Liberal America has a political violence problem

Liberal America has a political violence problem
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Hamburg, Germany, July. As world leaders gather for the G20 summit, far-left “anti-fascist” (antifa) rioters set fire to cars and property, terrorize residents and injure more than 200 police officers attempting to keep the peace. Did you miss it? CNN’s initial reports referred to the “protesters” as “eclectic” and “peaceful.”

But you need not cross the shining seas to experience violence, destruction of property and a general dismantling of liberal values from the political left. You could simply visit America’s elite college campuses like Yale or Middlebury or Berkeley, where tomorrow’s leaders attempt to shut down conservative voices with protest or riots. At Middlebury, rioting students landed liberal professor Allison Stanger in a neck brace for the crime of defending a conservative academic’s right to speak. At Berkeley, mobs of students created a “war zone” ahead of a planned visit from conservative provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, injuring Trump supporters and causing $100,000 in damages.

Or head to Portland, Ore., one of the most liberal cities in the nation in the heart of the progressive Pacific Northwest, which this month Politico labeled “America’s Most Politically Violent City.” The progressive paradise —where Republicans are virtually an extinct species — has witnessed millions in damages attributed to the same types of anti-fascists-in-name-only that kept Hamburg residents paralyzed in fear this month. A “counter-protest” to a planned pro-Trump rally landed 14 antifa in jail for attacking the police with explosives and bricks.

Witness the blood-soaked congressional baseball field in Alexandria, Va., site of the June attack on U.S. Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., and other Republicans batting up for their annual bipartisan game. James Hodgkinson, a “fervent supporter of progressive politics,” showed up to the field with a rifle, a handgun and a hit list of Republicans. As Scalise fought for his life, MSNBC host Joy Reid felt conflicted: The attempted assassination was a “delicate thing” because of Scalise’s conservative views like opposition to gay marriage. “Are we required in a moral sense to put that aside in the moment?” she wondered. Yes, Joy, you are. The shooting of a mainstream, congressional Republican leader is reprehensible, and in no way justifiable.)


Now cross the Potomac and visit the halls of Congress, where Democratic lawmakers have accused Republicans of murder for supporting an overhaul to the spiraling, ruined Obamacare program, which by next year will leave dozens of counties without a single option for insurance. Reasonable people can disagree about how much our Medicaidprogram should grow without comparing the Republican bill to 9/11, as Sen. Bernie Sanders, the independent from Vermont, did recently. Or saying the health care bill is paid for with “blood money” of dead Americans, as Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., tweeted shortly after the Scalise attack. If our sitting senators don’t act more responsibly, who will?

Instead of retweeting, liberals who care about preserving our political system should be outraged that these are the standard-bearers of their party.

Nobody is directly responsible for a shooting except the shooter, and nobody throws a brick except the person who picks it up. No side has a monopoly on political violence. There are loonies at the fringes of every political movement — mentally ill, perturbed and paranoid — who can be stirred toward violence or dissuaded from it.

But when we have Democratic senators accusing political opponents of murder, when our college campuses descend into assault zones for conservative speakers (or those who defend them), when our major cities become playgrounds for far-left rioters and the news media gloss over it, we move toward a more violent and fractured society, not a safer one.

If gay people were pouring into bars and punching straight people, I as a gay man would speak out. If Jews were propagating terror in the name of our religion, I would condemn it vociferously. And when violence has come from the conservative side, I don’t hesitate to stand against it. But it’s not.

There have been no right-wing groups storming campuses and flinging feces at speakers we don’t like; no tea party mobs destroying property, assaulting police officers, and paralyzing our major cities; and no Republican senators calling their colleagues murderers just weeks after a political assassination attempt.

From Portland to New Haven to Washington, the violence we’re witnessing is largely a product of the hard left, and the reaction from mainstream liberals — mostly silence, dismissiveness, equivocation — means it will continue to flourish.

To move toward a less violent and hyper-charged society, we must be clearheaded about violence where we see it, and not avoid the subject. We must condemn it without conditions.

If you think Republicans are murderers, you’re an extremist. If you’re trading in that kind of rhetoric just to shut the other side up or raise a buck, you’re giving cover to extremists. And if you object to political violence but fail to speak out, your weakness is causing our society to fracture.

It’s time for liberal America to speak out against violence and the rhetoric that incites it.

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96WS6
1  96WS6    5 days ago

A voice of reason in a sea of madness.....

 
 
epistte
1.1  epistte  replied to  96WS6 @1    5 days ago

You don't differentiate between the Antifa and Black Bloc, who are anarchists. 

https://www.occupy.com/article/unmasking-black-bloc-who-they-are-what-they-do-how-they-work#sthash.xTecwu3q.dpbs

 
 
96WS6
1.1.1  96WS6  replied to  epistte @1.1    5 days ago
https://www.occupy.com/article/unmasking-black-bloc-who-they-are-what-they-do-how-they-work#sthash.xTecwu3q.dpbs

I have never even heard of them is this some new made up to try to convince people that ANTIFA is peaceful?

 
 
96WS6
1.1.2  96WS6  replied to  epistte @1.1    5 days ago

Hey found some info.  So how do you even tell these guys and ANTIFA apart?  They use the same tactics and wear the same kinds of masks the ANTIFA criminals do.  Make no mistake, if you came to start a riot or incite violence you are not a peaceful protester.  You are a criminal.  If you weren't you wouldn't need to cover your face.

BTW thanks for pointing out there are even worse left wing wackos than ANTIFA to worry about.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-black-bloc-20170212-story.html

 
 
Colour Me Free
1.1.4  Colour Me Free  replied to  96WS6 @1.1.1    5 days ago

From everything I have read, 'black bloc' is a tactic of Antifa and even white nationalists in order to protect ones identity .. even after reading the links, I am still thinking that these individuals are one in the same.  All one needs is a helmet and a face cover - Ta Da black bloc - for appearances, I guess everyone can also dress in black...

 
 
96WS6
1.1.5  96WS6  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.4    5 days ago

Looks that way to me too.

 
 
Silent_Hysteria
1.1.6  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.4    5 days ago

This is correct.  Black bloc are tactics.  Although some groups have adopted the name.  Words change I guess but initially it was just tactics used 

 
 
Colour Me Free
1.1.7  Colour Me Free  replied to  96WS6 @1.1.5    5 days ago

I suppose it could be for blame sake that black bloc is seen as a different organization/movement - ignore the man behind the curtain kind of thing...

There is so much anger, that runs so deep .. what else can become of it but violence?  I would like to think Charlottesville was a one of a kind explosion - the law enforcement at the scene, out numbered and I think intimidated .. did nothing but watch as 35 different states supremacists converged on Charlottesville along with Antifa...

The Frontline program Tuesday night said that there was no intelligence being shared, and that Charlottesville police did not do their research (paraphrasing of course) thus were caught with their pants down.

 
 
epistte
1.1.8  epistte  replied to  96WS6 @1.1.1    5 days ago
I have never even heard of them is this some new made up to try to convince people that ANTIFA is peaceful?

I had run-ins with them during the anti-war protests in 2002-03. They tended to break stuff and then leave but the media didn't see them so they blamed the broken windows and burned cars on the anti-war types like us.  We called them anarcho-kiddies. Most of them are just looking for a reason to break stuff and cause trouble.

I've never seen Antifa, but they have to be more peaceful than those punks.

 
 
TruettCollins
1.1.9  TruettCollins  replied to  96WS6 @1.1.1    3 days ago

It seems you have trouble makers that hide in the rest of the crowd to cause problems, how ever you haven't had a car run though the middle of the Con crowd killing a young woman.

 
 
Heartland American
1.1.10  Heartland American  replied to  96WS6 @1.1.5    2 days ago

I agree as well. 

 
 
Tessylo
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  96WS6 @1    5 days ago

'Hamburg, Germany, July. As world leaders gather for the G20 summit, far-left “anti-fascist” (antifa) rioters set fire to cars and property, terrorize residents and injure more than 200 police officers attempting to keep the peace. Did you miss it? CNN’s initial reports referred to the “protesters” as “eclectic” and “peaceful.”

How does relate to the 'liberal america having a political violence problem' since it happened in Germany?

 
 
96WS6
1.2.1  96WS6  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    5 days ago

If you read past the first paragraph you should be able to figure that our for yourself.Face Palm

 
 
Tessylo
1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  96WS6 @1.2.1    5 days ago

I did - but the usual blathering nonsense turned me off. 

 
 
96WS6
1.2.3  96WS6  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    5 days ago

Is that why you have never finished one?

 
 
Heartland American
1.2.4  Heartland American  replied to  96WS6 @1.2.3    2 days ago

They don’t read our seeds.  They are here only to criticize.  

 
 
lennylynx
1.2.5  lennylynx  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.4    2 days ago

Anyone who is scribbled enough to think Trump is a good president, is not worth listening to at all.

 
 
Sparty On
1.2.6  Sparty On  replied to  lennylynx @1.2.5    2 days ago

Anyone who rants, raves and otherwise carries on about Trump like many on here do, has bigger problems than who our POTUS is.

MUCH bigger problems .....

 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.4    2 days ago
They don’t read our seeds.

Oh, please! There have been several instances where it was perfectly clear that you yourself had not read your seed.

 
 
JohnRussell
1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  96WS6 @1    5 days ago

This article is over a year old.  At least find something current to make an argument about a supposed present threat. 

 
 
96WS6
1.3.1  96WS6  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3    5 days ago

That is a good point John.  Since this article was written Maxine has rounded up the troops and there have been several more ANTIFA clashes.  A black female conservative was publicly harassed and shouted White supremacist slogans at, and in an almost word for word execution of that encouragement...there were a couple of liberals in the restaurant and (although she is not a cabinet member and does not work for Trump) they called a bunch of other people and "created a crowd" and "pushed back on them" and "told them they are not welcome".  

...and here is Hillary with an ANTIFA terrorist that was recently arrested for illegally carrying a deadly weapon.

Antifamemberhillaryclinton678x381.jpg

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2  Dismayed Patriot    5 days ago

"And when violence has come from the conservative side, I don’t hesitate to stand against it. But it’s not."

