21/jeb-bush/does...

Apr 21, 2015 · The most recent OECD study -- from 2014 using 2011 data -- shows that the United States spends $12,731 per student on secondary education. Four countries -- Austria, Luxembourg, Norway and Switzerland -- spend more.
U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows ...
...

In 2010, the United States spent 7.3 percent of its gross domestic product on education, compared with the 6.3 percent average of other OECD countries. Denmark topped the list on that measure with 8 percent of its gross domestic product going toward education.

Including results for how much do countries spend on education?.
Do you want results only for how much do countries sopend on education??
$12,401 per
Response: Total expenditures for public elementary and secondary schools in the United States amounted to $621 billion in 2011–12, or $12,401 per public school student enrolled in the fall (in constant 2013–14 dollars, based on the Consumer Price Index).
Fast Facts - National Center for Education Statistics
nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66

 
 
 
evilone
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7.1.12  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.11    6 years ago

You totally ignored the points I made.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @7.1.12    6 years ago

You made a point that MN schools are underfunded. I proved that isn't so. They rank 19th in per pupil spending, but have better results than some states that spend less, which makes no sense if what you claim is true is fact.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.5    6 years ago

Betsy DeVoss is a great American.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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7.1.15  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.14    6 years ago

You're so funny !!! Betsy Devos is dumber than a bag of hammers. Her wealth never improved her intellect, sadly.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.14    6 years ago

laughing dude  yes and so is her brother - Prince - killer for hire - remember Blackwater?

 
 
 
TTGA
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7.2  TTGA  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7    6 years ago
The GOP today stands for protecting kidney bean sized zygotes while abandoning actual born children

In 1973, when Roe v Wade was decided, no one was able to chart the human genetic pattern.  Therefore, viability was used to define when a fetus becomes a human being.  That is now outdated.  When the genetic pattern of a fetus is fully human but different from that of either of its parents, that fetus is a human being and should have all the rights of a human being, including the right to not be killed unless it is done as a justifiable homicide.  Current law defines justifiable homicide as the killing of a human being that is done in order to prevent death or great bodily harm being inflicted by the person who is killed.  SCOTUS needs to update into the 21st Century.

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.2.1  charger 383  replied to  TTGA @7.2    6 years ago

but it is still taking from the mother and if she does not want to give away her energy and fluids and it is her right to discontinue that at any time

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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7.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TTGA @7.2    6 years ago
When the genetic pattern of a fetus is fully human but different from that of either of its parents, that fetus is a human being and should have all the rights of a human being

I disagree. There is nothing in the law that says genetic pattern is what determines if you're eligible for human rights. My sperm has a genetic pattern, do you get to regulate that as well? Sure, it's my DNA signature but wouldn't that mean it's living clone tissue? The supreme court ruled on viability and most Americans are just fine with their ruling. If you want to debate lowering their time line to 20 or even 15 weeks, go for it, but stop trying to ban abortion at conception, it's just moronic not to give women a window of choice. Right now 92% of all abortions occur at or prior to 12 weeks and I'm fine with that.

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
7.2.3  TTGA  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.2.2    6 years ago
There is nothing in the law that says genetic pattern is what determines if you're eligible for human rights.

The operative words there are in the law.  I believe that I stated that the SCOTUS needs to get into the 21st Century.  The present definition used in the law is from the mid 20th Century when the definition of human was not medically correct, since the human genome had not been fully charted and defined.

My sperm has a genetic pattern,

I stated that the genetic pattern must be fully human.  Sperm cells are not fully human since they contain only half of the genetic material required for a human being.  They must combine with the genetic material from an egg in order to have a fully human genetic pattern. 

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
7.2.4  TTGA  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.1    6 years ago
if she does not want to give away her energy and fluids and it is her right to discontinue that at any time

Incorrect.  She volunteered for that when she chose to have unprotected sex.  When it comes to being a matter of choice, the woman had plenty of choices regarding an unwanted pregnancy.  First, she chose to not use birth control.  Second, she chose not to have a tubal ligation.  Third, she chose to spread her legs while knowing that she was not protected.  After making three bad choices, what are the chances that her fourth choice, to deliberately kill another human being, will be a good one?  A lack of respect for human life before birth leads to a lack of respect for human life after birth.  That ends up leading to Susan Smith.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
7.2.5  Thrawn 31  replied to  TTGA @7.2.3    6 years ago

Until it is capable of surviving outside of the womb it has no rights IMO. 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.6  charger 383  replied to  TTGA @7.2.4    6 years ago

she has as much right to an abortion as to get a haircut, trim her toenails or get a tattoo

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.7  charger 383  replied to  TTGA @7.2.4    6 years ago

she has the right to have any kind of sex she desires

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.2.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Thrawn 31 @7.2.5    6 years ago

That it you refer to was every one of us at some point in our lives.  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.9  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.2.8    6 years ago

Became one of us after being an it for a while and many did not pass that stage

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.10  charger 383  replied to  TTGA @7.2.4    6 years ago

She has the right to volunteer to have an abortion, pencils have erasers for a reason

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  TTGA @7.2    6 years ago

How stupid.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  TTGA @7.2.4    6 years ago
'Incorrect.  She volunteered for that when she chose to have unprotected sex.'

