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Easter-deniers vs. Easter’s Reality

  

Category:  Religion & Ethics

Via:  heartland-american  •  6 years ago  •  534 comments

Easter-deniers vs. Easter’s Reality

Expect the anti-Christian left to go all giddily gleeful over the April Fool’s Day date of Easter this Sunday. What a juicy opportunity for the God deniers to amp up their full-throated mock-fest against Christians as gullible morons. Deluded idiots who believe against all reason in a God who callously sacrificed his own Son in order to arrange a heavenly reunion with His followers. All we Christian fools have got is faith, they scoff, and faith is nothing but empty, irrational hope.

These deep thinkers have their own faith that they insist relies on the holy writ of reason and science. Reason and science lead them to their catechism: that life began from primal stirrings of an inorganic hot mess that through lucky trial and error “evolved” itself into complex critters like tarantulas and lobsters and elephants and, eventually, human beings. Just don’t ask where the hot mess originally came from. Their version of reason is to believe by faith that a whole lot of something can come from absolutely nothing. And they call this science?

To be fair, there are some God-deniers who do have an explanation of the origination of life on Earth. Sort of. Celebrated DNA discoverer and Pulitzer Prize winner, the late molecular biologist Francis Crick, along with his colleague the late biochemist Dr. Leslie Orgel among others, argued that life developed from seeds spread here by extraterrestrials from an advanced civilization possibly via spaceship. So the entire planet is an experiment in horticulture.

And more recently British professional atheist, evolutionary biologist, and self-anointed “brilliant” Richard Dawkins, joined them in promoting this theory, called “panspermia,” which is Latin for “we’ll go to any wacky lengths to avoid the obvious truth of God the Creator.” It takes a real genius these days to tell science fiction from science. And these are the very same high-forehead gang as the “scientists” who every Easter pen their splendidly-articulated trashing of Christians as hopeless optimists hooked on an elaborate mythology of a God who loves them.

But as outlandish as the Easter story may seem -- God coming down to earth in a man-suit as Jesus Christ to reconcile us fallen humans with Him -- that panspermia theory certainly beats Christianity for sheer wild-eyed fiction. Bigtime.

Christianity-bashers are also fond of dismissing the Bible as elaborate fairy tales with no basis in fact or history. The marvelous science called archaeology has proved them wrong. Excavations validating the Biblical text have identified hundreds of artifacts, events, ancient place names, and the historicity of individuals such as Herod and Pontius Pilate who figure in Jesus’ story, as well as Jesus of Nazareth Himself. The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible by Joseph M. Holden and Norman Geisler is a fascinating trove of these discoveries.

There is a factual foundation on which Easter and thus Christianity rests; that the Biblical account is true of Christ’s death as a willing sacrifice by God Himself (as Jesus) so that we could enjoy eternity with Him in Heaven. The philosophical foundation of Christianity is much harder for some to believe than the resurrection miracle itself: that the God who created the heavens and the earth is so crazy about humanity that he arranged this reunion with us at great personal expense and physical pain.

But how do we know that the miracle of Easter actually happened? How do we know the disciples weren’t just inventing a sensational tale that the man they had followed for three years and seen murdered on the cross, after being entombed had conquered death by rising again to life? How do we know that Jesus appeared to them 12 times in the weeks after his “death,” and ate with them, and made them breakfast on a Galilee beach – how can we believe?

The most convincing proof, apart from the first-person accounts of the disciples at the time, may be the dramatic change in His followers who had fled the gruesome scene of Jesus’ crucifixion, their world and their hopes torn apart. But afterwards, when they had seen him, they were instantly transformed from sniveling cowards to bold evangelists.

As they walked and talked with the risen Christ, ate with him and examined the wounds on his hands and side, their emotions turned from despair to overwhelming joy.

His last instructions before he ascended into Heaven were to preach the gospel to all the world. This fragile band of believers became a determined, courageous army that traveled to take Christ’s message throughout the ancient world. The Word would ultimately spread until even in our era, Christianity is the leading religion on the globe with more believers than any other.

Their faith was rooted in reason, as ours is today. All of the disciples except John were eventually murdered by the brutal pagan despots of the time. Many will give their lives for a lie, but who will risk death for a lie they know is a lie?

No, their reason and the miracles they had seen convinced them that Jesus was the Son of God and His parting words were truth: “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teach them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” ( Matt. 28:18-20.)   https://townhall.com/columnists/joyoverbeck/2018/03/29/easterdeniers-vs-easters-reality-n2465777


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

“The most convincing proof, apart from the first-person accounts of the disciples at the time, may be the dramatic change in His followers who had fled the gruesome scene of Jesus’ crucifixion, their world and their hopes torn apart. But afterwards, when they had seen him, they were instantly transformed from sniveling cowards to bold evangelists.

As they walked and talked with the risen Christ, ate with him and examined the wounds on his hands and side, their emotions turned from despair to overwhelming joy.

His last instructions before he ascended into Heaven were to preach the gospel to all the world. This fragile band of believers became a determined, courageous army that traveled to take Christ’s message throughout the ancient world. The Word would ultimately spread until even in our era, Christianity is the leading religion on the globe with more believers than any other.

Their faith was rooted in reason, as ours is today. All of the disciples except John were eventually murdered by the brutal pagan despots of the time. Many will give their lives for a lie, but who will risk death for a lie they know is a lie?”   Joy Overbeck is a Colorado journalist, author and Townhall columnist who has also contributed to The Washington Times, The Daily Caller, American Thinker, BarbWire and elsewhere.“

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

Shouldn't this be moved to the superstition category rather than be in the news category?

Otherwise it just sounds like you're proselytizing.

It has been moved to the Religion & Ethics category {SP}

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Skrekk @1.1    6 years ago

It was in the current news and politics articles where it came from and was written by a generally secular issues writer.  

 
 
 
Randy
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1.1.3  Randy  replied to  Skrekk @1.1    6 years ago
Otherwise it just sounds like you're proselytizing.

It is.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Randy @1.1.3    6 years ago

Thumpity, thump, thump thump.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.5  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    6 years ago

And not stand up to fascism? Pretty sure that is exactly what fascists want.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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1.1.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Skrekk @1.1    6 years ago
Otherwise it just sounds like you're proselytizing.

With a massive dose of blithering. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.1.6    6 years ago

Only to those who can’t stand exposure to any of our Holiday seasons.  

 
 
 
epistte
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1.1.8  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.7    6 years ago
Only to those who can’t stand exposure to any of our Holiday seasons.

Your holiday is not shared by everyone, despite your religious hyperbole. It is most definitely not an American holiday either. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.9    6 years ago

It absolutely is. 

 
 
 
Randy
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1.1.11  Randy  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.10    6 years ago

If you are in it it is because it demands regimentation. If you are not in it it is because you are a target of it to try to make you a member of the regiment. For your own good of course. /s

I had enough regimentation in the military.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1.13  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.12    6 years ago

What were DOMA, DADT, anti-miscegenation laws, sodomy bans and blasphemy laws other than Christofascism and Christian sharia law?

 
 
 
epistte
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1.1.14  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.12    6 years ago
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

With the obvious exception of not being nationalistic because churches do not respect political borders, that is the description of organized religion. The fact that each church believes that they are the one true church is a religious corollary of nationalism

 
 
 
Randy
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1.1.15  Randy  replied to  epistte @1.1.14    6 years ago

It is and that each church demands, to the point of public humiliation and even banishment, including banishment that can even  include banishment from their own family, that each person obey a strict set of established laws, many times without clear explanation.

 
 
 
epistte
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1.1.16  epistte  replied to  Randy @1.1.15    6 years ago

Organized religion is every bit as authoritarian and hierarchical as the military. They both executed their traitors in the past. Religion executed people for heresy and the military for spying/treason.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @1.1.5    6 years ago

There are no fascists here on NewsTalkers.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.18  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.17    6 years ago

Here's an extra bump for your seed, lol.

 
 
 
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1.1.19    replied to  epistte @1.1.14    6 years ago
The fact that each church believes that they are the one true church is a religious corollary of nationalist.
Where did you get the idea EACH church believes they are the one true church? I'm a member of the Assemblies of God because its doctrine has more things that I believe than other denominations do. It has some things I don't agree with and others I'm not convinced of but the majority of it is the same as my personal beliefs. I certainly don't believe its the one true church.
I believe all faiths have some of the truth but none have all of it.
I'm sure Jesus didn't come to Earth to start a million diffifrent religions fighting like a pack of wild dogs over the last bone on planet Earth.
 
 
 
epistte
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1.2  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago
“The most convincing proof, apart from the first-person accounts of the disciples at the time,

There are no first person accounts of the disciples.

Easter is a rebranded pagan festival of Spring fertility.

Most historians, including Biblical scholars, agree that Easter was originally a pagan festival. According to the New Unger’s Bible Dictionary says: “The word Easter is of Saxon origin, Eastra, the goddess of spring, in whose honour sacrifices were offered about Passover time each year. By the eighth century Anglo–Saxons had adopted the name to designate the celebration of Christ’s resurrection.” However, even among those who maintain that Easter has pagan roots,

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  epistte @1.2    6 years ago

Even the way Easter is calculated every year is based on Pagan ideas.

Easter is always the first Sunday following a full  moon after the Vernal Equinox. When I learned that in RCIA I was kinda surprised at how paganistic it sounded but none of the instructors even blinked

 
 
 
epistte
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1.2.2  epistte  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.1    6 years ago
moon after the Vernal Equinox. When I learned that in RCIA I was kinda surprised at how paganistic it sounded but none of the instructors even blinked

We were not supposed to think about that. I didn't know that we were supposed to be obedient little religious drones, so I typically asked the nuns why in CCD.

It seldom ended well.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2.3  cjcold  replied to  epistte @1.2    6 years ago

So let's get back to the dancing around the campfire nekkid thingy. This atheist is intrigued.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  cjcold @1.2.3    6 years ago

It can be dangerous

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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1.2.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.1    6 years ago
Even the way Easter is calculated every year is based on Pagan ideas.

Well, the Jews won't be happy to hear you call them pagans.  The timing of Easter is roughly based on the changing dates of Passover (the Last Supper was a seder) due to a way of reckoning the Hebrew calendar in a way that I have never been able to understand making it the single nod of Christianity to what was supposed to be its roots.  

 
 
 
epistte
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1.2.6  epistte  replied to  cjcold @1.2.3    6 years ago

Check out the clothing (very) optional Starwood festival in southern Ohio. I went one year but it was a bit too weird for my taste. It's like Woodstock 1969, without the loud music and a lot less media coverage.

Witchvox website is good to locate pagan activities closer to your home. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2.7  cjcold  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.4    6 years ago

I know! scorched a few hairs back in the 60s.

 
 
 
Randy
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1.2.8  Randy  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.4    6 years ago
It can be dangerous

The whole flying sparks thingie...who me?

 
 
 
lennylynx
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1.3  lennylynx  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

But what about the Easter Bunny, HA, tell us about Bunny!  I like bunnies...

 
 
 
Randy
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1.3.1  Randy  replied to  lennylynx @1.3    6 years ago

And how does the bunny lay eggs? And different colored ones at that that are already hard boiled? I like bunnies too, especially baby bunnies...

