Democrats Have A Choice: Vote For The Wall Or Against Extending the Violence Against Women Act
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Tuesday, the Senate GOP released a plan to reopen the federal government in the form of the “End the Shutdown and Secure the Border Act.”
The 1300-plus page bill includes President Donald J. Trump’s proposed $5.7 billion for a wall at the southern border, as well as $12.7 billion in disaster aid, and to reform the U.S. immigration system.
But the bill includes another provision which will likely cause headaches among the Democratic Party.
“Senate GOP bill to reopen gov’t includes extension of the Violence Against Women Act through Sept 30 that expired on December 22, 2018, the first day of the gov’t shutdown,” reported CSPAN’s Craig Caplan.
The Democrats now have to choose which is more important: extending the Violence Against Women Act, or letting it expire in order to deny Trump his big beautiful wall.
The Act, which focuses efforts on prosecuting violent crimes against women and imposes mandatory restitution for those convicted of such crimes, as well as civil redress in un-prosecuted cases of violence against women, expired on Dec. 21 due to the government shutdown.
The law prevents cross-examination of the victim of a sexual crime about his or her past sexual history.
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Who let the Violence Against Women Act expire Xx?
I'll give you a hint. Go look up who was in the Majority of BOTH Houses of Congress on Dec. 22, 2018.
The CR, passed by voice vote in the Senate included an extension for the act. Ryan refused to bring the CR to the floor without Amendment.
The bills passed by the House included an extension of the Violence Against Women Act. McConnell refused to bring those bills to the floor for a vote.
I can't help but wonder why you think that extending the Violence Against Women Act is the sole responsibility of the Democrats. Though I doubt that party affiliation is part of the data, I think that conservative women are effected with their share of violence.
So perhaps you can cogently explain why the GOP shouldn't be held equally responsible if the act doesn't get extended.
I really can't believe you posted that. The Violence Against Women Act DID NOT expire - just the funding for the programs. Same thing happened in 2011, but most funding was found and then the Act, itself, was "reauthorized", meaning the Act was still on the books and now it's been given another booster shot.
Interesting that the reauthorization for funding was brought up in the summer and Ryan didn't bring it to the floor for voting. The reason??? The Dems had a gun-related provision that could prove to be a poison pill for any action in the GOP-led House. The Democratic proposal would expand firearms laws to ensure that partners under protective orders or convicted of dating violence or stalking are prohibited from having a gun. Stupid move - possibly a good idea, but not the timing.
Gee 1st, I wonder why you didn't bring that up to Xx since his seed states that is DID 'expire' more than once.
Kind of double standard there buddy...
Quite frankly, don't read his comments - nor comments from many others. But, yours? I like
Well it's in the SEED, just sayin'
You gonna screw up your rep 1st.
So now it's shut down the government and beat up the women folk to get his way.
MAGA !
lol
no
sad !
Pawns, We're all just pawns.
The act had expired. The Senate is reviving it and providing billions in needed disaster relief as well as reopening government. Basically over time the democrats will be voting against most all of their achievable priorities for the next two years as we are prepared to make them forfeit all of them if that’s what it takes. They take away our wall from us, we simply take away everything from them.
What an attitude for making a country great. And what Bull Shit, in exchange for a Wall that border portal doesn't want you and the president are willing to put millions of our more vulnerable citizens at risk. I'll tell ya want IF that is Your new Great America, ya can shove it. Fast and hard !
Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 - Public Law No: 113-4 (03/07/2013)
XX or whatever name you're going by now - the above act DID NOT EXPIRE . There are several sections of the Act pertaining to funding and grants that expired in 2017 and some that expired in 2018. Congress had a deadline to extend the Debbie Smith Act (VAWRA2013) of 31 December 2018. Shelia Jackson Lee proposed funding documents, but Ryan refused to bring them up for vote/discussion because they contained caveats regarding gun control.
Please get your facts straight before posting on something as important as this Act. Thanks.
Democrats have 2 choices: Vote for the Wall now, or vote for the Wall later to try to salvage their chances of re-election. Remember how they handled the Kavanaugh hearings, since it is what caused them to lose the Senate seats that they lost. The GOP lost the House because of their lack of backbone to stand up FOR Trump and pass his entire agenda. If the Democrats hadn't tried to railroad Kavanaugh with unproven and in many cases perjured accusations of sexual assault against him and just let him get confirmed; they would have won the Senate as well due to McConnell not standing up FOR Trump and changing the rules to allow just a straight majority vote.
