Battle Of The Cults - Turmoil At The Lincoln Memorial
first , some evidence
One of the five Black Hebrews filmed much of what happened, thus a 1 hour and 42 minute video. Unfortunately, for the purposes of determining exactly what occurred once the Native American elder came into closer contact with the white students this video is of less help because it was filmed from the black hebrews point of view. It does however give a general context for how all the brouha started. I watched almost all of the 1 hr 42 minute video.
This was a very interesting turn of events in the Lincoln Memorial Plaza that day.
In the beginning a group of Black Hebrews, a black racist sect , is attempting to draw attention to their message. The leader is ranting away with an endless stream of racial stereotypes and insults aimed at , well, everyone who is not them. Most of this plays like a vicious stand up comedy act. At first almost no one is paying them any attention, but there is a middling size gathering of Indigenous people marchers gathering at what appears to be about 125-150 feet away. The black agitators insult these people freely and a few of the native American activists approach the blacks and there is a little give and take of insults and 'dialogue'. A few minutes later the black narrator (the person holding the camera doing the filming) begins to comment on the "billies" and "crackers" (maybe 10 kids) who are standing off about 75 feet to the right of the black hebrews.
Although this long black filmed video works as low 'comedy', its best use for our purposes is to show how the vibe around this plaza developed during the hour and 15 minutes before the native American elder has his "incident" with the Catholic school boys. The black racists are agitating and trying to draw a crowd and certainly trying to be provocative. Although it does take many many minutes, they do eventually drum up a fair amount of onlookers. In the beginning the number of the white high school students is small, but as the time they were supposed to rendevous with their bus home gets closer, the number of students meeting up grows considerably (they were arriving) , and they generally position themselves on a set of steps which lead up to the Lincoln Memorial. There appears to be maybe a 100 kids there.
At one point, well into the black shot video, one of the white kids jumps in front of the group of his fellow students, rips his short off , and does some sort of caveman or 'braveheart' dance, beating his chest so to speak. This seems to embolden the white kids who begin to chant at the black hebrews, who are maybe 30 yards away from these stairsteps. It is hard to hear what they kids are chanting, but at least one seems to be a football cheer for their school. For the next couple minutes the confrontation , which is a loose word for it, continues between the kids and the black hebrews who are taunting them with racist rants.
Many of the white kids become emboldened and they approach the blacks and a few dialogue with the blacks , but there is no hint of violence.
At about the 1:10:00 (1 hr ten minutes) mark of the video, we see in the background the Native American elder approach the group of students that were on the stairsteps, and he is hitting his drum and singing. The black with the camera comments on this and says the white students are mocking this "old man". The students do sort of "surround the Native American, although it is questionable if this was with a menacing intent or simply that some of them wanted to get closer to see what was going on.
This ends the usefulness of the black hebrew video.
We then can look at footage in the other videos.
It appears that what happened here is that Nathan Phillips, a Native American activist took it upon himself to approach the white boys. He says he wanted to diffuse a dangerous situation, but frankly, there is a real question as to just how much "danger" was there at this scene. The black hebrews had been ranting for well over an hour and there was no physical confrontation between themselves or anyone else at any point during that time.
It is not unfair to say that Phillips initiated his interaction with the boys. It is also questionable if one can honestly say they "surrounded" him with malicious intent.
However, the video shows a teen in a MAGA hat getting in Nathan Phillips face. We know that this was intentional from the smirking stare the boy has throughout. He is enjoying his "confrontation" with this old Indian. Other boys are seen laughing and whooping it up in the background. Some apologists are saying that the boys were showing some sort of solidarity with the Indian man. I find that entirely unbelievable.
There is also on one of the videos a snippet of an Indian who was with Phillips telling one of the white kids to "go back to Europe" and they exchange words. Why a 40 year old would engage in such back and forth with a 16 or 17 year old is a mystery.
Later Phillips gave a couple interviews where he berated the boys. I didnt see anything of him berating the black hebrews who set the stage for all of this.
I'm not sure that anyone was clothed in glory from this incident.
But it does show us we are "not in Kansas" anymore. Video of happenings such as this is changing the way many people look at the world around them.