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.3.2  Skrekk  replied to  Randy @1.3.1    6 years ago

My wolves absolutely love baby bunnies!    Sometimes they even swallow before chewing.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.3.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Randy @1.3.1    6 years ago
And how does the bunny lay eggs?

painfully

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.4  cjcold  replied to  Randy @1.3.1    6 years ago

I could tell you but a division of DARPA would make us both sorry for my indiscretion.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.3.5  MrFrost  replied to  lennylynx @1.3    6 years ago
I like bunnies...

In a stew, with red taters...delicious.... Careful with he salt though...

 
 
 
Randy
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1.3.6  Randy  replied to  Skrekk @1.3.2    6 years ago

Keep your wolves away from my baby bunnies! One of my Shih-Tzus made friends with a bunny every time I took her on a walk in L.A. Took her about two months to get the bunny to trust her. She ended up licking the bunny on it head every time she saw her.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.7  devangelical  replied to  Randy @1.3.6    6 years ago

Taste test.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.3.8  Skrekk  replied to  Randy @1.3.6    6 years ago
She ended up licking the bunny on it head every time she saw her.

She's just sucking up to her master.   She knows the bunny could take her one on one.

One day my hybrids found where the rabbits were hiding in the yard.....in the 30 seconds it took me to get over there one of them had already swallowed 3 juvenile rabbits.   They were pretty big but not yet adults so he'd crunch them once and then swallow before grabbing the next one.    I think he regretted it a few days later.

A year or two later the other hybrid was hanging out by the burn pile for a while and when I called him in he waddled because he had eaten lots of......something.    He coughed up chunks of meat the moment he stepped inside so I put him in the kennel overnight.   In the morning I counted 3 pairs of adult-sized rabbit ears in the kennel, all still attached at the base.

By the way all my hybrids (since the first one) have been raised to be very dog friendly so they know that Shih-Tzus are dogs and not prey.   They also seem to know that they're too small to play with.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

This discussion is a sad commentary on the human race, not to mention Newstalkers. 

People who believe in the Christian faith don't deserve the deluge of disdain that flows forth, at any mention of "God" on this site, from a coterie of seemingly professional atheists whose interest only seems to come to life when there are "bible-thumpers" to be attacked. 

But neither do non-believers deserve the tsunami of scriptural references and tortured arguments that flood from the minds and mouths of the "Christians" , who often sound like ignorant fanatics. 

Tomorrow is Easter, the holiest day in the Christian religion. 

What happened to "live and let live" ? Or a truce for Easter week? 

If I had a dollar for every time we see the same tired arguments about the existence of God on this site , from both sides, I could start my own church. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.5  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

Now you are scaring me!

 
 
 
JBB
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2  JBB    6 years ago

Can't you celebrate your saviors resurrection without bashing those who do not share your faith?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @2    6 years ago

Why is it that the bashers consider believers defending their beliefs as a bashing of their bashing side.  Must the secular progressives always consider everything a believer believes to be an attack upon them?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.1  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago

Perhaps it is the venom with which the believers profess their own beliefs as if they are the only ones who have the right to believe the way the choose to believe, and the rest are unworthy of consideration.

I have no qualms with how others believe and respect their right to do so. However, I do expect the same consideration of my own rights to believe how and what I choose to. Just because my belief does not fall in line with those who feel they are the only ones who have the right to choose, it does not make it wrong for me. 

We each have our own path to walk in life, and just because it is not in lock step with someone else's path does not mean it is wrong. 

If everyone practiced more Harmony and tolerance in their own life, instead of trying to tell everyone else how to live theirs, the would just might be a better place for everyone. 

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.2  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago
Why is it that the bashers consider believers defending their beliefs as a bashing of their bashing side.

The Bible says that you should care for immigrants and protect them like you do citizens, instead of deporting them. It comes from the book of the Bible that is beloved by bibles that oppose LGBT rights.

“When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not wrong him. The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God” (Leviticus 19:33-34).
 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.4  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.3    6 years ago
Why would you quote the Bible on something to do with immigration?

I do support a strict separation of church and state. I am an atheist and I believe that dreamers and such must be protected. We are a nation of immigrants and that doesn't change because some people have embraced xenophobia as a personal crusade. If they want to cite Leviticus I am not going to let them ignore it when it isn't convenient to the conservative cause du jour.  

I don't like Heartland claiming to be a Christian with an avatar that supports rounding up and deporting immigrants when his holy book tells him to do the opposite. Hypocrisy is very offensive to me. 

That isn't the only Bible passage that talks about caring for others.

It is not that difficult to reason out. It is about believing, caring, and embracing our brothers and sisters. In the end, God calls us all—immigrant or not—to the same reality: if we are to be delivered, we will be saved by faith in Jesus. “Therefore, since we are justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have obtained access to this grace in which we stand; and we boast in our hope of sharing the glory of God” (Romans 5:1-2, NRSV).

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.7  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.6    6 years ago
So now you DO want to use the Bible as the basis for immigration policy? But you want a strict separation of church and state?

Why must you and other conservatives always be so binary in your thought processes?

No, I don't want to use the Bible as the basis of our immigration policy.  I only referenced the Bible to highlight the fact that Heartland claims to be a Christian and yet his own Bible tells believers to do otherwise. Our immigration policy must be based on compassion for people coming here seeking a better life. The ethic of reciprocity is an ancient idea that spans most religions and yet doesn't require the person who supports that idea to believe in any religion or deity. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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2.1.8  livefreeordie  replied to  epistte @2.1.2    6 years ago

1.  First of all Christians are not under the laws of Moses. That’s why we have a NEW covenant with God

2. Secondly that passage does not forbid deporting those who break and show no respect for our laws. It means we should care for them with respect.  But we will still maintain our national sovereignty 

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.10  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.8    6 years ago
First of all Christians are not under the laws of Moses. That’s why we have a NEW covenant with God

If that is true then when did Jesus mention LGBT rights? You cannot ignore Leviticus when it is inconvenient.

2. Secondly that passage does not forbid deporting those who break and show no respect for our laws. It means we should care for them with respect.  But we will still maintain our national sovereignty 

I didnt see any mention of national sovreignty or deporting people who didn't walk across a political border at the right crossing in the Bible.  Modern conservatives would deport Jesus because he spoke the wrong language, he was of the wrong race and his skin color was just a bit too dark for their Aryan fantasies. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @2.1.4    6 years ago

I actually support immigration.  In fact, once the wall is built and the border secured, I would support an increase in legal immigration based on our country’s needs.  I even support allowing President Trumps DACA plan and allowing the rest of the illegals here who learn English, work, go to college, etc. to remain here indefinitely as permanent legal resident aliens.  Until the wall is built we must deport all illegals ICE can detain.  

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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2.1.14  magnoliaave  replied to    6 years ago

Sure is hypocritical. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to    6 years ago

Not really. Epistte is making a point using a book that some use to bash others over the head with

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    6 years ago
There were no such thing as LGBT rights in the time of Jesus

Very true, and the Jewish people were allowed to own slaves and as long as they didn't kill them when beating them, it was all legal. Today, we recognize that each of us are humans and we support human rights, and I know this will come as a surprise to you, but those in the LGBT community are humans deserving of human rights.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.18  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago

Religion is an attack on reality.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.19  epistte  replied to    6 years ago
You have stated many times in many different post " There is no God" and the Bible is a collection of fairy tales yet you use the Bible to defend your agenda when it suites your purpose. That's rather hypocritical on your part.

No, it isn't. The Bible tells its believers that they must care for others as themselves, even when those people are not citizens of that land. Why is it that conservative embraced Leviticus when you could cite it to oppose LGBT rights but you have a blind spot the size of the Atlantic ocean on its instruction about caring for immigrants? We see that hypocrisy and are calling you out on it.  You can't pick and choose when it suits your political agenda.

  I am a humanist and I support caring for others who come to the US or other countries seeking political refuge, despite my stance that there is no god. I do not need a holy book or the threat of hell from any god to tell me how to treat others, especially those in distress who are seeking refuge.   Political borders will likely be as irrelevant as state and city borders are in the US in under 50 years because we must start thinking as an integrated global community in order to survive. We cannot continue to be insular and xenophobic and survive in the age of a global internet and world trade in under a week. Information, disease, poverty, and communication do not respect borders.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.20  Hal A. Lujah  replied to    6 years ago

I'm sure if asked if he supported LGBT rights he would have qouted Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE and FEMALE created he them. Jesus wouldn't have considered LGBT rights as a legitimate issue.

Thank god we have you here to speak for Jesus.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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2.1.21  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  epistte @2.1.19    6 years ago
No, it isn't.

They really don't like to have the bible thrown into their faces.  Great response.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.22  epistte  replied to    6 years ago
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE and FEMALE created he them. Jesus wouldn't have considered LGBT rights as a legitimate issue.

Women were property and people owned slaves so that period was not a high point of civil rights. If you want to quote Leviticus in the 21st century as the basis of secular policy you are going to get called on it. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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2.1.23  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to    6 years ago
The strangers spoken of in the Bible didn't enter the country illegally nor did they take up residence in the country Illegally

You act as if you think that ancient borders had immigration check points, when in fact people moved freely all over the place in those days.  For just one well-known example, Marco Polo went all through Southern Asia and into China unimpeded without a passport or a visa (at least by any border guards--local bandits might have been another thing although he didn't report any) stayed for some time to freely roam in the varies countries on the way. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.24  Raven Wing   replied to    6 years ago
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE and FEMALE created he them.

This is something that has always puzzled me about the idea of human evolution. IF God created humans in His own image, then are we to assume that God is an ape? That Adam and Eve were actually apes and not human beings? At what point did Adam and Eve realize they were naked, ergo, without their fur? Somehow what the Bible says and what evolutionists say just does not make a lot of sense. One of them must be wrong. At least it seems so to me. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.25  Skrekk  replied to    6 years ago
Jesus wouldn't have considered LGBT rights as a legitimate issue.

An interesting claim.    Wasn't it on Good Friday or the day before that your hypothetical buddy Jesus ordered his mother to treat his beloved John as her son in law?

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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2.1.26  magnoliaave  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.25    6 years ago

OMG....out of the mouths of babes.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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2.1.30  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to    6 years ago
Oh, so the illegal Mexican border jumpers are now seeking political refuge?

Many are.  You really aren't paying attention, are you.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.32  Raven Wing   replied to    6 years ago

So, after all that, can you simply answer the question.....does God supposedly look like an ape or human being? If he looks like an ape then the evolutionists may be right. If He looks like a human being then the creationists may be right. Myself, I find it hard to think of Him as looking like an ape.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.34  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    6 years ago
I said in the time of Jesus there was no such thing as LGBT rights, that is an accurate statement.

And as I pointed out, there weren't any human rights either. So claiming "Jesus wouldn't have considered LGBT rights as a legitimate issue" isn't actually making any sort of valid argument for or against anything. It would be like saying Jesus didn't put a very high value on airplanes.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.37  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.24    6 years ago

Skirting the CoC [ph]

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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2.1.38  magnoliaave  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.37    6 years ago

I love that and believe it.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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2.1.39  Phoenyx13  replied to    6 years ago
There were no such thing as LGBT rights in the time of Jesus, if there were I'm sure if asked if he supported LGBT rights

there was no such thing as human rights in the time of Jesus ? do you think LGBT individuals are non-human ?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.40  Raven Wing   replied to  magnoliaave @2.1.38    6 years ago

YOU would.

laughing dude

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.41  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.37    6 years ago

Thanks for the best joke of the day. 

laughing dude laughing dude laughing dude

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.42  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.37    6 years ago
Conservatives were created in the image of God while liberals devolved over great time from Apes.

