Pretty funny, eh? 

The list is too short. I have to go back to google. 

I have to go back to google.

And this time try to find some links have some integrity.  CNN, MSNBC really?

CNN, MSNBC really?

I'm sure you would prefer some dumb ass conspiracy website as a source, but I prefer integrity. 

but I prefer integrity. 

What does MSNBC and CNN have to do with that. Neither one has even a passing relationship with integrity. 

but I prefer integrity.

No you don't.  If you did, you wouldn't use MSNBC or CNN.  I have an easier time believing Jeffrey Dahmer was a vegan than I do anything CNN and MSNBC has spewed forth.

Then you should have no problem listing all the fake stories that these sites promote? I'll even go easy on you, list 20 stories that are fake...Ready? Go...

*crickets*

I have an easier time believing Jeffrey Dahmer was a vegan than I do anything CNN and MSNBC has spewed forth.

That says nothing about CNN or MSNBC... but it says a great deal about you.

You're correct.  It shows I don't lap up the crap from liberal story tellers.

Trump is so horrifyingly inept and corrupt on a daily basis, it's impossible for the human mind to process it properly.

It seems like a crude question but it is actually very sincere.  I could easily find material to make this list ten times longer than I did. 

Objectively, Donald Trump IS the most fucked up president ever.  No doubt about it. 

What we do have going on right now is a massive bamboozling campaign designed to obscure how fucked up he really is. 

bullshit

I think you are working yourself up into a frenzy over Trump.

Yes Trump is far below what most of us would have ever imagined holding the office of PotUS.   But we are stuck with him until at least 2020 (barring a very unlikely early departure).

Sometimes it is best to work on things one can control (or at least influence) and set aside factors that are entirely out of one's ability to even make a difference.

But there is a bright side to this.   I have argued that the holders of the office have been (in general terms) degrading for decades.    Our expectations keep getting lower and lower.   So the one good thing I can offer is that we have a great chance that the next PotUS will be an improvement.   Maybe the beginning of a new mega-trend?   

I think you work yourself into a frenzy about religion. 

I'm sure people who love to constantly intellectualize about all the ways to mock people who believe in God have better things to do than worry about the fact that we have an asshole leading our country. The ironic perspective informs many of our smartest people, but is pretty useless in dealing with Trumpism , other than to ignore it. 

I think you work yourself into a frenzy about religion.

Except that is not an emotional subject for me.  But besides that, what does religion have to do with your article?    

I'm sure people who love to constantly intellectualize about all the ways to mock people who believe in God ...

Mock people?   What is this John, trying to pick a fight by making false allegations?    And this is derail two of your own article.

...  have better things to do than worry about the fact that we have an asshole leading our country.

That does not even make sense.

The ironic perspective informs many of our smartest people, but is pretty useless in dealing with Trumpism , other than to ignore it. 

Well whatever you mean by that, I think getting all emotional about Trump is not going to turn out well for anyone.   The more one puts forth emotive silliness like questioning whether Trump cheats at golf ( ) the better for Trump.   Silly, emotive allegations or even an endless stream of legit allegations accompanied by over-the-top rhetoric is counterproductive.   Thoughtful, calm, fact-based analysis of critical failures on the job might be productive.   

The more one puts forth emotive silliness like questioning whether Trump cheats at golf () the better for Trump.   Silly, emotive allegations or even an endless stream of legit allegations accompanied by over-the-top rhetoric is counterproductive.

Numerous people who have played golf with Trump say he cheats. If you want to imagine that there is no application of that fact to his performance in the presidency, knock yourself out.  Do you think there is no need to have a person of good character leading the country, or is it just that the subject bores you personally? 

If he was otherwise a decent human being , the fact that he cheats at golf would be a minimal outlier.  Since he is a horrible human being, the fact is one of the rungs on the ladder. 

other than to ignore it.

I have to wonder why you simply don't ignore it?

Why would I do that?  Trump isnt remotely qualified to be president of the United States. 

There is qualified and then there is QUALIFIED. Anyone with a brain understands that. 

Are you qualified to be president of the United States Norman? I assume you are a natural bornUS citizen over 35. 

Feel free to stop mindlessly babbling any time now. 

Yup, he's qualified.

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a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States.... shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

He and 200 million others in America are "eligible" to run for President.

.

Divine was as qualified to run as Trump but the reality is she would not have made a very good President, just better than Trump has proven to be.

She's better looking anyway

Numerous people who have played golf with Trump say he cheats.

John, Trump probably does cheat at golf.   Given what I have observed of how he operates, that is quite easy to believe.

