Native American Vietnam Veteran Speaks Out After MAGA Hat-Wearing Teens Harass Him
Congresswoman Deb Haaland called the students’ behavior a show of “blatant hate.”
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A group of teens wearing “Make America Great Again” hats harassed a Native American Vietnam War veteran during Friday’s first Indigenous Peoples March. Now the Native American elder is speaking out about the ordeal.
Video posted online captures the unsettling incident in Washington, D.C., after a group of teens surrounds Nathan Phillips, mocking and harassing him as he sang the American Indian Movement song on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Phillips served in the Vietnam War and is the former director of the Native Youth Alliance, according to Indian Country Today.
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Nothing like trying to tar all Republicans with the same hateful brush to match your worldview is there? That's the progressive leftist liberal Democrat way...
Doesn't take much to cover the trump republicans with racist paint That's the rightist conservative way
Then, maybe you and your fellow rightwingers should stop defending these proto-fascist creeps and, worse, doing so by atttacking the victim.
Please be so kind as to state or show here where I in any way stated or said I defended or supported any said proto-facsist creeps from attacking anybody. And please be specific for all here...
What a surprise, no answer. Not like I really expected any though...
Snark doesn't become you Ed.
I thought I was being fairly polite under the circumstances. However, if you really want to see snarky, scroll back up to post #1.1.2...
Or maybe it went like this:
Step 1. Aggressively approach kids singing a school sing waiting for a bus to go back to their hotel. Start beating a drum inches from their face. Call them faggots, crackers, school shooters, etc... Mock a black teenager for hanging out out with white kids etc. Tell white kids to leave the country and go back to Europe. (Usual left wing, racist hate tactics)
Step 2. Claim kids are harassing man (even if video evidence man aggressively approaching singing group and doesn't contain evidence of kids harassing man )
Step 3. Get friendly media to uncritically report man's version of events on national media
Step 3. Incite a left wing internet mob to destroy the kids lives.
It's left wing activism in 2019.
Funny what alternate videos and actual reporting that talks to both sides show.
Then spank 'em up, sweet boy. I'll wait.
who don't luv em a good ole Sonday mournin spankin
But it DIDN'T.
It's neo-nationalist revisionism in 2019.
Funny that you offered NO alternative videos or reporting, just proclamations...
Yet you disproved absolutely nothing
Bingo. The rest is just fake news again.
The above tweet shows a video of what actually happened. And, it was video by someone supporting the drummer, Nathan Phillips, who claims to be a former Marine. His lack of honor by lying about the kids and their actions would definitely have my mother and father classing him as the same a John Murtha: an EX-Marine. My father served in Vietnam and was wounded. He got a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart, and left the Marines as a Captain in the early 1980's. My mother left the Marines as a Lieutenant before I was born on the Marine Base in Quantico, VA.
You should write fairy tales for a living, Sean.
Such bullshit
We appreciate that you acknowledged this work of fiction up front.
Can't wait for the denunciations of the left wing protesters throwing around gay slurs... Wonder why that wasn't reported even though they are clearly audible?
So you have some white kid wearing a Trump hat just standing there, he is harassing them and is a racist. You have a black guy preaching that he is native American and the reason native Americans lost their land was because they didn't accept the one true god Muhamad. Alrighty then.
So then why is the school agreeing with the events as reported by the press.
Try again Sean. You can see and hear those kids mocking the old man. It on all the uncut video.
So we agree the man initiated the confonration by marching across the square beating his drum and started beating his drum in the faces of the group of kids singing school songs.
We agree the left wingers were shouting slurs at kids.
But you claim "you see and hear those kids mocking the old man". Can you point out where and what specifically is said on video?
Provoking a reaction and turning yourself into a victim is how you "win" these days. The old man is clearly a savvy protesters and knows what's he doing. He accomplished his goal. Look at how you all react.
But by all means, walk outside with a drum and start beating into the face of the first group of teenage boys you find. Have some friends insult them as you do. See what kind of reaction you get. I'd bet the teenagers wouldn't be as restrained as this group.
Why are teenage kids held to a higher standard than adults?
So then why is the school agreeing with the events as reported by the press.
I'm reading on book on the Soviet terror. Why did innocent people admit to committing horrible crimes and denounce their friends and family members of doing the same thing? It's human nature to take easy way out
When a billion dollar industry decides to destroy you, it's easier to grovel an apology and hope the outrage machine moves on then to fight it out. Same reason people plead guilty to crimes they didn't commit. Sometimes the process of proving your innocence is more painful than simply admitting guilt.
Sean, the NYT has unedited video of what happened. It is clear that the kids started with the old man.
From NBC News:
A Catholic archdiocese outside Cincinnati is investigating the actions of some of its high school students during the Indigenous Peoples March in Washington Friday.
Some students wearing Make America Great Again hats and clothing surrounded and taunted a Native American troupe as it performed the "American Indian Movement" song about strength and courage. It's not clear which of those young people surrounding the Native Americans are students of Covington Catholic High School in Covington, Kentucky.
But the Diocese of Covington criticized any students who participated in the action, which broke out as a group from the school was in Washington for the anti-abortion event March for Life.
Its statement, forwarded by archdiocese spokeswoman Laura Keener, singled out Native American leader Nathan Phillips, a Vietnam War veteran and Omaha elder. In social media videos of the incident Phillips can be seen singing as a male taunts him smilingly and gets close to his face.
The male was not identified.
"We condemn the actions of the Covington Catholic High School students towards Nathan Phillips specifically, and Native Americans in general, Jan. 18, after the March for Life, in Washington, D.C.," the archdiocese's statement reads. "We extend our deepest apologies to Mr. Phillips. This behavior is opposed to the Church’s teachings on the dignity and respect of the human person."
The archdiocese said the matter was under investigation and students could be expelled.
During the incident some young people surrounded Native Americans and others started to jump and chant. One young person is heard saying during the Native Americans' song, "This is deep."
Phillips told NBC News that some of the young people surrounding him chanted support for President Trump's proposal to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.
"Chants of 'Build the wall' and other things that were even worse," he said as he stood in the rain in Washington. "They were brought up to believe I’m less than human."
The elder said he's getting hateful phone calls and is afraid to answer his phone in the wake of the incident, which came nearly a week after Trump mocked U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren's claim to Native American ancestry.
"I’m still trying to process it," Phillips said. "Who they were, who those young folks were, where they came from and who’s bringing them up. Where were the chaperones? How did this come to take this point ... ?"
"It’s gonna take us all to come together," he added. "I’m about prayer, but then you have to have some action to go with it."
So let me get this straight. The school agrees that something happened and is taking action, but you think this is propaganda. Sorry, that is not the way it looks to even school officials
Some people are as dense as a door knob. You're wasting your time.
Perrie,
You and the New York TYimes, are basing your version on the original one minute clip. Longer unedited clips have come out. You can cling to outdated sources, but a fuller picture paints a different story. Again, where is your unedited video are the kids shouting slurs at the old man?
Great Again hats and clothing surrounded and taunted a Native American troupe
This is a lie based on the original clip you are relying on.
The unedited clips show the old man walking across the square and initiating the confrontation. He walked into the group beating his drum into the faces of kids to make them move.
Perrie, answer this honestly, if a group of MEN in Maga Hats crossed a public square and started aggressively beating a drum in the faces of Indian teenagers while telling them to get out of the country, calling them homosexuals etc.., would you blame the MAGA wearing adults or the Indian kids?
The school agrees that something happened and is taking action, but you think this is propaganda.
No. I believe the school panicked and issued a statement to protect itself in the hear of the moment.
After it actually starts looking at evidence, I doubt anything will happen to the kids. Of course, that won't be reported. The protesters got their headline, the investigation and truth about what happened is beside the point.
Some people need their comfortable little narratives to support their bigotries. Private school white kids bad! Natives good! Can't get more simple minded than that. It makes it easy to project their hatred and misery at a smirking kid while ignoring adults hurling slurs at kids.
If trying to dig deeper than a short video put out out by a professional protester makes you scared, I can't help it. The truth is more complicated than your simple little narrative.
Sean,
First of all, there are many unedit versions of this and it shows the same thing. If you have a version that shows something different, then post it. There is no such thing as an outdated source. All the sources are from the same time. I never said that they were shouting slurs but rather that they were making mock chants.
I have seen not one but about 3 of these videos and the kids are all being totally confrontational. When you get into someone's personal space and smirk at them you are looking for a fight. How you can excuse that is amazing to me.
That is your belief. This is a wait and see, and I personally believe that there will be an outcome will be known. I will make sure that I keep an eye out on this.
Wait Sean, are you getting into identity politics? Really?
It's an old man, a veteran who happens to be Indian. These kids were supposed to be there for the right to life protest and decided that this would be more fun.
Sometimes things are exactly the way that they look.
I've already posted the video of the Indian group crossing the square to confront the kids singing their school songs. The unedited videos prove your claim that the teens surrounded the old man are false. He pushed his way into the group while beating the drum.
When you get into someone's personal space
Bingo! The old man walked across the square and got into the faces of the teens! You can't dispute that. The old man invaded the teens personal space and what's more was aggressively beating a drum when he did so.
The whole point was to cause the teens to react. He was provoking them!
Ah, so if a group of hooded KKK members were approached by a black American, it would be fine if they assaulted him or hurled insults and racist slurs at him because he approached them and by his very presence "provoked" them?
And how exactly did he switch from beating his drum to "aggressively beating a drum"? I saw no change in rhythm or intensity. Seems more like someone is reading into this what they want to see, which is a finding any defense for a group of white male shits harassing a native American Vietnam Veteran.
I've seen your spiced together video ( and the guy even says it's spliced together). All you see is that he walked over. There was nothing aggressive about it. If you knew anything about Indian culture you would know that this is done. How is that getting in the teens' face? And how can drum beating be aggressive? This is really reaching. One old man, a veteran yet, playing a drum vs a gang of kids with attitudes.
Can you provide any video evidence of that? Last I checked, smirking (the only behavior caught on tape) is not assault.
witch from beating his drum to "aggressively beating a drum"
Um.. Invading someone's personal space and beating a drum inches from them is aggressive behavior. Ordo you think it normal for adults to apprach kids and start beating a drum inches from them.
Now YOU"RE conflating what the Native Americans and the Black Israelites did. How is that an 'honest' question?
Really? It's normal behavior for Indian adults to approach strange groups of kids and beat a drum in their face? Can you provide proof of that?
How is that getting in the teens' face? And how can drum beating be aggressive
Okay Perrie. Get a group of friends and start approaching random kids. Get right in their faces and beat drums and tell them to go back to whatever country appears to be their motherland. For instance, if you see a group of Hispanic teenagers, get as close as you can while drumming and tell them to go back to Mexico. Have your friends tell the kids they look like the product of sodomy.
Is that normal behavior for you? How would you feel if someone did that to your kids?
No, it's not. It's looking for an altercation though. It is aggressive in nature.
The old man is beating a drum. What do you find aggressive about that? And if you knew anything about Indian culture, you would know that walking around with your instruments is part of that. When I invited the local tribe to my daughters' 1st grade class, they did the same thing, except the kids enjoyed it. And what about all the other kids in the other videos mocking the old man with fake Indian chants. Did they feel threatened to, from yards away? Was that an appropriate reaction to this old man. Was he really that scary? Please....
So two groups were going at each other and the answer is to attack the man that tried to diffuse the situation?
"Chants of 'Build the wall' and other things that were even worse,"
Didn't happen. I've seen the videos of this incident and have yet to find one in which the students acted disrespectful or in which anyone chanted, “Build the wall.” If such video existed I believe it would be played endlessly on CNN and MSNBC, which leads me to believe it doesn’t exist.
roups were going at each other and the answer is to attack the man that tried to diffuse the situation
Can you please point out a video of anyone attacking the man?
He goes over, beats a drum in the face of KIDS, while his friend says "white people go back to Europe. This is not your land."
