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Greenpeace Founding Member: 'The Whole Climate Crisis Is Not Only Fake News, It's Fake Science'

  

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Via:  make-america-great-again  •  6 years ago  •  64 comments

Greenpeace Founding Member: 'The Whole Climate Crisis Is Not Only Fake News, It's Fake Science'
"In fact, the whole climate crisis as they call it is not only fake news, it’s fake science. There is no climate crisis," Moore, author of the book Confessions of a Greenpeace Drop-Out: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist, told "Fox & Friends" Tuesday morning. "There is weather and climate all around the world. And, in fact, carbon dioxide is the main building block of all life,"

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On Tuesday morning, Patrick Moore, a founding member of the environmentalist organization Greenpeace, slammed climate alarmists for promoting a fake emergency. President Donald Trump tweeted Moore's remarks shortly after he made them.

"In fact, the whole climate crisis as they call it is not only fake news, it’s fake science. There is no climate crisis," Moore, author of the book Confessions of a Greenpeace Drop-Out: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist , told "Fox & Friends" Tuesday morning.

"There is weather and climate all around the world. And, in fact, carbon dioxide is the main building block of all life," Moore said. "That’s where the carbon comes from in carbon-based life, which is all life on land and in the sea. And not only that, a little bit of warming would not be a bad thing for myself being a Canadian and the people in Russia wouldn’t mind a little couple of degrees warmer either."

The Greenpeace founding member did not deny that climate change is real, but he insisted that it is not a crisis.

"Yes, of course, climate change is real. It’s been happening since the beginning of time. But it’s not dangerous and it’s not made by people," Moore insisted.

What is climate change, if it's not a man-made imminent crisis? "Climate change is a perfectly natural phenomenon and this modern warm period actually began about 300 years ago when Little Ice Age began to come to an end," he explained. "There is nothing to be afraid of."

As for the alarmists, "that’s all they are doing is instilling fear. Most of the scientists who are saying it’s a crisis are on perpetual government grants."

Yet there is a fundamental contradiction between their claims, Moore insisted. "On one hand they say the science is settled and people like myself should just shut up because they know what’s right. On the other hand, they seem to keep studying it forever as if there is something new to find out. And those two things are completely contradictory," he said.

The Greenpeace founding member even argued that "carbon dioxide is actually a benefit to the world." He promoted the CO2 Coalition, which believes "that carbon dioxide is entirely beneficial to both the environment, to agriculture and forestry and to the climate of the Earth."

If Patrick Moore believes in carbon dioxide as a benefit to the climate, how could he have helped found Greenpeace? He argued that it was the organization that changed from its original mission, not him.

"I was one of the founders doing a Ph.D. in the late '60s, early '70s in ecology. I was radicalized by the Cold War and the threat of all-out nuclear war and the emerging consciousness of the environment and we did a lot of good things," he recalled. "We stopped nuclear testing in Alaska. We have stopped it in the South Pacific. We saved the whales. And we stopped a lot of toxic waste being put into the ocean. And the air."


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

"Yes, of course, climate change is real. It’s been happening since the beginning of time. But it’s not dangerous and it’s not made by people," Moore insisted.

What is climate change, if it's not a man-made imminent crisis? "Climate change is a perfectly natural phenomenon and this modern warm period actually began about 300 years ago when Little Ice Age began to come to an end," he explained. "There is nothing to be afraid of."

As for the alarmists, "that’s all they are doing is instilling fear. Most of the scientists who are saying it’s a crisis are on perpetual government grants."

Yet there is a fundamental contradiction between their claims, Moore insisted. "On one hand they say the science is settled and people like myself should just shut up because they know what’s right. On the other hand, they seem to keep studying it forever as if there is something new to find out. And those two things are completely contradictory," he said.

The Greenpeace founding member even argued that "carbon dioxide is actually a benefit to the world." He promoted the CO2 Coalition, which believes "that carbon dioxide is entirely beneficial to both the environment, to agriculture and forestry and to the climate of the Earth."