My point, however, is that dwelling on absolutely irrelevant nonsense causes people who are not so emotionally tied to 'Trump is the worst PotUS ever' will ultimately dismiss / downplay these reports as emotional, hate-driven opposition.   

My advice (from my opening comment) would be for the Trump opposition to focus on serious, fact-based, unemotional analysis of Trump's actions and decisions.   Critical analysis of things that matter.   Making a big deal about cheating at golf actually helps Trump.   Incessant 'Trump did this ... and that' stories actually helps Trump.

He barely qualifies as a human being.

Nope...there is only qualified. I have pointed it out to you many times and Norman did the same. Everything else is your opinion, and not a very good one.

Oh come on. There is "meeting the minimum requirements" and "qualified."

To be a carpenter, the minimum requirements are you have some tools and say you're a carpenter. Would you want that person to build your house?

LOL

I'm pretty sure that it was accepted that the President was to have more qualifications then being old, alive, and had lived in the U.S. for 14 years.

If you want require the President to have more qualifications other than what is plainly laid out by the Constitution, then have your lawmakers get with other lawmakers and have the Constitution changed. Until then, anyone that is 35 years old and a natural born citizen is QUALIFIED to be President.

Divine was as qualified to run as Trump but the reality is she would not have made a very good President, just better than Trump has proven to be.

She was a he and played a character who was named the filthiest person alive. I think someone like this would be perfect as the new face of the Democratic Party. 

Very "letter of the Law" of you, do you support all laws to the letter or just the ones you like?

 No wonder this country is like a freight train headed for a cliff. Almost any other job you can name requires so many qualifications, like Drs, nurses, real lawyers, teachers and everyone else with a profession, but the biggest job just requires you to be a certain age and lived in the U.S. for a few years.

Meh...so what? Get it changed.

In the 18th century, doctors, lawyers, etc required a certain amount of education, as they do today, and the founders knew it. Many were those professions. If the founding fathers thought that our President needed more qualifications, they would have laid them out. Maybe they understood we do not need a bunch of bloviated lawyers leading this country, and that the common man could do a better job. They were right.

the common man could do a better job

The Tea Party in a nutshell.

The Tea Party in a nutshell.

And at the head of the table is the totally insane Mad Hatter with his bag of lies and false promises to dangle in front of his believers, and all his subjects bow down to him and praise him in awe while the Mad Hatter plays hide and seek with the mouse.

Great image, RW!

Really, really scary....

Thanks. And the fun part is to figure out who the mouse is. 

The Tea Party in a nutshell.

Well, if the Tea Party is representative of the common man, they sure as hell are doing far better than liberals. How many of those over 1000 seats democrats/liberals lost over the 8 years of Obama have they gotten back? I think the answer is closer to zero than you realize.

It's obvious you don't have a coherent argument against my posts and go to what you think are insults. You failed.......yet again.

if the Tea Party is representative of the common man

Presumably "common" in that context is a slur meaning "well below average", vulgar, uncouth, coarse, rough, boorish, unladylike, ungentlemanly, ill-bred, uncivilized, unrefined or unsophisticated.

I think we are not getting worked up into nearly enough of a 'frenzy' over Trump.  How DARE you normalize him the way you are trying to?  A nonchalant 'presidents have been getting worse and worse' is all you have to say about Trump??  So, Obama was worse than Dubya?  Donald Fucking Trump is NOT the same old same old, not even close.  Trump is an absolutely horrifying president the likes of which we have NEVER seen before and we SHOULD be reacting to him accordingly.

Yes!

I'm more worried about the country than I am worried about what people think of me. I think you and Bob are like that too. Some people believe they are above that concern and they are more suited to discuss deep philosophical questions all the time. Whatever. 

Nah, it's just a handful of aging far left incoherent socialist loons who are so traumatized by Trump populist appeal. Their wildly exaggerated claims about how bad he is are not taken seriously by most patriotic and fair minded citizens.

Trump is an absolutely horrifying president the likes of which we have NEVER seen before and we SHOULD be reacting to him accordingly.

We should be focusing on his supporters.  They are at fault here.  Trump is only as strong as his base.  

It's depressing to see some on this site that I once considered above average on intelligence but no more.  I cannot respect anyone who voted or supports this President or his Administration.  Anyone who can sell their soul for (fill in the policy/law) is not someone who has the character of a moral and good person.  

Interesting how you didn't even try to push back on PJ's contention that Trump supporters have low moral character, but answered it with 'Nya, nya, we won'  instead.