There were a number of camera men following the man when he walked into the group of kids. Yet, the only racist statement and slurs caught on tape are directed at the kids. By all means, point me to objective evidence of the kids "attacking" the man.
I'm curious how you think approaching a group of kids and beating a drum an inch from one of their faces "diffuses a situation." To me, that's behavior explicitly designed to provoke a reaction (especially given the trail of cameras he brought with him)
Some people need their comfortable little narratives to support their bigotries.
Yet the right continually does this. Just look at the comments made from the right and will discover that they are past masters of this
No. I'm just curious as to the rationale why liberals don't appear bothered by racist and homophobic remarks by adults and instead fix their hatred on a kid smirking. If you can provide a rationale why, I'd be glad to hear it.
These kids were supposed to be there for the right to life protest and decided that this would be more fun.
No, they were told to there to wait for the bus to pick them up. They were standing around when some protesters saw an opportunity to go viral and and created a confrontation out of thin air.
Sometimes things are exactly the way that they look.
Really Perrie? You cited a source claiming the kids surrounded an old man and taunted him. In fact, the old man went into the group of kids and the only actual slurs caught on tape are directed at the kids, despite the old man's group having numerous cameras with them when they created the confrontation.
Your biases are blinding you. In no other situation would you defend adults treating kids like this.
It's appalling how they will stretch, spin, and twist the actual malevolent, nasty behavior of racist teens and adults who think they can behave badly 'cause they wear MAGA hats. Utterly disgusting !
trump has thrown open a Pandora's box of hatred and haters feel free to let their hate flags fly.
You know exactly what I mean. An attack can be verbal.
The redstate article you are posting from is trying to act like the group shouting was the indigenous group when it was not. It is putting out a false narrative trying to claim that the two groups were one. That is not the truth. Ie, it is a lie.
The indigenous man was trying to call for peace between the people.
Every video I have seen has shown the boy getting in front of the man and placing himself in that position.
What's really appalling is how gullible people ignore objective videotape evidence in favor of a narrative that suits their own bigotries.
Attack those kids! Destroy their lives! How dare someone smirk when a stranger approaches them and beats a drum in their face while racist and homophobic remarks are shouted at him! Stupid kid deserves it, daring to wait for a bus near adults!
Where's the tape of the attack? The old man had numerous video devices following him the whole time.
he group shouting was the indigenous group when it was no
The man caught on tape telling them to go back to Europe is with them. Again, if we are going to turn this into a game of deciphering which group of adults were harassing kids with which slurs, the game's already over. Most sane people understand it's not okay for ADULTS to tell KIDS to get out of the country and hurl slurs at them.
It's telling how blase you are about the slurs directed at kids. Just wave it away like it doesn't exist. Why aren't liberals bothered by that? In a principled world, liberals would be upset about those things.
eo I have seen has shown the boy getting in front of the man and placing himself in that position
Show me a single video where the boy and his group approach the Native Americans.
The drummer walks right into the middle of the group and starts banging away. The smirking kid doesn't move, the kids in front scatter from the crazy old man beating a drum in their faces. Watch the videos that show the old man approach the group.
It is obvious the old man approached the kids who were minding their own business in their group and forced his way to the middle of the group. During the video, you hear a man tell the kids to "go back to Europe", and then another throw out homophobic accusations, and saying the kids look as if they are products of sodomy.
It is obvious, that by the old man and his group approaching them, he did so to start controversy and to get a video to go viral. Nowhere in the video do you hear the kids saying anything racist or derogatory. It was all on the old man and the group of blacks.
Here is a video that clearly shows the old man approach and force his way into the group of kids.
Go ahead and keep carrying water for the trumpists. It's nothing new here.
The attack is someone like you attacking the man.
Then direct that ire at the group responsible, which was not the indigenous group. Hell the vid on restate even shows the indigenous group trying to talk to the other group and walking away after getting shouted at. You are still attributing things to them that they did not say.
Yes he did. He moved and positioned himself right in front of him. There is video evidence of him doing it.
I watched your video and it showed no such thing. It showed him next to them then ships to the confrontation.
Just admit there is no evidence of the kids assaulting the drummer who got in their faces. Be honest! It's okay!
Then direct that ire at the group responsible
While I note you keep ignoring the racist go back to Europe slur, the irony here is perfect.
Only in America 2019 can kids waiting for a bus have slurs hurled at them by adults and have those slurs get caught on TAPE, and still be vilified by the media and crazed liberals.
Take a deep breath, step back and realize how batshit crazy this has become. You are defending kids being abused by adults.
I've been looking into this. The overall timeline seems to be that, while awaiting the bus, the group of Catholic students were being, um, confronted (harassed) by a group known as Black Hebrew Israelites. If you are unaware of this group, I would invite you to check this out on YouTube. If you do, it might not seem out of the realm of possibility that these students wouldn't begin to know how to respond to such a group, especially since we are talking about high school students. . The Black Hebrew Israelites (BHI) can be pretty out there.
At some point, Mr. Phillips, perhaps with the best intentions, sees the confrontation, and decides to intervene. Not sure why he chose to go up to the students but maybe it was because they were the larger group. I'm pretty sure he didn't actually know what was going on since he couldn't hear the exchange as he beat his drum and sang. In any case, it was not the boys who approached Mr. Phillips, it was Mr. Phillips who approached the boys.
So, I have to wonder what the boys were thinking at this point. First, there are members of the BHI haranguing them, now a group comes up to them, banging drums and singing. I'm sure they saw and heard them coming. I can't think of a reason they expected Mr. Phillips group to be confrontational. The kids, already pretty excited by the unusual event caused by the BHI, probably were just caught up by the singing and drums, not realizing that Mr. Phillips was confronting them in some manner. What reason would they have to expect that? But, from what I can see in the video, it soon becomes apparent to them. They seem to be confused, and reportedly, some ask what is going on.
Of course, much is made of the image of the smiling kid in the MAGA hat and Mr. Phillips, inches apart. I don't have a clue as to what is going on in the kids head. What I do know is, no matter how much I look at the video, it is Mr. Phillips that approaches the kid and gets in the kid's space, not the other way around. As far as I can tell, the kid doesn't take a step.
I've watched a number of the videos. I've tried to try hearing what the kids are saying. I can't make anything out. You say they made mocking chants but I haven't read or seen anything that said what they were. Perhaps you can help me out with that if you know a source. However, there was one video (in one posted by Sean above) that apparently happened after Mr. Phillips left. In it, BHI was calling out President Trump or the government or something for allowing homosexuals rights. You can clearly hear one the students reply that homosexuals are people, too. However, I was able to hear several comments directed at the kids that were less than appropriate.
My point is not that these kids are faultless. It is that there's a lot more to this than the two minute video that everyone is focusing on. To this point, the only reason I have for believing the kids were mocking Mr. Phillips is that the media says they were. I need a little more than that. Sure, the first time I saw the smiling kid and Mr. Phillips video, I got the same impression, too. But when I looked at the larger context, it suddenly seemed different. I wondered what my reaction would be if I were that age and some stranger, whom I knew absolutely nothing about, came up to me, invaded my space, banging a drum and loudly chanting at me. Cameras all around me and whatnot. I wonder what people expected him to do? What do you think he should have done?
Why would he walk up to a group of kids? Some say to diffuse what could have been a confrontation between them and the homophobic/racist blacks. Maybe that is true, maybe it's not. The kids could have just given way to him and ignored him. At the same time, he did not have to stand inches from the kid's face and continue to beat his drum while his friends told the kids to go back to Europe. He could have simply moved along.
I never said he was assaulted, by the boys so I don't know where you get that from. I said he is getting assaulted by people not involved in the incident. Easy enough to understand.
Never heard that, point to me where it is.
Then attribute that to the culprits, as I see no one defending the group that did this.
Which was not the indigenous group.
I am of the mindset that the kid thought he was being cool in front of his peers.
In my video above, it is at the 2:58 mark, said by the Native in the red hat behind the kid. He was telling him that Natives have been in the country for a million years, yada, yada, yada...
He probably thought he was. Somewhere around the 2:30 mark, you can see a tall kid mimick the old man and I thing that is when the kid smirked at the old man. This could have been averted had the old man not approached the group, but I guess he thought he was doing good....except for the idiot in the red had telling them to go back to Europe.
Quite a racist he is.
I agree.
My guess is the kids were trying to figure out which of the two groups around them were the biggest threats...the racist black guys who said they were products of sodomy and that the President was a homosexual (who cares if he was), or the natives in their face, with one telling them to go back to Europe.
There were alot of teens there, and very few of each of the other groups. I'm honestly surprised the kids kept their cool.
Thanks. I don't know what set him off. I can't hear if anyone said anything to him.
The only thing I can say is the indigenous people have been treated like shit for centuries.
I saw one video where one kid told them that land is stolen all the time, to get over it, it is the way the world works.
Though I agree, there is no going back to days of old. He seemed to be pissed off, like he was in protection mode for his Grandfather.
I agree Natives have been treated like crap for alot of years. Although the kid was right about land being taken for thousands of years, I'm sure his mouth went far faster than his brain, which probably told him he should have kept his mouth shut after the fact.
Same thing with the guy he was talking to.
It is obvious, that by the old man and his group approaching them.
So big deal.He did that after the group of Black Israelites got them riled up, which is also on your video. What is also heard is the kids telling the Indians I saw one video where one kid told them that land is stolen all the time, to get over it, it is the way the world works. Swell of him. Then the Indians leave, and the Black Israelites continue. All the old man was guilty of was walking around with his drum.
Nathan Phillips has a history of being a victim.
If you listen to him and what he said, Think he said he was in fear for his life then shed a little tear, then watch your video I don't see a man in fear for his life.
Now if he would have invaded my personal space and banged a drum next to my head he would have picked his ass off the ground. But that's just me and why I'm not allowed in public.
Prove that.
He said that in regards to the after effects of this and not the event itself.
Oh please... an old man and a drum. Very scary.
The poor guy. He sure is a victim a lot. Three years ago he was just out on a walk minding his own business when some EMU students dressed for a native american themed frat party called him over then assaulted him.
By that logic, all the kid was guilty of was standing there, smiling.
Perrie, you are late to the party. See my response to Ender in 3.2.40 about the "land taken all the time" comment. Are you going to chastise Ender because he essentially said the comment was true in 3.2.39? Probably not. Also, in 3.2.31, I mentioned that maybe he approached the kids to try and diffuse a situation that could have gotten worse.
I did notice, however, you have nothing to say about the black racists telling kids they are a product of sodomy and that their President was a homosexual (as if that is a bad thing), or the idiot native in the red hat at 2:58 of the video I posted telling the kids to go back to Europe.
If one of the kids had told the black guys to go back to Africa, you would be screaming racism.
This whole faux story is falling apart fast. I'm still waiting for the video of the kids chanting build that wall. That shouldn't be hard to do right?, with all the video going on.
But yeah accosting some teenage white kids and one black because they were standing wearing MAGA hats is not a big deal.
According to some on here it's not. They don't even dare mention it for fear of their liberal friends accuse them of going rogue.
What are you talking about? First of all, I was the one who corrected everyone and said they were black Israelites and not black Muslims. Second, I have video of these black Israelites calling the Indians names first. So in no way am I defending them. But the Indians did nothing but come over and play their music. For that the kids mocked them.
Here is the raw footage of both the Black Israelites telling the Indians they had to convert and that the word Indian met savages. Later in the video you can see the Indians approach the boys:
Now here is a different angel on what was going on with the Indians as they enter the crowd. Notice that the kid who was smirking at him, was not there when the Indians first got there, and the kids were mocking the Indian song. Then the kid shows up with the smirk. The old man didn't go looking for that:
You can see that here:
So while the Black Israelites were stirring things up, they were doing it to both the Indians and the boys, but the boys were nasty to the Indians for no reason.
I would condemn them any day. This is not about them. And believe me, there is plenty to condemn. What I took objection with is people trying to conflate the issues. Some are almost trying to tie the two groups as one.