Really? It's not? Seems to be a long record of right wing violence and murder that the author has conveniently forgotten about. (Column shows # injured/killed)

2018 Stabbing of Blaze Bernstein Orange County, California 0 1
2017 University of Maryland stabbing College Park, Maryland 0 1
2017 Car-ramming attack into counter-protestors at the white nationalist Unite the Right rally Charlottesville, Virginia 19 1
2017 Portland train attack Portland, Oregon 1 2
2017 Stabbing of Timothy Caughman New York City 0 1
2015 Shooting at a showing of the film Trainwreck Lafayette, Louisiana 9 2
2015 Planned Parenthood shooting Colorado Springs, Colorado 9 3
2015 Shooting attack on worshippers at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church Charleston, South Carolina 1 9
2014 Attack on Pennsylvania State Police barracks Blooming Grove, Pennsylvania 1 1
2014 Ambush attack on Las Vegas police officers Las Vegas, Nevada 3
2014 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting Overland Park, Kansas 3
2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting attack on TSA officer Los Angeles, California 6 1
2013 Double murder committed by Jeremy Lee Moody and Christine Moody Jonesville, South Carolina 0 2
2012 Ambush attack against St. John the Baptist Parish police St. John the Baptist Parish, Louisiana 2 2
2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting Oak Creek, Wisconsin 4 6
2012 Tri-state killing spree by white supremacists David Pedersen and Holly Grigsby Multiple 4
2011 FEAR group attacks Georgia 3
2010 Murder committed by Aryan Brotherhood members Mississippi 0 1
2010 Shooting at bookstore cafe perpetrated by Ross William Muehlberger Wichita Falls, Texas 4 1
2010 Murder of Todd Getgen[42][43] Carlisle, Pennsylvania 0 1
2010 Suicide attack by airplane Austin, Texas 13 1
2009 Murder of sex offender by white supremacists North Palm Springs, California 0 1
2009 Murder committed by Charles Francis Gaskins Carmichael, California 0 1
2009 United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting Washington, D.C. 1 1
2009 Assassination of George Tiller Wichita, Kansas 1 1
2009 Murders of Raul and Brisenia Flores Brockton, Massachusetts 1 2
2009 Shooting of Pittsburgh police officers Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 2 3
2009 Woodburn bank bombing Woodburn, Oregon 2 2
2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting Knoxville, Tennessee 8 2
2007 Murder of homeless man by Aryan Soldiers 0 1
2006 Murder committed by John Ditullio 1 1
2004 Bank robbery Tulsa, Oklahoma 0 1
2003 Torture, abduction and murder Salinas, California 0 1
2001 Post-September 11 shootings Multiple 1 6
 
 
1stwarrior
2.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    5 days ago

Here's some of your Antifa peaceful marchers cold-cocking a guy just walking down the street - not violence?????

https://www.facebook.com/DCNFthefacts/videos/634979896901929/

Wonder why they all have to cover their faces - hit you from behind - always be with a crowd - aren't they "proud" of what they're doing?

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1    5 days ago
your Antifa peaceful marchers cold-cocking a guy just walking down the street - not violence?

First, I have always denounced any violence or vandalism by any side of the political fence. Second, antifa doesn't represent me and is likely made up of a bunch of hooligan anarchist opportunists than actual liberals, progressives and Democrats. And lastly, really? You're going to counter the long list of right wing killers with "Look at this, a guy punched a Nazi". Oh no! Stop the presses! A punch was thrown so that of course excuses all the white supremacists and right wing conservatives who have no problem murdering Americans they disagree with. /s

 
 
96WS6
2.1.2  96WS6  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1    5 days ago
Wonder why they all have to cover their faces

That sums ANTIFA up in a nutshell.  If they weren't criminals they wouldn't cover their faces,  They wold stand proud of what they stand for and show their face.

 
 
Sparty On
2.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  96WS6 @2.1.2    5 days ago
If they weren't criminals they wouldn't cover their faces,

Because if they don't mom will find out what they are up to and kick them out of the basement.

Thus drying up their yoohoo, hot pockets and cheeetos source

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.4  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1    5 days ago
Wonder why they all have to cover their faces - hit you from behind - always be with a crowd - aren't they "proud" of what they're doing?

hooded kkk.jpg So, why do these guys hide their faces?

 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.6  Colour Me Free  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.4    5 days ago

Hello Mr. G ...

Do you have a date on this photo?  I am just curious, seems to me it has been a while since I have seen hoods on Klansmen 

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.7  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.6    4 days ago
I am just curious, seems to me it has been a while since I have seen hoods on Klansmen 

No I don't, I looked for a date so that I could date it but, there wasn't one, however, the site I took it from has plenty more from different eras of the klan if you're interested. I think this one is pretty recent, the person facing away from the camera is a woman and, the clothes she has on are more modern country than would have been present say two decades ago.

The question still stands, why do they need to hide their faces if what they are doing isn't going to lead to violence?

 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.8  Colour Me Free  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.7    4 days ago

Thanks Mr G...

When it comes to the Klan, they use to and I presume still do have different levels of meeting/gatherings where traditional dress is required.... In the past 10 / 15 years the Klan has come out of the closet, but prob are going to cover up again since there is a website outing white supremacists .. people hide their identity for many reasons - violence is a part of it when it comes to Klan, anonymity 'was' key in the scheme of things … as many were docs, lawyers .. even judges under those white sheets burning crosses..

Anifa/Black Bloc are employing similar tactics .. anonymity in case of violence, which they themselves say they are ready for at all times.

ALL of them (Antifa and the Klan) have a private life and do not desire everyone to know their extreme beliefs .. one cannot walk into a room and spot which ones are which....

Hope I kind of answered the question..

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.9  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.8    4 days ago
Anifa/Black Bloc are employing similar tactics .. anonymity in case of violence, which they themselves say they are ready for at all times.

ALL of them (Antifa and the Klan) have a private life and do not desire everyone to know their extreme beliefs .. one cannot walk into a room and spot which ones are which....

Hope I kind of answered the question..

Not in my opinion, the difference I see is in the way they mean the phrase, "anonymity in case of violence, which they themselves say they are 'ready for at all times'". Being ready for violence can mean many things but, I think it has to do with two things with these groups, the klan is ready to commit violence at any time, Antifa is ready to defend themselves against violence at anytime or, commit violence, depending on the situation because, I'm sure there are people in Antifa who don't have "pure" motives when it comes to the "cause".

 
 
JaneDoe
2.1.10  JaneDoe  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.6    4 days ago

Hello Colour

I did a tineye search and it looks like the photo came from this article. It was the only result listed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3158161/Inside-Ku-Klux-Klan-New-documentary-reveals-reviled-racists-GROWING-strength.html

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.11  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.10    4 days ago

Thanx Jane, like I said, the photo looked recent.

 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.12  Colour Me Free  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.10    4 days ago

Thanks very much for the link Jane... yet those pictures are of ceremonies/rituals/swearing in type stuff, where traditional garb is to be worn.

We have been hearing about the rise of white nationalists since Obama was elected … more hits on websites .. there are real people that keep a constant thumb on the pulse of these 'hate groups' and yes they are alive and well, but not dominate any longer.  Their mastering of intimidation has diminished … KKK numbers are some where between 5 and 8k … Aryan Nations / brotherhood is a high estimate of 20k .. most being incarcerated in prison gangs..

This is a nation of 300 million people, why are white nationals living in so many peoples heads - racism is nasty, ugly, destructive belief system that like a fire, cannot not be stamped out by pouring gas on it.....

I babbled ...

 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.13  Colour Me Free  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.9    4 days ago

I have to respectfully disagree .. anyone ready for violence is also ready/looking to commit violence (to me it is the nature of the beast) … I cannot see that anyone has the moral high ground .. beliefs may be different, but the tactics (making their messages heard) even if it comes to violence are the same!

I condemn both sides .. they are all extremists.... 

 
 
96WS6
2.1.14  96WS6  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.4    3 days ago
So, why do these guys hide their faces?

Because they are the same type of shitbags ANTIFA are

 
 
JaneDoe
2.1.15  JaneDoe  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.12    3 days ago

I don’t think you babbled. I actually agree with you. I just wanted to share the origin of the photo.

I do understand that they were wearing the traditional garb(age)  due to the ceremonies they were conducting. I’m sure they wanted to play for the documentary cameras too. Pride in their stupidity. Their numbers are minute in comparison to our population. Thank goodness!! I find them and Antifa to be a bunch of violence seeking idiots that don’t deserve any attention.

 As to why so many people seem obsessed with them, I wish I knew the answer but I only have my opinion, which is, We are over using the terms nazis, racist, etc... applying it in situations that it doesn’t fit. Labeling people with opposing views as some type of hate filled this or that. Sadly some people seem to be believing it. It’s gotten out of hand. Some people acting out in the very ways they claim to hate when someone else does it. You see it here everyday too. Comments made to other members with the intent to insult, label or twist your words to fit some point they think they made. It gets tiresome. Again just my POV.

side note... I tried to respond earlier but was having trouble with the reply function.

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.16  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.13    3 days ago
I have to respectfully disagree .. anyone ready for violence is also ready/looking to commit violence (to me it is the nature of the beast)

Well, then I guess police officers are looking to commit violence in your view? They are ready for violence, they have guns, mace, bullet proof vests, tasers, handcuffs and, "billy" clubs.

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.18  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  96WS6 @2.1.14    3 days ago
Because they are the same type of shitbags ANTIFA are

Obviously you know more about Antifa than I do I haven't seen were they are the "same kind of shitbags" that the KKK are, I haven't seen were they ran a car into a crowd of people injuring a bunch of them and, killing one person, I haven't seen were they walked into a church and, shot nine people, I haven't seen were they bombed churches and, a set fire to them and, I haven't seen were they hung people  from trees because they dared to look at a woman who wasn't of the same race as them. Can you show me where any of this happened with Antifa?

 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.19  Colour Me Free  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.15    3 days ago

Thanks again JaneDoe, this time for understanding my frustration..   Seems as of late I find myself preaching, and it is not my intent.