How DARE you normalize him the way you are trying to?

How did I normalize Trump?    Read my post.  Here is what I wrote past the opening sentence:

Yes Trump is far below what most of us would have ever imagined holding the office of PotUS .   But we are stuck with him until at least 2020 (barring a very unlikely early departure).

Sometimes it is best to work on things one can control (or at least influence) and set aside factors that are entirely out of one's ability to even make a difference .

But there is a bright side to this.   I have argued that the holders of the office have been (in general terms) degrading for decades.    Our expectations keep getting lower and lower.   So the one good thing I can offer is that we have a great chance that the next PotUS will be an improvement .   Maybe the beginning of a new mega-trend?   

So your complaint is that I did not call Trump names or use extreme language?

Trump is an absolutely horrifying president the likes of which we have NEVER seen before and we SHOULD be reacting to him accordingly.

Oh, I get it.   You think that getting emotional about this is a good thing.   I disagree.   It is the exact opposite of what will be effective.

So, Obama was worse than Dubya?

Hell yes, Obama was worse than Dubya. Obama was Bush on steroids. 

Want wars started? Obama not only continued the one in Aghanistan; but he re-entered Iraq; and then started two of his own in Syria and Libya.

Obama topped Bush in countries destabilized with Libya, Syria, Yemen, and the Ukraine- Bush just had Iraq (Afghanistan was never stable, period).

Ignoring Congress- Obama made EO's that ignored laws on the books like no one else.  Immigration, the environment, health care, king Obama knew all and dictated all.  Has a "cell phone and pen" was more than just a motto with Obama.

Scandals?  Dubya had Iraq, and can share blame for 9/11 with Clinton. Obama had Fast and Furious; the IRIS scandal; Libya (the whole damn thing considering he never requested approval from Congress); the Ukraine coup; the Syrian Red Line; sending US money to Iran to seal his "nuclear deal" with them; and who can forget spying on everyone in the world, including US citizens w/o warrants, with data mining.  He can also take his fair share of the blame for the Hillary Clinton email scandal; and having the most corrupt DOJ ever.

That is the crux of it, isn't it Tig, should we react to Trump emotionally or is a totally dispassionate response the way to go?  Yes, we do disagree here.  I think we should be marching in the streets by the millions, screaming at the top of our lungs, demanding the immediate removal of this moronic lunatic from the White House, absolutely.  Calmly voicing our opposition to a president who sides with the world's dictators while attacking America's allies is not enough.  Trump's extremism requires an extreme response in my opinion.

... should we react to Trump emotionally or is a totally dispassionate response the way to go?

Emotional thinking is far less effective than rational analysis, planning and execution.   So reacting to Trump (or anything) emotionally is generally a losing proposition.   Maybe it feels good, but it is typically ineffective and often counter-productive (as in back fires).

Yes, we do disagree here.  I think we should be marching in the streets by the millions, screaming at the top of our lungs, demanding the immediate removal of this moronic lunatic from the White House, absolutely. 

If a public protest is devised, designed, managed and executed on emotion it will fail miserably (and the effects can be horrible).   A public protest rationally conceived and calmly executed is the smart way to go.

Trump's extremism requires an extreme response in my opinion.

Then calm down, clear your head and devise a rational way to give the most effective response while minimizing unintended consequences.

Let me now bring this home.   In my opening post I clearly stated that Trump IMO is far below what most of us would imagine being PotUS and you, in response, are highly offended that I DARE 'normalize' Trump.   So we start off agreeing (independently) that this nation could do far better than Trump but instead of recognizing and building on the agreement you draw a line between our positions and publicly attack me for not being sufficiently emotional or extreme.   Your emotional reaction positioned an ally in thought as an opponent.   That is not a result that would typically come from rational (non-emotional) thinking.

Your contention that those who vigorously oppose Trump are only mired in emotion is , well, silly. One can be both passionate about opposing Trump and "logical".

I could just as easily categorize your stated position about Trump as "apathetic". 

Lol, interesting that you felt the need to push back a second time on my original accusation that you normalized Trump in your post even though I didn't bother reaffirming my charge the first time you pushed back.  I don't retract that accusation one bit.  You point out your strongest rejection of Trump, [which ain't all that strong, I hate to tell ya!]  while glossing over the rest of your post which absolutely DID seek to normalize Trump in my opinion.  Whatever, your post stands and everyone can make their own judgement.  He isn't just 'far below what most of us would imagine' in a president, he's a dangerous lunatic that must be removed from office as soon as possible.  