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The boy who is in Nathan Phillips face has released a long letter proclaiming his innocence. He clearly did not write himself and it is mostly laughable.
I have given this a lot of thought, and I think both sides are using this incident improperly and distorting what happened.
MSNBC has given a couple of erroneous sounding segments about this story this morning. The video speaks for itself in this sense.
Nathan Phillips approached these boys, and from some of the other comments he has made, I think it was with the intent to confront them, not "calm" the situation.
Wow JR, you are the last one I would expect to admit this was "fake news".
what is "fake news" ?
In my opinion, just about everything the left wing media puts out.
John, you deviated from the script.
You can't admit Phillips' friend was harassing the boys as Phillips approached. The video lies. Per the approved history, he's a saint who stops fights by invading the personal space of boys and aggressively beating a drum in their faces without explaining what he's doing. It's totally normal for adults to walk up to strange teenage boys and beat drums in their faces and the boys should have intuitively known what he was doing. .
Don't be silly you know Anderson Cooper is "Fake news"
But yeah it is hillaryious watching all these left wing sites trying to change the narrative they put out though.
I still can't believe that with all these reports about the teens chanting build that wall that nothing has turned up yet? Gee I wonder if it is because Nathan Phillips is a professional victim and he made that shit up?
Amazing that you can't stay on topic
Thanks for your comment.
I titled this article "battle of the cults" because there is a cult of black racists, a cult of MAGA followers (young people no less), and something of a cult of political correctness that has surrounded the reportage of this incident.
MAGA followers are following an immoral buffoon who has repeatedly insulted native Americans.
Why can we not just be a cult of human beings?
Pass me the Kool Aid please.
A bunch of Catholic school kids helping out on a pro-life, pro-women march are in no way "cultists".
Please give us an example of when Trump has insulted Native Americans? Bet you can't do it.
Pro-life and pro-women do not belong in the same sentence. The reality is that a certain percentage of these 'boys' will go on to be complicit in at least one abortion in their lifetime.
Please give us an example of when Trump has insulted Native Americans? Bet you can't do it.
"Pocahontas" is extremely insulting to the NA community. You know this.
Thus ends the "open minded" portion of the thread.
Riiiiigt - because denying a rape victim the right to abort their rapist's baby is pro-women.
So as I said.....no chance of open-mindedness.
Why don't you address my comment? Because there is no defense for the attempt to deny a rape victim an abortion.
All of his "pocohantas" comments about Elizabeth Warren are insulting to native Americans. His rush to approve the pipeline in the midst of American Indian protests over it was an insult to native Americans. He has made comments about American Indians ownership of casinos that is insulting to them.
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It is one thing to hold your nose and vote for Trump in 2016, it is another thing entirely to support the lying , psychologically disturbed sack of shit in 2019.
These kids are aping their parents.
Because you are attempting to pick a fight over an issue totally unrelated to the seed, and about which you are not willing to consider any view but your own. You have decided that people who think differently than you are less than you, and you simply want to scream at the sky about it.
And you started off doing so well........
Yes or no? Is it a pro-women stance to deny a rape victim an abortion? I'm not the one who stupidly put "pro-women" in the same category as "pro-life". If you want to attack those who purposely introduce nonsense ideology into a "totally unrelated" seed, then start with your compatriots.
No one is doing that. She can go to Planned Parenthood.
The truth lands where it lands. As a Catholic, I'm embarrassed that a Catholic high school let their kids go out in public with that garbage on their heads, but I suppose there are first amendment considerations. Plus they are from Kentucky.
No it was insulting to Lizzie Warren, who falsely claimed to be of Native American ancestor. As for the pipeline it has already been approved, and they had to claim to the lands involved.
Really, the EIS was not approved - hence, neither was the pipeline until Trump over-rode that decision.
John has written and seeded this article, in which he has represented multiple views from multiple people on various sides of this situation that turned out to be a non-conflict.
We all know that's not a usual thing for him, and I'm sure it was probably more difficult for him than his normal seeds. He's clearly spent some time on it. While I don't agree with all of his assessments, he deserves credit for thoughtfully considering views other than the ones he already holds.