Bull fucking shit

How would you know if it was unprotected or not?  Before viability - it's the woman's choice - not yours.  Mind your own damned business.  No human beings are being killed.  A fetus - a clump of cells.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.2.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.12    6 years ago

Please use more than one liners, two word comments, and bad language. As to the one point you tried to make, we were all once that clump of cells and we are human.  So we are from conception onward.  

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
9  Thrawn 31    6 years ago

I take no pride in any political party whatsoever. I vote based on which candidate aligns more with my views and positions. 

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
9.1  TTGA  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9    6 years ago
I take no pride in any political party whatsoever. I vote based on which candidate aligns more with my views and positions.

Very close to my position Thrawn, with one exception.  I have never found a professional politician yet who is actually honest about their views and positions, so I no longer vote for a candidate.  I vote against the candidate who is farthest from my views and positions.  I don't waste time or my vote on candidates from third parties, since they have no real chance of winning anyway.  What I do is try to have at least some chance of helping defeat the one I despise the most.  On a moral and social scale, all professional politicians rank one step below a lawyer and two steps below a pimp.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
9.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  TTGA @9.1    6 years ago

Haha we are similar voters.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
9.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9    6 years ago

Same here. I don't need a politically biased party to tell me how I should think or vote. I vote by candidate qualifications for the position they are running for, not party affiliation.

However, I know that, like all politician, they tell you one thing and once elected do what they please. They all talk the talk, but, very few ever walk the walk once elected. So I take that into consideration as well and vote for the ones who I hope will do the least harm to our country and its people, regardless of their political party affiliation. 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
9.2.1  charger 383  replied to  Raven Wing @9.2    6 years ago

most elections are the choice of lesser of 2 evils

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @9.2    6 years ago

I join a political party that is close to my own personal beliefs and opinions.  I don’t vote because of what a party says to do.  I affiliate with and support a party and candidates most closely to my own beliefs.  

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
9.2.3  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.2.2    6 years ago
I join a political party that is close to my own personal beliefs and opinions.

And then you look for news and information that verifies your ideology.  Not belonging to a political party forces you to look at each issue and each politician.  Never in my life have I belonged to either party, and I've voted across party lines most of the time.  Not belong to the parties also allows a more 'fair and balanced' analysis. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lib50 @9.2.3    6 years ago

My ideas yes, you bet.  Party not so much.  I didn’t vote Republican for President in November 2016.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9    6 years ago

Then don’t begrudge those of us who do have a sense of pride in their political party the right to do so in peace.  

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
10  A. Macarthur    6 years ago

BADGE OF HONOR (and PRIDE).

Show your GOP Pride!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
10.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  A. Macarthur @10    6 years ago

Sorry but I’m not a fan of the Bannon/Buchanan wing of populism.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
11  lennylynx    6 years ago

The first type of pride mentioned fits Trump to a tee.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lennylynx @11    6 years ago

No, actually it does not.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
11.1.1  lennylynx  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11.1    6 years ago

Does so!  Morning HA, donut?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lennylynx @11.1.1    6 years ago

“But there’s another kind. And it’s bound up in gratitude. We see that we have been blessed. In our hearts, we recognize that we take part in something great, and good. We didn’t create it, but we signed onto it. When the gift was offered, we accepted. We’re thankful, and we feel honored. We try to give something back. Or better, to pay it forward. That’s the kind of pride we ought to take in our country. In our church. In our family, and in all the other worthy groups we take part in that build up society.”            This is the pride of Trump and the GOP.  

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
12  bugsy    6 years ago

Everyone...and I mean EVERYONE...knows liberalism is nothing but a failed cult, much like Jim Jones or Brother XII. I really don't blame those that follow the lies of liberalism, as they are easy to manipulate with thought. Hell, just look at the posts most of them make just on here. They are nothing more than DNC talking points and one of them, no names mentioned, cries about the same thing over and over again, day after day, usually about some made up shit of Trump lying over 2000 times.

Liberals don't get it. If he lied, we don't care, as long as it does not harm our national security or our finances (remember "you will save 2500 per family"). As long as our paychecks are a little larger, our 401Ks are stronger, the economy is stronger, and soon, our borders will be far more secure than at anytime the loser that just left the White House secured it.

For over 8 years, when we criticized Obama for his policies, we were met with "racist". That word today has no meaning. Their other comeback was always "but Bush". Not one of them had/has an original thought.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bugsy @12    6 years ago

And they never will.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
13  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

To those who complain I only seed negative stuff about secular progressives, I point you to this and many other seeds.  

 
 

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