Did I say the resistance should not be organized, that no thought should go into it, no planning?  There should be a huge crowd following every single Republican congressman everywhere; outside their homes, their offices, their cabins, every fucking place they go, demanding, angrily,(yes, angrily) that they stand up against this megalomaniac and for America.  The White House press corps should be flat out calling Sarah Sanders a filthy liar on a daily basis, demanding that she stop lying to us on behalf of the treasonous piece of crap we stupidly put in the highest office in the land.  The American people pay her salary  If Trump wants to send out some amoral piece of garbage to lie for him, he can damn well pay the salary of the amoral piece of garbage himself.

Sorry Tig, I normally love your posts, but that one pissed me off.  Chastising someone for overreacting to Trump, for getting too emotional about him, will do that to me, unless it is done by an actual Trump supporter.  No use worrying about what anyone who is THAT fucked up, thinks about anything.

Chastising someone for overreacting to Trump, ...

Totally missed the point of my post.   My post was about effective ways of dealing with the situation of Trump as PotUS.   

... but that one pissed me off ...

I think that is the problem.   Emotion clouding reason.   You did not (and apparently still do not) see the point I made.   Not my problem.

Interesting how you didn't even try to push back on PJ's contention that Trump supporters have low moral character

Sweeping generalization that isn’t even remotely true but keep it up.    You’ll help hand the right the mid terms and 2020 in Hillaresk fashion.

Good job!

Trump represents change and the Dems cannot deal with change

...............LOL

Yep dems cant handle hope and change. O wait wasn't that the last democrats presidential election slogan. Hope and Change. 

trump represents turning back time and removing the changes the democrats won under the last president.

In my experience the people who seem to have the most problems with change are conservative minded folks who are very conservative about accepting or adapting to changes.     

.....................................

We should be focusing on his supporters.  They are at fault here.  Trump is only as strong as his base.

That's exactly what China is doing with their tariffs in response to Trump's.    In effect Trump is shooting his own dimwitted base in the foot.

Hope and change was a campaign slogan for Obama.....

True, the change people hoped for was more equality and more liberal social relaxation. 

If he did so great at them, why did the voters overwhelming elect Trump instead of another 4 years of Clinton who rode on Obama's coattails?

Obama did OK with the agenda he was elected to undertake. The country had a slow steady recovery from the mess it was in when Obama took office but the growth in the middle class wasn’t enough to carry a piss poor candidate like Clinton had become thru the election, also, Unhappy people vote, happy people hope it stays the same and many times don’t bother (especially when they think it’s “in the bag”.

Add to all that the intense campaigning, trumps personality, his taking out of all other competition with insults, grandiose promises, intimidation and threats and of course the number of people that was feed up with the “established government”. 

IMO: trump won n the electoral college and the presidency by a big number of factors and reasons.

PS: But,  if you closely actually look at the “voters overwhelming elect Trump” numbers that isn’t reality.  Here are the numbers: 

     Clinton = 62,523,126 Popular Votes     Trump = 61,201,031 Popular Votes

Unfortunately I believe it’s to everyone’s long term disadvantage to overlook or ignore that America really is as equally divided ideologically. That really isn’t good for any of us or the future of our country. So, I hope somehow we can change that. But, we can’t fix a problem we can’t or won’t acknowledge.

What scares me most for the long term good of America is best said in an old saying “United we stand, Divided we fall”  considering IF we fall I believe it will be from within, so, a really ideologically divided country isn’t probably a really good state to have in our country for too damn long.

What if anything ever Americans can unite on these days I’ve yet to see lately, IMO: that’s too bad.

I expect you to deflect from answering my question directly. 

Why ? I answer most responsible replies to my posts. Unfortunately, sometimes it seems like I’ve wasted my time though cause may times it ends there. Many times I never even know if my answering of a person’s question was ever even read.  I would hope anyone who asks me a question takes the time to look back and takes the time to really read my answer to their question(s). Disagree or not.

So thanks for asking me for my opinion, as you can see, I do respond.

Have a good day

You're right, of course, John... But the Unthinking Faithful ^TM cannot be reached by facts or reason.

Their Truth is Tribal. Whatever the Chief of the Tribe decrees to be True is Truth.

Insisting that The Chief's words do not correspond to reality is pointless. For the Unthinking Faithful ^TM, reality is whatever the Chief declares it to be.

I really created this little article to mock something that someone else had posted here. (I would have thought that was fairly obvious). It took me about five minutes to find copy and paste all these links. No big deal. 

I saw C4P's article with the same photo.