Agreed on the pictures and the traditional garb(age) .. that made me smile actually..  I appreciate your response...

 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.20  Colour Me Free  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.16    3 days ago

Ooo please stop - the spin is making me dizzy!

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.21  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.20    2 days ago
Ooo please stop - the spin is making me dizzy!

Then maybe you should stop spinning.

 
 
Tessylo
2.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.18    2 days ago

No they can't.   

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.23  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.22    2 days ago

I know, that's why they started resorting to the one line retorts. 

 
 
96WS6
2.2  96WS6  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    5 days ago

HOLY SHIT! going back 18 years? 

How about we stick to 2017 and 2018 we are talking about NOW right?  Or at least the last 5 years?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/20343/timeline-antifa-violence-january-%E2%80%93-august-2017-frank-camp

This is only antifa violence it doesn't include Maxine's moonbats harassing people like Candice Owens and shouting White supremacist chants at her (she is black).

 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  96WS6 @2.2    5 days ago

Going back not quite one year.........

170812-charlottesville-car-crash-graphic-ew-413p_fb83f513fd30e7adbb65d5ec29eb8e8c.fit-760w.jpg

 
 
96WS6
2.2.2  96WS6  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.1    5 days ago

see 6.1

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  96WS6 @2.2    5 days ago
How about we stick to 2017 and 2018 we are talking about NOW right?  Or at least the last 5 years?
Okay, here's the last 5 years. That's 30 dead, 46 seriously injured. What was the score for antifa again? 0 dead, a handful of bloody noses and some interrupted meals? Your excuse can't even be considered a false equivalence, it's just plain ridiculous.
2018 Stabbing of Blaze Bernstein Orange County, California 0 1
2017 University of Maryland stabbing College Park, Maryland 0 1
2017 Car-ramming attack into counter-protestors at the white nationalist Unite the Right rally Charlottesville, Virginia 19 1
2017 Portland train attack Portland, Oregon 1 2
2017 Stabbing of Timothy Caughman New York City 0 1
2015 Shooting at a showing of the film Trainwreck Lafayette, Louisiana 9 2
2015 Planned Parenthood shooting Colorado Springs, Colorado 9 3
2015 Shooting attack on worshippers at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church Charleston, South Carolina 1 9
2014 Attack on Pennsylvania State Police barracks Blooming Grove, Pennsylvania 1 1
2014 Ambush attack on Las Vegas police officers Las Vegas, Nevada 3
2014 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting Overland Park, Kansas 3
2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting attack on TSA officer Los Angeles, California 6 1
2013 Double murder committed by Jeremy Lee Moody and Christine Moody Jonesville, South Carolina 0

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96WS6
2.3  96WS6  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    5 days ago

June 2016: 

– Protesters jumped on cars, stole hats, fought with and threw eggs at Trump supporters outside a Trump rally in downtown San Jose, Calif. Trump supporters sued San Jose over the violence.

July 2016:

-A Hillary Clinton supporter lights a flag on fire and attacks a Trump supporter in Pittsburgh.

August 2016:

-Anti-Trump protesters attacked pushed, spit on and verbally harassed attendees forced to walk a “gauntlet” as they left a Trump fundraiser in Minneapolis, Minn., and beat an elderly man. Protesters also attacked Trump’s motorcade.

A Tennessee man was assaulted at a garage sale for being a Trump supporter.

-A Trump supporter in New Jersey was attacked with a crowbar on the street.

September 2016:

-Protesters in El Cajon, Calif., chased and beat up a Trump supporter.

October 2016:

-A GOP office in North Carolina was firebombed and spray painted with “Nazi Republicans get out of town or else.”

November 2016:

-A high school student was attacked after she wrote that she supported Trump on social media. The perpetrator ripped her glasses off and punched her in the face.

-The president of Cornell University’s College Republicans was assaulted the night after Trump won the election.

-Students protesting Trump punched and kicked a Maryland high school student wearing a Make America Great Again hat.

-A high school student was arrested in Florida after he punched a classmate for carrying a Trump sign at school.

-A group of black men in Chicago attacked a white man while raging against Trump.

-Maryland high school students punched a student who was demonstrating in support of Trump, and then kicked him repeatedly while he was on the ground.

-“You support Trump. You hate Mexicans,” a California high school student yelled at a Trump supporter, before viciously beating the girl.

-An anti-bullying ambassador was arrested for shoving a 74-year-old man to the ground in a fight outside Trump tower where people upset over his win had gathered. The woman tied to Black Lives Matter caused the man to hit his head on the sidewalk.

-A Texas elementary school student was beaten by his classmates for voting for Trump in a mock election.

-Two men punched and kicked a Connecticut man who was standing with an American flag and a Trump sign.

December 2016:

-A Trump supporter was beaten and dragged by a car.

January 2017:

-A Trump supporter was knocked unconscious after airport protesters repeatedly beat him on the head.

-A Trump supporter was attacked after putting out a fire started by anti-Trump protesters.

-When Trump protesters encountered a driver with a pro-Trump flag on his car, they surrounded the vehicle, ripped off and began burning the flag, and pounded the car. They also punctured the tires.

February 2017:

-California GOP Rep. Tom McClintock had to be escorted to his car after a town hall because of angry protesters. The tires of at least four vehicles were slashed.

-Protestors knocked a 71-year-old female staffer for California GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher unconscious during a protest outside the representative’s office.

-Milo Yiannopoulos speech at the University of California-Berkeley was cancelled after rioters set the campus on fire and threw rocks through windows. Milo tweeted that one of his supporters wearing a Trump hat was thrown to the ground and kicked.

March 2017:

-Masked protesters at Middlebury College rushed AEI scholar and political scientist Charles Murray and professor Allison Stranger, pushing and shoving Murray and grabbing Stranger by her hair and twisting her neck as they were leaving a campus building. Stranger suffered a concussion. Protesters then surrounded the car they got into, rocking it back and forth and jumping on the hood.

April 2017:

-A parade in Portland, Ore.,was canceled after threats of violence were made against a Republican organization.

-Fears of violent protests shut down Ann Coulter’s UC Berkeley speech. Campus police had gathered intel on protesters who were planning to commit violence.

May 2017:

– Republican Rep. Tom Garrett, his family and his dog were targeted by a series of repeated death threats deemed credible by authorities.

-FBI agents arrested a person for threatening to shoot Republican Rep. Martha McSally over her support for Trump.

-Police in Tennessee charged a woman for allegedly trying to run Republican Rep. David Kustoff off the road.

-Police in North Dakota ejected a man after he became physical with Republican Rep. Kevin Cramer at a town hall.

-A former professor was arrested after police said they identified him on video beating Trump supporters with a U-shaped bike lock, leaving three people with “significant injuries.”

June 2017:

-James Hodgkinson opened fire on a congressional GOP baseball practice, injuring five, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise.

-Republican Rep. Claudia Tenney received an email threat that read, “One down, 216 to go,” shortly after the shooting at the Republican congressional baseball practice.

-A man driving a white Malibu reportedly fired several shots at a man driving a truck displaying a “Make America Great Again” flag in Indiana.

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  96WS6 @2.3    5 days ago

Zero dead, a handful of bloody noses and a few sore shins and lot's of whiny losers with bruised egos complaining about how the bad "antifa" punched them and took their swastika or confederate treason flag away. Again, I'm not defending antifa when they use their petty vandalism and fists of rage, they are wrong to do so. The fact remains none of what you list can be compared to right wing murder and violence in the name of conservatives, Christianity and white supremacy that the Trump organization has embraced and welcomed into its base. I'll take the guy punching Nazis in the nose over the white supremacist waving a confederate flag around shouting "Jews will not replace us!" any day.

 
 
Bob Nelson
2.3.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  96WS6 @2.3    5 days ago

That’s it? That's what you have, nationwide, for two years?? In a nation of 360 million people?

Are you trying to show that there's lots of left-wing violence... or that there is almost none?

 
 
JBB
2.3.3  JBB  replied to  96WS6 @2.3    5 days ago

I say, that is weak stuff you're selling. False equivalencies are false on their faces...

Nearly 25 years ago McVeigh and Nichols blew up OKC trying to incite a race war...

Since, it is plain for all to see the immediate threat of violence comes from righties.

Someone being rude to Sarah Huckabee is not equal with trying to incite race wars.

 
 
96WS6
2.3.4  96WS6  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.3.1    5 days ago

Sure, nothing to see here./s

 
 
Silent_Hysteria
2.4  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    5 days ago

Most of  those aren't political.  White supremacy killings aren't right wing.  Unless you want to say Islamic terrorism DOES represent Islam and the left wing?

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.4.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @2.4    5 days ago
Unless you want to say Islamic terrorism DOES represent Islam and the left wing?

In both cases there are extremist groups who themselves may not commit acts of terror or violence but are the vehicle used to radicalize both white supremacists (many of whom consider themselves devout Christians) and violent extremist Muslims. And while there are likely some non-violent Muslims who are secretly happy about the attacks on western culture or those they believe are "infidels", there are many in conservative Republican circles who are secretly glad when an abortion doctor gets shot in the head or a clinic is bombed. They certainly don't come out and condemn such violence, they often start pointing fingers at irrelevant details or use "whataboutism" to create false equivalency meant to confuse and excuse and get the attention off themselves and their culture of hate towards those they believe are "sinners".

 
 
96WS6
2.4.2  96WS6  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @2.4    5 days ago
Most of  those aren't political.  White supremacy killings aren't right wing.  Unless you want to say Islamic terrorism DOES represent Islam and the left wing?

That is actually a fair argument but that would put the Left WAY over the Right in killings so it will never be discussed in those terms and they will never lump Islamist in with Left wing.  The point is that the violence is escalating and it is not being condemed, and in many cases it is even encouraged.  This is the disturbing trend.  I think Trump should have been more vocal about denouncing ALL the violence in Charlottesville as well and put special blame there because he is president and had the podium.

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.4.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  96WS6 @2.4.2    5 days ago
That is actually a fair argument but that would put the Left WAY over the Right in killings so it will never be discussed in those terms and they will never lump Islamist in with Left wing.