You, by contrast, have landed on two words in a sentence and immediately started pressing the idea that people who do not adhere to your political views are evil and lesser humans than you.
An openminded person would be able to describe how people with views different to their own arrive at those views. They would invest the intellectual effort to understand, rather than angrily declare wholesale condemnation of tens of millions of people they've never met.
You, by contrast, are so desperate to have a fight you've reduced the issue to a brainless, binary "yes or no".
This article is clearly intended to encourage open-minded discussion. I encourage you to try it.
The kid who stood in the Native America elder's face and smirked did it intentionally. To say there was no need for that it would be putting it lightly.
I do think that some media reports that suggested the boys initiated the contact were very erroneous.
It is never difficult for me to tell truth. For example, Trump is a lying buffoon.
Look at those dance moves! All that bobbing and weaving must be making you dizzy. Again - there is no argument for blindly using the terms ‘pro-women’ and ‘pro-life’ together, yet you are rushing to defend your fellow conservative’s vacuous attempt to do so, with even more vacuous reasoning.
I'm not 100% sure he was smirking. To look at things slightly differently, he's a junior in high school so he's only 16 or 17. He has stated that he was smiling to try to let the elder know he wasn't a threat. But as he's as young as he is, he's also probably rather nervous and scared. So the "smirk" may also be a nervous smile.
From his statement he was trying to help diffuse the situation, just like Nathan Phillips has said he was trying to do. As neither of us can read minds, it's difficult to say definitely what was going on. So it seems that if we are willing to take one person at his word in this, we need to take both of them at their words considering the volume of video that exists as well as how it all ended.
I see it differently.
Earlier you said this:
So Phillips walks over to this kid playing a drum. Cool. Keep in mind....we're in a tourist environment where people specifically come to celebrate the breadth and diversity of culture that makes up the fabric of our nation. It's a national "feel good" spot.
The normal person's thought process in such a situation is that this guy is coming over here to play for us and share a little of his culture and proud heritage. Way cool. He's demonstrating the peace of Native American culture in contrast to the racist bile of those other people shouting racial slurs.
So if you're this kid......what do you do here?
Walking away would have been impolite. Had the boy walked off, he'd be lambasted for being disrespectful to Native American culture. If it were my son and he walked off in that situation, I'd be all over his ass for being rude. That conversation would have gone something like "Private concert, unique opportunity for a great experience, a man sharing his heritage and a vital part of American heritage, and you turn your back on that....WTF is the matter with you? Go apologize right now."
The boy can't shake his hand or otherwise offer a physical gesture of approval because Phillips is busy playing the drum.
Sitting there stone faced or frowning is less acceptable than smiling.
So how is he supposed to act? So how then, is he supposed to show approval? What's a realistic expectation for a teenage kid? I would argue it's "stand there politely and smile a bit".
Really? That's the objection? "Looking" at somebody?
I wasn't talking about you telling the truth. I was talking about you acknowledging that your political tribe does not have a monopoly on it.
Still desperately searching for a fight. Still miles out of your depth, seeking an argument you lack the capacity to win. Still pretending your politics make others less than you. I'm not sure which of those engenders more pity.
Is this satire? The kid could have easily stepped away.
It is obvious that the kid "smiles" at him as a gesture of defiance.
He could easily have screamed a racial slur in Phillips' face, too. But both of those would have been impolite.
Do you have children? The kid is more probably smiling because he's in a very awkward situation, doesn't know what to make of it and can't keep a straight face. That's a very common response for teenagers. They're goofy.
Jack_TX has already given you more attention than you deserve. This post from me is more than you deserve, but I will give you this one, and only one, in the forlorn hope that it somehow opens your eyes.
Someone can be pro-woman and pro-life without any difficulty at all. The proof is that there are millions of women who feel they are both. Your problem is that, in your view, one must support abortion in order to be pro-woman. This is not the case. It is merely your definition. No one else is required to adopt your definition. If 75% of the population had your view of what pro-woman means, the other 25% would still be free to define it the way they wished to. To put that in terms you might understand, if 75% of women, or the population as a whole, believed pro-woman meant that women have the right to drown defective children at birth, the other 25% would not be required to believe that was pro-woman. They are perfectly within their rights to believe we do not have the right to drown "defective" children and still be pro-woman.