Which I am not so sure the kids didn't do themselves.
I addressed that in 3.2.36. I also pointed out the old man may have had a reason to approach the kids, and that reason was to try and diffuse something that could have gotten out of hand. Once the idiot kid got close to him, he could have simply walked away and ignored the kid, but he didn't. He stood there and beat his drum in his face.
Not very adult like.
I don't care if the blacks were Muslim or Isrealites. The end result is they are racist.
End of story.
BINGO
Yes they were racist.
Where do you get that. Them kids are standing on steps. If anything the kid looks scared to me and you can see him whincing when phillips walks upto him and starts beating the drum in his face. I can't believe how this is getting totally spun around by you.
Skip to around 2 minutes for the teen if you like.
Just look at the comments made from some of those on the left and you will realize they are masters at twisting the facts.
Phillips was the aggressor, he saw a kid wearing a MEGA hat then decided to get within an inch of the boy beating a drum in his face in hopes of getting the kid to react negatively towards him.
Not one of the boys said anything racist and didn't say " Build the Wall" if they had CNN and MSNBC would be showing it over and over. The fact they didn't prove there is no video backing the lie
" Young man gets in Native Americans face" what a bunch of BS, Philips got in the kids face hoping to provoke a confrontation.
Notice Phillips bypasses the black Israelites making racist Indian slurs. Why?, he didn't dare mess with black people so he picked on white kids wearing MEGA hats
You seem to forget one important thing. The Indians were the only one who had the right to be there. I never realized that playing music was a threatening act.
Here is a statement by the high schooler that you say accosted Nathan phillips. It's the only place I could find it in its entirety.
Seems to me that the 16 year old is a bigger man than Nathan Phillips with his outright lies proven by video.
Interesting that he doesn't say why he didn't just MOVE.
Oh, so a highschooler statement is more trustworthy than what we all can see or Nathan Phillips. People ask what is wrong with society. Maybe this is it. When some kid makes a statement and we should all take that as gospel.
The boys didn't have any right being there? You have to be kidding, they were there waiting for the buses to take them back to the hotel.
I never realized standing of public property waiting for a bus was a threatening act.
Does Phillips say why he decided to aggravate the boy by beating a drum in his face? I guess the reason was he was afraid to confront grown black men making racial slurs against Native Americans so he picked on some white kids wearing MEGA hats, that was a lot safer then confronting black guys that could beat his ass.
The participants in the Indigenous Peoples March had been confronting the Black Israelites the whole time they were @ the Lincoln Memorial for their rally.
Why do you assume that was his purpose?
The Indians had a permit to be there at that time. And stop making up stuff. No one said that waiting for a bus was a threatening act.
I did you see in the kids statement were he said that he was aggravated.
BTW, I would have taken my chances with 5 black guys over 50+ teenaged boys.
Why should he move? His group had been standing their long before Nathan Phillips showed up.
Phillips hates Trump so aggravating a white teenage boy wearing a MEGA hat was his way of showing his hate for Trump.
You're a mind reader! Fantastic!
That is amazing how you read Phillip's mind and motivations. He singled out that one guy to make a point about Trump. Not very effective. Also, let's totally forget that the Indians were supposed to be there.
But this does bring up an interesting point. Would all the conservatives defend this kid be doing so if the kids were wearing baseball hats with a team on it? I doubt it.
This will be my last comment on this.
His statement is supported by video.
You claimed that sandman moved to block Phillips. I proved that wrong at 3.2.55 and you said nothing.
phillips claims they were chanting build that wall. Funny thing is with all the videos they have out there I haven't seen one of them chanting build the wall.
I think its pathetic that people attack a bunch of teenagers over faux news.
Nathan Phillips playing the victim gets him his 5 minutes of fame again...
Did the permit give them the right to confront teenage boys in hopes of starting a riot?
In the first few sentences, it does not sound like the kid wrote that.
There is no way.
I also don't believe him. At one time when there was an argument about 'go back to Europe' this same kid stopped looking at the man, looked around and tapped his friend on the shoulder. Like, what's up...put the attention back on me.
I don't believe this very crafted piece.
Edit: it is also full of contradictions.
He was there for a public protest, that they have supposedly been doing for years.
Actually, Nathan Phillips group had been there long before the kids got there. They had a permit from 11am- 5pm for the area. The kids arrived around 4:30.
Which video?
Notice all the kids move aside as Philips moves through the crowd, but not that kid. Nope. He just stands there and smirks in Phillips' face. The only kid who does that.
I'm sorry. That is one rude kid.
Now you know they wanted to start a riot. Amazing how you know what is going on in people's head. Maybe they were just there doing what they got their permit to do.
I would say cocky. Trying to show his feathers. Or lack of.
In this case YES. When some native American makes a statement and we should all take that as gospel? Phillips told a lie saying the boys chanted " Built the wall"
I still don't know if the kids knew they were two separate groups.
Who give a shit. the kids were not there protesting anything. After a day of sightseeing they were told to meet on the steps of the Lincoln memorial to catch there bus home. They participated in the pro life march the day before.
Banging a drum in someone's personal space is definitely threatening.
That's a special rider only available to registered SJWs.
You said that they were there before Nathan Phillips. They weren't.
So the answer to your question is: those that care about facts.
Except abortion.
And?
Yes, I know.
BTW, was THAT your last comment on this?
Everyone else moved. This ass of a kid decided not to. He was the one making the statement, not the old man.
You can see what you want to see Perrie even that which isn't there.
I see phiilips wade in to a group of a hundred kids that he is scared are going to harm him per his testimony and he actually pushes the kid in the blue coat with his drum out of the way before he stops in front of Sandmann. Why didn't this great Indian activist confront the guys that were mocking the native Americans for worshipping bear and buffalo and not being able to keep there uppity women in check? Oh wait never mind them MAGA hats.
I would think that they did.
The kids were there for at least a half an hour listening to the BHI drone incessantly, at times at the top of their lungs. Then comes Nathan Phillips group drumming and singing but non-verbal. Totally different 'vibe'.
They were standing on the steps and Phillips walked over to them. Prove me wrong.
I'll keep you in suspense. try holding your breath.
LMFAO
The other activists were confronted.
I actually don't blame the kids for the start of it. They were told to all meet there. The school probably didn't know about permits.
Still doesn't excuse behavior.
Yet I can turn the tables on your argument.
How did the man know all these kids were not gathering against him? He has already had to deal with the loud (I will say it) assholes for who knows how long, now a big group forms. Then they start chanting themselves.
There is not an ounce of contact between Phillips and any of the kids. Wow.. and now we even name the kid after Top Gun? Really?
You think that singing is a confrontation? Sorry. I don't think so. And really what it comes down to you is that the kids are wearing MAGA hats. I for one never mention that. I should have known better that this would be a partisan thing.
For pity's sake!
The boys' diocese and school condemn the boys' behavior.
What more does anyone want?
Wow you are the one that brought it up.....
And FYI the kids last name is Sandmann. Obviously you looked at none of my sources but just keep running with your same offended narrative.
I had to go back and take a second look. At around 40 seconds in your video I thought I seen phillips make contact with the kid in the blue coat before he stated drumming in Sandmann face. I was wrong.
I'm still looking for when Sandmann approached Phillips as you claim though. I still only see him standing in all videos.
it's worked for Trumppy
I'm thinking a heart felt apology form this snot nose little radical is out of the question ?
how many do you own ?
Nice, thanks. Very few people do that. Respect.
He has every right to stand his ground. He's an American citizen.
An apology would be "respect for elders". That doesn't seem to be his strong suit.
is overratted these daze n e way.
no one respects it any more
The tweet that had the video that I posted in comment #2.4.1 shows clearly that Phillips lied about what happened from how the incident started all the way to the conclusion. He approached the kids while ignoring a clear path to the top of the steps. He got into their faces while drumming. He was seeking a confrontation instead of trying to get a level of understanding. As I said in my comments, he is truly an Ex-Marine as he displayed a complete lack of honor by his actions and lying about them.
I watched several videos. I saw this in its entirety, before, during and after. I trust my eyes over a tweet.
He is a minor with a big chip on his shoulder. I'm sorry but that was not the way I was raised or raised my kids.
probably a potatoee
chip off the old block head.
back when
i was thinking of how best to uneducate myself
i signed up to major in minoring till adolthood and add oh less sense it did
but do you not find it a tad bit concerning when on the right there is an obvious yearning for some ole Indian to be runnin round plucking the eyes outta innocent little school boys n girls cause WTF is that wrong colored skin guy doin in "Our America" cause were White and they are gonna make America Great Again,,,,....WTF
some one who ISN"T an illegal immigrant
Trumpp we'll probably chime right in in gthis and make US All great
.
again
This is what it is all about, one more ginned up trump bashing session, the kids are evil incarnated cause they were wearing Maga Hats.....
I guess that entitles them to all,the abuse you could wish on them correct?
Yep, that's what it is all about. We pay no attention to trump being an asshole.
We are all making shit up, maybe like trump being an asshole.
Yeah right....
We all know he has an influence, whether some want to believe it or not.
They can't have that as part of the narrative, it is all about the boys wearing Maga Hats.....
Just more T-rump hate on display....
Hate begets hate...
It was a partisan thing from the start, the slanted reporting made it even more pronounced, then there are the obvious political biases on the site itself thrown into the mix with their latent T-rump hate.....
And you didn't think it would become political?
I find that hard to believe girl you are pretty sharp on the uptake.......
When it is backed up by video, SURE!
If Nathan's depiction of what was happening was backed up by the video I would say we take his statement as the facts. Unfortunately, it wasn't.....
No it wasn't. It was made that way. By some...
Actually, after watching a lot of videos, I could say that neither Nathan's or the boys recollection of events is absolutely true.
We have all seen it. Trying to absolve some is not only a disservice, it is almost lying.
It certainly does and we see it here on the site on an almost a daily basis... (from some pretty surprising sources also)
Yes we have, and sometimes it is lying.....
Both sides have issues here, (boys & natives) but I see no hate just a lot of confusion. If you eliminate the actual haters at the start.
The media injected the hate....
And unfortunately some ran with it...
I had my response to you. See it...
Sad really, I thought more of you.
You will find that when people have nothing else to add and start with the insults to make themselves feel better, I start to think less of them also......
Whatever way you want it... (or need to have it, makes no difference to me)
I tend to think people that talk a big game can back it up.
Apparently not always the case.
Taking a look at the big picture instead of assigning blame usually works.
Funny that I can gain respect for some that are my political opposites on certain things yet at the same time people I thought were neutral are actually not.
Major respect lost. My real feelings, may not mean anything to you yet yours have lost meaning to me.
Makes us even I guess. Though I don't threaten people that they don't know what they are dealing with...
To protest...
The kids were not there to protest. They were there waiting on a bus. More and more truth is coming out that the old man event. Liberals are going on record apologizing to the kids for jumping in and not knowing the facts.
Not a threat, statement of fact.
Hell when anyone deals with anyone solely through the internet, none of them really know who or what is on the other end. All it ever is is just bits on the screen. Nothing real.
Everyone online talks a big game, par for the course, seldom does anyone back it up and even fewer occurrences of anyone capable of backing anything up in a real world sense. 20 years of online experience taught me that.
I've had my life threatened hundreds of times over bits on a screen, going all the way back to before fidonet, is it something I worry about? Hell no.
People get frustrated and say all kinds of stupid shit. But then I really don't think there are too many that really think I'm stupid, although they say it a lot online.
Major respect lost? can't lose something you didn't have in the first place.
Neutral, I've never been neutral, but then neither are you. No one is actually neutral online. No one is neutral in real life. Everyone has their biases some are just more able to cover theirs up than others.... another lesson from the years online.
I have had real life contact with several people from several boards over the years, although many are no longer with us. there are several from this board whom I care for a GREAT deal. I won't call them out as it's against board rules but they know whom they are.