Islamic extremists have far more in common with right wing extremists than they do with any left wing group, even antifa.

Right wing terrorists have bombed clinics. Islamic terrorists have bombed buildings.

Right wing extremists hate gays, liberals and progressives because they consider them sinners who have rejected their God. Islamic terrorists hate gays, liberals and progressives because they consider them sinners who have rejected Allah. Right wing extremists believe their religion is the only pathway to salvation. Islamic extremists believe their religion is the only pathway to salvation. Right wing extremists want to inject their religious beliefs into the government forcing everyone to behave as their faith dictates. Islamic extremists want to inject their religious beliefs into government forcing everyone to behave as their faith dictates. Right wing extremists have committed mass murder using assault rifles. Islamic extremists have committed mass murder with assault rifles. Right wing extremists are almost always misogynists and consider males superior to women. Islamic extremists are almost always misogynists and consider males superior to women.

Right wing extremists are just the other side of the Islamic extremists coin.

 
 
Silent_Hysteria
2.4.4  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.4.1    5 days ago

So your justification is based on your own feelings and no actual hard numbers?  When an Islamic terrorist attacks we are told Islam doesn't need to apologize for an extremist who doesn't represent Islam.  Your picking and choosin when to apply your rules based on your own bias.  Either Islamic terrorists represent Islam or thy don't.  Then right wing terrorism either does or doesn't represent the right wing based on that same application you choose

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.4.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @2.4.4    4 days ago
When an Islamic terrorist attacks we are told Islam doesn't need to apologize for an extremist who doesn't represent Islam.

Those groups who continue to radicalize Muslims should apologize. Not all Muslims are extremists just like not all conservative Republicans are extremists. Those who aren't should speak out strongly against such extremism, whether it's a doctor being shot in the head by a right wing extremist or an Islamic extremist suicide bomber in a market in the ME.

"Either Islamic terrorists represent Islam or thy don't."

They don't, and right wing extremists do not represent most Republicans. But in both cases they should be apologizing and condemning violence when some who claim to be conservative Christians or Muslims commit acts of violence in their name.

Here was my main point, peaceful Muslims and peaceful right wing Christians have more in common with each other than peaceful liberals have in common with peaceful Muslims. And beyond that, extremist Muslims have more in common with extremist right wing Christians than they have with any supposed violent left wing groups.

Right wing Christians deeply dislike and condemn gays, liberals and progressives because they consider them sinners who have rejected their God. Muslims deeply dislike gays, liberals and progressives because they consider them sinners who have rejected Allah. Right wing Christians believe their religion is the only pathway to salvation. Muslims believe their religion is the only pathway to salvation. Right wing Christians want to inject their religious beliefs into the government forcing everyone to behave as their faith dictates. Muslims want to inject their religious beliefs into government forcing everyone to behave as their faith dictates. Even when there's no violence, they are still two sides of the same coin. Their faiths even share a common root as they are both considered Abrahamic religions.

And in both cases, even the peaceful Muslims and peaceful right wing Christians will often admit (when they're being honest), if they believed their God/Allah told them to take up arms to defend their faith by killing and murdering their Gods enemies in the name of their religion, they would. Right wing Christians are not loyal to the United States, they're loyal to their religious beliefs, just like most Muslims. And both have a shared ideology, that of hating liberal progressive western values of equality and freedom. They believe themselves and their faith superior to all others and want all people to be subjected to their Gods rule aka slaves to their Gods whims. In their minds, that's is the only path to peace, to forcibly subject everyone to their faiths doctrine. Once everyone was Christian or Muslim, then the world would be at peace, or so many of them believe. The reality is there are as many rifts and sects among both that even if one religion became dominant in the world, there would still be wars, terrorism, bombings and attacks in the name of one faction or another.

 
 
Silent_Hysteria
2.4.7  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.4.5    4 days ago

Ok.  I think I misunderstood what you were saying at first.  I'm not going to argue anything you said.  My initial post was just pointing out the attacks listed weren't right wing political attacks.  I agree 

 
 
PJ
3  PJ    5 days ago

Until we can speak about violence without assigning it to the left or right we are not going to be able to make progress on a solution.  The issue is the crime NOT which political party the criminal is associated with.

All crime should be a problem not just those on the other side.  

 
 
MUVA
3.1  MUVA  replied to  PJ @3    5 days ago

You are right but again you are not a leftist or a rightist violence is bad no matter who responsible for it. 

 
 
bbl-1
4  bbl-1    5 days ago

Russian propaganda

 
 
96WS6
4.1  96WS6  replied to  bbl-1 @4    5 days ago

LMAO!   Good one!   Exposing more truth are they?laughing dude

 
 
321steve
5  321steve    5 days ago

Liberal America Has A Political Violence Problem

You dont say ? Perhaps it's because they have NO political power. 

Watch after the midterms IF the power imbalance remains the violence from the left may escalate as trump tries to turn America more to the right. Non represented people tend to revolt, protest and or riot when pushed too far too fast, trump and his followers dont know this or dont care ... for now. It seems most seem to think (wishful thinking  perhaps ?) that ALL the liberals died or left America or something. 

No they just dont have any political power AT THIS TIME. 

Keep ignoring that and watch the violence increase. Its all good remember trump won he should be able to do anything he wants ....

Let trump be trump ! 

 
 
Heartland American
5.1  Heartland American  replied to  321steve @5    5 days ago

Really?  We didn’t go violent when democrats took all political power in 1992 and 2008.  

 
 
96WS6
5.1.1  96WS6  replied to  Heartland American @5.1    5 days ago

But that's DIFFERENT!/S    The right had the intelligence to gain power back by getting themselves elected instead of inciting violence!

 
 
96WS6
5.2  96WS6  replied to  321steve @5    5 days ago
You dont say ? Perhaps it's because they have NO political power. 

Who's fault is that?

Watch after the midterms IF the power imbalance remains the violence from the left may escalate as trump tries to turn America more to the right. Non represented people tend to revolt, protest and or riot when pushed too far too fast, trump and his followers dont know this or dont care ... for now. It seems most seem to think (wishful thinking  perhaps ?) that ALL the liberals died or left America or something. 

Ever heard of voting?

No they just dont have any political power AT THIS TIME. 

When the Dems were in power I don't remember Republicans getting violent how come it's OK for the left?

Keep ignoring that and watch the violence increase. Its all good remember trump won he should be able to do anything he wants .... Let trump be trump ! 

So you are condoning violence because you can't win elections?

Maybe if they changed their ideology to something people could agree with they could actually win elections and gain power that way.  Ever think of that?Face Palm

 
 
321steve
5.2.1  321steve  replied to  96WS6 @5.2    5 days ago
if they changed their ideology to something people could agree with...lol...

Yes if we all were of the same mind all would fall quickly into place. Unfortunately IMO Neither ideology individually would be good for America. If only one idyology controlled everything America would not be the great growing evolving country we are.   I wrote this years ago and stand by it today:

.................

America needs a mix of all ideologies:

         “United we stand, divided we fall”

 Does Anyone remember this is still AMERICA ?

America needs a mix of all, conservatives, liberals and progressives.

A good blend will move America forward at a reasonable speed. 

Too many of any one ideology is bad for America.

America needs to move forward as the world progresses. 

Too many cons = little to no forward movement.

Too many liberals = move too fast forward.

Too many Independents = well you can’t have too many….lol (I’m one) LOL

Please research ALL candidates  before you VOTE

The more Americans that research ALL the candidates for all the offices before they vote and vote for the most qualified, the better our government and country will be.

 
 
321steve
5.2.2  321steve  replied to  96WS6 @5.2    5 days ago
So you are condoning violence because you can't win elections?

Not at all, I'm actually trying to prevent violence by sounding the alarm that with one side of America not represented at this time and IF the other side tries to influence the masses too much too fast I predict more violence, unfortunately most republicans don't acknowledge this.

I predict this caviler attitude by the party in power will spark more violence from the unrepresented or under represented Americans before it's over. Compromise is dead, so expect more violence from those with NO power being pushed in direction's they dont want America to go. 

WTF do you expect when people have NO power and are being pushed where they dont want to go ?  Pool parties ? LOL   NOT  !!     I expect protests and possibly riots and deaths.

IMO: The ones setting America up for even more violence are the people who are ignoring there are still two ideologies alive and well in America. 

No violence is acceptable, BUT that doesn't stop people feeling unrepresented and angry from doing it. Thats is the case on both sides, remember all the abortion clinic bombings and abortion Doctors murdered a while back by right wing radicals ? I do.  

Until America gets it's shit together and realizes we really are stronger when we unite I dont see much but going further downhill in many ways.

Good Luck America !!

 
 
96WS6
5.2.3  96WS6  replied to  321steve @5.2.1    5 days ago

I noticed you completely side stepped my point.  Which is, why are you condoning violence instead of trying to figure out how to get them elected and strengthen you base through legal and peaceful means?

 
 
321steve
5.2.4  321steve  replied to  96WS6 @5.2    5 days ago
Ever heard of voting?

Yep Actually I'm perry damn sick of voting. I research ALL candidates from all parties as I vote. Last election it took me over 6 hours to vote. The people I voted for didn't win, this time I dont know that I'll bother spending all that time and energy. I may do what so many others do .. vote straight party line, even though IMO that's exactly how bad politicians get into power over us.

PS: As an Independent I can't stand either party. 

 
 
321steve
5.2.5  321steve  replied to  96WS6 @5.2.3    5 days ago
I noticed you completely side stepped my point.

I'm not sidestepping anything.
I do all I can to get people to vote. I also try to point out problems as I see them . You know what I believe the problem is if you have read my posts, I also included the solution. Which I dont expect will be taken. So predicting more violence to you is advocating for the same ?
Not in my world.
Once predicted, steps Could be taken to avoid more violence, I dont believe they will be.