You see, or rather, you don't see that this is a moral issue and not a political one. Trying to insist that one must be for abortion in order to be pro-woman is a political statement.
That little diatribe was a hot mess. Drowning babies? Really?? Wtf does that have to do with anything? If that is the pretzel that you have to twist yourself into to attempt defending the denial of a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy brought about by being violently raped, then I can't help you … nobody can help you. How embarrassing and sickening for you and your ilk.
The proof is that there are millions of women who feel they are both.
So what you are saying is that it's okay if your side defines the terms. There are women who so pro-life that they would choose to keep a baby of a violent rapist, therefore pro-life and pro-woman are consistent with one another? No. That is not how this works. Those who are pro-choice are not trying to force anyone to have an abortion. Those who are pro-life ARE trying to force EVERY woman to NOT have an abortion. That is NOT pro-woman, by definition alone.
True, but it is equally true that Mr. Phillips could have moved around the boy. What is inarguable is that the boy never made a move toward Mr. Phillips. Mr. Phillips moved to the boy. It is Mr. Phillips who initiated the situation.
Have you attempted to look at this from the boys point of view? Boys plural? They had spent some amount of time being the subject of verbal abuse from one group. Now, another group not only approaches, but forces their way into them. There is only chanting and drum banging from this group and no other indication as to why they are doing what they are doing. Is it unreasonable to you to believe that, as far as the boys understand the situation, this is another attack of some sort?
We, after the fact, have Mr. Phillips words as to why he did what he did. But, in those moments of confrontation, do you really think it is reasonable to expect those kids to assume those reasons for Mr. Phillips actions? I, for one, don't think so.
Further, having read a number of after the fact interviews with Mr. Phillips, it is clear to me that, not only did he totally misread what was going on between the kids and the Black Hebrew Israelite group, he projected political views upon the kids that there was no evidence to support. In doing so, in my opinion, it completely distorted what he saw as to how the kids were acting.
Yes. That was a sticking point for me as well. The look on the kid's face. It disturbed me. For me, the problem was, what was he thinking? According to the statement he released, the reason for it was that he wasn't going to be provoked into something inappropriate. Now, I totally recognize that this may not have been what he was actually thinking. It may be a self serving explanation in order to save himself. The thing is, however, since none of us are him, we cannot know with certainty what was the actual reason, in his mind. I find the explanation credible. Credible doesn't mean it's true, I know, but it is entirely possible.
That said, I agree that it is a gesture of defiance, and why not? From the perspective of the kids, given what I believe they understood of the situation at the time, how much crap do you expect them to take? Here is a stranger who moved into the kid's personal space, doing something he has no reason to understand as other than threatening, and somehow, he's in the wrong? I totally get why he smiled as he did. According to the numerous videos I saw, the boys acted commendably concerning the abuse they were getting from the Black Hebrew Israelites. And this kid acted commendably from a threatening situation he could not possibly understand the reason for.
I see, a 70 year old man who looks a little frail was a physical threat to 60 or 70 teenage boys.
If you say so.
You know, I can't quite figure you out. Sometimes you argue rationally, and then sometimes you say stuff like this. Defining "threatening" to mean only fear of imminent physical attack.
Can you honestly tell me that the kid doesn't feel some sort of threat from Mr. Phillips? Not just him but all those cameras recording? Mr. Phillips companion telling the other kids to go back to Europe? I know I would, and I'm 56. I don't mean I would be scared, I mean I would feel threatened. Especially since I didn't know why this was taking place.
As it turns out, according to Mr. Phillips own characterization of these kids, the kid had every right, every reason to feel threatened. Because of Mr. Phillips actions and the extremely irresponsible actions of the MSM, these kids lives may be ruined. They are receiving death threats, for crying out loud!
Which is the point of the article, and an accurate point, IMO.
At this point in time, I have to worry about anyone who takes issue with what I said.