Does it make us even, I don't know, didn't know we were keeping score. Score keeping serves no useful purpose on an online forum. But if you want to put it that way I suppose you could say that. It's irrelevant to me.
There you go, just me, nothing fancy, nothing special, just another schlep posting on a computer screen like all the other schleps.
Make of it what you will.
Your going to anyway.
Good thing for me as well as that smirking kid that I wasn't in attendence. I'd have gone to jail and the kid would have a broken face.
You raised them to be bullied and abused in public without standing up for themselves?
Are you kidding me? I said you mentioned that. I have never in this discussion brought up politics. It is a policy of mine. And in actuality, I don't think it is even part of the story.
My bad. Until more recent accounts, the kid's name was not mentioned, only Nathan Phillips was.
I never said that the kid approached Phillips. I said that when the Indians came through the other students stepped aside as they played. Only Sandmann wouldn't move. But thank you for rewatching the video and seeing that no contact was made by either.
Greg I have seen this video. Nothing new.
Well, that's a big lie. At the 1:17-18 mark of that video it abruptly goes from a group shot to a close up of the confrontation. There is no evidence whatsoever that this man was even moving much less forcing his way anywhere.
I would.
You are correct, we all have our bias.
Um...the :33 mark shows him making an approach to the group of kids, directly toward them. There is another video of him moving inside the group.
Why even approach them? The kids were only minding their business waiting for a bus. Why didn't he approach the racist blacks making derogatory remarks about the kids? I don't know..maybe to try and diffuse a possible altercation, or maybe he approached them because around 100 kids with MAGA hats make better publicity than a group of 5 or 6 racist blacks.
So, you're fine with their thuggishness no matter what the basis. GTK. I'll be looking for these fine young specimens of white "supremacy" in the near future at neo-nazi rallies carrying torches and screaming about Jews not replacing them. And their ring-leader looks like a sure candidate for a SC seat from some future republican Scumbag president, no doubt.
No they're showing the group surrounding him and hemming him in as he tries to pass through.
A lot garbage and lies in that one. First, do you deny he had the right to move freely wherever he wanted to in this public space? The "kids" (i.e. young fascists) were not minding their own business. They were engaged in a insult exchange with the Black Israelites and Phillips claims the only reason he stepped forward was to try to appeal to both sides to tone it down. So he was doing what you suggested he should have done. If you're suggesting that he tried to provoke them by his chanting and figured MAGA wearing brats would give him the expected reaction based on the Scumbag they worship then I guess he proved just what shitheads they were. I don't think that was his motivation and you probably don't either but are just desperately trying to cover for some really spoiled and disgusting adolescents. BTW, there apparently were chaperones there who did nothing to stop their shitty little darlings so we can see where they got their manners.
Yep. Finally got one right.
Certainly not from any of you who're trying to deflect from the thuggishness of those students.
Flipping the narrative (i.e., truth) as usual. Standard propaganda ploy. A bunch of and especially one) overindulged, heavily entitled shits from a private school (how apropos that is) decide to assault (threaten) and ridicule a lone elderly man armed with, wait for it....a drum and a chant and look who are out in force here (and I'm sure on every forum like this) lying their asses off and put up obvious heavily edited video to cover [deleted] The very people who constantly carp (and lie, of course) of how threatening liberals are. Thanks for at least making that lie always obvious and standard rightwing lie now irrefutably so.
That was alot of blah blah blah to say " I hate the kids because they wore MAGA hats".
In another video, it clearly shows the kids making about a 10 foot path for him to move through. He doesn't move, he only continues to bang the drum in the kid's face. This guy has been proven a liar before, links are on this page from other posters, so don't ask me for links. He said in an "interview" later that he feared for his safety, but it clearly shows him approaching the kids, along with his racist little buddies.
One thing I have noticed about you and other posters on here. Not one has said anything critical of the racist blacks that started this in the first place. If they were wearing MAGA hats and saying the same shit, you and your buddies on here would be screaming RAAAASCCCCIIISSSSSSSTTT.
As far as chaperones......I will answer you as I answered another on here...I don't know. Why don't you as them.
But nothing about the blatant racism from the racist blacks and racist natives screaming the WHITE kids need to return to Europe.
Guess you are OK with that, huh?
Apparently he doesn't.
Hmmmmmmmm..........🧐
Don't you ever get tired of spreading rightwing bullshit? There's no video whatsoever indicating anything close to what you're selling.
And the white supremacist spawn are shouting right back. A bit later in the video a few of better ones are actually having a somewhat exchange with the Black Israelites. But "black" is the trigger for some people. A loud black man seems to be just about the biggest threat some people can handle. Not any white guy with murder in his heart and a semi-automatic rifle in his hands. No problem, right?
Oh, then they really should have beat the shit out of for "making an approach." You just blew you whole rickety straw house down with that comment and I thank you for it.
And you are ignoring facts
More like raping them.
There's not a single truth in that paragraph and the source you used confirmed that.
So the Redstate article conflates the actions of Nathan Phillips group with the actions of the Black Israelites.
That's some GREAT journalism there Sean. /s
Right, it's the kids fault for not differentiating which group of adults was acting inappropriately in which manner.
Gonna seed an article about the homophobic slurs at kids?
Of course not.
My comment was about Redstate's journalism. WTF are YOU talking about?
Not today but you go right ahead.
Projecting?
That addresses Redstate's 'journalism' how?
One thing for sure, that MAGA punk surely has mastered The Resting Bitchface.
What makes a liberal want to punch a child?
honest question. Have you ever seen a more punchable face than this kid’s? pic.twitter.com/jolQ7BZQPD
— Reza Aslan (@rezaaslan) January 20, 2019 (CNN contributor)
Rhetorical questions about punching kids? Imagine the response of Aslan’s professional friends if he’d asked that about, say, one of the high schoolers campaigning for gun control after the Parkland, Florida shootings. Or imagine Aslan saying that about any teenager who’s not wearing a MAGA hat. Nonviolence and protecting children don’t apply when you’re an enemy to the woke, enlightened left. And another double-standard bears mention, as well: watch the rest of the nine-minute video with the Covington teens after the encounter with the Indian activists. Also on the scene are a group of Black Hebrew Israelites, a crackpot sect that takes this occasion to spew gay-baiting rhetoric at the Covington teenagers. This part of the Covington’s teens’ experience in Washington, D.C. has somehow gone unmentioned in most media, and the social justice enforcers on Twitter have not paid any attention at all to the hate explicitly vented here — certainly nothing like the outrage lavished on the Phillips-Covington incident.
But try to imagine for a minute that instead of black separatist leader ‘General Yahanna’ (for it seems to be he ) asking teens, ‘You proud of sodomy? You look like a product of sodomy!’, someone in a MAGA hat saying that. Do you think it would get a little more coverage? Do you think Reza Aslan would start fantasizing about tossing punches? I can tell you for damn sure he’s not going to punch General Yahanna, and not just for reasons of political correctness. It’s a lot easier to bully high-school student than angry militants.
Sean,
That was wrong, but are you going with two wrongs make a right? Sorry, that still makes this wrong as well as the other event. And one is an individual and the other is a gang.
Why do you think the liberal media is obsessing about the claimed acts of teenagers that can't be verified on video, yet ignore ADULTS caught on tape screaming "You look like a product of Sodomy!" at teenagers?
Why are liberals okay with adults doing that? I haven't seen one MSM headline about adults screaming slurs at teenagers, yet look at the freak out over a kid smirking at an old man who aggressively approached him beating a drum in his face( and was caught on video doing it)?
Shouldn't liberal adults be held to a higher standard than kids?
Strawman. NO ONE has said that was 'okay'.
Where the hell were the chaperones for these young men. Videos show them lined up in from of the Black Israelites and interacting with them for quite a while. The Black Israelites were set up on that spot ALL DAY, they are a KNOWN entity and had been screaming at the participants of the Indigenous People March during there ceremonies.
The teenagers went into the middle of those dueling protests and the adults who took them there are responsible. The FACT is, they could have moved on any time they wanted to, they CHOSE to stay, for over an hour, to listen and to interact.
What 'liberal adults' are you talking about Sean?
Yet you choose to express your outrage at a group of kids and ignore the adults. One can only wonder why you ignored the much greater offense of a group of minority adults and focused on a group of white kids? Interesting you hold white KIDS to a higher standard of behavior than minority ADULTS.
If that's not okay, why didn't you seed an article about it? Why are all the MSM outlets focused on a kid smirking and ignoring the slurs hurled at KIDS!?
The Black Israelites were set up on that spot ALL DAY, they are a KNOWN entity
Why don't you hold Black Isrealities responsible for their behaviors? Why do you think the MSM and yourself ignore their horrible behavior, even thought they are adults?
What 'liberal adults' are you talking about Sean?
The adults who've ignored the provocative and repulsive actions of adults to berate kids.
What are you talking about now? Have you even watched the longer videos?
Oh, Sean, what a pathetic and disgusting effort you're making in trying to minimize or deflect away from the behavior of these disgusting fascist youth.
Nope....you didn't watch the longer videos.
CNN lied to you again.
Do yourself a favor and look at your TV remote. There are buttons on there that probably say "Channel" with both an up and down arrow. You can use those buttons.
Your welcome.
Yet you choose to ignore that I addressed the adults.
One can only wonder why you ignore that the 5 'minority adults' didn't surround the group of 'white kids' [some of whom were obviously NOT white].
Interesting that you seemingly hold 'white KIDS' to no standard at all...
Gee Sean, where are all of YOUR seeds about the things YOU don't think are okay?
I don't answer for 'all the MSM.
In truth, IMHO, why bother, they are lost.
Again, I don't answer for the MSM.
I'm not ignoring their behavior.
I don't think those are the adults you were talking about before Sean.
Did i miss the seed where you called out the adults hurling slurs at the kids? Or just the one where you attacked the smirking kid?
you ignore that the 5 'minority adults' didn't surround the group of 'white kids'
Keep excusing the adults hurling slurs, racial epithets and telling the kids they don't belong in America etc....
All this hatred at a kid for smirking. A strange man inserts himself in his group, gets in his face while beating a drum and somehow the kid, the KID! is the villain for smirking. FOR SMIRKING!
The kids were the only well behaved people at this fiasco.
seemingly hold 'white KIDS' to no standard at all
What standard do you think they violated? How do you think kids should react when being harassed with slurs, told to leave the country and having strange men come up to them and start drumming in their face? They acted better than all the adults there, that's for sure.
Gee Sean, where are all of YOUR seeds about the things YOU don't think are okay?
Here's the thing. If I seed an article about an event where something bad happens, I'm going to focus on the bad behavior, especially when the behavior consists of adults hurling slurs at kids. One can only assume you ignored the slurs directed at kids because you don't care about it.
I don't answer for 'all the MSM
I didn't say you do. But this story demonstrates how biased the MSM is. Attacking and fantasizing about hurting a kid who'd been subjected to racial epitaphs and slurs by adults.
You, and the MSM, are attacking kids who had just had racist slurs thrown at them by adults. Do you even recognize how low you've stooped?
Put aside you obsessive hatred for Trump and just think about what you've done. It's really sad, because if you are honest, you'd admit you'd never attack any other group of kids in a similar situation who reacted to being abused this way.
I don't think those are the adults you were talking about before Sean.
In any other context telling a kid to go back to their homeland and that they don't belong in America is huge issue. And that wasn't said by the Black Isrealites. By all means, find a friend and approach the next group of hispanic teen aged boys you see hanging out. While one of you invades their personal space and beats a drum inches from their face, the other can tell them to go back to Mexico and that they don't belong here. ( we can skip the part where another group harrasss the kids at the same time)
Report back on whether receiving a smirk is the worst thing that happens to you.
No. Relevance?
I don't know, did you?
I can't 'keep' doing something that I didn't do in the first fucking place.
If you think this is about 'SMIRKING' you're either missing the point or being intentionally obtuse.
Our definition of 'well behaved' are obviously miles apart.