 
 
96WS6
5.2.6  96WS6  replied to  321steve @5.2.4    5 days ago
Yep Actually I'm perry damn sick of voting.
The people I voted for didn't win,

As a Libertarian leaning independent THAT HAPPENS TO ME EVERY ELECTION and I have never gotten violent over it.  It was especially depressing that no third party got 10% with the worst and most unlikable 2 "establishment"  candidates in history so believe me, I understand your frustration.....  Sorry but it's still no excuse for violence.

 
 
96WS6
5.2.7  96WS6  replied to  321steve @5.2.5    5 days ago

Actually I don't see anywhere that you have explained how to fix it.  You just complained the left doesn't have enough representation at this time.  

Unless you were suggesting to even the field without elections because the left is having a hard time with that right now?

Compromise is dead, so expect more violence from those with NO power being pushed in direction's they dont want America to go. 

This sounds like you are trying to condone violence again just because one side didn't so well in the elections.   Tell you what I think.   I think the Violence and intolerance shown by the left will hurt them badly and your prediction will come true but instead of changing their game plan they will just incite more violence and your attitude towards the situation, and ones similar, are mostly what lead me to believe this.

 
 
lib50
5.2.8  lib50  replied to  321steve @5.2.4    5 days ago

I can't believe you wouldn't vote,   I take it as a personal and civic duty and the few times I wasn't able to vote I felt guilty.  I registered as an Independent when I turned 18 and am now no party (decline to state).  I've been let down many times but still must go on, and you should too!  We need more people like you who pay attention and learn the candidates and issues beyond the bullshit.  I may not vote republican at this point in time, but that is due to their actions and lack thereof and they unfortunately have become something I could not support ever, the whole party.  When you are disappointed or need to change something, vote.  And come here and give us your considered opinion. 

 
 
321steve
5.2.9  321steve  replied to  96WS6 @5.2.6    5 days ago
THAT HAPPENS TO ME EVERY ELECTION and I have never gotten violent over it.

Me either and I dont remember MY candidates winning either. We are not everyone, some will get violent if their desires are not at least recognised. Neither you or I can stop it. NO I do not advocate for violence. I do try to explain why the violence happens, if others cant see my points, fortunately that's not my problem. 

 
 
96WS6
5.2.10  96WS6  replied to  321steve @5.2.9    5 days ago

I apologize that I thought your explanation was condoning it, but don't you see an issue when one side becomes violent when they start to lose their voice?  Isn't it a problem when that side decides violence is the way to solve the problem instead of changing some campaign promises or trying to steer the party back away from Socialism and other ideologies that ore obviously killing it?

 
 
321steve
5.2.11  321steve  replied to  lib50 @5.2.8    5 days ago
I can't believe you wouldn't vote

I probably will I usually do, however I am not in the mood or of the mind to spend 6 hours doing research and voting again this election, My discouragement will probably result in me just voting straight party line this time, easy breezy style, like most people do over and over. 

 
 
321steve
5.2.12  321steve  replied to  96WS6 @5.2.10    5 days ago
Isn't it a problem when that side decides violence is the way to solve the problem instead of changing some campaign promises or trying to steer the party back away from Socialism and other ideologies that ore obviously killing it?

I agree But I think you are assuming everyone is that intelligent, I dont believe all Americans are. 

In fact, I've seen many that aren't, even many in power. Many people in this country turn to violence to easily trying to solve problems which of course doesn't usually work anyway. 

In the same vein, many people dont recognise the source or the feeling for the need for violence.

But, I think we are actually on the same page going at the same problem from different directions. 

Have a good day

 
 
96WS6
5.2.13  96WS6  replied to  321steve @5.2.12    5 days ago

Fair enough Steve I enjoyed our discussion.

 
 
321steve
5.2.14  321steve  replied to  96WS6 @5.2.7    5 days ago
Actually I don't see anywhere that you have explained how to fix it. 

The fix is in our leaders compromising. NO ONE LISTENS to the fix. I pointed that out earlier.

Yes voting in candidates from all ideologies is very important. Unfortunately when that's not the case both sides now seem to want to act like all their opposition is dead. That's not true, the other side opposes all they can and not much forward movement happens, when not successful some people on both sides seem to turn to violence. 

I do not see this changing, because both our politicians and the media gain from the division and shifting imbalance of power and not compromising. We always have people who feel unrepresented some of them become violent. (On both sides)

So, do you offer a realistic solution beside having equally elected ideologies ?  

IMO: Compromise is the answer, unfortunately, that's not for many these days. They want it all their way. 

So I say, Good Luck America.

 
 
321steve
5.2.15  321steve  replied to  96WS6 @5.2.13    5 days ago
Fair enough Steve I enjoyed our discussion.

Thank you, I enjoyed talking with you as well. Have a good day !

 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.16  r.t..b...  replied to  96WS6 @5.2.7    5 days ago
explained how to fix it. 

Does anyone have a solution? A whole lot of partisan finger pointing going on, but as our political climate has devolved into an all-or-nothing proposition, half the population will be always be pissed off (and the pendulum will inevitably swing) leading to frustration which left ignored grows into violence. The situation could be ameliorated if our leadership didn't fan the flames. Simply being civil to one another is a start.

 
 
96WS6
5.2.17  96WS6  replied to  r.t..b... @5.2.16    5 days ago
Simply being civil to one another is a start.

I agree.  Both sides condemning ALL violence is a good step forward.

 
 
Silent_Hysteria
5.3  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  321steve @5    5 days ago

Are you serious?  Violence is ok when you lose elections?  That should work out well for democracy 

 
 
Bob Nelson
6  Bob Nelson    5 days ago

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96WS6
6.1  96WS6  replied to  Bob Nelson @6    5 days ago

that all you got?AntifaThugs.jpg

antifa p.jpgantifa racist.jpgantifa.jpgAntifaflagatNYCrally.jpgantiva violence.jpg

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  96WS6 @6.1    5 days ago

There's one small difference...

My photo represents one dead and thirty-five injured.

... while you post cartoons...

 
 
96WS6
6.1.2  96WS6  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.1    5 days ago

Of all those images you only mention the cartoon.  HOW TELLING!

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.2    5 days ago

One image = one dead, thirty-five injured

Five images (and one cartoon, let's not forget the cartoon!)  = how many dead, and how many injured?

Shall we evoke a few church bombings?

 
 
96WS6
6.1.4  96WS6  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.3    5 days ago

So to be clear the number and nature of attacks don't matter.  Only the number of dead?  

Terrorism experts say GOP shooting highlights disturbing rise in left-wing violence

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article156285584.html

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.4    5 days ago

I think the number of dead is an excellent indicator for "violence".

Dead is kinda sorta the big kahuna, no??

What do you propose?

 
 
Tessylo
6.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.4    5 days ago
'So to be clear the number and nature of attacks don't matter.  Only the number of dead?' 

YUP.

How many dead or even injured in your 'examples'?

 
 
96WS6
6.1.7  96WS6  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.5    5 days ago

SO the truth comes out.  You are OK with left wing violence because you think it doesn't kill as many people.Makes No Sense

 
 
96WS6
6.1.8  96WS6  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.6    5 days ago

see 6.1.7

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.9  Bob Nelson  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.4    5 days ago
So to be clear the number and nature of attacks don't matter.  Only the number of dead?  

Terrorism experts say GOP shooting highlights disturbing rise in left-wing violence

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article156285584.html

You're ducking and weaving...

How many people have died by left-wing violence?

Would you dare compare that with the number of dead from right-wing violence?


The interesting question, which I asked a few days ago, is why is the alt-right trying so hard to gin up left-wing violence, which is essentially nonexistent?

The only plausible explanation I can see is that the right is planning to use deadly violence against the left, and is now trying to prepare the public...

Tell us, 96WS6... is the alt-right preparing an American Kristallnacht?

 
 
96WS6
6.1.10  96WS6  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.9    5 days ago
The only plausible explanation I can see is that the right isplanningto usedeadly violenceagainst the left, and is now trying to prepare the public... Tell us, 96WS6... is the alt-right preparing an AmericanKristallnacht?

If this is true maybe you will have a point.  Until then it is a far out opine.  

Since you seem to want to discuss who causes the most violence, how about explaining why the left in general, seems to ignore Islamic related violence and terrorism which far exceeds all others combined?  

 
 
Texan1211
6.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.10    5 days ago

You know they have absolutely nothing when they are reduced to making Nazi references.

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
6.1.12  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.10    5 days ago
Since you seem to want to discuss who causes the most violence, how about explaining why the left in general, seems to ignore Islamic related violence and terrorism which far exceeds all others combined? 

You know I don't see where violence in the Middle East has anything to do with right wing violence in the United States or, supposed left wing violence in the U.S.,

Liberal America has a political violence problem

The title of your article seems to confirm what I said above so, can you please explain why you went off the rails in your own article?

 
 
96WS6
6.1.13  96WS6  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.12    5 days ago

Islamic violence was brought up because Bob started talking about groups that cause the most overall violence in America.  I also understand EXACTLY why you and Bob don't want to discuss it any further.winking

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
6.1.15  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.14    5 days ago

Do you really want me to continue?

 
 
96WS6
6.1.16  96WS6  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.14    5 days ago

We already went down that road, you must have missed it.  See 2.3   BTW ironic that your MEME echos when Obama was president too with little difference LMAO!

 
 
Tessylo
6.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.8    5 days ago
'see 6.1.7'

Nothing to see there.  Again how many dead or injured?

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
6.1.18  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.16    5 days ago
BTW ironic that your MEME echos when Obama was president too with little difference LMAO!

Right Wing violence goes back over a century, just because Obama was president doesn't mean it ended with his election, in fact it escalated because the alt-Right had a temper tantrum over a "Black man" in "their" White House and, then they got the president they always wanted Donald J. Trump.

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.10    5 days ago
Since you seem to want to discuss who causes the most violence, how about explaining why the left in general, seems to ignore Islamic related violence and terrorism which far exceeds all others combined?

Why do you want to change the subject?

The far right kills opponents. The statistics are perfectly clear. Why do you insist on talking about other groups? If you are genuinely opposed to violence, then you should be hammering the right, not the left, nor Islam (in America, of course).