Most pro life people support abortion in the event of a sufficiently severe deformity or the mothers life in danger. Many while not supporting do not oppose abortion in the event of incest or rape. While it is visiting capital punishment upon the child for the evil sins of the father, it is understandable and many won’t sit in judgement over that occurrence. I am in that group who supports the exceptions to my general opposition to abortion.
Concerned women for America. Pro women and pro life.
Still trying to push that pathetic group? No woman who respects women would support repressing women.
So, are you saying we should kill all women since the pro-choice crowd is about killing babies in the name of women and according to you, being pro-life is being anti-women?
Ahhhh - another "I HATE TRUMP" posting - next.
You can leave too.
I agree totally with you John. All three groups played a role in bringing this to an unnecessary head.
The black racists created an atmosphere of tension. The Native American group should have stayed in their lane so to speak. I understand the desire to interject but to be honest how would anyone know that it was a Native American prayer? Finally the MAGA kids should have done what I've always told my boys to do when they were younger. Which is, when confronted by an adult GO GET AN ADULT to handle it rather than looking disrespectful. I don't buy what the young man is saying. He was feeding off the energy of his peers and was enjoying being face to face with Mr. Phillips.
Yep.
This country is off it's rocker. A smirking kid who's been attacked by adults for an hour in a vile way is now public enemy number 1 to half the country.
Think about that. A TEENAGER SMIRKED at an ADULT and the internet lost it's mind. This happens millions of times a day across the country. But since he's wearing a MAGA hat, the hate mob and their allied media saw a situation to exploit, and boy did they ever.
You have adults hurling racial and homophobic insults at kids and the media and the left wing internet mob sets out to destroy the lives of the kids for smirking and not standing respectfully to someone telling them to get out of the country.
The adult protester lies to the media, calls the kids all sorts of names and the media glorifies him and talks about wanting to punch the kid.
At some point, the internet mob has to develop some sense of humanity and rationality, or it's going to get a lot worse.
It is an oxymoron of sorts as the internet and humanities infatuation with it are neither humane nor rational. I agree with most of what you say other than defining only the left as culprits of knee jerk reactions, it is left, right and upside down in my opinion.
Thought Police....coming to a city near you........
You're joking , right? Who attacked him? A tiny group of racist nutcases who were many many yards away? Did someone force him to stand there and listen to the Black Hebrews? The white kids could have walked to another section of that plaza any time they wanted.
Uhhh John - the "white" (your racist comment) were where their school told them to be to wait on their bus.
Your problem with the "white" (your racist comment) kids doing as they were told?
John, stop embarrassing yourself.
If it was 5 white guys in MAGA hats screaming racist insults at black teenagers, your response wouldn't be, "Did someone force him to stand there and listen to the white men? Those black kids could have walked to another section of that plaza any time they wanted." Everyone here knows you would want the white men in that scenario arrested for hate crimes and would consider the black kids a victim of a crime. The idea that you wouldn't describe the exact same behavior towards black kids as an attack is too preposterous to take seriously.
That's what so ridiculous about the story. IF any group of adults in the plaza had been the ones wearing MAGA hats and aced as the actual adults did, the media and the left wingers would be going berserk attacking the MAGA adults for what they did to the poor kids. Just imagine white adults telling minority kids to get out of the country. No honest person believes the left wingers would still be calling the white adults "peacemakers deserving respect."
This whole story is all about the hats and who is wearing them. No matter what the facts are, zealots are going to find a way to blame whoever is wearing MAGA hats.
You are fantasizing. White nazis shouted "Jews will not replace us" and none were arrested for it.
Only captive or, followed, people, can be harassed . No one in that plaza was either captive to or followed by the Black Hebrews. Every one of their listeners could have left. The fact is that it was a curiosity and an entertainment.
No, he's not. You, however, are rationalizing.
Whether or not anyone is actually arrested for a thing wasn't the point. Your reaction is. I think Sean is correct in how you would react, based on the numerous posts by you I have read.