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

Greenpeace was formed in January of 1970 as "Don't Make a Wave".  The name was changed to Greenpeace in 1972.

He was aboard the boats that stopped nuclear testing in Alaska in 1972 and a save the whales campaign in 1975.

Moore joined the group in 1971 and was quickly accepted into the inner circles of leadership

and was aboard when they incorporated Greenpeace Canada in 1975 so there is some confusion as to what  constitutes a founding member.  Although he may feel that he was integral to the early success of Greenpeace, Greenpeace strongly disagrees.

Moore left the group in 1986 and quickly became a sworn enemy, eventually becoming an energy policy advisor at The Heritage Foundation.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @1.2    6 years ago

The Heritage Foundation and The Heartland Institute are much preferable to the pseudoscience at Greenpeace.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.1    6 years ago

The Heritage foundation is a modern model of worthless capitalism which creates nothing but opinion and sells that opinion to the great delight of a few dozen people at the Heritage Foundation who like

Rev Caldwell and Rev Osteen laugh all the way to the bank every week thanking their "god" for the sheeples who enrich them.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.2    6 years ago

The Heritage Foundation is a great American think tank and research organization.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.3    6 years ago

It is the ultimate American Capitalist Bullshit

It produces no tangible product and yet makes money by pandering to the fears and hatred of many people.

Kudos for whoever came up with this scheme.

They launder 100 million a year and pay the current CEO quite well.

(FYE 12/2016)

Compensation % of Expenses Paid to Title
$1,127,540 1.38% James W. Demint President
Other Salaries of Note
$195,265 0.23% Edwin J. Feulner Jr. Former President

I hope you contribute to these asses as well.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

Hard to believe that with all of the hard data and empirical evidence of anthropogenic global warming and climate change that the Heartland Institute is still spending money on their longstanding war on science. Their decades long disinformation campaigns at the behest of the fossil fuel and tobacco industries will hopefully, sooner than later, come back to bite them hard in the ass. 

Has to be getting pretty lonely out there for the small handful of science deniers still left.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @1.3    6 years ago

I stand proud and tall with them and in total defiance of the so called self labeled  pro science as defined elsewhere and mock them and those who would censor differing opinion to their faces.  We shall see what the Presidential commission has to say once it has been formed.  Global warming is a hoax and man dominated climate change is a fraud.  Eco freakery is simply socialism by other means.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.2  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3.1    6 years ago

It's a given what a Presidential Commission will determine when it is picked by Trump/supporters who do not believe in it.

You continue to misuse the word socialism in the oddest possible ways.

Next we'll have Trump appoint Ken Hamm to "get to the bottom " of evolution.............

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XXJefferson51
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2  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

oh No!  It’s pseudoscience on the attack!   Let’s bash Green Peace now for departing from so called pro science orthodoxy.  Of course the gentleman in the seeded article is correct. Bring on the censors!  

 
 
 
Don Overton
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2.1  Don Overton  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    6 years ago

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Cerenkov
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3  Cerenkov    6 years ago

He ignorance is vast and Moore was good to point it out.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Cerenkov @3    6 years ago
He ignorance is vast

Truer words have never been spoken in this male dominated world. And yes, the "He ignorance" definitely extends to this guy Moore and most of the ignorant Fox viewers.

"Yes, of course, climate change is real." True.

" It’s been happening since the beginning of time." Also true.

" But it’s not dangerous and it’s not made by people," (insert Price-is-Right losing game sound here).

Higher sea levels will displace millions, longer droughts will put food supplies at risk. Heat waves, heavy downpours and sea level rise pose growing challenges to many aspects of life. Infrastructure, agriculture, fisheries and ecosystems will be increasingly compromised.  Changes in the timing of stream flow reduce water supplies for competing demands. Sea level rise, erosion, inundation, risks to infrastructure and increasing ocean acidity pose major threats. Increasing wildfire, insect outbreaks and tree diseases are causing widespread tree die-off. Declining water supplies, reduced agricultural yields, health impacts in cities due to heat, and flooding and erosion in coastal areas are additional concerns.