The legislation is DOA because of the wall funding. Anything else is irrelevant. Put up a clean government opening legislation instead of trying to load them with pork.
We are literally prepared to deny the democrats all of their priorities for the next two years over the wall. Infrastructure, min wage, whatever. While the government may one day reopen no democrat initiative will ever pass unless the wall funding is attached to it. I wonder if the Dems would sacrifice Rx reform if getting it meant wall funding too.
Learn the concept of "defense in depth" and read my comment in #4.1. Frankly, anyone who doesn't support the wall is in fact not looking out for their own self-interest. Let me point out something to you, in Clark County Washington, there is a Measles outbreak due to a lack of immunization. We know that diseases like Smallpox, Tuberculosis, Measles, and Mumps are on the rise due to illegal immigrants coming into the country without any sort of vaccinations. TB (Tuberculosis) and Smallpox were eradicated within this country until just recently. Immigrants need to be processed and need to be checked for these diseases before being allowed entry. That alone should be reason enough to build the wall, so as to guide the immigrants to the ports of entry where they can be treated. However, you want to keep an open border and doom many people without vaccinations to getting diseases that were once eliminated.
Go for it and hang the party's survival on the wall. The GOP had 2 years to fund the wall when they controlled Congress and didn't, but now it is a national emergency to build Trump's monument to himself that is not supported by Republicans from the border region.
The problem with the diseases is not because of immigrants but because of stupid anti-vaxxers.
LOL This may end up backfiring and cost trump his sought after second term. The "game"has changed, the republicans no longer control the whole government. The half he no longer controls could effectively turn him into almost a lame duck two years before the next election.
As the president perhaps he should learn how to work with others, LOL Unless he has another country that will welcome a dictatorship.
President Trump wants a wall along the border with Mexico.
Career officials at the agencies most involved in the process, however, are set to recommend a fence.
In truth the resurgence is partially due to folks thinking they know more than the medical community and refuse to immunize their children. By the by I do not believe that germs are deterred by a wall, what you really need is a moat.
We DO? Do you have a link to support your claim?
BTFW, if 'unvaccinated illegal immigrants' were the cause of the outbreak, why isn't there a TB (Tuberculosis) and Smallpox outbreak in TX?
I haven't noticed CBP or ICE agents wearing masks and latex gloves during 'apprehensions'. Nor have I seen any of the workers at the detention centers doing so. So are you claiming that Trump's DHS and ORR are putting their employees in danger and allowing them to spread disease to their communities?
Fearmongering shouldn't be a reason for policy making.
BTW tom, the Oregonlive has a very good article on the measles outbreak. Note that there is NO TB or smallpox outbreak in Clark County, WA.
Ya tom, it's all about 'illegal immigrants'. /s
Then I guess nothing will happen over the next 2 years.
They won't be blackmailed into passing it so trump can get his fucking precious wall. He reminds me of Golem from Lord of the Rings with his precious wall.
Okay, why do gated communities have walls? Why do we have fences and walls around our military bases? Why do many businesses and prisons have walls and fences? They are not there to demark the property lines.
In the case of the military base fences, they are there to 1) stop people from just walking or driving onto the base without permission, and 2) prevent people from wandering into dangerous areas like training ranges.
For businesses, the walls and fences are there to keep people out and prevent them from accessing company secrets as physical access is the primary means of stealing company secrets and personal information of employees.
For gated communities, the walls are there to help protect people's homes from would be thieves.
For prisons, they are there to keep people out and keep prisoners in.
The border wall would be there to help direct people to ports of entry so they can be properly processed, to prevent them from just entering the country, and to prevent them from wandering into dangerous areas where there may not be any food or water.
Or the better question, why are you asking about shit that has ZERO to do with a southern border wall?
The studies done showing the extreme cost for very little return aren't about prison fencing, or even "gated community" fencing, which in virtually every gated community I've seen would take about 2 minutes to hop over, and many only have "gates" at the road entry points since it's almost exclusively to keep out thieves and burglars in vehicles, not on foot.