Um, the videos quite conclusively demonstrate that people who have every right to be where they are can be harassed as well. Unless it is your position that, if I were to walk up to a beautiful woman waiting at a bus stop and started making sexually suggestive comments, it would only be harassment if I forced her to stay and listen to it or followed her if she left? Yes, it's a silly example, but it serves to show how silly your requirements are in order to be harassed.
After someone walks away from the harasser they are longer being harassed.
To say these students were being harassed is absurd. There were dozens of them. They could have talked to each other, played games, left and walked around the plaza, turned away. Whatever. They were not captive nor were they followed. The black guys didnt take one step towards the white group. So they were waiting for a bus. Do you think they wouldnt see the bus from a different spot on the plaza? Please.
If we're talking about the drumming group, I agree. The other racial abuse group you mentioned in the article...meh.. that could be harassment.
Immaterial. One person can harass a large group.
Why would they do that? They've come however far it is from wherever they're from to see DC. Racist nutters are far enough away to not matter, and old Indian dude has come over to play the drums for them. Why should they leave?
Um. So, apparently this whole kerfuffle is the kids fault because they didn't walk away. Is that your position? If so, the whole race thing is black peoples fault because they don't move back to Africa?
I mean, seriously, what is your point? That, if only the kids had walked away, the left wouldn't have been catastrophically humiliated by getting this incident so horribly wrong? I can't think of what else it could be. Those kids had every right to be there. They had every right to stay there. There is no video evidence that they acted either badly or abusively. But still, it's their fault for not walking away?
Here's what I think, John. For you, this is about the MAGA hats. No matter what factually happened, these kids are wrong because some of them were wearing MAGA hats. So, what you're doing is projecting your intolerance onto these kids. You just can't get past it. When you look at the situation, all you really see, all that matters to you are the hats. So, although you recognize that things aren't as they were first portrayed, you still keep on trying to find fault with the kids because of the hats.
It is ridiculous to claim the kids could have just walked away. That puts the blame on Mr. Phillips actions, something he should solely be responsible for, on the kids. Not having it.
First of all, I don't put much blame on Nathan Phillips. He walked into their group playing a song. There is no doubt whatsoever that he came in peace. He wanted to expose these kids to a pinch of his Native American point of view through his music and his ritual. I do think that a couple of his statements afterwards seem to be less than 100% accurate, but I don't really doubt that he had good intentions.
Second, we have people on the right claiming that these kids had been undergoing abuse therefore whatever reaction they had is excusable. I watched the entire black Israelite video and I really didnt see any abuse toward the kids. Yeah there were some black nutcases yelling racial slurs at them , which is certainly anti-social and unacceptable, but I wouldn't call it abuse. Is there a widespread history of racial animosity, racial hatred, race based laws and restrictions, open prejudice in employment, housing, or accommodations against whites in this country? How has the racial abuse of whites manifested itself through our history? Oh, not at all. ok.
There is not a viable comparison between "abuse" directed at whites and abuse that has been directed at racial minorities.
I have been suspended before for comments about MAGA supporters, so best to leave that alone.
If they arent embarrassed to death by now they probably never will be.
The country went off its rocker in Nov. of 2016. Now everybody is paying for it, particularly those innocent federal workers who just want to continue to make a meager living, and those families who have had a parent ripped away and sent to a country unfamiliar to them. The assertion that some jackass kid who proudly displays his smarmy Trumpiness for as many peers and cameras as he can get in front of being the point where things went sideways is patently ridiculous.
Long before that.
IF he had on "Hope and Change hat" 8 years ago and did the same thing, the reaction would have been all over Fox for days.
No much too appreciate in a face like that. (unless maybe you're president) LOL
Yep. Another day in 'a disjointed' America and through it all, Putin smiles.
The easiest way to weaken the fiber of a nation and its peoples is what is happening here and everywhere in this nation. It is obvious and Putin is smiling.
You comment makes no sense. Please clarify.
No. I will not 'clarify'. Putin smiles. Sanctions off the oligarch Deripaska.
Here is the deal the initial report was Racist white kids attack native american Vietnam Vet and everyone ate it up the 20 second video of kids standing around a "tribal elder". I knew this story had to be bullshit from the start so I didn't at all on it Saturday night. So I researched it Sunday and FFS imagine that more video.