His comment was like listening to a kid give a school presentation about oranges where he states...

"Oranges are orange in color. They are a fruit and contain vitamin C. They only grow on the moon which is why they are so difficult to harvest...".

Good start, terrible finish.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1    6 years ago

When will Al Gore sell his coastal mansion he bought after warning of rising sea levels that would some day flood it?  

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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3.1.3  Cerenkov  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1    6 years ago

Juvenile.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Cerenkov @3.1.3    6 years ago
Juvenile.

Ah, that explains a lot. I'll try to use smaller words then to increase probably comprehension.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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3.1.6  Cerenkov  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.5    6 years ago

Exactly. I didn't hire a spell checker. He should look for other work.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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3.1.8  Cerenkov  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.7    6 years ago

[delete]

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Cerenkov @3    6 years ago

Moore is right and the other position on the issue is that of fear mongering ignorance.  

 
 
 
lib50
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4  lib50    6 years ago

Moore lied about being a founder of Greenpeace, and has been part of nuclear energy, mining, and other energy companies, he's a consulting hack.  Who gets paid to promote their bs.  What else does he lie about?  

After he left Greenpeace, Moore began work with the Nuclear Energy Institute front group, the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition (CASEnergy). Moore stepped down from his leadership role at CASEnergy in January 2013, however [he said that he] would remain an active member.

Moore has worked for the mining industry, the logging industry, PVC manufacturers, the nuclear industry, and in defense of biotechnology. In October 2008, Greenpeace issued a statement distancing itself from Moore, saying he “exploits long gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.”

Moore has been criticized for his relations with “polluters and clear-cutters” through his consultancy. His primary income since the early 1990s has [come from] consulting and publicly speaking for a variety of corporations and lobby groups such as the Nuclear Energy Institute. As of 2014, Moore was also listed as a board member of NextEnergy, a Canadian energy services company.
 
 
 
Don Overton
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4.1  Don Overton  replied to  lib50 @4    6 years ago

All that doesn't mean anything to the climate ignorants.  Wish it would.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Don Overton @4.1    6 years ago

All hail the wise and awesome Heartland Institute.  

 
 
 
Don Overton
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4.1.3  Don Overton  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.1    6 years ago

Maybe you should bow to people who actually know the truth insead of the lies

 
 
 
Don Overton
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4.1.4  Don Overton  replied to    6 years ago

It's called google wally as you've been directed to over and over

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.1.5  cjcold  replied to    6 years ago
Can you show us some this "science"?

You could always go to the NASA, NOAA, USGS, NSIDC, NAS, web sites and learn from the experts.

By the way, yes I am a environmental scientist who specializes in climate. What are your credentials? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Don Overton @4.1.3    6 years ago

No one lies about climate change and mans role in it more than Dave Van Zandt.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @4.1.5    6 years ago

The President of the United States 🇺🇸 of America is appointing a commission to investigate this issue.  We will abide by their findings.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.7    6 years ago
is appointing a commission to investigate this issue.  We will abide by their findings.  

We've already had dozens of commissions investigating the issue and they all come back with the same answer, yes, climate is changing at a faster pace than ever observed before and human activity has sped it up and continues to do so. So just admit it, no matter how many times climate scientists come back with a conclusion, you're not going to "abide by their findings" unless they tell you what you want to hear. You've already made up your mind about climate change and are just looking for data that confirms your bias while rejecting any data that conflicts with it.

 
 
 
zuksam
Junior Silent
6  zuksam    6 years ago

While I don't believe it's a Crisis I do believe Global Warming Climate Change is real and is caused by man. I think Overpopulation is the real Crisis, the Climate is going to change whether we cause it or it happens naturally just as it has many times in the past, it's just our Overpopulation that makes it harder to deal with. The Overpopulation is destroying the world in hundreds of different ways the least of which is Global Warming. Lets stop crying about the symptoms and address the cause, STOP OVERPOPULATION NOW !

 
 

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