A southern border wall is a multi-billion dollar boondoggle, pure and simple. It is nothing more than a xenophobic fantasy at the expense of the American people, the majority of whom DO NOT support a southern border wall.
" 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border" 12/21/2018
You can post polls all day long; and they still don't mean a damn thing.
They aren't accurate; they are biased; and are only intended to appease the sheeple they are slanted towards. Or do you want to revisit all of the polls from the Trump/Hillary election again? They were so inaccurate the pollsters had to dig months into finding out why. They could saved time and money if they just admitted they were adjusted to try and suppress the vote for Trump. Hillary in a land slide in both the national vote and electoral college. Trump supporters should just stay home; as he has no chance of winning.
Funny how the Dems were for increasing the fence and border security before Trump took office; now their more radical members want no walls/fence; no border patrol; and no ICE. They need to get their own damn house in order.
My goodness, I had no idea you could lie with such a straight face. The Democrats were for border security before, and they are still for border security and just increased the amount they're willing to give for border security, it's just never been for a "wall" and never will be.
Paranoia?
Cite a 'gated' community or a military base that has a WALL around it tom.
Then the bottom line is that the democrats will preside over a do nothing congress as we will link anything and everything they want to achieve to it so that the democrats who are so adamant against the wall get nothing at all without it. No infrastructure bill will come up without it for sure at the least. We know how much Chuck wants his tunnel to manhattan. Not a chance in heck w/o the wall and he knows it.
Trump and the republicans will get no wall, end of story. Blackmail won't work. And they will be blamed not the democrats.
Then Pelosi , Schumer and democrats will get nothing the next two years. In reality soon moderate democrats and moderate Republicans will come up with a compromise that includes some reforms for immigrants benefit, some disaster relief, and some wall funding while reopening the government. The fact that Trump and the Senate are offering solutions where everyone gets something will not go unnoticed by the public at large.
"The Wall" came about because Trump has no intellectual depth. He is unable to understand, much less discuss, complex things like immigration or border security polices so Roger Stone and political consultant Sam Nunberg came up with "The Wall" as a mnemonic device for Trump to use since he's incapable of anything else.
In other words, "The Wall" was never meant to be more than smoke Trump was blowing up the minority of Americans who believe him.
Expert studies show that the concept of a wall from the Pacific to the Gulf is as stupid as...., well just plan stupid.
Why the Wall Won't Work | Cato Institute
A Wall Is an Impractical, Expensive, and Ineffective Border Plan - Cato Institute
New Cato Report: A Border Wall Won’t Stop Drug Smuggling—Marijuana Legalization Has - Cato Institute
The Cost of the Border Wall Keeps Climbing and It’s Becoming Less of a Wall - Cato Institute
To Build the Wall, Trump Might Make Thousands of Americans Suffer - Cato Institute
Nancy and her party hold the morale and intellectual high ground on this matter.
Trump shutting down the Government to extort money for his impractical, costly, vanity project is dead wrong and should not be condoned or given into.
If the GOP cares so much about protecting women then why are they using the renewal as a partisan bargaining chip to get Trump's wall?
They don't care. The fact that they would use things like that and even disaster aid as some sort of tool just to build a wall shows exactly where their priorities lie.
And it is not with the people.
It is just them thinking they will have a partisan moment and tell everyone look what the Democrats wouldn't vote for.
Pathetic.
What is pathetic is that democrats will vote against Virtually everything they want to achieve the next two years and keep 800,000 out of work or without pay as long as it takes to make sure that Trump and his voters don’t get the border barriers they seek. We aren’t the pathetic ones here.... no DACA, no PTC, no new immigration judges, no humanitarian aid for immigrants, no new technology to interdict illegal drug trafficking at ports of entry, no additional border patrol agents, no13 billion in disaster relief, no renewal of violence against women protection law, all so that Pelosi and Reid can deny Trump the keeping of a campaign promise. Seems quite petty to me.
Trump shut down the government and he was proud to do so, it's ALL on HIM
Neither do the Dems. Have you seen them bring the bill forward in the House? It should be their top priority since they aren't negotiating on the budget.