Didn't open it, of course. Don't have time for his tripe.

I seeded mine first.  Copy cat.

Your stuff bores me. It's all from the same template: some hack writer fantasizes the thinking of an totally imaginary "leftist", and then demolishes that straw man. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over........................................... the same article three timesevery day . Don't you ever get bored? Or have you stopped actually reading your stuff...

Why don't you seed some conservative policy ideas? I promise I'll participate constructively.

oh wait... "conservative policy ideas" ... unicorns!   

I seeded mine first.  Copy cat.  

Jefferson, it's envy, better described as jealousy which seems to be a characteristic of Liberals and one of the reasons Socialism doesn't work, because you have to be careful and don't let anyone appear to be getting more than the next guy. LOL

You keep putting your articles up.  I like watching them squirm. The only thing that holds them up are their egos.  Reminds me of something.

Mediocracy is not concerned with the quality or content of culture, but it does care to some extent about appearances. It is not interested in having genuine art, or real education, but it wants to be able to say “we have art” and “there is lots of education”. Its aim is to redefine existing activities to the point where it becomes impossible to complain that they no longer exist.

~Link~

There isn't a single further link in the piece you link to, Six...

It's pure opinion, without any foundation in fact. And yet... you posted it here in response to my challenge to post "conservative policy ideas"!

That's significant. Apparently, you (the collective "you" of the right) have lost the very notion of "policy idea" Opinion puff-pieces have supplanted policy ideas... and you don't even notice it happening...

Jefferson, it's envy, better described as jealousy which seems to be a characteristic of Liberals and one of the reasons Socialism doesn't work, because you have to be careful and don't let anyone appear to be getting more than the next guy. LOL

You keep putting your articles up.  I like watching them squirm. The only thing that holds them up are their egos.  Reminds me of something.

(Skirting removed)

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Jefferson, it's envy, better described as jealousy

I don't know of a single decent person who is jealous of Donald Trump. 

Oh, please... He's been seeding the same article three times every day for years. If you don't know in advance what he's going to seed... you haven't been paying attention.

You are easily amused Norman. Not a surprise. 

This is the reason Trump won.  Hillary was the worse candidate you could have chosen and Trump probably wouldn't have beat a more moderate candidate.  I believe he would have beaten Bernie Sanders, since I don't believe enough people were ready for a Socialist as President.  We had just survived Obama and when he went out on the campaign trail and told everyone if they wanted to save his legacy and continue it into the future, that was when Hillary went downhill, plus she was an unindicted felon and everyone knew it.

I remember you saying crowds didn't matter, but while Trump was working at least 3 times as hard as Hillary having 3 and 4 campaign events at times, Hillary was in the backyard of some wealthy elite like the Rothchild's having a campaign event.  Obama may have fooled you and the media had a stake in Hillary winning, you know the in the White House and then in the media and back again and so forth.  Think of all those positions that never got filled by the media.

If Trump is so bad, why didn't the economy tank as the great economists at the NYT predicted?  I remember one elite fellow was withdrawing all his money and cashing in his stocks.  Guess he is sorry now as well.  Why did Obama only increase the Dow 2k points over the last 2 or 3 years of his last term and it has gone up at least 3 times that much in a year and a half?   If Trump is so bad, why didn't the unemployment go up instead of being a historical lows.  

Sometimes the suit is empty, but the presentation is good.  Some people fall for such things and then others don't. 

Six...

The 2016 election is over. It has been over for almost two years.

In those two years, what has been accomplished? A huge tax-cut for the wealthy. Full stop. Nothing else.

Isn't it time to at least start talking about the future?

Yep....when the Republicans retain control of Congress and gain seats in the Senate in the midterms....perhaps enough to make it filibuster proof, then some things are going to start getting done. The Democrats are going to have to figure out what they stand for besides open borders, unlimited illegal immigration, totally unrestricted abortion, and gender confusion. Right now the whole Democrat party appears to in tatters and is flopping around like a flounder out of the water.

Actually Trump has accomplished much more than just a tax cut for everyone. (fixed it for you)

He has appointed a conservative Supreme Court judge; and will be appointing another one shortly.  (After Sotomayor and Kagan having judges that actually don't legislate from the bench will be refreshing). 

He has undone many of Obama's unlawful EO's.  Of course Trump bowed to leftist and media pressure and made an unlawful EO concerning child detention. But the same liberal judge that smacked down Obama's EO in court will do the same to Trump's. 

He is getting the US out of the horrendous deal Obama and the UN Security Council made with Iran.