Can your DNA prove that or is that just another conservative religious belief? 

 
 
 
katrix
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2.1.43  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.37    6 years ago

Can you ever post anything without your hatred for everyone who isn't exactly like you coming out?

Hopefully, with the new CoC, your constant attacks will be toned down.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.46  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago

Seems that you do.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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2.1.47  livefreeordie  replied to    6 years ago

Skirting CoC {SP}

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.49  Skrekk  replied to    6 years ago
I said LGBT rights weren't an issue during the time Jesus was on Earth

Note that the concept of LGBT folks didn't even exist until the mid to late 1800s.    Your hypothetical buddy Jesus would have been a product of his benighted era.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.50  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.3    6 years ago
Why would you quote the Bible on something to do with immigration?

Interesting... How would Jesus view Trump's immigration policies? Biased? Racist? Yep. Would Jesus deny anyone shelter or help? No. Never. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.52  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  magnoliaave @2.1.38    6 years ago

Somebody didn’t.....

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.53  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @2.1.42    6 years ago

It was a joke..   Humor.  Something alien 👽 to the powers that be even though it was directed at no individual or member but a broad statement.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.54  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  katrix @2.1.43    6 years ago

Really?  An attack?  Grow up and develop a sense of humor.  👶 

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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2.1.55  Phoenyx13  replied to    6 years ago
I said LGBT rights weren't an issue during the time Jesus was on Earth, from that statement how do you arrive at the idea I think LGBT people are non-human? It looks as though you're trying to pick an arguement were non exist. 

no. you stated this:

There were no such thing as LGBT rights in the time of Jesus,

nothing about it being an "issue" or not - unless you can see the words "issue" in that sentence that nobody else can see ? looks like the one who made it an issue was you.

To make things clear enough for you to understand I support the same humans rights for LGBT people as all law abiding Americans are entitled to.

i'm glad to hear it Laugh

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.56  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago

Weird how most critical thinkers don't see it your way.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.57  epistte  replied to    6 years ago
You don't have any problems picking and choosing the Bible verses that suit your political aganda. You're so messed up you can't even recognize your own hypocrisy.

Jesus was a radical who opposed the political and religious structure of the Jewish hierarchy in that period.  To think that the biblical Jesus would have supported the policies of the GOP is to ignore the message of the gospels.

The fact that Jesus never mentioned gay people or abortion is lost on social conservatives who claim to be his followers. Most social conservatives are more interested in the ideas of the Old Testament and the letters of Paul than they are with the Gospel of Matthew or John. When was the last time that you heard an evangelical quote the Sermon on The Mount in their angry hateful tirades? 

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.58  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.53    6 years ago
Something alien 👽 to the powers that be even though it was directed at no individual or member but a broad statement.

Perrie also didn't think that it was a joke. Personal attacks are not funny, despite your opinions.

 
 
 
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2.1.59    replied to  cjcold @2.1.18    6 years ago

thumbs down

 
 
 
luther28
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2.3  luther28  replied to  JBB @2    6 years ago
Can't you celebrate your saviors resurrection without bashing those who do not share your faith?

One would think so.

I believe the seeder thinks that a greater amount of time is spent by non-believers concocting ways to mess with those of faith than is actually so. The majority (if not all) of my acquaintances spend zero time on this notion, they have greater concerns than the beliefs or non-beliefs of others, as it should be.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.3.1  JBB  replied to  luther28 @2.3    6 years ago

Agreed. Those confident in their mastery over death would logically spend zero time hating on non-believers...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.3.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    6 years ago
Those confident in believing there is no God would logically spend zero time on hating and mocking believers.

Unless, of course, those believers were trying to inject their fantasy beliefs into every facet of secular society, from our government, laws, public spaces and public schools. We have religious freedom in America which means whether you believe or not, you have the same rights as any other citizen, there is no religion that should get a special position in society.

If one religion was trying to push its agenda in our government, laws, public spaces and schools then it would only be logical for non-believers to challenge such undeserved privilege.

 
 
 
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2.3.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to    6 years ago
Those confident in believing there is no God would logically spend zero time on hating and mocking believers.

Believers (at least as represented by the vast majority of which who show up on discussion sites like this)  reap what they sow. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3.5  cjcold  replied to    6 years ago

If religionists didn't have an effect on our lives, we would ignore you.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.3.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    6 years ago
The believers that do dare post their convictions are ridiculed and vilified. The non-believer receives praise and high fives.

I think the non-believers ask tough questions that believers aren't able to answer with anything other than "Well that's what I believe and you can't change my faith!" which isn't really a valid argument for a position. The non-believers only get "high fives" and praise when they make valid cogent arguments for their position. If the non-believers simply claimed that all that had to support their belief in evolution or the big bang theory was faith and not an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment, then they would be the ones who felt ridiculed and vilified.

If you took some of the all time best adult Jeopardy contestants and pit them against your average 8th grader, the 8th grader might feel "ridiculed and vilified" for not being able to compete on any real level considering they would most likely get destroyed. To try and pit educated non-believers against believers who felt their faith was more important than learning facts, believers who likely had higher education ridiculed by their parents and peers, why be surprised that they get the stuffing knocked out of them every time they try and enunciate their faith based reality that has little to do with facts based reality? You might know everything about Jesus and his ministry, but that won't help you on an actual science or geology test, in fact, it may hinder you rather dramatically.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.3.8  TᵢG  replied to    6 years ago

The USA, demographically , is about 70% Christian, 6% non-Christian religion.  The remainder are the irreligious and those not answering.

I doubt this site is so askew of the basic US religious demographics.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3.9  cjcold  replied to  JBB @2.3.1    6 years ago
mastery over death

As a long time paramedic, I'm pretty sure that nobody has an agreement with death. 

 
 
 
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2.3.10    replied to  cjcold @2.3.9    6 years ago

"As a long time paramedic"

Oh Wow so now your also a paramedic in addition to being a medical professional, scientist, and golf course owner. In the last two days you've listed four different professions that you claim to be, I can't wait to see what you are tomorrow and the following days to come. At this rate by this next Friday you'll eighteen different professions, I find that amazing, amazing as in BS laughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dude

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.3.11  MrFrost  replied to    6 years ago
The vast majority that shows up on this site are non-believers. The believers that do dare post their convictions are ridiculed and vilified.

Not at all. You are free to believe as you see fit, just don't expect others to believe as you do. As a deist, I can believe in God, but also accept that there is no proof of a god, or many gods. Nor do I believe that if there is a "God", he or she has any influence on humans at all. Believe as you see fit, just do not ever force it on others, or expect our secular government to allow you any more than your constitutional right to believe in whatever you wish, Your religious freedoms end where someone else's civil rights begin... deal with it. 

 
 
 
Randy
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2.3.12  Randy  replied to  MrFrost @2.3.11    6 years ago

Absolutely right Mr Frost. I never see it as non-believers ridiculing believers in this site as much as I see it as believers showing up here with a real "Fuck You" attitude. They post articles that are are really believe in them or not and then are unwilling to discuss alternatives like agnosticism or atheism which they immediately attack and dismiss. If the "believers" want the be treated more fairly (and I think they are treated as fairly as they deserve now) then they need to cut the confrontational attitude a bit. The come here proselytizing (and they shouldn't bother denying the obvious, because that is exactly what they do) and then expect people to greet them as friends. They expect people to immediately believe as they do, without giving them any reason to, beyond just demands that that's how their holy books says it has to be. I mean what do they expect from their aggressiveness?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.3.13  Skrekk  replied to  @2.3.10    6 years ago
Oh Wow so now your also a paramedic in addition to being a medical professional, scientist, and golf course owner.

Most of the paramedics where I live do it on a volunteer basis so they hold down regular jobs too.   A friend in Colorado is a FWS ranger and a paramedic on the side, and also does both mountain rescue and S&R with her dog.

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At this rate by this next Friday you'll eighteen different professions, I find that amazing, amazing as in BS

Actually that would be Larry Robinson the esteemed pastor, theologian, tax accountant, astronaut, submarine commander, underwear model and international businessman.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3.14  cjcold  replied to  @2.3.10    6 years ago

So you only do one thing? I enjoy doing many things. Many of them coincide.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.3.15  Raven Wing   replied to  @2.3.10    6 years ago
the last two days you've listed four different professions that you claim to be,

What is so odd about that? I've had many different careers during my lifetime. I've worked since I was 12 years old, and each different work experience was a step into a different world that was both enlightening and enjoyable. It helped me grow as a person and in my own knowledge, from Dairy Queen carhop to professional fashion and photography model to owning and operating my own business, to working as a paralegal to being a medical secretary to executive administrative assistance to computer and software technical beta tester to Instructor of computer and software applications at two community college to again owning my own business to Secretary of the Board Of Directors for a technology organization. And during that time I earned a Masters degree in Business Management and became a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP). So what is so odd about having many careers? 

Some people like doing only one type of work in their life, but, some of us like doing different things as our life moves forward and as necessity dictates.  

 
 
 
katrix
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2.3.16  katrix  replied to  Raven Wing @2.3.15    6 years ago

Actually, it might be against the CoC for someone to challenge something like that .. just as it is if I doubt someone who claims they served in the military, when their behavior in here shows they have no respect for our Constitution.  I'm still not allowed to bring it up.  

Personally, I think .. it's the Internet, I take everyone's personal claims with a grain of salt, but in here we're not allowed to challenge them.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.3.17  Raven Wing   replied to  katrix @2.3.16    6 years ago

It does not bother me in the least if someone here does not believe me on what I have done in my life. I am good with how my life has turned out, in spite of the many tragedies that I have faced along the way. I feel they have made me stronger and more understanding of others. I don't need to explain jack to anyone, nor do I owe anyone one. I am proud of the accomplishments I have made in life, and have enjoyed the wide variety of learning curves and challenges they have provided as well, as they have made me the person I am, and I make no excuses for who I am.  

Whether or not challenging someone's career choices is a CoC violation or not is up to the Mods. As we don't all know the various people here on a personal basis, or are intimate of their private life, it is not our call to sit in judgement of anyone. 

Just my own take on it. 

 
 
 
Randy
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2.3.18  Randy  replied to  Raven Wing @2.3.15    6 years ago

I have twin uncles on my father's side (or had, one passed away) and both of them worked for 40 plus years as fork-lift driver for GM in Grand Rapids, Michigan. And I mean that is all they did for their entire working life. The same job. Driving fork-lifts. Every day. Year after year. Now granted they were really great paying UAW jobs and they had great benefits for them and their families, with health, dental, increasing paid vacations, regular raises, job security, employee discounts on new cars, great retirement pensions and health benefits, etc., the whole union gluttonous ball of wax. But all they did for the whole nearly 40 years was drive fork-lifts moving the same type of materials from one part of the production plant, in the same production plant to be made into various car seats for various GM cars and trucks and nothing else. I would have gone out of my fucking mind!