I am only addressing their interaction with the Indigenous group. They should have respected the Elder and made way for him.
Gee Sean, this isn't my seed. A quick review of THIS SEED shows that you haven't confronted the seeder about slurs directed at the kids, so one has to wonder WHY you've honored me so.
Nowhere near your level.
Yo hablo español Sean. No se preocupe.
Try as you might there is no excusing a large group of privileged white boys shipped into DC to protest against Women's rights ganging up on one noble Native elder while mocking him with their dumbass tomahawk chops and fakeass Indian chants. The optics alone were irredeemable considering the odds were over 100 to one. Nobody is excusing anyone's bad behavior but at least a hundred spoiled white private Catholic schoolboys had zero business disrupting that Native American event which was not about either Trump's stupid wall, abortions or the dumbass Black Israelite Movement. Those awful obnoxious white kids were just there to cause shit so they got shit. So we're the Black Israelites. Neither group should have been causing a disruption of the Natiive American event. No Excuses!
In any case, that one lone Native elder did not one damn thing to deserve being mocked and ridiculed by such a big gang of obnoxious whiteass punks who were shipped into DC by the Catholic Church already determined to just cause trouble. Those punks even being there to protest against women's reproductive rights is a disgrace to begin with. Should Catholic boy's schools should all now be required to wear brown shirts as their new school uniforms?
Nice strawman. Or is it just simple bigotry?
Did you miss the mock war cries and tomahawk chops by those boys?
That whole group of punks were engaged in mocking Native Americans.
Those boys were shipped in to raise Hell so now they all deserve Hell...
And did you miss the slurs directed at the kids? Or is that selective liberal vision?
When did Nathan Phillips utter a slur? I missed nothing. He did not...
Not acknowledging that those boys were mocking Natives is telling...
Phillips didn't, but his boy in the red had did, telling them to go back to Europe. Philipps did not tell him to be quiet, so he was condoning it.
Rushing to falsely judge white Christians is telling
Sure have several times, I don't believe you have. Try it in slow motion that should help you
Gvie it up, bugsy. This rightwing attempt to flood the issue with faked videos has failed again.
This "story" has been proven as projection by the media. The whole tape has come out. It shows exactly what happened and exactly who was being harassed.
Some who were fooled have apologized.
It's time for you to admit the story was based on Phillips lies.
yeah, it's clear enough that even far leftists like Joy Behar are walking back their takes.
Now it's down to the fringe crazies who aren't tethered to reality to cling to project their fantasies. You can see them getting more and more unhinged as every progressive with a shred of integrity abandons the big lie that started this.
Anytime there is a march or protest by either side there is the potential for reactions and problems. Expect it.
Agreed, but these two events had nothing to do with each other. The kids were there for the pro life march and the Indians were there for the dead.
both had right to be there and express their views. People are fired up at these things and anything can lead to problems.
Taking School groups to protests is asking for trouble and if problems happen the group that brought the kids should be liable
Good that it was not worse and nobody was injuried
I was wondering why an all boys high school was going to a prolife rally.
Not to change the subject yet what is that teaching the boys? That they have a right to tell women what to do?
Just thought it was odd.
Good Point, guess the Catholic school wanted to train them that way and have some bodies for the anti choice march
Or, maybe they simply hold the view that no one has the right to kill the unborn? I know some want to make everyone think it's about controlling women's bodies. That's easier to defend than a discussion of whether or not we're killing people.
I am of the mindset that kids should not be brought to rallies whether they are right, left, in between.
Let them become adults without indoctrination to any particular view. Let them see all sides of an issue then when old enough, make up their own minds.
Also, taking all boys and having them pick a side about something that does not concern their own bodies is not the right way to go imo. They are already separated from the opposite sex in their formative years. They are being taught boundaries and relationships in a one sided environment.
I tend to agree, although I wouldn't agree that this applies to Highschoolers.
That's pretty difficult, especially considering what is taught in public schools these days. Further, what you suggest isn't really possible. Parents don't really have a way not to teach their children their values. Can you imagine parents not telling their children it's wrong to pick on other kids? Let them make their own minds up after they become adults? Yes, I know they are hardly equivalent. The point would be, where do parents draw the line on what they should "indoctrinate" their children in and what they shouldn't? Who decides that if not the parent?
Further, what a parent teaches children morally doesn't set the child's future in stone. Anyone with teenagers, and having been one myself, knows perfectly well that regardless of what our parents teach us, we have our own ideas about the way things should be. They manage to develop into their own person.
There may be something to that. Hard to say. I started out in a co-ed Catholic school so I can't say what that might be like. I think there may be pluses to such an arrangement as well, though.
Yes a lot of things are taught at home. I am a believer that racism is a learned behavior.
People send their kids to schools like this as some like what is instilled by them.
I would argue some parents want their kids to have certain ways ingrained into them, be it from themselves or the school by proxy.
I went to public schools. When in elementary, we had a mock election to coincide with the actual presidential election. We were allowed to pick the side we wanted yet were asked to explain why. Or explain how we thought one candidate would be better than the other. Never once did a teacher tell one of us who to pick for any reason. (Though I am sure some kids got feedback from home)
In high school, I don't remember hardly anyone talking politics.
IMO this is having a group of boys being taught (by proxy) a certain way to believe.
I guess the best I can say it is, having a belief is one thing. Having some trying to fulfill that belief by telling others what they can or can't do with their own bodies, is another.
And sorry, didn't mean to derail.
what r u implying...
some would say your quote is saying the same thing, no ?
No one has the right to force women to procreate against their will....or do they in your "Maiden's Tale" fantasy?
When every "pro-lifer" comes out against the death penalty maybe we'll start listening to that sanctimony.
The bothsiderism impulse is so strong.
One lone Native elder verses 100 plus whiteass punks is not equal sides...
He's a professional victim/protester.
if they had not been there, would not have been a problem, goes for both sides
This comes up just as rightwingers have been trying desperately (and in vain) to push the ridiculous lie that it's Dems and libs who are the bigots, antisemites and racists. It's that ubiquitous reversal of reality which has now become the paw print of the the Republican party and fellow travelers of the racist, antisemitic alt-right.
Sadly, it's fake news from the Washington Post. The kids were already there, waiting for their bus. The guy with the drum and his cameraman walked into the group on their own. They weren't surrounded; they walked themselves into the midst of the group. The drummer and his entourage (who you don't see in the WP video) tell the white kids to go back to Europe and that this isn't their land. No one is chanting "Build the wall" as reported. Fake news.
Another perspective .
Sadly, too many people, including their own Catholic diocese, condemned these kids for doing something they didn't do without any investigation.
Well the video you linked refutes what BF's claim about Nathan Phillips talking shit to the kids...
I think he already said it was his companion in @8.1.4. Anyway, is it supposed to make it ok because his companion said it? Does that matter a lot? The whole point of this is that the reported story was these kids allegedly surrounded and harassed some innocent Indian who had been minding his own business. It should be clear by now what a giant pile of fabricated crap that was and how maliciously the reputations of these kids have been maligned.
Say what you want, the kids are not innocent.
Nope, that wasn't BF.
Are facts not supposed to matter? BF's 'narrative' is false. Yes it matters 'a lot' since BF falsely insisted that the his video proves something which it didn't and your video proves his narrative was false.
The seed doesn't report that story. Link?
The video clearly shows the kids mocking and surrounding the 'Indian'.
You're entitled to your opinion.
Uh, thanks? I will.
Well, none of us are. But I'm not sure what they did wrong in this particular circumstance.
Honestly, I don't care. That whole conversation is a different part of the thread and not related to anything I wrote.
Holy Smokes! I don't need a link. It's literally the headline of the seed. The headline says the teens were harassing the Indian. The word "harass" describing what the teen did to the Indian is right there for you.
No, the video shows a stationary group of kids and the drum-beating man walks into them. He surrounded himself by walking into the center of a preexisting crowd.
Completely manufactured outrage at the kids group.....
The Nation of Yahweh bigoted cretins first tried to take on the natives, and from what I know of the natives, (and saw) they were about to settle his crap when he decided to back off and start the whole we are brothers routine.... Great choice. Cowards.... then, they turn looking for others to turn their racist hate at and spy a bunch of kids wearing Maga hats.
SCORE!!!!!
They immediately start in on the kids trying to rile them up and they were essentially laughing at them. but some of the kids were beginning to respond. At this point here is the elder walking into the group of boys and beating his drum and chanting. It looked to me like the boys were picking up the chant well at least the rhythm of it if not the message. some of them were even making the tomahawk chop to the rhythm. while this was happening the elder had worked his way into the middle of the group and the reverse angle shows one of the boys jawing with one of the natives, they were both laughing and carrying on for several minutes until the boy that was staring down the elder gave him the high sign to stop then he moves out of the picture...
All the while we don't hear any of the things that the natives claimed were said by the boys, I see no aggressive moves against anyone, just that the boy refused to move out of the way....
Now the media gets ahold of it, erases the Nation of Yahweh jerk who incited it all, erases the approach of the natives to the youths, erases the obvious friendly laughing communications between the natives and boys and paints a T-rump hate narrative over the whole thing that doesn't even exist because if their hats?
Well the media had to get rid of the instigators, with them present in the story everyone clearly knows where to place their outrage. they also couldn't show the bigoted organization going after kids.....
Another day in the media's hate filled looney bin of ginned up outrage.....
This one was good, it even fooled me at first. but as soon as I saw the video of the elder approaching and investing the crowd of boys I knew something was up, something wasn't right about this.....
Totally and completely manufactured outrage...... shifted from those who deserved it to those that didn't......
And then of course, the site haters take over and add their brand of hate to the mix....
Figures...
Talk about an alternative reality...
I know that's what they created, why else edit out the instigators....
They were not a apart of the narrative. Trying to make it so is trying to change the narrative.
So the ones who started the whole thing aren't part of the narrative....
Right, you mean the invented narrative. Because that is the ONLY reason to cut them out, to CHANGE the narrative into something it wasn't...
Who says that piece of shit group started the narrative? So far only you.
The video says it..... when they backed off the natives that were getting restless with their diatribe, THEY went after the kids first cause they were wearing maga hats.....
The thing that confuses me is why did the old man feel the need to go over to the boys and do anything....
And then to turn around and blame the boys of a lot of crap that there is no video to show... (strange from the number of cameras that were evidently recording this)
Wow. You say it all. I should stop so you can say more. Yet I am happy with the 'natives being restless' diatribe.
Shows what I knew.
I was never confused but it seems some are on who they hold as inspiration. What they consider just and true.
Maybe I should have asked for more yet I wonder, would you tell me, I don't know after I heard you tell someone that you could do more than they know...
One never knows so I stick with the basics. Seems to have worked this time.
I have heard all I need to know about you.
Racist superlatives to promote what you see...
Calling me a racist?
chuckle....
That's funny....
What is sad is I don't see you taking or understanding what you said.
Not even denying what you said.
Might get more headway with the kids.
Isn't the first time some have claimed to know what is in my mind.... Or questioned intent or knowledge, rationality, intelligence, etc, ad nauseum.....
I actually find it funny when they do.....
Usually happens when they cannot challenge the factual reality, they then turn to disparagement....
I've seen it all before......
So insulting me reflects more on you than it does me......
Yes it is sad..... because I've always thought you were smarter than that...
Funny that you think people don't know what is on your mind when you post it....
What you don't seem to understand is that whatever a person posts on a board or forum is only a small microcosm of what they actually have on their minds. The part that can be converted into words and communicated. The rest of what a person thinks has to be deduced from that limited communication. Hence no one really knows what is on or in another's mind....
Anyone who claims they do know is claiming to be a mindreader, and there is less proof of that ability in humans than there is to remote viewing. Which I believe is hogwash BTW.
This is why intrinsic deeper conversations or communications seldom happen online. the medium doesn't support such in a back and forth debate type manner. Much of communication is transferred by inflection. Which lends to deeper understandings by offering clues to the intent of the communicator. Without them it is impossible to fully understand what or where a person stands on any given subject.