He is in negotiations with North Korea to get them to disarm. Something no past POTUS has been able to do. Of course jury is still out if he will succeed. I will settle for him not selling out the US tax payer to get the deal done.

He has expanded US military presence in Syria. I don't agree with it; but I guess it proves he is not Putin's lap dog. Putin would love nothing more than the US to pull out.  I doubt he enjoys Trump sending in US ground troops; and increasing US presence.

Trump has started a tariff trade war over unfair trade agreements made by past presidents. Again, I would rather see the US pull out of NATO; and sign defensive pacts with all of our allies that state the US will not act unless our ally is directly attacked. That would force our allies to spend more on their own military- and take money away from their business protectionism. Let them decide if guns or butter are more important for a change.

Trump has also made the left and media so foaming at the mouth rabid; that conservative and moderate voters will never trust them again. Being anti Trump is not a strong political platform.

He has undone a lot.

He has done almost nothing.

... and we hear no plans to do anything...

Was Obama a candidate in 2016?

In those two years, what has been accomplished? A huge tax-cut for the wealthy. Full stop. Nothing else.

He has done almost nothing.

... and we hear no plans to do anything...

Really?   I am not a huge Trump fan.   I wish he could never tweet again.  I hate Jeff Sessions and don't forgive Trump for appointing him and he does and has done a lot of other things to piss me off but it irks me that some people can't give any credit where credit it due, none, zilch, zero... and the fact is he deserves some.  So Please, Let me help you on some of what has been accomplished in 2 years.  

• Lowest unemployment in a generation
• Lowest unemployment among Minorities EVER
• Higest GDP growth in years
• Nearly 3 million jobs have been created since President Trump took office.

• 304,000 manufacturing jobs have been created since President Trump took office, and manufacturing employment stands at its highest level since December 2008.

• 337,000 construction jobs have been created since President Trump took office, and construction employment stands at its highest level since June 2008.

• Under President Trump, the unemployment rate has dropped to 3.8, the lowest rate since April 2000, and job openings have reached 6.6 million, the highest level recorded.

• President Trump has restored confidence in the American economy, with confidence among both consumers and businesses reaching historic highs.

• Consumer confidence in current conditions has reached a 17-year high, according to the Conference Board.

• Optimism among manufacturers has hit record highs under President Trump, according to the National Association of Manufacturers.

• Small business optimism has sustained record-high levels under President Trump according to the National Federation of Independent Business.

• President Trump signed the historic Tax Cuts and Jobs Act into law, cutting taxes for American families and making American business more competitive.

• American families received $3.2 trillion in gross tax cuts and saw the child tax credit double.

• The top corporate tax rate was lowered from 35 percent to 21 percent so American businesses could be more competitive.

• President Trump has rolled back unnecessary job-killing regulations beyond expectations.

• In 2017, President Trump far exceeded his promise to eliminate regulations at a two-to-one ratio, issuing 22 deregulatory actions for every new regulatory action.

• The Administration rolled back rules and regulations harming farmers and energy producers, such as the Waters of the United States Rule and the Clean Power Plan.

• Regional and community banks and credit unions got relief after President Trump signed legislation reducing harmful requirements imposed by the Dodd-Frank Act.

• Since taking office, President Trump has advanced free, fair, and reciprocal trade deals that protect American workers, ending decades of destructive trade policies.

• President Trump’s Administration is working to defend American intellectual property from China’s unfair practices through a range of actions.

• The President improved the KORUS trade agreement with the Republic of Korea, which will allow more U.S. automobile exports to South Korea with lower tariffs and increase U.S. pharmaceutical access to South Korea.

• American agriculture has gained access to new markets under President Trump.

Your list only confirms what I said.

The economy is the Fed's work. Bernanke stopped the crash and got the economy headed back up. Yellen stayed the course. We haven't seen enough of the new guy to draw any opinion. The Trump economy is a linear continuation of the Obama economy. And we haven't yet felt the consequences of Trump’s trade war.

The tax cut was what is expected of the GOP: zillions for tbe already-rich, to be paid for by everyone else.

I suppose a fervent Trumpist counts the President's roll-back of Obama's environmental protection advances to be a good thing... but no sane person would.

And the other items are fact-free puffery.

Kinda not great for a President whose party also controls both Houses of Congress and the Supreme Court....

The Trump economy is a linear continuation of the Obama economy

Nope.    Billions, even trillions sat on the bench during the Obama admin directly due the policy positions they took, or didn’t take.