When I was discharged from the Air Force my dad and I got into a big fight because my Uncle Bob and Dick had pulled some strings with the Union and  they had said that they could have gotten me on as a fork-lift driver just like them in a few weeks and in the Union in a few months. You know that was 1977 and that was 40 plus years ago and that GM plant is still there in Grand Rapids and still making various car and truck seats for various GM cars and trucks and if I had taken that job I could have been a fork-lift driver there for the whole past 40 plus years, with the same great pay, benefits, etc. And all I would have had to do was to spend my whole working life driving a fork-lift from one end of the same production plant to the other, hauling basically the same production material, to be made into various car seats for various GM car and truck seats day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, for 40 plus years (and maybe have joined a bowling league) until I retired to Florida.

When I refused and also then refused my dad's offer to get me on with the Teamsters as a Truck Driver like him, he wouldn't talk to me for months because he said I was insulting his and his brother's and his father's (his dad was a working truck driver too) way of life.

Maybe I was?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.3.19  Raven Wing   replied to  Randy @2.3.18    6 years ago
Maybe I was?

I don't think you were. You simply realized that you had a different calling in life. Both my Mother and Father worked different types of work over their life, as did both sets of my Grandparents. Perhaps that is where I got my need for occupation challenges. The more things I learned the more I wanted to learn. In return for the various knowledge that I gathered along the way, I did my best to share it with others who I could help do better in their own life. 

We each have our own path in life, and it may not be one that everyone else would choose. And that is truly one of the beautiful parts that makes the world such an interesting place to be.  

 
 
 
Randy
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2.3.20  Randy  replied to  Raven Wing @2.3.19    6 years ago

I blame my mother's father. Grandpa Ranta always said to try to take the chance to experience as many things as you could because when you got old you would be happier remembering the memories you had then the memories of the things you had a chance to do and didn't. So I did things like when I was in North Dakota and we had a storm and it got down to minus 31 degrees with a minus 105 wind chill when it gusted, I got my gear on and went outside because I wanted to know what it was like to be outside in a blizzard like that and I figured I'd never get another chance to find out, so I grabbed the chance. It was a very strange, incredible and not to be missed sensation.

An old girlfriend of mine when I first came out West to the L.A area to live 27 years ago told me about a place above the San Fernando Valley, up Topanga Canyon Road and then a hike where you could see the whole valley from at night and that it was an incredible sight, so of course I had to go up there that night. We drove up as far as we could and walked for about 1 and 1/2 hours and I was pretty disappointed until were reached a small ledge and then it was something I never thought was possible to see. We were way up and the lights below were like a spray of different colored jewels spread out for dozens of miles below. I was awe struck! I didn't want to leave. I sat there and smoked a joint and just marveled at it for hours. I am glad that I did, because I know that now at my age I could never climb up there again, but I have the memory of it stored safely away.

 
 
 
Randy
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2.3.21  Randy  replied to  Randy @2.3.20    6 years ago

Then again I also remember being in Minneapolis, Minnesota one day in 1975, stoned out of my gourd, at a White Castle Restaurant and sitting on the curb in front of it. I was eating Turkey sliders with a very, very, very wicked case of the munches and they were going down one right after another. However about three feet away from me was the Red driver's side fender of a Minnesota State Highway Patrol car with two officers sitting in it watching me pretty closely (or so I thought) as I kept eating at a pretty good clip. In my very buzzed conditioned I ate 23 Turkey sliders, one small order of fries and drank one regular Coke. I used to wear a a green golf style beret cap back then that looked like it was made out of an old piece of ratty carpet and I tipped it to the officers as I managed to stand up and walk back to our car on the other side of the restaurant. I guess that qualifies as a remembered experience too. The didn't come after us, so I guess they thought I was OK. LOL.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.3.22  Raven Wing   replied to  Randy @2.3.20    6 years ago

There are many opportunities given to us in life, whether or not we take advantage of them is up to us. I can never say that my life was boring. winking

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.3.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  Randy @2.3.18    6 years ago

My dad had several occupations over his life. When he left home, he went to Ohio and worked in a mental hospital. Then he went to Delaware and did the same thing there. Then he got a job working at textile mill. Then he worked for Chrysler putting in the seats. Then he bought a half interest in a dairy farm and was a dairy farmer for 3-4 years. Then he worked in the coal mines until he retired, so he spent probably 30 years in the mines. His last job was township supervisor. That was an elected position and I was very proud that he got elected.

My dad was a wanderer and I think I got some of that from him. There's nothing wrong in changing jobs or interests over the course of your life.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.4  Tacos!  replied to  JBB @2    6 years ago
Can't you celebrate your saviors resurrection without bashing those who do not share your faith?

Where was the bashing?

 
 
 
epistte
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2.4.1  epistte  replied to  Tacos! @2.4    6 years ago
Where was the bashing?

Blue laws, DOMA laws, repealing Roe v.Wade, teaching religious ideas in public schools. Discrimination based on your conservative interpretation of the bible.

Why do you think that we have the separation of church and state in the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution?  That idea isn't there by accident. It is there to prevent the creation of religious beliefs being enforced by the state that happened in Europe.

 
 
 
katrix
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2.4.2  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @2.4    6 years ago

Apparently, you failed to read the first two paragraphs of the article.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3  Krishna    6 years ago

I am not a denier of Easter. Or, in fact, of God herself (Peace Be Upon Her!).

But cute 'lil 'ole Bunny Rabbits laying Easter Eggs-- that's a bridge too far (to coin a phrase).

So yes, I am a "Bunny Rabbits Laying Easter Eggs"  Denier.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1  cjcold  replied to  Krishna @3    6 years ago

I just thought of Robin Trower when you were talking about bridges.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4  Skrekk    6 years ago

It's interesting how Christianity co-opted the festivals of all kinds of different religions and pagan traditions, in this case the Germanic fertility goddess Eostre.    If that's that's where "estrous cycle" comes from then it explains why they kill the rabbit.

In an ironic twist, the Cybele cult flourished on today's Vatican Hill. Cybele's lover Attis, was born of a virgin, died and was reborn annually. This spring festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday, rising to a crescendo after three days, in rejoicing over the resurrection. There was violent conflict on Vatican Hill in the early days of Christianity between the Jesus worshippers and pagans who quarrelled over whose God was the true, and whose the imitation. What is interesting to note here is that in the ancient world, wherever you had popular resurrected god myths, Christianity found lots of converts. So, eventually Christianity came to an accommodation with the pagan Spring festival. Although we see no celebration of Easter in the New Testament, early church fathers celebrated it, and today many churches are offering "sunrise services" at Easter – an obvious pagan solar celebration. The date of Easter is not fixed, but instead is governed by the phases of the moon – how pagan is that?

All the fun things about Easter are pagan. Bunnies are a leftover from the pagan festival of Eostre , a great northern goddess whose symbol was a rabbit or hare. Exchange of eggs is an ancient custom, celebrated by many cultures. Hot cross buns are very ancient too. In the Old Testament we see the Israelites baking sweet buns for an idol, and religious leaders trying to put a stop to it. The early church clergy also tried to put a stop to sacred cakes being baked at Easter. In the end, in the face of defiant cake-baking pagan women, they gave up and blessed the cake instead.

 
 
 
katrix
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4.1  katrix  replied to  Skrekk @4    6 years ago

The resurrection .. the trinity .. all of these myths were taken from older myths.  Noah's Ark is the most famous one, since we have an amazing written record of Gilgamesh.  But facts can't thwart fanatics who are emotionally attached to their myths.  

 
 
 
charger 383
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5  charger 383    6 years ago

I enjoy it as a fun day and will help with an Easter Egg Hunt for kids

I know it is a big day for the religious and hope they have a good time

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @5    6 years ago

It's always been one of my favorite holidays, right behind Thanksgiving. It's a day to relax and wait on that ham to be cooked. I'm gonna take a nap, too

 
 
 
katrix
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5.1.1  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1    6 years ago

So, I did as you asked and reposted Celestina's Elevenish Ways to Kill a Peep.  While I was googling to find her blog site, I noticed several news sites with 10 ways to kill peeps ... copycats!  I'm guessing they read hers, otherwise why would they say 10?  Hmm.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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5.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  charger 383 @5    6 years ago
I know it is a big day for the religious and hope they have a good time

So do I but I get a very strong impression that the ones we meet here just sulk more and use the day to try to devise new strategies to impose their superstitions onto the rest of us. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.2.1  Raven Wing   replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.2    6 years ago
just sulk more and use the day to try to devise new strategies to impose their superstitions onto the rest of us.

Yes, instead of going out and doing work of their faith that could really do some good for those who need help. But, I guess even then it would only be for those that were Christians and agree with their own ideology. 

 
 
 
katrix
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5.2.2  katrix  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.2    6 years ago

I think you're right.  Many of my friends are devout, and they're out and about, getting along with pretty much everyone, being good people, not attacking everyone and being all hateful (even to those of their own religion, such as the Catholic vs Protestant, mainstream Protestant vs fundamentalist, creationist vs young earther stuff we see from them when there are no atheists for them to attack) and having bullshit persecution complexes.  But then, they're not young earthers or literalists, so their brains haven't shut down.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.2.3  Raven Wing   replied to  katrix @5.2.2    6 years ago
Many of my friends are devout, and they're out and about, getting along with pretty much everyone, being good people, not attacking everyone and being all hateful

That's what TRUE Christians do. They are secure in their own faith and have no need to question that of others, whatever their own faith may be. It is only those who do not have faith in themselves or their own belief that feel the need to question or threaten others due to their choice of religious faith, or chastise those who so not believe.

They live their own life and walk their own path in life and let others do the same. They are the true believers, whatever their faith may be. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5.2.4  Skrekk  replied to  katrix @5.2.2    6 years ago
Many of my friends are devout, and they're out and about, getting along with pretty much everyone, being good people

That's what my mom was like.   She wouldn't recognize the religious freaks here.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Raven Wing @5.2.3    6 years ago

Christians are called by Christ to spread the gospel. It's not intended that they be mean about it, but if you think Christians are supposed to be quiet and not broadcast their beliefs, you're wrong.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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5.2.6  Phoenyx13  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.5    6 years ago
Christians are called by Christ to spread the gospel. It's not intended that they be mean about it, but if you think Christians are supposed to be quiet and not broadcast their beliefs, you're wrong.

why would Christ need so many advertisers ?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.7  devangelical  replied to  Phoenyx13 @5.2.6    6 years ago

To keep the holy Ponzi scheme from collapsing.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
5.2.8  Tacos!  replied to  Phoenyx13 @5.2.6    6 years ago
why would Christ need so many advertisers ?

Because God wants us to be social and live as a community. Plus TVs were still very primitive in those days.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.8    6 years ago

He wants all of us to participate in our own way in the great commission.  

 
 
 
katrix
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5.2.10  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.5    6 years ago
Christians are called by Christ to spread the gospel

Nah, you're called by Paul to spread the gospel.  Not by Christ. Have you really not even read the bible, and read the differences in what Jesus and Paul said?

It's sad, how few Christians have actually studied what they spout off about.

 
 
 
katrix
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5.2.11  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.5    6 years ago
Christians are called by Christ to spread the gospel. It's not intended that they be mean about it, but if you think Christians are supposed to be quiet and not broadcast their beliefs, you're wrong.