So one has to assume....
Since you know what is on my mind, tell me what my position is on disestablishedmentarianism....
I'll make it easy, am I for or against it?
But I digress...
All of this is but words in a stream, two days from now no one is going to care about what was written today. Since that is the reality, communications on a forum today are for the most part irrelevant to anything in reality.
I am who I am, if you find yourself wondering just who I am, sorry I'm just me....
Maybe tomorrow we can agree on something... Or maybe we won't....
But if you feel like you have to put down that which you cannot understand or can't fit within your idealized world, there is no response I can give cause I don't read minds and take nothing off a board such as this for reality anyways....
People who take the time to find out who I actually am get a lot of respect from me, those that wish to pigeon hole me into their little boxes of predetermined behaviors and make judgments based upon that I have little respect for.
I suspect you are similar but I really don't know cause I haven't taken the time to figure it out....
Today's a down day maybe tomorrow will be better.
But understand this, you communicate your opinion of me, and I could care less...
Knock yourself out....
Esas chicas indies
que bailan sin mover los pies
y sus sonrisas tristes que no te dejan ver
No, no, no cuidaran de ti
No, no, no, no te harán feliz
mañana llegará
un nuevo amanecer sin luces de discoteca
y pronto olvidaras
el fugaz placer que encontraste entre sus piernas
Nosotras no llevamos chándal
Funny....
I must have missed that. Link?
So let me see if I have this right.
The BHI instigated the angelic boys and we should give them a pass for taking it out on Nathan Phillips. Is that your posit?
Who do you mean by 'site haters'?
Figures that it's all a lie manufactured by the left.
I'll post this here on this discussion as well:
Like all perspectives, it depends on what you see and when you start seeing it.
One group came to participate in a legally approved event.
Another group came to disrupt and harass those different than them including a 3rd group.
Nathan, a member of the 1st group of legal participants, got between groups 2 and 3 breaking up that tension.
Sounds like Nathan did the right thing, irrespective of the disruptive, anti-social behavior of group 2.
The Indigenous Peoples March was the ONLY group that had a permit for that space. The Black Israelites were set up outside of the area set aside for the IPM and harassed the Indigenous group throughout.
The 'angelic boys' started to congregate on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial as the IPM was winding down and were there for over an hour, becoming the main audience for the Black Israelites. The Black Israelites [all 5 of them] didn't move, the angelic boys congregated in front of them and that went on for over a half hour with much interaction, chaperones finally intervened and moved the angelic boys, that's when they started chanting and one jumped out of the group, took off his coat and shirt started cheer leading to drown out the Black Israelites, it was getting heated.
That's when Nathan Phillips came from the side, drumming and singing and walked between the groups. He walked up to the angelic boys and they surrounded his small group.
I wasn't sure about the status of the "Israelites". That is why I specifically didn't touch that.
I saw the same scenario you detailed. I put it in a nutshell.
No obligation to move whatsoever.
Conversely, what is lawful about disrupting and permitted event?
This link shows it all.
4 videos, one continuous for over an hour, so no editing. One clearly showing the boys surrounding the Indians and mocking them.
Thanks Perrie. I kind pf pieced that picture together from watching others. Seeing it all in one place helps.
So the "Israelite's" were instigators as well as the Catholic school people.
If anything Nathan kept those 2 groups apart from each other at his own expense.
The camera can often be a wonderful thing and it can also be a liar.
It will take me a while to watch the whole thing.
Exactly. He got berated by both groups. Luckily someone had over an hour of continuous coverage, plus a different angle on what the boys were doing with Nathan.
Yes, good thing someone kept the camera rolling.
Caution is always needed these days when watching these vids. Everyone has their own pocket propaganda device.
"Popiels Pocket Propaganda" call now and get...
That is what I have been saying all along. He was trying to get in between the situation and maybe diffuse it.
The "Israelite's" group was more or less confrontational with everyone. Starting with the indigenous group. And continued after they left.
I am almost to the point that I think some of the kids couldn't tell the groups apart.
Selective editing can be deceptive.
Though that is the culmination, how is that the central problem?
Who went out of their way to disrupt a legal event?
BTW, did those "Israelites" look like kids to you?
I think you are about this.
Not on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial they weren't.
Phillips group was the ONLY one that had a permit for the area.
Membership in a society that respects Elders.
No offense, but WTF have you been teaching your kids?
When I was a kid, I was taught deference to elders. Now I'm an elder... and I kinda insist...
Me too. I have worked with quite a few young guys and had to 'adjust' some attitudes. They come around right quick...perhaps because I usually carry around a shovel.
I'm 6'6", 250 lbs. As a result, I've never had to learn to fight... but kids who are rude to me just see my size. They acquire respect quite quickly.
How large do you want our government to be ?
IMO: A civilised society should not need every nuance decided by, regulated by and overseen by laws.
It's already bad enough that the more people we have, the more real problems we have, the more laws we have and the more government we need to oversee it all.
Yes, it is true the kid had every right in the world to be an asshole and was under no legal obligation to stop.
In the entirety of the situation, who was there to partake in a legally permitted event? Who came to disrupt?
What about this one?
WTF are you talking about? They were on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. PERIOD full stop. No assumption. How about you google the site and tell me how FAR a street is from the steps.
Where did you ask me about a 'legal requirement'. Goal post moving is BAD FORM.
When even Jack Tapper bails on the liberal narrative:
. @ reason : “Video footage strongly contradicts Native American veteran Nathan Phillips' claim that Covington Catholic High School boys harassed him. The media got this one completely wrong,” writes @ robbysoave
Did you even watch any of the video I provided?
Perrie,
These videos have been out all day. Perhaps you remember me talking about them this morning?
Please read the article in the Jack Tapper tweet I posted. It discusses the uncut video. It also points out that Phillips was caught lying to the Detroit Free Press about what happened:
Far from engaging in racially motivated harassment, the group of mostly white, MAGA-hat-wearing male teenagers remained relatively calm and restrained despite being subjected to incessant racist, homophobic, and bigoted verbal abuse by members of the bizarre religious sect Black Hebrew Israelites, who were lurking nearby. The BHI has existed since the late 19th century, and is best describes as a black nationalist cult movement; its members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites, and often express condemnation of white people, Christians, and gays. DC-area Black Hebrews are known to spout particularly vile bigotry.
Phillips put himself between the teens and the black nationalists, chanting and drumming as he marched straight into the middle of the group of young people. What followed was several minutes of confusion: The teens couldn't quite decide whether Phillips was on their side or not, but tentatively joined in his chanting. It's not at all clear this was intended as an act of mockery rather than solidarity.
One student did not get out of Phillips way as he marched, and gave the man a hard stare and a smile that many have described as creepy. This moment received the most media coverage: The teen has been called the product of a " hate factory " and likened to a school shooter, segregation-era racist , and member of the Ku Klux Klan . I have no idea what he was thinking, but portraying this as an example of obvious, racially-motivated hate is a stretch. Maybe he simply had no idea why this man was drumming in his face, and couldn't quite figure out the best response? It bears repeating that Phillips approached him , not the other way around.
And that's all there is to it. Phillips walked away after several minutes, the Black Hebrew Israelites continued to insult the crowd, and nothing else happened.
You can judge for yourself. Here is video footage of the full incident, from the perspective of the black nationalists. Phillips enters the picture around the 1:12 mark, but if you skip to that part, you miss an hour of the Black Hebrew Israelites hurling obscenities at the students. They call them crackers, faggots, and pedophiles. At the 1:20 mark (which comes after the Phillips incident) they call one of the few black students the n-word and tell him that his friends are going to murder him and steal his organs. At the 1:25 mark, they complain that "you give faggots rights," which prompted booing from the students. Throughout the video they threaten the kids with violence, and attempt to goad them into attacking first. The students resisted these taunts admirably: They laughed at the hecklers, and they perform a few of their school's sports cheers.
It was at this moment that Phillips, who had attended a nearby peace protest led by indigenous peoples, decided to intervene. He would later tell The Detroit Free Press that the teenagers "were in the process of attacking these four black individuals" and he decided to attempt to de-escalate the situation. He seems profoundly mistaken: The video footage taken by the black nationalists shows no evidence the white teenagers had any intention of attacking. Nevertheless, Phillips characterized the kids as "beasts" and the hate-group members as "their prey". .
T he boys are undoubtedly owed an apology from the numerous people who joined this social media pile-on. This is shaping up to be one of the biggest major media misfires in quite some time.
I didn't miss the Black Israelites. I also never called the kid any of those things. Read my previous comments. I said the kid was rude, was starring down Nathan and was in his face. It is not clear from any of the videos if the Nathan walked into the kid or vice versa. He is just suddenly there. The fact that he just stood there and smirked is rude. The Indians had the right to be there. They didn't.
What chief told the truth? Nathan did nothing other than play his drum. Wow, anything other than holding these kids responsible for their own actions. Wonder why kids have attitudes these days/ sarc.
Shades of Berlin Nov 9 & 10, 1938 but no windowpanes shattered, yet...
The Hitler Youth and the Brownshirts were just Catholic schoolboys, too.
Why read someone elses version of a video? We can all watch it for ourselves and come to our own conclusions.
Phillips was relaying what he thought and felt at the time. While he may be mistaken, I don't think it equates to lying.
Lutheran, probably. Except in Bavaria, where they were indeed probably Catholic.
Hitler Youth and Brownshits started off as mere parochial schoolboys...
What should we all call the MAGA Punks? The Red Hats or MAGA Punks?
A new low!
First, "smirking" is your interpretation. What does that mean? Maybe he's just uncomfortable (there is a stranger beating a drum in his face. would you be comfortable?) and trying to to smile. Your declaration that he is smirking is an opinion and a judgment you can't support with anything other than your own bias. You don't know what was in his heart. There is nothing inherently rude about a smile.
Second, where was he supposed to go? He is a kid who was told to be in that area by his chaperones. He is surrounded by lots of other people who were also instructed to be there. Why is it rude to simply continue standing where he was? The drummer walked up to him. What if he tries to walk away and the drummer keeps following him? Would you like him to run away? Where to?
Is that what you did when you first watched the video? The headline in this seed says that the kid is harassing the guy with the drum. Hard to miss that.
Look, believe whatever you want. I just posted a video showing that the kid not only stood there in defiance but stood there smirking. If you were in a bar, and a guy did that to you, tell me you wouldn't get that he was trying to egg you on.
And where was he supposed to go? You have got to be kidding me. All the other kids stepped aside but him. Look at him at this link:
clearly, he could have stepped aside and decided not to. He even says that he decided not to.
Yea, he could have, but the old man could have gone around him instead of banging his drum in his face. He is an adult. That is more of aggressive behavior than a kid "smirking" at you.
What excuse? I haven't excused anything. There's nothing to excuse. Where is the evidence that he did anything wrong? Since when is standing and smiling wrongful behavior?
Is there a reason he should have known to step aside? I don't see Phillips making any attempt to get by him. He appears to be right where he wants be, i.e. in a kid's face, beating his drum in that kid's face. This kid had no reason to think this guy was going anywhere, so he wouldn't know which way would be sufficient for stepping aside. Do you want the kid to just turn and run away in random directions? There is nothing in that area that forced him to walk up to that particular kid. He's outside, not in a cramped hallway.
As usual, and they did it intentionally.
They did it eagerly because it fit their favorite narrative: white males being mean to people of color. If they have a chance to tell that story, they run with it. No journalism or investigation required.
Let's listen to the people who are responsible for the boys:
We may assume, I think, that the diocese has had reports from the adults who accompanied the boys.
Those adults are responsible for letting those young men get out of line and they should step up.
Exactly.
You can assume anything you want. Sadly, the actual evidence doesn't support your position. People are forced/terrorized into making false apologies all too often these days. The facts refute the fake news narrative.
The young men should have just ignored the old drum beater, but being young men.....