Much of that money has been invested by businesses since.    Invested  money that Obama Can take zero credit for.    Quite the opposite actually.

Much of that money has been invested by businesses since.

That simply isn't true.

Trump has said it.

Fox has probably said it - I wouldn't know since I don't watch pornography...

But it simply is not true. The only significant change in corporate behavior has been massive stock buy-backs, which do absolutely nothing for the economy in general.

But it simply is not true. The only significant change in corporate behavior has been massive stock buy-backs, which do absolutely nothing for the economy in general.

You may be able to sell that shinola to some people here but it simply isn't true.   That is not the ONLY thing being done ..... not that there is anything wrong with stock buy backs in a free economy.    That is if one isn't a socialist i suppose .... which i am not.   You? 

There's plenty of empirical data out there which proves you wrong.   Business people like me are the best proof but here is just one from an "unbiased" source.

Business investment

Feel free to share the sources for your comment.   I think those of us who are business people would like to see them so we can decide if should stop investing like we are now.

This is not complicated:

There has been no rise in investment since the tax cut law was passed.

If you prefer cloud-cuckoo-land BS... that's fine with me.

Fair enough Bob, once again we see where you stand.   Per usual you've provided nothing but your opinion to back up you assertions.    

That said, my cuckoo land is called reality.   Yours is called ..... cloud cuckoo land and yes .... that is fine with me as well.

Did you check your link? 

Here's a link that works , to that well-known commie pinko fake news bastion, the Wall Street Journal :

Business investment in equipment is showing no signs of accelerating six months after lawmakers in Washington overhauled the tax system with the intent to spark such spending.

Whoops, not sure what happened there but glad you enjoyed it Bob.   Small entertainment for small minds i guess ....

The article i tried to link:

Business investment

Business investment excluding housing, for instance, rose in the first three quarters of 2017 by the most in three years, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Strong business spending helped boost GDP growth above 3% in the second and third quarters.

And

Another measure of business investment known as core capital orders, meanwhile, began to surge early in Trump’s first year in office. The 12-month rate of growth recently hit a five-year high of nearly 10%

Once again socialist, left wing leanings have been proven wrong.   Just like all of history.  

Socialism suck!

So... investment has not jumped following the tax cuts... and overall it has climbed all the way up to... where it was during most of the Obama years.

Facts are nasty!

Facts are nasty!

They can be ..... that is if you can read them.  

Your chart is illegible.

Right-click,

"View Image"

Shazaam!

But just in case that's too difficult...

Well look at that, presto chango, The trump timeline magically appeared.    That said, i’d try to explain trendline construction to you but i’m sure even if you could grasp the concept, you wouldn’t admit to the more positive slope since Trump got in office.

Interestingly your chart excludes major portions of our economy.    One wonders what that would do the trend eh Bob?

You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about, have you?    

Yes i do but its clear that you don't.  

But you do spin a good yarn and toss a good sanctimonious insult here and there so you got that going for you.

This is the reason Trump won.  Hillary was the worse candidate you could have chosen and Trump probably wouldn't have beat a more moderate candidate.

Completely immaterial to whether or not Trump is the most fucked up president. 

Your comment is even more immaterial to whether Trump is the most fucked up president ever than Sixpick's was. 

The Democratic party is more insane and fucked up than its ever been.

You must have an interesting definition of the word "minority".

I posted 16 factual links about Trump, and my reward on Newstalkers is to have my seed trolled. 

This place is a mess. 

This place is a mess.

Trolling and vandalizing are allowed on NT. This has been made clear, again and again. It's pointless to complain about it.

As for what is forbidden... That is whatever any Mod happens to say it is. And it's equally pointless to complain about that.

Other forums are no better.

Perrie is trying .... others?   Not so much.  

That said, there is always a few rotten peaches in the bushel basket.   The key is to throw them away and not eat them.

Perrie is trying...

Not really.

The solution to tolling / vandalizing is known .

I rarely agree with Bruce about anything, but he nailed this. The key to successful tolling / vandalizing is persistence. No matter what the author says, the troll persists. Over and over and over... until the seed is a smoking ruin.

The only way to prevent this persistence is to punish it. If a member was suspended every time they participated in a tolling attack, they would quickly cease.

Instead of punishing the vandals, Perrie agreed with them .

So... No. Perrie is not trying.

Nonsense.   Red box rules didn't work IMO.   They gave the author the ability to post a garbage link and then protect it.

Red rules amounted to censorship, pure and simple.

dissenting opinions!

Yep

Well, it's good to see that both the liberals and the conservatives feel picked upon. Moderation must be doing something right.