Yet when anyone else wants to broadcast their beliefs, and get the same consideration as the Christians, the fundies screech about persecution and the war on their religion, and threaten those who disagree with them.   It's not that we intend to be mean about it - we just value the Constitution, and your myths have no more value than anyone else's (such as Zeus, Atum, Isis, Krishna, etc.)

Fundies are called by their churches to brainwash people for money and power.  I watched the live show of Jesus Christ, Superstar, this evening .. and they nailed the fact that it was all about the power of the Roman government, and the clash with the church.  The church ended up winning, and now we've had centuries of mass murders and genocides due to religion.  

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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5.2.12  Phoenyx13  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.8    6 years ago
Because God wants us to be social and live as a community. Plus TVs were still very primitive in those days.

Is this what God told you ? Do you regularly speak to God or have you heard this from one of his public relations employees like Paul ?

nobody knows 100% for sure what God does/wants/looks like/feels etc. - unless you think you do and can give us a clear and distinct definition for everyone ?

Plus, since God is supposed to be all-knowing, he should have put a clause in that stated "keep spreading the word until TV and Computers are everywhere, then you don't have to do it anymore".

 
 
 
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5.2.13    replied to  katrix @5.2.10    6 years ago

Matthew 28:19-20 New King James Version (NKJV)

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Mark 16:15-16 New King James Version (NKJV)

15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

 
 
 
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5.2.14    replied to  Phoenyx13 @5.2.12    6 years ago
Plus, since God is supposed to be all-knowing, he should have put a clause in that stated "keep spreading the word until TV and Computers are everywhere, then you don't have to do it anymore".

God and Jesus didn't speak to people in the Bible about material things that had no knowledge of, what would have been the point? That would have been Isacc Newton saying after he proved the law of gravitation " Gravity can not be escaped until rocket ships can leave the earth.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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6  livefreeordie    6 years ago

We will do as we always do, celebrate the life, death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ.  No Easter eggs, in fact we don’t even mention the word Easter

we speak to each other as the early church (prior to the cult of the Church of Rome)

greeting one another with “He is risen” and the response being “He is risen indeed”.  We will worship Him in songs and spiritual songs, bring a teaching from the Word of God, have communion as He commanded, pray for one another, and then share a meal in the fellowship  of the body.

sometimes we celebrate at a park so we can share food and His love with others

This has been my style of ministry for nearly 40 years

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @6    6 years ago
we speak to each other as the early church (prior to the cult of the Church of Rome)

You speak Aramaic?

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.2  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.1    6 years ago
You DON'T?

Nope. never.

Even my knowldge of latin is laughable.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.4  epistte  replied to    6 years ago
we speak to each other as the early church (prior to the cult of the Church of Rome)

How else am I supposed to interpret this statement? Livefree' isn't a Gnostic or Eastern Orthodox Christian so the only alternative translation of that statement is that he speaks Aramaic or possibly Greek. 

The language of the early (Roman) Catholic church was obviously vulgar and then classical Latin.

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.1.5  cjcold  replied to  epistte @6.1.2    6 years ago

As an old medical professional had to learn a bit of Latin. Too bad it is classified as a dead language.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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6.1.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  epistte @6.1    6 years ago

laughing dude I bow to you applause laughing dude

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
6.1.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  cjcold @6.1.5    6 years ago

Et tu, Brute?

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.8  epistte  replied to  cjcold @6.1.5    6 years ago
As an old medical professional had to learn a bit of Latin. Too bad it is classified as a dead language.

I learned the little bit of Latin that I know of was from Catholic teachings and then terms for physics, upper-level math and some philosophy. I know a little greek from my philosophy classes but I wouldn't consider myself to be even passable as a tourist. 

I tried to learn Latin from a serious of DVDs but it wasn't a success.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
6.1.9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to    6 years ago
Always has to an ass in the crowd

Yes, indeed.  And then there are the smart-asses like episette.  And thank Zeus for that.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.10  epistte  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.1.9    6 years ago
And then there are the smart-asses like episette.

Everyone needs a hobby and an outlet for my stress. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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6.1.11  livefreeordie  replied to  epistte @6.1    6 years ago

It seems you aren’t happy unless you really extend yourself to find a way to denigrate Christians

the obvious context to any rational person was “in the same manner or custom”

in the meantime may you discover the love and hope that is in Jesus

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.12  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @6.1.11    6 years ago
It seems you aren’t happy unless you really extend yourself to find a way to denigrate Christians

I am only asking questions of the most obvious of your illogical statements.   If you don't like my questions then stop being illogical. 

in the meantime may you discover the love and hope that is in Jesus

Exhibit A.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  livefreeordie @6.1.11    6 years ago

Well said live free.  Everyone knows exactly what you were talking about.  The Christian Church before Rome “converted” was a beautiful thing.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.1.14  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.13    6 years ago
The Christian Church before Rome “converted” was a beautiful thing.

Rome was beautiful before it adopted Christianity and made it the official religion of the empire.    Shortly after that Rome collapsed, no doubt in part due to Christianity and the horrors it caused.

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.1.15  cjcold  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.1.7    6 years ago

I don't let anybody near my back anymore. Especially not good friends.

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.1.16  cjcold  replied to  epistte @6.1.8    6 years ago

I learned medical and scientific terminology, but speaking any other language than English is problematic. English is the language of pilots.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.17  epistte  replied to  cjcold @6.1.15    6 years ago
I don't let anybody near my back anymore. Especially not good friends.

Or family.

 
 
 
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6.1.18    replied to  epistte @6.1.17    6 years ago

Skirting the CoC [ph]

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6.1.19  Raven Wing   replied to  @6.1.18    6 years ago
I'm pretty sure you don't have any " Good Friends"

And did God die and you got named to judge others in His place? How would YOU know if she or anyone else has any "Good Friends"? And how do WE know that YOU have and any "Good Friends"?

Don't pretend to stand In God's shoes to judge others. Concentrate on your OWN life and try to see how much better YOU can be.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
6.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @6    6 years ago
we speak to each other as the early church (prior to the cult of the Church of Rome)

Wow, that tells us more about you than all of your other comments combined.  And it didn't improve anything. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.2.1  cjcold  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2    6 years ago

I expect Tom Hanks will star in the story of his life.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.2.2  epistte  replied to  cjcold @6.2.1    6 years ago
I expect Tom Hanks will star in the story of his life.

Sean Penn or Mel Gibson would be more amusing.

 
 
 
katrix
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6.2.3  katrix  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2    6 years ago

Fundies apparently hate all other Christians as much as they hate atheists.  Very strange.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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6.2.4  livefreeordie  replied to  katrix @6.2.3    6 years ago

I am not a fundamentalist nor have I ever hated anyone

 
 
 
katrix
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6.2.5  katrix  replied to  livefreeordie @6.2.4    6 years ago

Your comment about Catholics implies otherwise ... at the very least, it shows an arrogance towards other Christians who don't share your interpretation of the Bible.  Considering the number of people who have been murdered because of Protestant vs. Catholic faith, even though they all worship the same god - as if their god isn't enough above humans to have different approaches to it, and as if any human could possibly know for certain what it thought - I find that comment to be pretty hateful.

Go read about Henry VIII, then Bloody Mary, then Elizabeth (or, more recently, the Irish "troubles") if you think it's acceptable to pretend Catholics are any less Christian than you are. It's not helpful with the 33,000 different Christian sects in existence when you turn on others as if you are somehow a prophet who can somehow fathom the mind of God, and they're not true Christians.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.2.6  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @6.2.4    6 years ago
I am not a fundamentalist nor have I ever hated anyone

LOL.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.2.7  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @6.2.4    6 years ago
I am not a fundamentalist nor have I ever hated anyone

Your Christian views are quite fundamentalist. Maybe you have a different definition of what a fundamentalist is.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.2.8  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @6.2.4    6 years ago

Does hating reality count?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  livefreeordie @6.2.4    6 years ago

I can say the same and I agree with you.  I also agree that the Church based in Rome has some serious doctrinal issues.  If they didn’t, there would not have been a Protestant reformation in the first place.  

 
 
 
katrix
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6.2.10  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.9    6 years ago

Are you truly that ignorant about your religion?  The Protestant religion was formed because Henry VIII wanted to divorce Catherine and marry Anne Boleyn.  The Pope wouldn't allow it, so he formed his own religion. Then, his two daughters murdered hundreds of people as they went from Papist to Protestant and back.

Geesh.  I cannot believe this.  Well, actually, I can.  Most fundies are ignorant about their own religions, from what I've seen in here.

 
 
 
katrix
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6.2.11  katrix  replied to  katrix @6.2.10    6 years ago

Now, you're correct about the doctrinal issues of the original Christian religion.  It was all about politics, and they picked and chose which gospels they wanted to include in the bible, and corrupted any possible meaning that Jesus had in favor of Paul, assuming either of them existed.  And yet this is the bible you base your hatred on - the very bible assembled by the church you so disdain.

 
 
 
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6.2.12    replied to  katrix @6.2.10    6 years ago
The Protestant religion was formed because Henry VIII wanted to divorce Catherine and marry Anne Boleyn.

Comment removed for CoC violation [ph] to know Henry VIII started the Chruch of England. Protestantism originated from work of several theologians starting in the 12th century, although there could have been earlier cases of which there is no surviving evidence.

The English church renounced papal authority when Henry VIII failed to secure an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon in 1534.[9] The English Reformation accelerated under Edward VI's regents, before a brief restoration of papal authority under Queen Mary I and King Philip. The Act of Supremacy 1558 renewed the breach and the Elizabethan Settlement charted a course enabling the English church to describe itself as both catholic and reformed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

 
 
 
katrix
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6.3  katrix  replied to  livefreeordie @6    6 years ago

So, I'm curious - you mentioned communion on this Sunday.  Does your church practice communion every Sunday, or once a month, or just on special occasions?  I'm curious because to my Mom (she was an Episcopal deacon for years and a chaplain), it's not church without communion.  That's the part that makes her feel closest to God, and her joy when she became a deacon and gave communion to her congregation (and her atheist daughter) was amazing (although having to finish up the consecrated wine afterwards since it couldn't be thrown out was a minor issue since she doesn't like the taste of alcohol, lol).  I've talked to her former priest back in CO and he's arranging for someone to bring her communion each Sunday as a shut-in, as she did back in her day for others.   Other Protestant faiths such as Presbyterians celebrate communion only once a month, and some consider it almost blasphemy and ritual cannibalism and Papist tripe.  Anyway, I'm just curious, I always find it interesting to learn how others worship and why.

Also, why don't you mention Easter - is it because of the pagan origins?  Or something else?

I think Mom would enjoy your way of celebrating .. song, worship, and communion.  Especially if it were held outside.  And I don't think she'd give a hoot if Easter wasn't mentioned; not because she takes offense with the pagan origins, but rather because to her it's just all about the resurrection, and is the holiest day of the year, and what it's called doesn't matter at all.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.3.1  cjcold  replied to  katrix @6.3    6 years ago

Dipping hard boiled eggs in dye was always my favorite part of easter.