My opinion is Nathan Phillips is a liar, he did not go over there to diffuse the situation he went over there to instigate it. The grown as Vietnam vet would have diffused the situation by confronting the instigators not going and beating his drum in the faces of 16 year olds.
Secondly Nathan Phillips comments are not supported by the video evidence.
We know this is a lie from video evidence.
We know this is a lie from video evidence.
He stated he knew what the BHI were saying but still defends them.
You know who's statement is supported by video evidence? The teen that the scared for his life Vietnam vet got in the face of with his drum while his companions berated the church group and told them to back to Europe.
I don't think this video gets it completely correct, but I think it gets it mainly correct.
I don't believe the students were as "innocent" as he makes them sound.
Turmoil At The Lincoln Memorial
Unfortunately this sort of thing happens way too often. Someone will try to intervene in a situation and they themselves end up part of the situation.
Last evening on the news here in Phoenix I saw two different incidents being reported on where people had tried to intervene and one is now sought-after by the authorities and the other is in jail.
Call 911 and let the trained professionals deal with this stuff is my advice.
IMO Nathan Phillips is lying about being a Vietnam war vet.
B Btry unit 15 was the last combat troops to leave Vietnam in August 1972. Some American troops (no combat troops) were still in Vietnam until they left in 1973.
At 64 years old now, Nathan Phillips would have possibly been 17 years old when the last US combat troops were leaving that country. He should point that out to a reporter. Nathan Phillips likes to talk about politics and race. How about some journalist finally asks him about his service in Marine Corps duty in Viet Nam?
Maybe he's not 64. Why are you pointlessly speculating? Is it fun?
The point is Phillips has a history of lying, he said the kids were chanting " Build the Wall" we all know that's a lie why should anyone believe anything he said about incident? Passing himself off as a Vietnam vet is despicable.
He's a toothless old man with nothing better to do that pound a drum in a public park. Now he's the center of national media attention.
He's confused, and he's probably scared. We're not talking about a rocket scientist here, and we're not talking about a professional media person.
IMO, we've got a very unsophisticated, slightly emotional old man, a very unsophisticated, slightly awkward teenage boy, and a bunch of media assholes trying to turn this utter non-event into advertising revenue.
There is a clear villain here, and it's not either of the guys on camera.
Why are so many of you so worried about the behavior of a peaceful Native American beating on a small drum when you are not at all worried about the behavior of the complete asshole you are happy to see running this country?
Anyone who complains about Nathan Phillips but supports Trump is a hypocrite to the extreme.
Why would you change this to a Trump discussion now?
TDS
Because his side is losing badly
I thought he started off pretty well. You know, with the whole "the media is misreporting this" and how we've got a national uproar about a kid standing in a park smiling at an old man...WTF??
I'm encouraged.
I'm still hopeful we'll see more of this open-minded kind of thing.
Morning..Sigh...Is there not room for all, in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave???? Hell the country is big enough, so surely you can avoid each other if necessary...One thing, at least it did not turn into an all in brawl...
Exactly.
The molehills we choose to make into mountains. Good grief.
I think the importance of this fact cannot be overstated. I think you had two guys who could not be less similar to each other, who found themselves in a situation for which neither was prepared or had any clue how to handle.
One guy played a drum.
One guy smiled.
The end.
Hardly seems like the national emergency it's being made out to be.
Morning Jack..Yes was on TV here as well and thought slow news day..Really...All the crap going on in the world and this is "it"....For goodness sake it is each to their own..Respect each others points of view and don't ram it down anyone else's throat...That way, we will all get along...
I think they are both trying to put their spin on the situation.
I think they are both being unjustly attacked and responding the best way they know how.
The "Left" ABUSES/USES Kids for an agenda …… AGAIN !
Who knew ! (facepalm face)
I do luv this "They were ALL wrong" thingy !
NO...….the "Indians" and the "Black Hebrews" were fucking WRONG.....but throw the kids in there. That "School Cheer" of theirs must have pissed someone off.....FOR SURE !