What would that look like? The guy is literally beating a drum in the kid's face. The kid is saying anything. He isn't batting the drum away like I would have. He is standing still and trying to do as little as possible. That's about as close to "ignoring" as I think we could reasonably expect. What more would you like him to do or not do?
Why should we assume that? Why should we assume they had any information beyond initial news reports that demonized buys who did not go out of their way to bother anyone?
Actually I assume that, considering all the negative publicity the RCC has had lately, they had a litter of kittens out of fear and made that statement before they had any actual facts. They threw those kids under the bus for expedience. If I were one of those boys parents, I'd be demanding that whoever the people were who decided to stab those boys in the back were thrown out. What these people did is inexcusable. These boys are getting death threats for something they didn't do. These people threw these boys to the wolves to save themselves. Pathetic!
You do realize that you are assuming the 180° opposite of what this religious organization has said? You're assuming that this religious organization is cynical, dishonest, and disloyal?
Do you think so poorly of religious institutions?
(The Covington Catholic web site has been down since yesterday afternoon, and is still down this morning at 6 AM.)
Apparently you don't realize you are arguing from authority, a logical fallacy. That is, the basis for diocese being right in your opinion is that it is a religious organization.
I think they screwed these boys because of the timing. I think they made their condemnation because all they saw was the gross mischaracterization initially distributed by an irresponsible MSM. They didn't bother with actually finding out the facts. They shot first and asked questions later and, in my opinion, they did so in order to keep as much shit from sticking to them as they could. Their concern was for themselves and the image of the school rather than the boys.
Not at all. I'm not invoking anyone. I think you need to re-read the definition of "arguing from authority".
I said nothing on the sort.
... but you have no evidence at all...
Really? You even underlined "religious" when referring to the organization that made the statement. What was the purpose of that except to lend some sort of credibility to their condemnation of the boys simply on the basis of being a religious organization?
Okay.
So, let's look at what you said.
The fact that you used the word "religious" is enough to prove the fallacy, but you even underlined it. You specifically and intentionally drew attention to the fact that the condemnation was from a religious organization, as if that fact somehow lent credence to what they said in their condemnation.
I don't like to be wrong. I think carefully about what I say and, having thought carefully, I can't imagine any other motive for what you said. That doesn't mean there isn't another motive. So, I await you explanation.
Stating that you didn't isn't enough. That is, isn't enough in the public sphere. It may satisfy you, but it doesn't do a thing as to explaining why anyone should believe it.
Actually, I do, and I already gave it. The timing. The condemnation of the boys came too fast for them to have viewed other sources. It seems obvious to me this was a knee jerk reaction to perceived negative perceptions of the school itself.
You should also read posts more carefully.
At no point did I endorse anything the diocese said. So there's no invocation of anyone... and no argument from authority.
Well, gosh. Who could argue with such a cogently argued rebuttal???
You could argue. You could argue.
You could keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper...
Death threats for the kid and his family!
Hooray for the left wing lynch mob!
Well, maybe you missed where Phillips was getting them already. So I guess there were no winners.
There usually isn't when someone tries to mediate a fight.
My nephew found that out the hard way when he was arrested trying to do about the same thing. He was charged with assault, he claims he was struck first and was defending himself, eventually the charges were dropped.
I told him he should have picked up his phone and called 911 instead. He said next time he will.
As responsible media starts back tracking from the story and issuing apologies to the defamed kids, it's interesting to see the usual left wing hate mongers dig into their fake story. They ignore the videos, they ignore that Phillips was already caught lying about it, they ignore eye witness testimony from their "side," and hide behind old statements, lies etc...
Facts don't matter to them. It's Michael Brown all over.
Yep, all because they were wearing Maga Hats...... This is what passes for journalism nowadays....
Oh, we've had the krystalnacht several times here in Seattle and the Puget sound area already....
Left wing internet mob attacks wrong family.
Can’t wait for the MSM to make this national news...
oh wait it’s not a kid smirking.
A left wing mob. We've seen those before.
Amazing how people supposedly of the same species and shit,
can't see and interpret what transpired in a pretty damn cut n dry incident,
even, oddly enuff, even close, cause they must make a special pair of glasses to come off with such an anti-reality pseudo sided alcohaulin ass imbibe it perceptional interpretation oof a perpendicular incongruent to see
incongruency , that not all incongruents,
can actually see
Please put down the bottle or pipe, you're incoherent.
I am sorry this event happened .. yet I think society has such a strong need to blame others for any perceived slight .. everything becomes racist, bigoted .. this desperation to blame has caused individuals to view the 'white' males in red hats to be full of hate ...
I have now watched various videos on the event .. none were as clear as the blatant lie told by the Stoneman Douglas father regarding Kavanaugh withdrawing his extended hand … but I will step out on the limb and say the original media coverage I read and saw was highly deceptive in nature by blaming the students for the events..
This was such a significant event that this is how it ended …
Imagine that, an adult walking away .. remember how the Stoneman Douglas teens as they were firing up their brand could not be 'picked on' because they were 'kids'... ? Remember all those evil adults that made fun of, or criticized them? Remember how those 'adults' were treated … I think the MAGA hats were a catalyst - not anything the boys actually or supposedly did .. the one male was rude, and who knows what he was thinking with that silly look on his face.... I did not see any 'hate' in his eyes, as has been projected in an article or 2 ….
Thankfully not all of society feels the desperate NEED to be offended by any and everything … there are some of 'us' left in society that do not see hate, racism and bigotry lurking around every corner -
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/‘it-was-getting-ugly’-native-american-drummer-speaks-on-the-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/ar-BBStegc?ocid=spartanntp
I certainly did not witness Phillips trying to defuse anything - the man is an activist .. more that one activists knows that ones message can be heard louder through conflict .. I am willing to bet that if not for the red hats … none of this would have happened - from the videos I have seen that the adults behavior was far more appalling than the ignorant behavior of the young people, yet all anyone is shown is the young males behavior (what the 'adults' did and how they behaved is shameful .. all cause by a red hat?)
I have been concerned that as a society. 'we' have become to quick to judge .. the actions I saw taken by the media, activists and the general public over the weekend, shows me my concern is well founded..
Peace
A chaperone should have intervened minutes into this. Should have never let someone approach a child in that manner. The adult wasn't alone approaching the children. This could have escalated quickly into something bad. Bad judgement all around by adults.
Correct me if I am wrong BUT the best most recent reporting I have read says that in response to those boys being harassed by the Black Israelites the boy's chaperone approve the boy's responding by very loudly chanting their school chant which apparently involves a mock Native chantw and whoops punctuated by enthusiastc air indian tomahawk chops...
This seems either suspicious considering they were at a Native American event. Either that or they meant to be offensive. Still, that shows those boys were being, um, chaperoned. The problem is their chaperones broght them there to cause trouble to begin with and even egged them on. Explain that.
Also, it seems damn lame to blame a handful of Dumbass Black Isrealites for a hundred white boys disrupting a sacred Native ritual. Yep, seems that way to me. You?
I am sure it does.
The chaperones should have intervened immediately when the adults approached the children. I would be furious at these chaperones for not acting, if it had been my child in the group.
Still nobody is addressing the fact that large numbers of those schoolboys can plainly be seen and heard mocking peaceful Native Americans with dumbass fake Indian war cries and stupid disrespectful tomahawk chops. Those boys should have acted respectfully regardless of any bad acts by another much smaller group of troublemakers. The Native American's event should not have been disrupted by either the Catholic schoolboys or those few fakeass Black Israelites.
Blaming a dignified Native for all those white kids behavior is...Deplorable.
DC is full of police cameras and photo radar and red light cameras, did any of these government cameras pick up any thing?
More 'Fake News'...this goes into the 'unsubstantiated' and 'IF it's true' pile of crap doled out by those who are quick to spout judgements without bothering to check facts.
MSM has seriously devolved and isn't showing any signs of getting back on track with reporting FACTS only.
The liberal media and their fellow travelers keep proving Trump right. Fake news again.
One would think that the media would find some integrity and clean up their act, but they only get worse each passing day. And then there are those who slop it up for their daily TDS feeding.
I keep trying to think of a reason they 'should' get back on track, sensationalism sells, drives ratings - in 'society' at this moment that is all that is needed .. when one is told what fits ones point of view .. one no longer has to think critically, just be spoon fed what becomes their 'thoughts' .. YAY a group think of partisanship .. what could possibly go wrong?
After having watched the entire video it's clear that there is plenty of fault to go around in this sad situation. The black Israelites were the instigators originally, they were definitely taunting the group of white males, several of whom were wearing MAGA hats, when the native American Vietnam vet intervenes, attempting to disrupt the tense situation which then led to himself being the target of racially insensitive taunting and chanting from the teens. Doing an native American chant and a tomahawk chop directly at a Native American with a smirk on your face is the native American equivalent of a group of white males smirking and laughing at black Americans while pretending to pick cotton and sing slave songs.
So the black Israelites were the ones who started the conflict, the white teens chose not to diffuse the situation by turning away and ignoring the instigators and as things began to escalate the leader of the native American group there chose to get in between them and deescalate the situation which he was only partially successful since he did divert the built up ire of the white teens after interceding. The fact remains that the smug faces, veiled racist chants and "chop" coming from the white MAGA wearing teens speaks volumes to the fact that Trumps base, and their children, tend to be either openly bigoted or blindly insensitive.
Your statement simply continues the media's intended story. Expecting a group of teens to be the 'responsible' party in all of this is comical. It is unfortunate that adults chose to target teens because of their race and apparel.
Yes, the teens were wrong to do as many have seen in the Atlanta Braves stadium and at other sporting events by chanting and doing the tomahawk chop. Perhaps their parents and educators can give them a lesson as to why they were wrong to do so. Of course, with so many eager to erase the 'bad and offensive' out of history...educators will be left to teach on a 'case by case' basis. Having seen the entire video - the confronted teen did not chant nor did he do the chop while the Native American was in his face. His smirk can be seen as nerves. If you were in that teens shoes - what would you have done?
The Native American didn't intervene...he made his way into the face of a MAGA hat wearing teen for a reason. This adult knew that doing the same in the face of a Black Hebrew Israelite would not be very liberal media worthy.
The real blame belongs to the MSMs jump to judgement...followed by the gullible public that chooses to continue the judgements based on race, apparel and severe political bias.
In one way, I view this as a very beneficial incident as far as this board goes.
It has pulled the covers of several members....
Can't hide their hate anymore...
I resent that. I have never mentioned hate, or maga, or any other BS that has been brought into this discussion. I brought up, manners, elders, respect. Gee, I didn't know those values were no longer valuable.
Exactly.
I am not aware of any world where it is right for adults to intimidate and harass kids. Perhaps you are correct. Defense of these adults intimidating kids must be based on left or right...not right or wrong.
No you haven't except for your disgust for the kids... disgust is a form of hate, and if you do not consider it as such at least it is emotional animosity.
Not a lot of respect from any side in that mess although I think the boys were being as respectful as teenage boys can or will be....
It doesn't matter how old someone is respect is earned. It is not automatic. Being considerate of the elderly is not the respect that one is looking for here.
one last thing, resentment is a choice.... it is also a form of hate.
Since she is responding to me, what is MY agenda? since you know me so well.
Sunshine,
Harassment is what they Black Israelites were doing. Calling the boys names and mocking them. It is not an old indian, playing a drum and singing a song. But some punk kid getting in his way while other step aside and smirking at him is a brat and nothing more. I have never seen or heard so much defence of a spoiled child in my life. I would have never let a student of mine do this, or a child of mine.
No disgust for A KID, not kids. I have kids of my own and they would have never done this to an adult.
No, it's manners. Do you not give up your seat for a pregnant woman or hold doors for other people? These are common courtesies and respect. They do not need to be earned which is why the other boys stood aside and this one did not.
Where did I say resentment? Please find me that post. And resentment is not a form of hate. They are not even synonyms.