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Participates
6.3.2  katrix  replied to  cjcold @6.3.1    6 years ago

I colored 3 dozen eggs this Easter.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.4  devangelical  replied to  livefreeordie @6    6 years ago

"He is risen" Sounds like a dog whistle for the teavangelical church elders to meet outside the Sunday school classroom.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7  devangelical    6 years ago

Knuckle dragging thumper bullshit splattered all over the front page again.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8  JBB    6 years ago

How The Grinch Stole Easter? Small c christian fundies surely are a bunch of whiny full time victims. While those who truly believe in Christ's resurrection will celebrate those with no real faith sit in the dark trolling all those who refuse to be as miserable as they are...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @8    6 years ago

Do you think HA is upset about my Easter/April Fool's fun article?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1    6 years ago

Pissed enough not to use any Jergens lotion until monday.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @8.1.1    6 years ago

Lots of angry conservatives on Good Friday.......

 
 
 
devangelical
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8.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.2    6 years ago

So what. Funny how they get all militant defending the Prince of peace. Hypocrites. F'em.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @8.1.3    6 years ago

I don't want to hurt the widdle snowflakes feelers.......

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @8.1.3    6 years ago

somebody thinks you're angry. Show 'em that you're not

Show them your funny side

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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8.1.7  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.5    6 years ago
God needs no defending.

it does seem that God needs a lot of advertisers and can't ever have enough of them

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.5    6 years ago

I thought we were talking about his kid. You know, the one born after the spiritual molestation of a 14 year old girl, who was a descendant of some incestuous family fuckfests 3982 years before.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Phoenyx13 @8.1.7    6 years ago

Most successful and longest running Ponzi scheme in history.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1    6 years ago

I never saw it.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
8.1.11  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.5    6 years ago
God needs no defending.

I disagree.  If there were a god it'd need defending from its most fanatical believers. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.1.12  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.5    6 years ago
God needs no defending.

No more than unicorns do.    But doesn't your "god" need his gullible followers to carry out his dirty work?   No one else will do that for him.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
8.1.13  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @8.1.9    6 years ago

You mean she wasn't a virgin??!?!?!?!?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.15    6 years ago

No, that’s about it.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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8.1.18  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.15    6 years ago

Tell me which part of my comment isn't true according to the thumper version of the bible.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
Sophomore Silent
8.1.20  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.14    6 years ago
Then you don't know what God is.

ummm... nobody knows who/what God is since we have no proof of existence nor non-existence, remember ? if you think you know who/what God is for 100% sure - then please share that with everyone since we'll finally have clear and distinct definition.

but we do know that God needs lots of people to advertise for him/her/it (spread the word, right ?) and can't seem to have enough since God is constantly trying to recruit more and more people

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
Sophomore Silent
8.1.22  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.21    6 years ago
Complete bs.

This comment was made earlier on this article:

Christians are called by Christ to spread the gospel. It's not intended that they be mean about it, but if you think Christians are supposed to be quiet and not broadcast their beliefs, you're wrong.

so you are telling me that Christ doesn't need advertisers but yet calls on all of the believers to "spread the word" (which is advertising... ever hear of "word of mouth" advertising ?) anyway ? sounds like the only one with "complete bs" is you if you believe that to "spread the word" isn't advertising. Plus, on top of all the needed advertising, Christ is constantly trying to recruit more people into believing, and thusly commanding them to advertise as well, correct ?

Also, since you stated my last statement was "complete bs." that must mean you have a clear and distinct definition of who/what God is and you will now share it with everyone to stop all the confusion on who/what God is, correct ?

if any of this is wrong - please feel free to correct the record.

 
 
 
katrix
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8.1.23  katrix  replied to  devangelical @8.1.8    6 years ago

Spiritual rape of a chile, and ritual cannibalism, and zombies .. what's not to like?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.15    6 years ago
'So childish.  
Should anyone ever expect anything more from you, or is this it?'

My thoughts to you exactly.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.26  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.25    6 years ago

Thanks for confronting their behavior here.  The God haters here have well proven the seed to be 100% true regarding them and their war on Easter.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.27  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.26    6 years ago

Now there's a war on Easter?

Did the Easter Bunny eat all your chocolates again?

 
 
 
epistte
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8.2  epistte  replied to  JBB @8    6 years ago
How The Grinch Stole Easter?

I like it. If my Photoshop or Maya skills were better I would create a graphic in honor of your literary brilliance.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
9  evilone    6 years ago
Easter-Deniers...

Fucking religious snowflakes... If you spent your time doing as Jesus commands you'd be too busy to write/seed articles about non-Christians.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  evilone @9    6 years ago

The term snowflakes is not to be used on NTers.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
9.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.2    6 years ago

The new CoC doesn't go into effect until April 6

 
 
 
Skrekk
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9.2.2  Skrekk  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.1    6 years ago

So there's a list of banned words?   That's rather pathetic.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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9.2.3  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.2    6 years ago

"The term snowflakes is not to be used on NTers.  "

Not until April 6th. Do try to keep up.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
9.2.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.2    6 years ago
The term snowflakes is not to be used on NTers.

Wow, that's going to really cut back the rightwing vocabulary--by at least half by my estimate.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
9.2.5  epistte  replied to  Skrekk @9.2.2    6 years ago
So there's a list of banned words?

Conservatives stance on censorship is as variable and hypocritical as their religious beliefs.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
9.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @9.2.4    6 years ago

Mine, too. I was really starting to like calling conservatives snowflakes

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
9.2.7  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.2    6 years ago

Snowflake, snowflake, snowflake snowflake!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew. glad I got that out of my system!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  Skrekk @9.2.2    6 years ago

No list of banned words; rules against derogatory references in general.   [  new CoC  ]

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @9.2.3    6 years ago

Impasse

 
 
 
epistte
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9.2.10  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.2.9    6 years ago
Impasse

Why are you so eager to claim an impasse instead of continuing the discussion? 

 
 
 
katrix
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9.2.11  katrix  replied to  epistte @9.2.10    6 years ago

When you're being trounced by logic and called out on your hatred and hypocrisy, what else is there to do?  I mean, other than study the actual history of Christianity so you'd have some actual knowledge?

 
 
 
epistte
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9.2.13  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.12    6 years ago
But Nazi references are acceptable?

If the truth fits.

 
 
 
epistte
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9.2.15  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.14    6 years ago
Snowflake accurately describes some people, too.

It was the alt-right who crawled out from under their Aryan rocks and began to publicly support Donald Trump that began calling people snowflakes during the 2016 elections but now they want that term banned because people are realizing that the conservatives are the ones who cannot handle being criticized. 

Why is it that supposed small government conservatives claim to be for freedom but apparently they only want freedom for themselves and of rights, freedoms, and words that they agree with. If you truly supported freedom and censorship you would support equal rights and freedoms for all people regardless if you agreed with the speech or the idea in question, but conservatives don't support equal rights for all people. 

 
 
 
Randy
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9.2.16  Randy  replied to  epistte @9.2.15    6 years ago
The Trump Campaign and election made the idea of the far alt-right, the Aryans, the Neo-Nazis, and the Klan, all gathered together under a safer sounding name of White Nationalists or just Nationalists seem normal. That is the biggest crime Trump has committed on the American people. Normalization. Not only has he normalized the idea of an American Administration being in constant and suspicious contact with the Russian government when under any other time he and many of his cadre would be out of office and in prison. He has also normalized the idea of White Racism by saying things like there is an equalization between people protesting Nazism and the Nazis themselves and getting away with it! Any other President would have been pilloried by now, but Trump has made this outrage seem normal, He has made it OK to subtly hate anyone who is not White.
Yet now as you say, the small government conservatives have shown themselves to be complete frauds by giving massive tax breaks to the rich and driving up the deficit for many generations to come. Yes their small government side will come out when they demand that we pay for their drunken excess that they spent paying off the investment their contributors paid in bribes to them over the past several years, by going after so called “entailment” programs such as Social Security and Medicare (Paul Ryan is actually salivating), which are not entitlement programs at all because, I don't know about anyone else, but there has been a FICA deduction from every paycheck I have earned since I was 13 years old. I paid for my Social Security and every month they take a premium payment out of my Social Security for my Medicare. That's right. Be ready for that surprise if you're getting ready to retire and if you didn't know. Medicare is not free. You have to pay (I believe my wife and I pay $118 a month each for it right now) for it just like any other medical insurance.
So what has Trump brought us? Massive benefits for the country and club rich like him, fucking the middle class and poor for years to come, attacks on the social safety net, and bending down to kiss Putin's ass. Great bargain huh?
Guess what? If you are not very rich and you voted for Trump, you got fucked and are going to continue to get fucked as long as he is in office.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.2.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @9.2.3    6 years ago

Impasse

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.2.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @9.2.10    6 years ago

Everyone else is free to continue the discussion.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.2.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.12    6 years ago

They are simply referencing something that are a part of and know well.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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9.2.22  Skrekk  replied to  epistte @9.2.15    6 years ago
It was the alt-right who crawled out from under their Aryan rocks and began to publicly support Donald Trump that began calling people snowflakes during the 2016 elections but now they want that term banned because people are realizing that the conservatives are the ones who cannot handle being criticized.

Aren't snowflakes fragile and extra white?    It sounds like a case of projection on the part of conservatives.

 
 
 
epistte
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9.2.23  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.18    6 years ago
Or is this yet another instance where you make claims against me without a shred of proof?

Which personality am I talking with today? 2 weeks ago you claimed that you were not Christian, you were spiritual and not religious and you didn't use the Bible.

You oppose LGBT equality because you support the business owners right to refuse service based on their religious views, or did that stance also change? Given that stance we can guess what your views are on women's and minority rights or did you embrace full equality for all people and not the Fox News version of it?

 
 
 
epistte
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9.2.26  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.24    6 years ago
Maybe, just for a change of pace, and in the interest of truthfulness and honesty, produce ONE post where I stated any such nonsense against equal rights.

This software platform doesn't permit me to search all of your posts, so unless I am going to catalog every post I cannot post word for word statements of yours. I do know your personality and you have a habit of being intellectually dishonest and becoming outraged when you are called on it.

I miss vBulletin software that permits a person to easily search 2-3 years of previous posts.  I was temporarily banned on a previous forum because I had a penchant for exposing people, even once the moderator, on their hypocritical statements of the past when it was intellectually inconvenient.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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9.2.27  Raven Wing   replied to  epistte @9.2.10    6 years ago

Because he doesn't like what I have to say when I call him on his obvious BS and he has no viable comeback. So this is his way of shutting me out. Or so he thinks anyway. 

 
 
 
epistte
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9.2.30  epistte  replied to    6 years ago
Actually it does.

You have my complete attention. How do I do that?

 
 
 
epistte
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9.2.32  epistte  replied to    6 years ago
Click the person's name, that will bring up the person's latest comment history. At the top, it will say " View all" click on that. At the bottom of the next list of comments, it will have an arrow keep clicking on the arrow until you find comment you're looking for.

Thank you very much. I hope that Perrie and others don't ban me for resurrecting previous statements to prove that someone is a hypocrite. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.2.33  Tessylo  replied to  epistte @9.2.23    6 years ago
'Which personality am I talking with today? 2 weeks ago you claimed that you were not Christian, you were spiritual and not religious and you didn't use the Bible.'

You may be confusing Texan with Texan1211 unless they're the same guy with two different handles both with Texan at the beginning.  

 
 
 
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9.2.34    replied to  epistte @9.2.32    6 years ago
Thank you very much. I hope that Perrie and others don't ban me for resurrecting previous statements to prove that someone is a hypocrite.

If you can do it. You're one of Perrie's pets she would never ban you or delete any of your comments no matter how big of a CoC they are. Same goes for SP.