What I don't understand is how John Russell gets 3 or more CoC violations a week and doesn't get suspended.

I posted 16 factual links about Trump

Lol, factual is in the eye of the beholder John.   I don't have the time or desire to open all 16 of your anti Trump links but then again i knew i would only need to open one or two to get to the bottom of your propaganda hit piece.   And lo and behold the first one i clicked, the Veteran Smear link, yields an article from Right Wing Watch.   One of the most leftists publications in existence.

  Right Wing Watch  

What garbage!

Honestly John, do you stay up nights reading all this crap just to post it here.   No wonder you have a shitty attitude.

Lol, factual is in the eye of the beholder John.

You are the perfect Trumpster. 

Nope, i play the bass.  

Which doesn't change the the real FACT that your article is a piece of left wing garbage.   The only people who support nonsense like that are left wing loons and/or batshit crazy ladys.

'Real fact' (deleted) ?  But I thought factual was in the eye of the beholder, make up your mind!

I  know reality is tough on you sometimes lenny ...... breathe ..... take a couple full breaths, make sure to exhale fully each time ...... better?

Lol, why, I'm as relaxed as can be, but I notice you didn't answer the question.  Are there 'real facts' as you said, or are facts 'in the eye of the beholder' as you claimed previously? 

"...factual is in the eye of the beholder..."

Good one ( deleted) !

Are there 'real facts' as you said, or are facts 'in the eye of the beholder' as you claimed previously?

C'mon lenny, you know it can be both depending on the eyes that are beholding.   Honestly, i thought you were smarter than that.   Guess not though ....  

In this case the seeder considers an article from a source with a heavy left wing bias, to be fact.    Which is rarely the case with such biased sources.   This one is clearly a biased hit piece.   That said, the source clearly does have a heavy left wing bias.   That is a documented fact.

Make the connection yet lenny?

Not even in the same ballpark no matter how loud you leftists whine ....... Harding, Andrew Johnson, Buchanan or Pierce perhaps.

Is Trump The Most Fucked Up President Ever?

Speaking only of the time span from 1951 to present (my lifetime here on planet bizarro), I would have to answer with a resounding yes.

Of course. You are a smart, perceptive guy, but you are also stating the obvious here. 

Well John, unless one has partaken of the Kool Aid, it was the obvious answer to the question. From a historical viewpoint going back prior to 1951, I would have to say that my answer still holds true. Jackson and Harding were in the mix, but Mr. Trump has no peers when it comes to buffoonery.

That's the way, Luther! Short, sweet, to the point and no dancing arround. Question Answered.

Also, answer agreed with.

Not much to say beyond that

Con men con people.  That's what they do.  Mr. Trump is doing what he does best.  I hold his cult followers responsible.  They are the idiots that have decided to embrace this con man.  

I hold his cult followers responsible

Still can't accept the responsibility of running and supporting the only candidate that could have and did lose to him. 😔

Your comment just reinforces that you have no idea who I am as a person.  I'm very principled.  I'm quite capable of succeeding without disenfranchising others.

No PJ, what this is, is modern Darwinism. It is said some people devolve from Homo Sapiens (thinking man) they could become Homo GENITILIS Sapiens (creatures who's total attention and all thought is guided by genitals, their own and other peoples,) who will consistently and enthusiastically act and vote against their own best interests until they finally can't make it anymore. 

you can judge a man by his enemies...

as long as trump is pissing off globalists and the lunatic sect of the left?

we know he is doing exactly what we voted for him to do.

trump will be remembered as one of our greatest presidents ever.  

nothing will stop this train.

enjoy america v2.0   

Trump to liberals: “I may be slow but I’m still ahead of you.”

And democrat looney policy will keep him there. They want to: shield illegal aliens from deportation in sanctuary cities, abolish ICE, glorify gender confusion, limit everybody’s free speech but their own, stalk and harass anyone who disagrees with them, openly discriminate based on ideology, an on and on.

Hillary disparaged herself as the overwhelming victory by Trump shows.

We can tell you hang on Trump's every word. He's probably the only person on earth that thinks he won an "overwhelming" victory. 

Well I can say that I was overwhelmingly surprised , by trumps surprise victory that night , conventional wisdom, the polling , and MSM reporting leading up to that night , had it a lock , right up until it wasn't a sure thing lock on who would win . and I really enjoyed watching the msm pundits that night , NEVER again will I take a shot when they have to call a state wrong....

 please remember , I didn't vote for either of the major party candidates , I voted for the pothead Johnson.