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.20  Bob Nelson  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.13    5 days ago

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So... three times as many victims of right-wing violence as from Islamic violence.

Why are you covering up murder by your "friends"?

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
6.1.21  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.20    5 days ago

Pointing fingers in the opposite direction isn't going to work. We have been watching this rising Violence from the Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi crowd for 2 years now.

It's real and your deflections cannot change that.

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.22  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @6.1.21    5 days ago

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Sean Treacy
6.1.23  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.20    5 days ago

According to Bob, left wingers don't kill people, and then he provides a picture claiming they do.

Interesting.

The numbers, are of course, bullshit. There's a reason no underlying data is available.  But it's interesting to see Bob admit left wing extremists do kill people rather than falsely claiming they don't per his usual m.o..

 
 
dave-2693993
6.1.24  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.20    5 days ago

I am not sure how the islamic killing statistics fit into this discussion. However, when looking at that statistic what must be considered is that number is generated from, what, 1 - 3% of our population?

To me, that is the most glaring statistic. I am even thinking the date should go back to the first Towers attack.

As far as the extreme left vs extreme right idiots, I think a more detailed breakdown behind those numbers, than provided by the source is warranted.

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
6.1.25  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.23    5 days ago

Marxism slaughtered 94 Million in the 20th century and In 2018 we have a group of radical Marxists wearing ski masks committing acts of violence. It's shameful that someone would ignore the obvious.

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
6.1.26  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.13    5 days ago
Islamic violence was brought up because Bob started talking about groups that cause the most overall violence in America.

When was the last time an Islamic group committed an act of violence in America? Oh yeah, 9/11, the other acts were committed by lone wolves and, an Islamic group took credit for their actions, no real proof that they actually worked for them before the act was committed, however, the rest we can show that they belong to or, wish to belong to alt-Right groups like the KKK or, the Neo-Nazi's or, some militia group that is all American and, white.

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.27  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @6.1.24    5 days ago
 I think a more detailed breakdown behind those numbers, than provided by the source is warranted.

Go for it!

IMHO, twenty-five to one is pretty simple...

 
 
96WS6
6.1.28  96WS6  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.20    5 days ago

Anti defamation league? give me a break.

Information on terrorist attacks and the terrorists themselves in the United States is available from the Global Terrorism Database, the RAND Corporation, and other sources. 

Terrorists murdered 3,342 people on U.S. soil from 1992 through August 12, 2017. Islamist terrorists are responsible for 92% of all those murders. The 9/11 attacks, by themselves, killed about 89% of all the victims during this time. During this time, the chance of being murdered in a terrorist attack committed by an Islamist was about 1 in 2.5 million per year.

Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists are the second deadliest group by ideology, as they account for 6.6% of all terrorist murders during this time. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the second deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history, killed 168 people and accounted for 77% of all the murders committed by Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists. The chance of being murdered in a Nationalist or Right Wing terrorist attack was about 1 in 33 million per year.

Left Wing terrorists killed only 23 people in terrorist attacks during this time, about 0.7% of the total number of murders, but 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed five since then, including Charlottesville. Regardless, the annual chance of being murdered by a Left Wing terrorist was about 1 in 330 million per year.

Terrorists inspired by Nationalist and Right Wing ideology have killed about 10 times as many people as Left Wing terrorists since 1992. Terrorists with unknown or other motivations were the least deadly. Islamists swamped them all.

There is some ambiguity in counting terrorist attacks by ideology, but only with a minority of deaths. Islamists and unknown/other terrorists are easy to categorize. Left Wing terrorists included communists, socialists, animal rights activists, anti-white racists, LGBT extremists, attackers inspired by Black Lives Matter, and ethnic or national separatists who embrace Socialism. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists include white nationalists, neo-Confederates, non-socialist secessionists, anti-communists, fascists, anti-Muslim attackers, anti-immigration extremists, sovereign citizens, bombers who targeted the IRS, militia movements, and abortion clinic bombers.

My terrorism research focuses on deaths committed by terrorists because that is the easiest and the least ambiguous metric to analyze the damage committed by terrorism. Attacks could be as minor as a pipe bomb left by a bulldozer that explodes at 2:30 a.m., or as deadly as the 9/11 attacks that killed 2,983 people and caused billions in property damage, so counting the number of attacks by ideology does not reveal much.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/08/21/which-ideology-has-inspired-the-most-murders-in-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil/#6ecb5cbf1e74

As Dave mentioned this is pretty disturbing when you consider they are 2% of the population. Regardless of who is doing what.  It doesn't make the right wing numbers anymore comforting or any of them for that matter.  The point is the violence is rising and nothing is being done about it.  When violence happens on the right I see it condemn more with the possible exception of Charlottesville which is just as disturbing.  I don't want that to become the trend either.  On the left I have seen an even more disturbing trend of people CONDONING it and this is what the article is about.  Let's face it.  Water's and similar remarks ENCOURAGE it.  Why be in such a hurry overtake the Right wing nut jobs?

 
 
Tessylo
6.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.17    5 days ago

I see 0 dead.  Some injuries.  

 
 
96WS6
6.1.30  96WS6  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.29    5 days ago

Keep dwelling on the past and keep ignoring what is happening in the present and you will overtake the kills the Right wing nut jobs have very quickly.

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.31  Bob Nelson  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.28    5 days ago

The 9/11 attacks were not "domestic terrorism". Opening the "international terrorism" can of worms cannot be helpful here. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. American drones blow up civilians all around the world every day, leading many non-Americans to consider the USA to be a "terrorist nation".

International terrorism is a different topic.

The worst modern domestic terrorist attack, by far, was OKC. Right-wing violence.

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
6.1.32  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.31    5 days ago

Terrorism argument doesn't apply here. I certainly agree. (back to the topic now)

There is however a violent revolutionary Marxist group committing escalating acts of violence since 2016.

Is their violence Justified?

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.33  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @6.1.32    5 days ago
Is their violence Justified?

What are your criteria?

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
6.1.34  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.33    5 days ago

If a group of Trump supporters marches in Berkeley and an Antifa member hits one of them in the head with a bike lock, is it justified?

 
 
dave-2693993
6.1.35  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.27    5 days ago
IMHO, twenty-five to one is pretty simple...

Here is an example why some numbers may not be as straight forward as presented.

Another poster presented a list of right wing extremist violence. I picked 1 to look a little deeper into. In Philly some years back a son vs Mom domestic situation escalated. The Mom called police and informed the 911 dispatcher that her son had guns.

The dispatcher did not warn the police officers about the guns.

Police arrive and the son shoots and kills 3 police officers.

Later during the investigation it was determined the son had connections to extremist right wing nut case web sites.

This was categorized as an act of right wing violence rather than domestic violence in the list.

I am sure of all the thousands of people murdered every year, similar correlations could be drawn for murderers on both sides of the political isle.

I don't have time to research the specifics of each of the thousands of murders, but that was the background behind the first example I grabbed.

 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1.36  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @6.1.34    5 days ago

Heather_Heyer.pngDunno.

I don't know either the perp or the vic. Or the context. Or the consequences.

 
 
Tessylo
6.1.37  Tessylo  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.30    5 days ago
'Keep dwelling on the past and keep ignoring what is happening in the present and you will overtake the kills the Right wing nut jobs have very quickly.'

I'm not dwelling in the past.  I'm here in the present.  

I will overtake the kills the RWNJs have very quickly?

At least you admit that the RWNJs kill and the Left has never killed anyone.

The RWNJs keep threatening violence all the time on the left.  I don't see the Left doing that AT ALL.  

 
 
Skrekk
6.1.38  Skrekk  replied to  96WS6 @6.1.28    5 days ago
Anti defamation league? give me a break.

I'm not surprised that they upset you.

 
 
Skrekk
6.1.39  Skrekk  replied to  dave-2693993 @6.1.24    5 days ago
I am not sure how the islamic killing statistics fit into this discussion.

Given that they also tend to be far right wing extremists I think it fits in very well.

 
 
dave-2693993
6.1.40  dave-2693993  replied to  Skrekk @6.1.39    4 days ago
I am not sure how the islamic killing statistics fit into this discussion.
Given that they also tend to be far right wing extremists I think it fits in very well.

They certainly extreme in one direction or another, but I think in another space/time/dimension.

 
 
Sean Treacy
7  Sean Treacy    5 days ago

Fascism on the march....

Mob engages in racist attack on Congressman's wife..

https://freebeacon.com/politics/progressive-protesters-shout-down-gop-rep-wife-shame-mexican-wife/

 
 
96WS6
7.1  96WS6  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    5 days ago

...and the real irony here is that they always show where the true racism lies.

Progressive Protesters Shout Down GOP Rep, His Wife: ‘Shame on Your Mexican Wife’

 
 
Sparty On
8  Sparty On    5 days ago

Attempting to illustrate one groups level of violence, as somehow worse than another groups level of violence, is absolutely asinine.     All violence is bad, be it physical, psychological and/or verbal.

Trying to defend the actions of groups like antifa, as somehow justified, is a fools errand.    Only a matter of time before one of those little dumbasses kills or get killed.   Then the other surviving dumbasses will go nuts over that little dumbass and do more stupid shit.

MLK Jr is rolling around in his grave.

 
 
Silent_Hysteria
9  Silent_Hysteria    5 days ago

In addition.  The "bike lock" professor who assaulted 7 people with a bike lock in a sock... got zero time in jail.  Can you imagine if a right winger went around doing that the outcry there would be.

the left is blatant with their double standards.  You can assault someone if your left wing and it's ok, but words are violence that should end your life.  It's ok to be racist towards white people because "reasons".  And rape jokes are never funny unless you joke about raping toddlers.  Your star should be removed from the walk of fame unless you are a left wing person and rape kids because "reasons" again.  

 
 
96WS6
9.1  96WS6  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @9    5 days ago

That guy really didn't get jail time?

 
 
lib50
9.1.1  lib50  replied to  96WS6 @9.1    4 days ago
That guy really didn't get jail time?

Well he's WHITE, what the hell did you think would happen? And you are disappointed in that?  I think justice should be color blind (it's not), but your side should be celebrating another white guy living the privlege! 