I quoted you to prove you're a hypocrite but SP deleted it saying it was a CoC violation even though I used your very words to prove it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.2.35  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  epistte @9.2.26    6 years ago
This software platform doesn't permit me to search all of your posts, so unless I am going to catalog every post I cannot post word for word statements of yours. I do know your personality and you have a habit of being intellectually dishonest and becoming outraged when you are called on it.

This is something that we are working on, but you can see comment history by going to a person's homepage and clicking on their name. The timeline is a complete comment history. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.2.37  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  @9.2.34    6 years ago

I normally don't engage with these kinds of comments, but I will, since there seems to be a problem with understanding the CoC and what is deemed as favoritism. 

epistte has gotten written up, but she has a good comprehension of what is and is not allowed on the site. If you feel that this is favoritism, than you don't understand the CoC. 

Her quote:

Thank you very much. I hope that Perrie and others don't ban me for resurrecting previous statements to prove that someone is a hypocrite.

Seems directed to no particular member. Am I wrong? I read up and down the tread and I can't seem to find who she would be directing this to. 

As to who removed your last comment, it was me. You made a direct personal comment to epistte, which is a violation, even before the updated version of the CoC. 

My advice would be that instead of thinking that there is something biased about moderation, is to actually learn the CoC. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.2.38  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.36    6 years ago

I do not understand what is going on here Texan. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.2.40  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.39    6 years ago

OK, at least now I get what is going on. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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9.2.42  Raven Wing   replied to    6 years ago
The monitor's pets always get a pass from a hard left monitor.

So now you are stepping in to pile on and accusing Perrie of being a "hard left monitor" and showing favoritism? You really need to get your facts straight before you accuse someone of being from a political party that they aren't, and playing favorites. 

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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11  magnoliaave    6 years ago

Up from the grave He arose!  Hallelujah! 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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11.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  magnoliaave @11    6 years ago

Amen!  That is the point of it all.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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11.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  magnoliaave @11    6 years ago
Hallelujah!

Jah or Yah ( Hebrew : יהּ Yah ) is a short form of Yahweh

Hallelujah literally means "Praise Jah" or "Praise Yahweh".

I often find it interesting that the God of the Hebrews, who was so jealous and violent throughout the Old testament, even sending wild bears to devour children that had teased a prophet about being bald, is considered by many to also be Jesus, the turn the other cheek non-violent minister from the New testament. They say God is perfect and unchangeable, but you could not get two more disparate personalities than Yahweh and Jesus.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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11.3  Skrekk  replied to  magnoliaave @11    6 years ago
Up from the grave He arose!

Mmmmm.......brains!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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11.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  magnoliaave @11    6 years ago
Up from the grave He arose!

A bit of premature re-incarnation there. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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11.5  Gordy327  replied to  magnoliaave @11    6 years ago
Up from the grave He arose!

Sounds like the plot to a zombie movie.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
13  TᵢG    6 years ago
Expect the anti-Christian left to go all giddily gleeful over the April Fool’s Day date of Easter this Sunday. 

Why do you seed stuff like this if not to encourage religious debate?    

But as outlandish as the Easter story may seem -- God coming down to earth in a man-suit as Jesus Christ to reconcile us fallen humans with Him -- that panspermia theory certainly beats Christianity for sheer wild-eyed fiction. Bigtime.

Panspermia is not a religion, it is an hypothesis.   The difference between a religion and an hypothesis is profound.   Further, Panspermia is highly probable based on actual evidence.   The author apparently has done no research on this hypothesis.

The claim of fact that God sent an hypostasis (read:  Himself) to Earth to be tortured and murdered by His own creations so that He -by sacrificing Himself- could then forgive them and grant them everlasting life is not only extraordinary , but it does not even make logical sense.   To spell it out:  God (as defined by the Bible) is omnipotent and could thus forgive without engaging in a self-sacrificial prelude.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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13.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @13    6 years ago
encourage religious debate?

That's just it, TiG, he doesn't want to encourage religious debate. This seed is aimed at those of us who won't be going to church on Easter and will be having fun instead. This seed is designed to stir up animosity and get people slap fighting.

I think Jesus would be horrified at the attempt to start fights on the day Jesus himself was tortured and executed.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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13.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  TᵢG @13    6 years ago
The author apparently has done no research on this hypothesis.

On behalf of a grateful NT Nation,  the Academy of Rationality is proud to present you with it's highest accolade:  The Medal of Understatement:

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13.2.1    replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @13.2    6 years ago

Deleted CoC violation {SP}

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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14  Hal A. Lujah    6 years ago

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Skrekk
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14.1  Skrekk  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @14    6 years ago

This explains a lot.....Zombie Jesus must have eaten the brains of all the Christians.

 
 
 
katrix
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15  katrix    6 years ago
Just don’t ask where the hot mess originally came from. Their version of reason is to believe by faith that a whole lot of something can come from absolutely nothing.

Where exactly did your god come from?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  katrix @15    6 years ago

He always was, is, and always will be.  

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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15.1.1  Phoenyx13  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1    6 years ago
He always was, is, and always will be.

everything has origin, your God included, correct ?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
15.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1    6 years ago
He always was, is, and always will be.

That is pure conjecture and, more importantly, makes no sense (is illogical).

If the most complex possible entity (God) does not require a creator, then why do less complex things (e.g. the known universe) require a creator?   (Answer:  logically we have a contradiction.)  Note, there are no facts to be presented because nobody could possibly know the origin of God.   All we have to work with is logic and the logic presented is a contradiction.    (That means it is flawed.)

 
 
 
epistte
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15.1.3  epistte  replied to  TᵢG @15.1.2    6 years ago
If the most complex possible entity (God) does not require a creator, then why do less complex things (e.g. the known universe) require a creator?

I'd attempt to write that claim out as a formal logical structure but your version is easier to understand for 90% of the population.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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15.1.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  TᵢG @15.1.2    6 years ago
(That means it is flawed.)

By being unfalsifiable.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
15.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @15.1.4    6 years ago

... and contradictory

{complexity requires a creator}  AND  [ NOT {complexity requires a creator} ]


Resolution:  

{complexity requires a creator}  -- an unfalsifiable, unevidenced claim

Toss it out and we are left with what we actually know about a first-cause creator:   nothing.

 
 
 
katrix
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15.1.6  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1    6 years ago

So, if you can believe that your god always was, always is, and always will be - yet you claim that matter cannot have always existed - do you not even see the hypocrisy in your statement?

You said everything had to have a creator, so that would include your god.  If you can sit there and claim your god came from nothing, while claiming that everything has to come from something, you're just making yourself look ridiculous.  

If your god could have always existed, so could matter.  Try a decent argument next time.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
15.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  katrix @15.1.6    6 years ago
If your god could have always existed, so could matter.

... or below that ... to energy.   Or below that ... to the quintessential substance of existence (whatever that might be).   

It is easy to come to the conclusion that existence itself IS (existence ' exists ') and that existence is necessarily eternal.   If one can then reason that everything that exists is OF existence one has an abstract but evidence-based hypothesis for how things come to be.

 
 
 
katrix
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15.1.8  katrix  replied to  TᵢG @15.1.7    6 years ago

For me, it's a little hard to wrap my mind around existence having always existed.  Which is why I find it so laughable that those who deny that possibility are so certain to say that their god always existed.  If one thing can have always existed, as they claim their god has done, then it should be an easy transition to accept that matter has always existed.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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15.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  katrix @15.1.8    6 years ago

Here is one way to look at it.   Something cannot come from nothing.   By definition of the literal nothing.   It then immediately follows that existence did not come from nothing.  This means existence necessarily is eternal.   There is no other option.

To wit, the quintessential substance of existence (whatever that is) has always been.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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15.1.10  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1    6 years ago
He always was, is, and always will be.

That's nice. Prove it!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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16  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    6 years ago

HA continues his self-pity jihad.  He wants to label his critics as "anti-Christian" when the truth is they're anti-hypocrite.  Christianity isn't the target of the ridicule.  Christianity if practiced as taught by its founder is admirable.  Trouble is HA and the like who predominate on discussion boards like this,  don't even come close.  If I believed in god, I'd say it weeps every time of HA'S type claims to be a believer.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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16.1  Raven Wing   replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @16    6 years ago
He wants to label his critics as "anti-Christian" when the truth is they're anti-hypocrite.

Spot on. IF he was truly the devout, pious Christian he and others here profess to be, they would be out doing the work of their faith, not here attacking those of other beliefs and denigrating those who do not agree in lock step with them. But, it is easier to talk the talk than it is to walk the walk. 

If I also remember another part of the Bible, it says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged". However, following that part of the book they profess to adhere to seems to be more of the saying, "Do as I say, not as I do" sort of thing. Then they wonder why others do not capitulate to their beliefs.

They seem to conveniently ignore that other thing that their Bible taught about tolerance and acceptance of others. And that Christianity is not the only way to believe in the Creator, as the rest of the world well knows.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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16.2  magnoliaave  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @16    6 years ago

I find it amazing that non believers know exactly how a Christian should act, walk, and talk.  I wonder how they know this.  Was it introduced to them at home at an early age?  That's how they claim Christians are indoctrinated.  And, then, there are those who say......yes, you are right and they should, also, act like this.  Perplexing!

 
 
 
epistte
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16.2.1  epistte  replied to  magnoliaave @16.2    6 years ago
I find it amazing that non believers know exactly how a Christian should act, walk, and talk.  I wonder how they know this.  And, then, there are those who say......yes, you are right and they should, also, act like this.

Most non-believers in the US were raised in a Christian home or had it introduced to them by friends or at school.  I may be an avowed secular humanist but I was raised in a very conservative Catholic home and I studied theology as part of my college minor.  It is a fact that most atheists are better educated in religion than the believers. Being an atheist is the process of studying religion and then coming to the conclusion that it is a very ancient and illogical myth. People just don't wake up from a bad hangover at a Baptist wedding and claim to be an atheist. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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16.2.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  magnoliaave @16.2    6 years ago
I find it amazing that non believers know exactly how a Christian should act, walk, and talk.

We can (and have) read the Gospels.  Haven't you?

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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16.2.3  magnoliaave  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @16.2.2    6 years ago

Have you put anything you read into practice?

 
 
 
epistte
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16.2.4  epistte  replied to  magnoliaave @16.2.3    6 years ago
Have you put anything you read into practice?

I do not need to believe in a god or a savior to live a moral life.  Religious belief is more about the government keeping control of the people than it is about teaching them to live a moral life. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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16.2.5  Raven Wing   replied to  epistte @16.2.4    6 years ago

Organized religion has always been about controlling the people more than saving their souls. Inflicting fear in them of everlasting damnation as a tool to control them is a large part of their agenda. 

The Creator I believe in is kind, loving and forgiving toward His children, and does not need to resort to fear mongering. He understands that mere mortals are fallible, as they are not created nor intended to be perfect. It is what is in our own hearts that matters most to Him, and how we live our lives here on earth and treat our Brothers and Sisters of all walks of live with tolerance and understanding that matters to Him. 

There are many ways to prove our worth as a human being than simply belonging to some organized religious belief. Nor does simply belonging to some organized religious belief alone does not prove our worth as a human being.

Just my own belief and opinion.