Why were the Dems so willing to trade money for the wall on DACA; and then suddenly not? It wasn't just Trump that ended the negotiations. Seems the Dems, like their liberal judges, think an EO is the same thing as law. It will be up to the Supreme Court to educate both that it is not.
Too bad both sides are terrorists; don't sell the Dems short. 5.7 billion in the budget is nothing; and since when did either side ever care about pork? Unless it was to give the other party a black eye that is.
Again:
It's 5.7 billion dollars the president said we would never spend. He said Mexico would build his wall. WTF happened ?
Negotiate with that....LOL
Hard to negotiate when ya start with a total lie.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is the American public that will get nothing over the next two years. You just blew your MAGA nonsense to hell, America is all of us not only them.
You may want to review the concept of 'germane' Xx. It's part of the rules of both Houses of Congress.
Democrats just don't get it.....
The republicans in the senate have set them up to fail. They have put just about every democrats wet dream of legislation into this bill to get them to approve it.
And they swear they are going to vote it down....
Billions of dollars for everything they want, dreamers a path to citizenship? check; Huge infrastructure projects they want for their constituents? check; Disaster aid? check; Violence against women? check;
I'm told there is much more also..... yet we get any bill with any provision for a border wall is DOA.....
One single minor issue..... I wonder if all those constituent groups who desperately want and need all those things will like that.....
They just don't get it...... they have been outsmarted again....
Their only issue is hate T-rump..... Hate conservatives........
Hell they may get lucky, as long as most of their constituents remain brainless and reject their most treasured wants/needs.......
One thing is for sure, the Democrats are over a barrel, a barrel of their own making.......
Your post is so well stated. McConnell can load up Trumps compromise proposal with so many other things democrat interest groups say they want and do so repeatedly with any combination of incentives that the democrats can’t vote against without looking bad to their constituents who want those things done and won’t be satisfied with well we couldn’t deliver what we promised or what you wanted because stopping Trumps wall at all costs is more important to us than you are.
because stopping Trump's wall at all costs is LESS important to us than you or the country is.
see how I fixed it for ya ? You're welcome
Again:
It's 5.7 billion dollars the president said we would never spend. He said Mexico would build his wall. WTF happened ?
Negotiate with that....LOL
Hard to negotiate when ya start with a total lie.
Add in that what trump wants is permanent and what he offers is temporary once again and Ya Gotta to be Joking.
yea, well i say they tap that "barrel"
and have a damn KEG PARTY
and celebrate the beginning of the end of the
traitorous treasonous for know real reasonous
party, known as the GOP.
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Putins' little Pu$$y grabber in Chief,
is soon gonna get the Prostituted Relief,
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a thunderous
lightning quick
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cause the easily manipulated, lock stock and
tapped barrel,
keep cumming up with foam,
and a bunch of girgling,
and as the cops finally show up, to end the juvenile party of denial,
we'll find,
more than Trumppy , the prostetic sportin refuse to slow down always Russian prostitutes, and the PATHETIC Republican good ole Party,
will be KAPUT
.
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at least,
the Russian Prostitutes will be Relieved,
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Trump has all the gravitas of a teething toddler...
Build the wall reopen the government in that order.
"the current 600 miles of fence we put up which took over 6 years to construct. So if we were to put up a wall in that same 600 miles you are looking at 12 to 18 years to constuct, and most likely the wall would be longer than 600 miles and is estimated at 900 miles so that definitely puts it closer to the 18 year estimate."
And that's for the current fence, not a metal slat wall which would take much longer.
We should all have seen this coming. This is essentially what many Norquist Republicans have been wishing for, they have wanted this for decades as their ideological leader Grover once said "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."
These Republicans want to reap the rewards of a stable government, strong military, and safe communities giving them the privileges they believe they deserve while at the same time they're trying to slit its throat.
Republicans have stabbed our government and 800,000 federal employees in the back and are standing there whistling, looking anywhere but the blood puddle pooling at their feet. If they get a wall out of it they'll just consider that a bonus, their main goal is to kill the goose they feel is laying golden eggs for everyone but them.
You'll get your fucking wall when Mexico pays for it.
Simply considering the premise of this seed/story/op-ed, the choice offered is not a choice. Because there isn't any choice to be chosen. This is on Trump. The choice is his. He wants a wall. The question to be determined is 'why is this the most important item to him?