 
 
96WS6
9.1.2  96WS6  replied to  lib50 @9.1.1    3 days ago

Your're the one who just threw race in the mix.  Look in the mirror.  I think he belongs in jail.

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
10  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη    5 days ago

Some Democrats sympathize with the violence of the Communist revolutionary Antifa. They think it's justified because everyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi. The Irony supporting a coercive Fascist goon squad is amazing.

I read their posts on Reddit, it's your typical Revolutionary Che Guevara, Lenin worship bullshit.

Newsflash, if your Marxist dreams became reality the goons aren't relinquishing control to Crony Academia socialist or any of the Petty bourgious Socialists. Marxism is always controlled by the most violent among the horde.

The current state of political violence cannot and should not be justified. It cannot be justified if we are to have a civilized society.

 
 
Sparty On
10.1  Sparty On  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @10    5 days ago
The Irony supporting a coercive Fascist goon squad is amazing.

I know ..... its the old "the ends justify the means" gambit.

Most of them are too partisan and/or just too plain stupid to make the connection ....

 
 
Bob Nelson
10.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @10    5 days ago

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badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
10.2.1  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.2    5 days ago

Do you support Antifa's violence Bob? 

Is it justified?

 
 
Bob Nelson
10.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @10.2.1    5 days ago

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badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
10.2.3  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.2.2    5 days ago

Is Antifa violence justified Bob?

 
 
Bob Nelson
10.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @10.2.3    5 days ago

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Galen Marvin Ross
10.2.5  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @10.2.3    5 days ago
Is Antifa violence justified Bob?

Does violence by one group justify violence from another group BF?

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
10.2.6  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @10.2.5    5 days ago

It depends. If you are walking down the street and someone attacks you, then yes it is moral to defend yourself.

If you are walking down the street and you think someone might attack you so you initiate violence then it is immoral.

 
 
96WS6
10.2.7  96WS6  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @10.2.3    5 days ago

You know you won the debate when all they have left is hurling insults and/or insinuating racism.winking  Some seem to do it EVERY TIME!

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
10.2.8  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  96WS6 @10.2.7    5 days ago

There is a topic and I am sticking to it. I am not offering derails or deflections to avoid it.

 
 
lib50
10.2.9  lib50  replied to  96WS6 @10.2.7    4 days ago
You know you won the debate when all they have left is hurling insults and/or insinuating racism

Well some of us are wondering why you are upset another white guy got his 'get out of jail free' card!  WTF do you expect when the white guys get off easy?!  Kind of makes the case for racism in our justice system!

 
 
96WS6
10.2.10  96WS6  replied to  lib50 @10.2.9    3 days ago

I am upset when anyone gets away with a crime.  What's your point?

 
 
lib50
10.2.11  lib50  replied to  96WS6 @10.2.10    3 days ago

My point is that this guy's sentence epitomizes the difference in white justice and black justice in our system.  Trump and gop continue to bitch about kneeling and other peaceful forms of protest.  Try to let it sink in.  I'm for the same justice for everybody,  I only gave an example of white privilege.  This happens class-wise as well.  Rich justice and poor justice.  If conservatives are finally noticing a difference, that's the damn point.

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
11  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη    5 days ago

Let's play Name that murderous despot?

“there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”

 
 
XDm9mm
11.1  XDm9mm  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @11    5 days ago
there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”

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reduced to no value in light of the apology

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
11.1.1  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  XDm9mm @11.1    5 days ago

I despise the vile ideology of Karl Marx, I am a supporter of a voluntary society, free from coercion. I believe the initiation of violence to be immoral.

That is why I find groups like Antifa to be disgusting.  Sympathizing with them on any level is abhorrent. Visit their boards on Reddit, you will learn that they are supporters of a violent communist revolution. The social justice cause is nothing more than a recruiting tool for millennials.

 
 
Silent_Hysteria
11.1.2  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @11.1.1    5 days ago

I visited their board once when they were gleefully planning out the day of the rope as they called it.  When they got to hang landlords and anyone they deem not communist.  Why they aren't blocked from places online I don't get.  Places they say they don't tolerate hate that is

 
 
XDm9mm
11.2  XDm9mm  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @11    5 days ago

My APOLOGIES....

I had a mental fart and believed for some reason you were another who is an avowed socialist.

My bad and again, my apologies.

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
11.2.1  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  XDm9mm @11.2    5 days ago

When we did the political quiz a few months ago, my charting showed I was the furthest away from Authoritarian based on my answers.

It's an honor to be a free fish!

 
 
JBB
12  JBB    5 days ago

The Neo-Nazis, Skin Heads, White Supremacists and other racist fascist bigoted aholes want to instigate violence in order to claim victim status so they can justify their own calls to violence...

Do not fall for the gop's false grace. What is really happening now is plain for everyone to see.

It is a far right coalition of neo-fascists in American politics who are trying to incite a race war...

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.1  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  JBB @12    5 days ago

"Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. It is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding; it seeks to annihilate rather than to convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends by destroying itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers."

--Martin Luther King, Jr.

 
 
JBB
12.1.1  JBB  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1    5 days ago

"The arc of a moral universe is long but it bends towards justice" - M L King Jr...

Doctor King advocated peaceful means to achieve his goals.  Passive Resistance.

What did he get for this? Headshot by a right winger trying to start a race war...

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.1.2  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  JBB @12.1.1    5 days ago

Advocating for Violence or justifying violence is immoral despite that tragedy. His words are still with us today and he was 100% right.

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
12.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.2    5 days ago
His words are still with us today and he was 100% right.

Try to get the right wing and alt-right to admit that. All they see when black men kneel peacefully in protest are targets for their hate and ignorant vitriol.

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1    5 days ago

"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."

        -- Barry Goldwater

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.1.5  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.1.4    5 days ago

"I did not join the resistance movement to kill people, to kill the nation. Look at me now. Am i a savage person? My conscience is clear."--Pol Pot

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.5    5 days ago
Its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. -- Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens, March 1861
 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.1.7  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.1.6    5 days ago

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist. The true antidote to racism is liberty.

-Ron Paul

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.1.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.7    5 days ago
“Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.”
Groucho Marx
 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.1.9  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.1.8    5 days ago

Gratitude is a sickness suffered by dogs - Joseph Stalin

 
 
epistte
12.1.10  epistte  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.7    5 days ago
-Ron Paul

Ron and Rand Paul are still trying to fight the Civil war and racial equality, under their libertarian guise of "states rights".

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/395176-ron-paul-tweets-racist-cartoon-faces-backlash

 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.9    5 days ago

Death is the sound of distant thunder at a picnic...

Did I win?

Actually, I am not kidding.. think about that for a while. 

 
 
JohnRussell
12.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.11    5 days ago

Who said it? 

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.1.13  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.11    5 days ago

“He who is unfit to serve his fellow citizens wants to rule them.” ----Ludwig von Mises

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.1.14  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.9    5 days ago

It isn't premarital sex if you have no intention of getting married.
  - George Burns

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.1.15  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.1.14    5 days ago

What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.---Adolf Hitler

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.1.16  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.15    5 days ago

Do you know lots of Hiter's work?

 
 
JohnRussell
12.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.15    5 days ago

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" 

Middle eastern hippie peacenik

33 A.D. 

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.1.18  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.1.16    5 days ago

Not so much but that quote. I am very familiar with Karl Marx, Fredrick Engels and PJ Proudhon though. I bet we've read some of the same books.

There can be neither today without yesterday nor tomorrow without today.---Kim Jong -Un

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.1.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.18    5 days ago
There can be neither today without yesterday nor tomorrow without today.---Kim Jong -Un

Spiritual !

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.1.20  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.1.19    5 days ago

I voted for you during your last election---Mao Zedong

Now that one is funny!

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.1.21  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.1.20    5 days ago

I kinda sorta think that's maybe apocryphal... thinking  ... but funny...

 
 
r.t..b...
12.1.22  r.t..b...  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.1.21    5 days ago

A favorite of a still missed mentor...

"The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking."  ~A.A. Milne
 

 
 
JBB
12.1.23  JBB  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.22    4 days ago

Confucius say, "Man who goes to bed with itchy butt wakes up with stinky finger" /S...

 
 
r.t..b...
12.2  r.t..b...  replied to  JBB @12    5 days ago
neo-fascists in American politics who are trying to incite a race war...

The violent racist fringe has always been an unfortunate part of our social landscape, but had always cowardly lurked in the shadows with little political clout.  It has sadly become a vocal part of the current political landscape, tacitly exploited by none other than our sitting president. Helter Skelter...

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.2.1  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  r.t..b... @12.2    5 days ago

What we have here is a lack of rational conversation taking place nationally. It's just plain lazy to label everyone that you disagree with as a Nazi or racist. It's being done to avoid civil conversation. I cannot explain why i disagree with you so you are a this or that!

 
 
JBB
12.2.2  JBB  replied to  r.t..b... @12.2    5 days ago
 It has sadly become a vocal part of the current political landscape, tacitly exploited by none other than our sitting president. Helter Skelter...

Indubitably...

 
 
r.t..b...
12.2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.2.1    5 days ago
It's just plain lazy to label everyone that you disagree with as a Nazi or racist.

I agree with that, Fish. Didn't intend to label in any way, more of a commentary on the situation. There are racists among us and it is dangerous that they feel emboldened to crawl out from under their rock. Disagreement and discourse are vital to a healthy, growing society but there is precious little of that as the shouting is all we hear.

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
12.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  r.t..b... @12.2    5 days ago
The violent racist fringe has always been an unfortunate part of our social landscape, but had always cowardly lurked in the shadows with little political clout.

The last time they had real political clout was the late 1950's which was really just a hold over from the civil war. The racists hid in the shadows after the 1964 civil rights act and 1965 voting rights act were passed and over the next 25 years changed parties while few were watching. Those confederate descendants steeped in racial prejudice didn't move out of the South, they evolved from racist conservative Christian Dixiecrats to racist conservative Christian Republicans. By the time Reagan was elected the process was nearly complete and the South has been a bastion for Republicans ever since. They continue to protect their bigoted monuments to traitors, they still have thousands of KKK members among their ranks, almost all of whom consider themselves devout Christians, they march around with their treasonous confederate flags flying high proclaiming their hate and bigotry to all. The cover Trump has given them has emboldened them and allowed them to come out of the shadows.