I didn't defend the child, I said the adult had no right to harass this child or approach him, with his entourage of other adults, just because he wouldn't move. Take it up with another adult. Just because you are a "senior" doesn't give one the right to intimidate a kid. The "senior" could have acted like an adult and continued around the boy.
And from one act you have deemed the kid spoiled...surprised coming from a teacher.
And society has been saying the same things about teenagers for the last 200 years. (can't leave out the girls)
But then that is why they are teens, they haven't a clue but think they do......
Yet you expect them to act as adults.... no demand that they should act as adults....
No one is giving a pass on anything, it is the nature of the beast so to speak...
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I am referring to what you are implying about people like me. And yes I do. If I wanted to say hate, I would have. I never used that word about the kids.
This is a private prep school. Not a hard deduction to make. btw.. that high school costs 10K a kid a year.
Which is the very last word there. It could also mean:
bitterness, indignation, irritation, pique, displeasure, dissatisfaction, disgruntlement, discontentment, discontent, resentfulness, bad feelings, hard feelings, ill feelings, acrimony, rancor, animosity, hostility, jaundice, antipathy, antagonism, enmity.
If I wanted to say hate, I would have. There are very few things I would use the word hate for. I pick my words carefully.
When was the last time you were on the NYC subway? I step aside on a regular basis. Besides, the Indians had the right to be there. You seem to miss that point.
And this wasn't a crowded subway car....
I believe the set of steps they were on is over 150' wide coming off the mall towards the Lincoln memorial.
so there was plenty of room to go around or take a different course rather than one that put him squarely face to face...
What was the Indian trying to prove?...
Your not stepping on any toes. (at least not mine) And your commentary, although not clearly pointed, is right on the money....
No worries....
You were being attacked verbally. How does that relate to a guy singing with a drum? A guy who had the right to be there.
Why is the boy "standing his ground"? He's supposedly waiting for a bus. Is one spot better than another, when waiting for a bus?
The old man was moving very slowly. "Aggression" and "slowly" don't go together very well.
Why did the boy not move?
I think this is known as "passive-aggressive". With emphasis on "aggressive".
"Standing his ground" lol.
Well he's wearing a Trump hat so maybe he did feel it was his patriotic duty to smirk at a man banging an American Indian drum. It was the kid's duty to defend the greatness of America !..... s.
Which is really what this is all about.
Standing in place is more aggressive than slowly walking walking toward someone?
This is quickly becoming very, very funny.
In the midst of his teenager buddies, war-whooping, fake-Injun dancing, tomahawk gesturing,.... Yes, certainly.
Ok, so context matters.
How about someone telling you to go back to Europe while walking toward you? That’s not aggressive?
Nowadays, we have a lot of Americans intent on keeping newcomers out. Why should Native Americans feel differently?
Did "go back to Europe" occur before or after the boys did their mocking "war-dance", and whooping, and tomahawk gesturing?
If it did, does that change your perception?
Yes. In the place of the Native Americans, I'd want to give the children a well-deserved spanking. If all they actually did was to protest the theft of their land, I'd say they were pretty lenient.
I can't deal anymore. I have to wonder what is wrong with people when they can't see that the kid was the provocateur. In any other circumstance, they would. But this all comes down to either race or politics for so many of you, that I am just shocked. To excuse bad behavior at any costs for an agenda is just really poor form.
I really feel sorry for this nation, that this is what it comes down to. What a sad time.
Bingo!
Appears to be a he said he said .. once the perspective is altered via a fresh lens, the instigator becomes unclear .. how was Phillips blocked by Sandmann .. Phillips walked directly into a box canyon of people ….
SO can one of you vets let me know if Marine "recon rangers" deployed 17 year olds to Vietnam after the Marines were withdrawn in June 1971? Because if he truly as old as he says, he must have lied about his birth date to sign up in time to be deployed prior to June 1971.
Interesting.
Now you are complaining about the man's age?
lol
Calm down Sean.
As I have stated I think Nathan Phillips is a fraud.
He had a incident 3 years ago when he was out walking minding his own business looking for firewood to supplement his income when some guys at a frat party dressed in "Indian" garb called him over then berated and assaulted him...…
There is more to his other sob story.
You should read the link
Sean - Marines were still in 'Nam in April '75 - (E . H . SIMMONS, Brigadier General, U . S . Marine Corps (Ret. ) Director of Marine Corps History and Museum - "The Marines in Vietnam") -
Phillips is a liar....
There is no question he can't keep his story straight between media outlets......
In my day, that would qualify as lying.....
Hence why some of the major medias are backing out.....
A lie is a lie......
And since he's a professional, he knows it is a lie while he is saying it
So much for factual contenrt
Openly admitted liberal journalist says left wing media has lied about this incident and the kids are owed an apology
Am I the only one who thinks this entire thing is fuckin stupid? Fuck the kids, and fuck the native dude, none of this matters.
None of it matters, I'm more pissed that I initially fell for it, but by that time I was embroiled and angry.
If I offended anyone please accept my apologies. I know some of you won't, but please consider it anyways....
I did too. I want to apologize to you. I am human and my temper got a little riled up.
Who is the Native American Vietnam Vet?
I don't know what you mean ''the'' but I'm American Indian Vet..RA by the way. 1959/1965.
Some of these idiots haven't a clue how many American Indians served in our services. I served with many in Nam and they were all the best, right after they got used to jumping out of airplanes
PFC Reynaldo Bright Star, USMC, WIA, American Indian (Ojibwe/Metis/Modoc) and my son. Semper Fi.
You must be very proud of him.
Hell....I've never met him and I'M proud of him.
Thank you for your service and thank him for his.
Thank you Jack.
Great picture my friend, you can see "ready willing and able" in his eyes....
A true defender of this nation warts and all....
Yes thank him and thank you.....
Oh, this is too perfect. Turns out the family of of the Future Fascist of America's Up-'n-Comer of the Week, 'Nick the Prick' Sandmann hired a rightwing PR firm to create a false narrative for this little f**ktard's behavior. It's probably where the carefully edited videos that our rightgwing pals here have been using to try lie this kid's way out of the shit:
As to the smearing of Mr. Phillips by ridiculing his claim to being a Vietnam vet v. an "era" vet, it always refreshes my disgust to witness rightwingers who never served at all attacking those who did in order to score political points. It really just reminds us of what chickenshits they were then and are now.
Only the most ignorant, hateful fool of an individual, would wear a hat that has indisputably become associated with ethnic cleansing, white nationalism and racial "purity" (Note the comments of Rep. Steve King-R-Iowa, Trump, Miller, et al) while mocking a Native American … when he, the one guilty of mockery, is himself the descendent of immigrants!
Further, the fool's religiously-"educated" classmates, contrary to all their Savior's teachings, egged the grinning-idiot on with hatchet-chopping in the air.
Quote from King …
• "THE WALL" was not Trump's idea! It is Congressman Stephen King’s (R-IOWA) idea, and, based on the long history of his own words, represents a symbol of "white nationalism".
King, is under fire for statements asserting that "we should be protecting our 'superior civilization' from immigrants … ”. And, when it comes to a border wall, he has a conflict-of-interests, having built a miniature model while saying he’s ready to have his family’s construction company start work on the real thing.
Defenders of the wall, often avoid addressing facts, respond instead with Trumpian, dismissive demagoguery like … ”Immigrants come from s___t hole countries.” Typically, when asked about a wall that would take years to build in order to fix a so-called crisis that exists now … we likely get more “s___t holes" commentary. In King's own words … "At a mile a day, working 365 days a year, building a 2,000-mile wall would take a little under six years."
King’s plan is best understood in conjunction with his nationalist comments, like a tweet in declaring, “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies,” one provoking widespread criticism from political figures including Republicans, but drawing expressions of support from white nationalists. In an interview with CNN, King said, “Western civilization is a superior civilization. You’ve got to keep your birth rate up, and … you need to teach your children your values, and in doing so, then you can grow your population and you can strengthen your culture,” he said.
After years of such King-pronouncements, REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS have had a “come-to-Jesus” removing King from all congressional committee assignments!
In reality, the greatest single, population violating American immigration law, is that of white individuals from Canada and elsewhere, who overstay their visas! Consequently, In my opinion then, the border wall seems to be more about ethnic purity than national security.
Pretty broad brush there my friend painting everyone not a liberal with the racist "King" mantra....
What about the black racists attacking the juveniles on the Capital mall? any words for them?
I was very specific targeting the MAGA hat mentality with references to its prototypical wearers, and, to how it fits into the article's incident involving a disrespectful, grinning MAGA boy (who likely got to be one because of MAGA mommy and daddy Trumpians) -- and ironically, himself a descendant of immigrants mocking a Native American.
King's white nationalism, Trump's and other stated allegiances to King, along with a Republican party that failed until very recently to denounce his ideology and ethnic purity incantations, define who they have been and raise skepticism regarding their sincerity.
In 2014, as Trump was mulling a run for president, he made an appearance in Iowa with King , calling him a “special guy, a smart person, with really the right views on almost everything,” and noting that their views on the issues were so similar that “we don’t even have to compare notes.”
No broad brush on my part …
What about the black racists attacking the juveniles on the Capital mall? any words for them?
All racists are assholes varying in degrees and origins. A black racist is merely a differently-complected one from a white racist.
There is no excuse for sucking up to anyone willing to give him support politically, a severe lack of character in my opinion. No argument there. I don't know if it makes T-rump a racist, but can accept that in most liberals eyes it does.... In my opinion racism is a personal decision, and I've never met the man so have no basis to judge....
Thank you for the clarification, we are still on the same page on this issue....
C'mon Mac,
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and
Get a GRIP, on more than the feeble minds of the minions,
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especially with ALL money has boughtz.
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blotted out by one or more of his suns,
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Oh good grief … this is why we can't have intelligent debates based on the realities.
As for "ethnic cleansing," " the mass expulsion (or killing) of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society" … isn't that King's and Trump's stated or implied objective?
[ Deleted ] regarding "ethnic purity," a belief that human races have distinctive characteristics that determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's race is superior and has the right to control others.
King's statements … those I've posted herein and others he's made over time, embody the very essence of ethnic purity ideology.
Don't mock me because you neither agree with nor understand points I make wit clarity and specificity; we get too damned much of that in these discussions.
'He's so openly racist': why does Iowa keep electing Steve King to Congress?
The eight-term congressman has Donald Trump’s backing, and looks likely to be re-elected in November’s midterms despite his ties to European far-right
Steve King, eight-term Republican congressman, has a national reputation for being a hard-liner on immigration. Photograph: Tom Williams/CQ-Roll Call,Inc.
In the course of frequent trips abroad and by hosting at least one reciprocal trip, King has struck up alliances with controversial figures in Austria, Germany, Hungary, Holland, France and the UK . Some of those figures trade in the kinds of appeals to cultural purity and a scapegoating of immigrants and minorities in which historians hear ominous echoes of the political catastrophes of the 20th century.
The "wow" here is either your ignorance of the facts, or, your lack of understanding regarding "ethnic purity," a belief that human races have distinctive characteristics that determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's race is superior and has the right to control others.
King's statements … those I've posted herein and others he's made over time, embody the very essence of ethnic purity ideology.
Don't mock me because you neither agree with nor understand points I make wit clarity and specificity; we get too damned much of that in these discussions.
'He's so openly racist': why does Iowa keep electing Steve King to Congress?
The eight-term congressman has Donald Trump’s backing, and looks likely to be re-elected in November’s midterms despite his ties to European far-right
Steve King, eight-term Republican congressman, has a national reputation for being a hard-liner on immigration. Photograph: Tom Williams/CQ-Roll Call,Inc.
In the course of frequent trips abroad and by hosting at least one reciprocal trip, King has struck up alliances with controversial figures in Austria, Germany, Hungary, Holland, France and the UK . Some of those figures trade in the kinds of appeals to cultural purity and a scapegoating of immigrants and minorities in which historians hear ominous echoes of the political catastrophes of the 20th century.