 
 
 
epistte
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16.2.7  epistte  replied to    6 years ago
20 percent of non-believers were raised in Christian homes,

Your statement isn't close to being true,

Religious “nones”: Americans are most likely to identify in adulthood as religiously unaffiliated if they were raised exclusively by a parent or parents who were unaffiliated themselves. Indeed, among adults who say they were raised either by a single parent who had no religion or by two people who were both religious “nones,” a solid majority (62%) identify as “nones” today.

But there also are many “nones” who come from religiously mixed backgrounds. Nearly four-in-ten of those who say they had one parent who identified with a religion and another parent who was religiously unaffiliated describe themselves as “nones” today (38%). And one-quarter of those raised by a Protestant and a Catholic are now religiously unaffiliated (26%). One-in-five people who were raised exclusively by Catholics are religious “nones” today, as are 14% of those who say they were raised solely by Protestants.

Pew forum.

 
 
 
epistte
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16.2.9  epistte  replied to    6 years ago
Yes, 1 in 5 people raised in a community of faith now identify as non-religious—the primary talking point was a well-publicized report. But what most of the flurry of media coverage missed is an even more pronounced trend in the opposite direction: nearly half of everyone raised with no religion is now part of a faith tradition.

You are ignoring the obvious that majority of the current atheists were raised with some religious belief at home, by one or more parents. I am not surprised that some people who were raised without religion have now joined a religion.  Nobody would expect otherwise.

 
 
 
katrix
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16.2.11  katrix  replied to  magnoliaave @16.2.3    6 years ago
Have you put anything you read into practice?

Well, I don't ask my neighbors to murder my son if he's disobedient, and if I had a daughter who was raped, I'd never sell her to her rapist, as commanded by the bible.  I definitely don't want to put everything I read in the bible into practice.

But yep, if Jesus existed, he wanted us to be good to our fellow humans, and he absolutely spoke out against false prophets who claimed they knew what God thinks and wants, and who use their religion to promote hatred and to think they're better than everyone else.  So I'd say I'm probably more "Christian" than most fundies.  I'm certainly more moral, since I am able to behave decently without threats of eternal punishment or promises of eternal rewards - unlike the fundies who claim that without belief in their god, people can't be moral.  I think it's a shame they can't behave decently without a crutch, but hey, that's their problem.  According to the bible, Jesus won't know them after they die.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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16.2.12  TᵢG  replied to  katrix @16.2.11    6 years ago
Well, I don't ask my neighbors to murder my son if he's disobedient, and if I had a daughter who was raped, I'd never sell her to her rapist, as commanded by the bible.

Okay, but did you release your slaves?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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16.2.14  Skrekk  replied to  TᵢG @16.2.12    6 years ago
Okay, but did you release your slaves?

My buddy Jesus didn't require that, he merely said that you shouldn't beat your slaves so hard that they die the same day.   It's OK if they die the next day.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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16.2.15  TᵢG  replied to  Skrekk @16.2.14    6 years ago
My buddy Jesus didn't require that, he merely said that you shouldn't beat your slaves so hard that they die the same day.   It's OK if they die the next day.

Now Skrekk, be fair.   winking

That was Yahweh (the Father hypostasis) who made that rule, not Jesus.   And Yahweh said that it is okay to beat your slaves to death as long as they do not die within a couple of days.    

Oddly, Jesus did not weigh in on slavery.   He chose to not include guidance on one of the most immoral acts of humanity in his moral teachings.   We can only presume that Jesus thought the 2 day grace period well reflected objective morality.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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16.2.16  Skrekk  replied to  TᵢG @16.2.15    6 years ago
Oddly, Jesus did not weigh in on slavery.

Indirectly he did by telling a number of parables about slaves......but then never saying anything like "slavery is a bad thing, so don't beat slaves or own slaves."

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.2.17  TᵢG  replied to  Skrekk @16.2.16    6 years ago
Indirectly he did by telling a number of parables about slaves......but then never saying anything like "slavery is a bad thing, so don't beat slaves or own slaves."

Is that not worse?   He acknowledges slavery (the subject is on the table) yet does not go to the next step and provide objective moral guidance by denouncing it.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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16.2.18  Skrekk  replied to  TᵢG @16.2.17    6 years ago

Exactly right.

 
 
 
Randy
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16.2.19  Randy  replied to  epistte @16.2.9    6 years ago
You are ignoring the obvious that majority of the current atheists were raised with some religious belief at home, by one or more parents. I am not surprised that some people who were raised without religion have now joined a religion.

I was raised as more of a "tribal" Catholic then anything else. In my family you were considered to have been born a Catholic, like people who were Jewish were considered to have been born Jewish. It wasn't so much how much you went to Mass or learned your Catechism, being a Catholic was just something you were. My grandparents were much more of the practicing Catholics then my divorced parents, though both of my parents became very devout in their later years, so when people asked me what religion I was, such as when I joined the Air Force to have it imprinted on my dog tags, it was to me much more a question of asking what race I was, so I said Roman Catholic.

The odd thing is that when I was in my late teens I seriously considered the Priesthood and honestly felt I had the calling. I had read the Catholic Bible from cover to cover and was being guided by a parish Priest and even had visited a seminary near Niagara Falls. Yet I just could not reconcile what I had read and was expected to teach others with the real world that I knew. It just did not fit. I looked strongly at the Jesuits who seemed much more of an intellectual order and much more free thinking, but even there there were restrictions that I didn't think I could handle. Also there was the whole being a member of the community that many people would look up you as a Parish Priest. Calling or not I just didn't feel that I was worthy of that status. At that point in my life Priests practically walked on water and I could not see myself in charge of a Parish being looked up to as a leader with the responsibility of people thinking I was holding their souls in my hands. I guess I chickened out. Surprisingly enough, even though I am now an atheist, I think I would have made a very good Jesuit Priest for the time I was still a believer.

Though I am absolutely certain I would have become an atheist as I am now no matter what.

 
 
 
katrix
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16.2.20  katrix  replied to  TᵢG @16.2.12    6 years ago
Okay, but did you release your slaves?

I have cats.  I'm the slave.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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16.2.21  Raven Wing   replied to  katrix @16.2.20    6 years ago

"I'm the slave"

laughing dude   Same here. And I know it. But, it does no good to try and fight it. chuckle

 
 
 
Skrekk
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16.2.22  Skrekk  replied to  katrix @16.2.20    6 years ago
I have cats.  I'm the slave.

I've just been freed....I think a coyote or a great horned owl ate the cat.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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16.2.23  Raven Wing   replied to  Skrekk @16.2.22    6 years ago
I think a coyote or a great horned owl ate the cat.

crying

 
 
 
Gordy327
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16.2.24  Gordy327  replied to  magnoliaave @16.2    6 years ago
I find it amazing that non believers know exactly how a Christian should act, walk, and talk. I wonder how they know this.

Simple common sense. Besides, many Christians also like to talk about how they should act, walk, talk, ect..

Was it introduced to them at home at an early age? That's how they claim Christians are indoctrinated.

Many atheists started out as theists.

 
 
 
epistte
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16.2.25  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @16.2.24    6 years ago
Many atheists started out as theists.

A person cannot make an intelligent and defensible statement that there is no god if you haven't put some research into the subject. Saying that God doesn't exist without knowledge of the subject is just as emotional as saying that God does exist because of a religious belief. 

The more you learn about religion the more obvious that it is a myth.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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16.2.26  Tacos!  replied to  Raven Wing @16.2.5    6 years ago
Organized religion has always been about controlling the people more than saving their souls. Inflicting fear in them of everlasting damnation as a tool to control them is a large part of their agenda.

With the exception of John (who was merely tortured and exiled) the apostles of Jesus lived in poverty and were murdered for sharing their beliefs. They sure didn't do much in the way of controlling anyone - nor did they have any hope of doing so.

 
 
 
epistte
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16.2.27  epistte  replied to  Tacos! @16.2.26    6 years ago
With the exception of John (who was merely tortured and exiled) the apostles of Jesus lived in poverty and were murdered for sharing their beliefs. They sure didn't do much in the way of controlling anyone - nor did they have any hope of doing so.

Why are you ignoring the fact that Raven said organized religion?  The original 12 disciples were not yet an organized religion.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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16.2.28  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @16.2.25    6 years ago
A person cannot make an intelligent and defensible statement that there is no god if you haven't put some research into the subject. Saying that God doesn't exist without knowledge of the subject is just as emotional as saying that God does exist because of a religious belief.

Indeed. And as TiG has often pointed out, making claims of absolute certainty either way is logically indefensible.

 
 
 
cjcold
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16.3  cjcold  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @16    6 years ago
Christianity if practiced as taught by its founder is admirable

The problem being that there is no evidence of his life or death other than the first council of Nicea hundreds of years later.

 
 
 
epistte
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16.3.2  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @16.3.1    6 years ago
Sounds like it is a problem for you.

Did you just admit that Christianity is a pure myth with nothing factual to support it?

 
 
 
epistte
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16.3.4  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @16.3.3    6 years ago
Please post where you read anywhere that I posted such nonsense---if you CAN, of course!

Follow the logical conclusion of your reply to CJcold's previous statement. You might know it better as reading between the lines.

 
 
 
epistte
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16.3.6  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @16.3.5    6 years ago
Please stop responding to me--this is my last post to you removed for context SP

Claiming that I am not honest is a personal attack.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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16.3.7  Tacos!  replied to  cjcold @16.3    6 years ago

Oh come on. That is just not true and you know it. Or at least I hope you know it.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Guide
16.3.8  Gordy327  replied to  Tacos! @16.3.7    6 years ago
Oh come on. That is just not true and you know it. Or at least I hope you know it.

What specifically is not true about his statement?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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16.3.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tacos! @16.3.7    6 years ago

It’s not true as we and he knows it.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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16.3.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.3.9    6 years ago

According to your faith. But not necessarily historically accurate. There doesn't seem to be any first hand accounts of Jesus

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
16.3.11  cjcold  replied to  Tacos! @16.3.7    6 years ago

So you don't know about the divination?

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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18  mocowgirl    6 years ago
The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible by Joseph M. Holden and Norman Geisler is a fascinating trove of these discoveries.

And it should be located on the same shelf other myths that are also tied to people and places that really existed.

It is called   Greek Myths for Young Children   by Heather Amery with illustrations by Linda Edwards.

Growing up in New York, I still remember how fun it was to learn about Greek mythology. Who doesn’t love a good story?!

No matter what language you love your mythology,  the  Alternative Athens  tour combined those famous tales with the actual places  associated with them.

I attended the   Mythological Athens   tour with fellow   Travel Bloggers Greece   members. Ioanna, our guide, met us at the   Temple of Olympian Zeus   which is located right in the heart of the capital.

Impressive columns from the temple remain. It was obviously quite grand in its heyday.  The site dates back to the 6 th   century B.C and was completed later by a Roman emperor named Hadrian by the 2 nd   century A.D.   There, Ioanna told us the stories associated with the mythological “beginning” of Athens.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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19  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

I’d like to thank all the believers for their participation on the seed and to point out to those who don’t how they proved the seed and the headline correct.  Anyway we’re at over 500 posts and I have other seeds to moderate so this one is now locked.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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20  Perrie Halpern R.A.    6 years ago

I am relocking this article. It is no longer relevant and no longer attended to. 

 
 

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