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.2.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.2.1    5 days ago
It's just plain lazy to label everyone that you disagree with as a Nazi or racist.

True. Most of these people who are not themselves card-carrying members of either movement.

And yet... these people are doing just that: excusing and/or justifying the actions of neo-Nazis and White-supremacists.

So... what do we consider important? Whether a person has a party card... or that the person gives aid and comfort to neo-Nazis and White-supremacists?

It seems to me that the essential fact is that these people are giving aid and comfort to neo-Nazis and White-supremacists.

Perhaps we should label them fellow-travelers...

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
12.2.6  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.2.5    5 days ago

Who are the Neo Nazis Bob? Are the Trump supporters that had a prayer march in Portland Neo Nazis? How do you spot the Neo Nazi?

 
 
Jack_TX
12.2.7  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.2.5    5 days ago
or that the person gives aid and comfort to neo-Nazis and White-supremacists?

There is a difference between "giving aid" and acknowledging that even neo-Nazis have certain Constitutional rights.

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.2.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @12.2.6    5 days ago

images2.jpgIt's hard, so very, very hard....

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.2.9  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @12.2.7    5 days ago

... even neo-Nazis have certain Constitutional rights.

Of course they do. As does Heather Heyer. Oh wait... that should be past tense, "she had"...

 
 
Jack_TX
12.2.10  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.2.9    5 days ago
As does Heather Heyer. Oh wait... that should be past tense, "she had"...

She still would have them if she and her friends had been more intelligent.

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.2.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @12.2.10    5 days ago

A murder victim is responsible for the murder...

Interesting point of view...

Or perhaps you mean that anyone who speaks up against... those who are closer to your ways of thinking... should expect violent death?

 
 
r.t..b...
12.2.12  r.t..b...  replied to  Jack_TX @12.2.10    4 days ago
if she and her friends had been more intelligent.

Let's allow that to soak in a minute....

....simply preposterous

 
 
Jack_TX
12.2.13  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.2.11    4 days ago
A murder victim is responsible for the murder...

Or...without the melodrama... everyone is responsible for their own actions.  That includes actions where people put themselves in harm's way....in this case needlessly.

Or perhaps you mean that anyone who speaks up against... those who are closer to your ways of thinking... should expect violent death?

Ah.  More melodrama.  You do like to vilify anyone who sees things differently, don't you?  

 
 
Jack_TX
12.2.14  Jack_TX  replied to  r.t..b... @12.2.12    4 days ago
Let's allow that to soak in a minute....

....simply preposterous

So...let's look at the facts, here, shall we?

32-year-old female.  No military or law enforcement experience.  Not even collegiate athletic experience.  Works in an office as a paralegal.  Not particularly large or fit.

This woman learns that a group of angry, violent, militant nutjobs have come to her city from all over the country to "march around a statue".  Their particular type of "marching" apparently requires clubs, shields, and pepper spray.   I.e. they're clearly looking for a fight.

Now....at the end of their "march"....the statue is still coming down.  Because we're a nation of laws.  So the best case scenario for these whack jobs is "kickin' hippies asses and raisin' hell", as the song goes.

Given this situation, our 32-year-old female has several options.

1.  Go to the mall.  Or have coffee with friends.  Or do something else enjoyable and ignore these idiots, then celebrate the removal of said statue after they're gone.

2.  Go to the counter-protest....scheduled and permitted for an entirely different location....STAY in that designated location....and celebrate diversity, condemn racism, shout "black lives matter" until she's hoarse, and have a fun day with her amazing liberal friends doing amazing liberal things.

3.  Go watch the Nazis make idiots of themselves and take video while they break the law...because you know they're going to....and then let trained law enforcement handle it.  Because they're trained.  And armed.  And trained.  And usually bring really big men who work out all the time.  Who are trained.  And armed.  And not to be fucked with.

4.  Go along with a bunch of her soft as cotton angry liberal friends and start a fight with 200 armed male nutcases who absolutely cannot wait to get stuck in, while attempting to interfere with their Constitutional rights, thus proving herself as stupid as those she opposes.

Now...did she deserve what happened?  Of course not.  But pretending her decisions did not contribute to her demise is both idiotic and inaccurate.

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.2.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @12.2.14    4 days ago

So... you use 300+ words saying that Heather was asking to die if she defied neo-Nazis and White-supremacists... and then tack on:

Now...did she deserve what happened?  Of course not.

... to compensate.

And to close, you add a sentence that sounds oh-so-reasonable:

But pretending her decisions did not contribute to her demise is both idiotic and inaccurate.

If Heather Heyer (that's her name, rather than a banalizing "our 32-year-old female") had not gotten out of bed that morning, she would not have died.

Nothing that Heather Heyer did that day carries a death penalty.

 
 
Jack_TX
12.2.16  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.2.15    4 days ago
So... you use 300+ words saying that Heather was asking to die if she defied neo-Nazis and White-supremacists.

More melodrama, now combined with a heavy dose of misrepresentation.  Quite a cocktail.

If she were a Christian missionary who decided to preach on a street corner in Islamabad and was then murdered by Islamic fundamentalists, you would not hesitate to say that her actions increased her chances of a premature death.

If a KKK member decides to robe up and "counter protest" a BLM march, gets into a melee and then dies from his injuries, he has contributed to his own demise through his own stupidity.

Nothing that Heather Heyer did that day carries a death penalty.

Neither does stealing money from the Sinaloa Cartel.  Neither does hand feeding a school of bull sharks off the Florida Keys.  Neither does driving a car down a mountain road at 130mph after a 5th of Jim Bean and 4 hydrocodone tablets.  

Nothing Tim Treadwell did carried a death penalty.   Nothing Heath Ledger did carried a death penalty.  Nothing Chris McCandless did carried a death penalty.  The list of people whose terrible decisions contributed to their demise is long and distinguished.

If this woman were anyone other than a leftist protester, you would not defend her poor judgement.

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.2.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @12.2.16    4 days ago

Good Lord.......

Your comparisons are stunning.

I see no point in continuing. If you aren't embarrassed by this, there's clearly no limit for you.

 
 
Jack_TX
12.2.18  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.2.17    4 days ago
I see no point in continuing.

You seem to do that whenever someone with a non-leftist position is correct.  

Whether you admit it or not, this girl recklessly lost her life over a meaningless cause.  The damn statue was coming down anyway, and nothing the Nazi's were going to do could stop that. 

But pretending anybody actually gave a shit about the statue in the first place is ridiculous.  What people on both sides of this fight cared about most in the world was their hatred of the other side.

 
 
Bob Nelson
12.2.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @12.2.18    4 days ago

... blaming the victim...

You've spent this entire exchange explaining why Heather Heyer - whom you have insisted on depersonalizing by never using her name - is responsible for her own death.

And never, ever recognizing that she was murdered by a neo-Nazi named James Alex Fields, who willfully drove his car into a crowd, killing Heather and injuring 35.

Why is the alt-right so determined to not condemn neo-Nazi violence?

 
 
Jack_TX
12.2.20  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.2.19    3 days ago
blaming the victim...

Ahh.  We've reached the point where you have no logical challenge for my point, but emotionally you can't bring yourself to concede, so you roll out the leftist catchphrases.  

You've spent this entire exchange explaining why Heather Heyer - whom you have insisted on depersonalizing by never using her name - is responsible for her own death.

You have spent this entire exchange intentionally misrepresenting my statements.

And never, ever recognizing that she was murdered by a neo-Nazinamed James Alex Fields, who willfully drove his car into a crowd, killing Heather and injuring 35.

I do not feel the need to state the obvious unless someone is pretending it isn't true.  To my knowledge, there has been no challenge to this set of facts.  Out of curiosity, are there other undisputed things you demand I confirm?  The sun is hot.  Water is wet.  Donald Trump is an asshole.  Anything else?    

Why is the alt-right so determined to not condemn neo-Nazi violence?

*eyeroll*  Riiiiiight.  So anyone who fails to accept your hyper-emotional, nonsensical leftist assertions must be "alt right".   Sure sign you have no logical counter to their point.  Again, the demand is curious.  Why do you feel the need for me to state these obvious things, when you so vehemently deny others?

In your cloud of cliche and name calling, you must have missed my repeated comparison of these neo Nazi maggots with mindless violent animals (bull sharks, grizzly bears, etc). 

Why is it that you have such difficulty with the idea that human beings can make decisions that either increase or decrease their risks?  This is irrefutable.  Why do you object to it so doggedly?

 
 
96WS6
12.3  96WS6  replied to  JBB @12    5 days ago

Thank you for unwittingly proving the article's point.

 
 
lib50
12.3.1  lib50  replied to  96WS6 @12.3    4 days ago
Thank you for unwittingly proving the article's point.

Actually this article kind of makes the point that America has a racist justice system, just as the NFL players say.  Once again, why the hell are you pissed and surprised the white guy got off easier?  You are so upset this guy got probation, which is what a white perp is more likely to get than a black one.  So this article outs the white privilege.

 
 
96WS6
12.3.2  96WS6  replied to  lib50 @12.3.1    3 days ago

I am not really sure what it has to do with a racist justice system or why you think I would condone it.  Is the new tactic insinuating racism before we even start a discussion?  Are you that certain you will lose?

 
 
lib50
12.3.3  lib50  replied to  96WS6 @12.3.2    3 days ago

Do you not get what I'm saying?  Evidently not.  I was being sarcastic that you would like his sentence, but that sarc didn't negate the very real example of a difference in justice when the perp is white.  Understand that you can't have a conversation about things with a narrow parameter, it includes a wider perspective.  I can't look at an issue and just talk about one thread, its all connected to the technicolor coat.

 
 
Kathleen/Butterfie
13  Kathleen/Butterfie    3 days ago

It looks like there is violence on both sides.

 
 
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